2022 Election
BTW. Sorry i made a mistake above, its actually much better than i painted.
Those numbers of staff were for Refugees only, expect less now with less refugees but this is from 2018 so relevant to period of medivac.
"As at 30 November 2018, there are 61 contracted health professionals, including 29 mental health professionals providing services to refugees, asylum seekers and non-refugees on Nauru.
This is a ratio of approximately one health care professional to every eight refugees, asylum seekers or non-refugees and one mental health professional to every 17 refugees, asylum seekers or non-refugees.
Refugees, asylum seekers and non-refugees can also access health services through the Republic of Nauru Hospital.
When essential health care is not available in Nauru, specialists provide visiting clinics across a range of clinical needs, for example orthopaedics, ophthalmology, gastroenterology, gynaecology and optometry. Medical transfers to a third country may also be considered, including to Australia. The Department has a decision making framework to consider medical transfers to Australia which includes the advice of a Medical Officer of the Commonwealth. Transfers for medical treatment are considered on a case by case basis and no one is denied health care."
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/news-subsite/Pages/2018-Dec/statement%20o...
And
"Manus PNG
The Government’s contracted health services provider, Pacific International Hospital, delivers health care to refugees, asylum seekers and non-refugees in Manus Island, PNG, from a clinic based at the East Lorengau Refugee Transit Centre. After-hours healthcare is also available at the East Lorengau Hospital (the local hospital). Healthcare is delivered by medical officers, primary care nurses, paramedics, laboratory technicians, mental health nurses, psychiatrists, radiologists, general nurses and emergency trained medical officers.
Pacific International Hospital maintain a 24-hour emergency medical evacuation capability. Refugees or asylum seekers or non-refugees who require specialist services not available at the East Lorengau Transit Centre Clinic may be referred to the local hospital or to Port Moresby to receive additional clinically indicated healthcare.
Where appropriate health care isn’t available in PNG, medical transfers to a third country are considered, including to Australia. The Department has a decision making framework to consider medical transfers which includes the advice of a Medical Officer of the Commonwealth. Transfers for medical treatment are considered on a case by case basis and no one is denied health care."
Now this is pretty funny https://twitter.com/kirstywebeck/status/1521335427671617536?s=21&t=L6zrcy0Z2iBXwihRyJveow
Scotty's talk about shields today got me revisiting my childhood....
Apologies to Batfink.
Indo clutching at Nauru. Cringe.
Disturbing show of character, pretty unsettling.
AndyM wrote:Disturbing show of character, pretty unsettling.
Nothing new though. Your’s & others genuine attempts to engage with him are admiral but seriously, Indo is playing you blokes like a fiddle.
Roy Morgan 3/5/22
The ALP has increased its lead in Victoria; the ALP on 63.5% (+3.5% pts) ahead of the L-NP on 36.5% (-3.5% pts). The result represents a swing of 10.4% points to the ALP in Victoria since the 2019 Federal Election ………. Indo D is clearly not reaching enough people in Victoria and needs to broaden his campaign voice. Josh needs you Indo 
The COALition is drifting (price getting longer) while Labor are shortening..
COALition..
The LNP fluffers are out whipping up a storm.
National press club debate today at 12.30….Jim Chalmers VS Josh Frydenburg…probably a more important watch than Morro and Albo….a fair chance that they will both know their numbers better.
@indo Here is a really good paper from UNSW that clearly summarises how offshore refugee processing and medevac law works. I find it sickening that a rich and developed country can design such a scheme. What's also more disturbing is that it's carried out during prosperous and stable times, when we can easily finance a much better system. I can only imagine what would happen in times of real crisis. Unfortunately, I had to witness a situation in my life where yesterday's good neighborhood citizens turn into tomorrow's savages and animals. I wish it never happens here but if it does, the last thing we need is an infrastructure to go 10X with savagery.
Somehow, a big chunk of Australia's population thinks it's ok to freight people into a remote and isolated island location and then keep them there with force. They think it's ok for the government to fight more than 50 medical evacuation cases (as recommended by doctors) in the federal court despite the federal court of Australia deciding that Australia has a duty of care towards these people in 2016 (from the article below).
Same thinking as locking our own citizens out of the country during Covid while celebrating victories. Embarrassing. We can do so much better.
