2022 Election
This guy Jason Clare should be leading. He’s telling the truth and looks like he could be in an episode of Fat Pizza if he lost the suit. Real. Fucken dorks run the country on each side of the spectrum no matter what. No one’s really in touch with reality. What ya reckon.
Muppets on both sides here GS, yourself included. Please don't push the 'we need to be proactive barrow' to support your mob. As if we need more social engineering to make our country better - continued low unemployment and growth (what we have now - someone please tell Albo) is all we need.
Oh bugger off Cockee
Fact check Jason Clare…subs were Turnbulls dud idea not this Govts…job keeper was for all employers or it wouldn’t be fair and people would have lost shifts and income….the land sale is