I'm not coming at this from some LNP hating angle. I will be the first to admit that I like some of their pro-business and taxation schemes and policies. But I worked hard to abandon all ideology from my life and analyse policies on a case-by-case basis. And I find the whole offshore scheme sickening to death.
https://www.kaldorcentre.unsw.edu.au/publication/medevac-law-medical-tra...
Fliplid wrote:The LNP fluffers are out whipping up a storm.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when dimwits like Chris Kenny, Paul Murray, etc sit down in the war room for the week and go "righto boys what should we run with this week?? Maybe a story on fake politicians destroying Australia". And Newscorp pays them for this and certain parts of the population lap it up. Politicians keep telling us "Australians aren't stupid" with regards to politics but really that's all relative to how high you set the bar.
"Ditch the witch(es)" v2.0
Seems they're a bigger threat to democracy than reds under the beds
What about the Nationals "independents"?
A vote for the Liberals is a vote for the Nationals and their running rogue independents Joyce, Canavan, McKenzie, Pitt etc etc
Fred was a true "moderate" Liberal. He was my minister for a few years, meet him many many times, a good bloke. He has nothing good to say about the current Liberal Party and their drift to the far right
https://www.theage.com.au/national/i-was-deputy-leader-of-the-liberals-t...
GuySmiley wrote:Fred was a true "moderate" Liberal. He was my minister for a few years, meet him many many times, a good bloke. He has nothing good to say about the current Liberal Party and their drift to the far right
https://www.theage.com.au/national/i-was-deputy-leader-of-the-liberals-t...
Pretty hard to take this guy seriously when he is voting for Climate-2000 and niece is running for them.
Im sure if you asked Mark Latham he would say similar things about Labor moving too far left.
The better question to ask, has the LNP been as far to the left as they have in recent history?
Has a LNP government ever spent so much on social related policy as during Covid?
Has a LNP government every spent so much and had so much policy on an environmental issue as climate change?
Have they ever been as diverse in gender and ethnicity? (even have an Aboriginal person in Ken Wyatt, the first Indigenous Australian to hold the Indigenous portfolio, although they did have the first Indigenous member of parliament too way back in 1971, so not a huge surprise)
I think all the answers to those questions is no.
I actually see a lot of criticism of LNP and Scomo on conservative social media saying they have gone too far left because of all the social spending during Covid and Climate change policy and carbon free goal by 2050
Pauline Hanson is even doing some campaign not preferenceing left leaning LNP members in some seats.
I personally think LNP have a pretty good balance now, but I'm generally not a fan of the National's influence.
Some people shouldn't be in the LNP though like Turbull he is way too far left.
Unless I sound totally brain dead, lobotomised or in some drug induced deep coma I don't a flying fuck about anything you have to say on any topic @info so fuck off. Latham and Hanson talking about the brain dead!
The fact that once highly successful and long standing Liberal moderates cannot support the current party says volumes - none would even get preselected these days such the ongoing move to far right (Fred's article further supports my theory that there will be a nuclear shitfight inside the LNP after the impeding electoral whitewash ensuring at least a decade in the political wilderness).
indo-dreaming wrote:I actually see a lot of criticism of LNP and Scomo on conservative social media saying they have gone too far left because of all the social spending during Covid and Climate change policy and carbon free goal by 2050
Say what, you're joking right!?
indo-dreaming wrote:I actually see a lot of criticism of LNP and Scomo on conservative social media saying they have gone too far left because of all the social spending during Covid and Climate change policy and carbon free goal by 2050.
Much of the criticism I see (mainly IPA and Sky) doesn't accuse Morrison of being left wing but as someone without principle; that he operates without an over-arching vision for the country and the only thing that matters is retaining power.
He has to spend public money to do it, but that doesn't make him left wing.
stunet wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:I actually see a lot of criticism of LNP and Scomo on conservative social media saying they have gone too far left because of all the social spending during Covid and Climate change policy and carbon free goal by 2050.
Much of the criticism I see (mainly IPA and Sky) doesn't accuse Morrison of being left wing but as someone without principle; that he operates without an over-arching vision for the country and the only thing that matters is retaining power.
He has to spend public money to do it, but that doesn't make him left wing.
No, that makes him a criminal and a traitor.
Craig wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:I actually see a lot of criticism of LNP and Scomo on conservative social media saying they have gone too far left because of all the social spending during Covid and Climate change policy and carbon free goal by 2050
Say what, you're joking right!?
No, this is unfortunately true. There's quite a few people who think like this.
GuySmiley wrote:Unless I sound totally brain dead, lobotomised or in some drug induced deep coma I don't a flying fuck about anything you have to say on any topic @info so fuck off. Latham and Hanson talking about the brain dead!
The fact that once highly successful and long standing Liberal moderates cannot support the current party says volumes - none would even get preselected these days such the ongoing move to far right (Fred's article further supports my theory that there will be a nuclear shitfight inside the LNP after the impeding electoral whitewash ensuring at least a decade in the political wilderness).
Okay so in other words you have no counter argument against my points on why LNP are more left leaning than ever if anything..
Come on buddy if it is really true provide evidence of this LNP move to the "cough cough" far right????
Where is this evidence???
All the evidence is against your weak narrative as I've pointed out with three seperate points with actually evidence rather than just opinion.
Some opinion of an X Liberal from almost 30 years ago that is clearly very left leaning voting for Climate 2000 and most likely was of the left faction back then and most likely has all kinds of demons/pay back towards the party or politicians. (BTW. Obviously he naturally also wants to help his niece get some more votes)
Like i said if Mark Latham who as we both know was leader Labor for years said Labor has gone too far left, which i have no doubt would now be his view (and pretty sure I've heard him say), does it make it correct???
BTW. Your dream of the LNP being in the wilderness for a decade is also not backed up by anything but hopeful opinion, it's exactly how things looked for Labor after the last election yet here we are.
The reality is Labor are going to get in this election as LNP have come to the end of their cycle (9 years in power which there has only been a handful of runs longer) but its highly likely with rising interest rates and challenging times ahead Labor could only last one or two terms (one if they really drop the ball) but two is more realistic as public generally doesn't like to swap governments that fast, three historically unlikely for Labor
And if you think there is no strong leaders waiting, let's no forget Abbott a leader even many LNP voters can't stand took out Labor to start this 9 years of LNP and Albo is far from prime PM material so it's as much about timing and other factors.
Historically speaking long term everything is on LNPs side not only have 19 out of the last 25 years been under LNP but 50 of the last 71+ years have been and only twice have labor had a run longer than 7 years while LNP have done it 5 times which includes the last recent run and both
BTW. Let that sink in 19 of the last 25 years have been under LNP, while Labor have only had a few more years of government (about 21+ years) in 71+ years. (since 1950)
Fucking stop it Indo ya clown.
Sorry Andy i know you would love an echo chamber.
Echo chamber?
An echo chamber is "an environment where a person only encounters information or opinions that reflect and reinforce their own."
Was taking the piss.
Think about it.
LNP will struggle to rebuild itself in the next decade . There won’t be many left and they are attracting more and more RWNJs . LNP Senate candidate believes Bill Gates was behind COVID and MMR vaccine causes autism A Coalition candidate for the Senate has repeatedly backed a conspiracy theory that Bill Gates was behind the outbreak of COVID-19 and suggested that PCR tests don’t work.
Nicole Tobin, who is sixth on the Liberal National Party’s Senate ticket in Queensland, also promoted a debunked theory that vaccines cause autism and claimed there was a conspiracy about the reporting of COVID-19 deaths in Australia. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/lnp-senate-candidate-believes-bi...
“ Fingers Morrison “ haven’t heard that one before , old HG comes up with some classics.
Keep Josh & Fingers Morrison have a plan to solve all problems. “Don’t vote Labor!” Stunning in its simplicity. This easy to remember tag will add months to bald tyres, have chooks laying double yolks, return the power of speech to Angus Taylor & educate Alan Tudge #auspol
— H.G Nelson (@hg_nelson) May 4, 2022
It was funny Andy, but wasted. Too subtle..
Clear assessment of Morrison here.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/perrottet-backs-icac-s-buffoons-sle...
Anyone watch this today ? I’m betting josh wished he’d stayed in bed .
This is utterly brilliant.
— Stephen Koukoulas (@TheKouk) May 4, 2022
Worth two minutes of your time https://t.co/GZy1exCqgz
Supafreak wrote:Anyone watch this today ? I’m betting josh wished he’d stayed in bed . https://twitter.com/thekouk/status/1521735692208197634?s=21&t=hs-kc-CTsT...
Missed it SF, Josh will go down as Australia's worst treasurer (lost $40 bil).... unmatched.
Some very good points on why an ICAC is needed
The Prime Minister has escalated his attack on proposals for a powerful federal anti-corruption watchdog. #abc730 #auspol @jamesglenday pic.twitter.com/51NKmVC5ad
— abc730 (@abc730) May 4, 2022
Political flip flopping, Indo?
Scott Morrison, 2008:
“You could argue that they [Labor] were somewhat successful in prosecuting an argument that if interest rates were to rise, then the government should be accountable for those things, and as a result the government should not be elected,’’ he said.
“Well, if it’s good for them, it’s good for us. The government has created the expectation out there in the Australian community that it can control the revolution of the planets, that it can go out there and it can control the universe. It can control petrol prices. It can control grocery prices.
“So it is a fair thing - a very fair thing - for the people of Australia to hold this government to account for that pledge.”
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/interest-rates/why-the-reserve-b...
And then of course there's his view(s) on shared equity schemes for housing, but that's another flip flop for another day.
I can't wait to see how good I'm going to have it after the election. Didnt realize how bad I have had it until now. Great days ahead.
Jeez mate, you need to pay more attention.
For the New voters...How it all works...
Maybe Andy. But if it gets better than this, fuck me it's going to be good.
Zero confidence though when I see the guy who's going to win surrounded by Keating, Rudd and Shorten.
I'm only talking about my personal circumstances and what is going on in WA.
As far as I can ascertain, the situation we are currently facing is that the LNP government is the equivalent of every Australian being trapped in a contained cylinder of which there is no escape and there’s a bubbling spring of liquid shit which is up to our necks and rising.
The only difference made by electing the ALP is that the flow of liquid shit may slow slightly. There is no chance of an abatement of the shit or even a cessation of flow.
Good times!
Seems an accurate assessment to me, DSDS. I'm no supporter of accelerationism and believe Labor will make a few positive changes for the common good...but yes, stemming the tide with sandcastles largely. Still, its better than the alternative.
Optimist wrote:For the New voters...How it all works...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-gqrfTmVds
This video should be in school curriculums every year until the end of high school. So many people have no idea how the system is structured. How much of this is taught in schools?
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:As far as I can ascertain, the situation we are currently facing is that the LNP government is the equivalent of every Australian being trapped in a contained cylinder of which there is no escape and there’s a bubbling spring of liquid shit which is up to our necks and rising.
The only difference made by electing the ALP is that the flow of liquid shit may slow slightly. There is no chance of an abatement of the shit or even a cessation of flow.
Good times!
It is evident from the campaign that all that matters are the number of bones thrown at the dogs. 2 majors are just outbidding each other on the same policies, nothing new or revolutionary is proposed. I like the child care example; LNP improved on their existing policy with additional rebates for 2nd+ child while labor is proposing to increase the % of rebate relative to the income. As a father of 3, I am very well tuned in to how the system works and I can clearly calculate that Labor's proposal will be a bit better for many people. So, if this is all that mattered to me I would vote for Labor as I'm getting a better deal. If LNP was to beat it I would vote for LNP. It's as simple as that for many people.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:As far as I can ascertain, the situation we are currently facing is that the LNP government is the equivalent of every Australian being trapped in a contained cylinder of which there is no escape and there’s a bubbling spring of liquid shit which is up to our necks and rising.
The only difference made by electing the ALP is that the flow of liquid shit may slow slightly. There is no chance of an abatement of the shit or even a cessation of flow.
Good times!
The other difference is that we know what the ingredients are in the LNP's liquid shit stream and are all hoping that maybe the ALP's liquid shit stream's creators might have at least eaten some fruit and veggies.
I thought Bob Katter's idea about giving guns to schoolkids (boys only) had some merit and has largely been ignored by the MSM and major parties. The media is so biased sometimes.
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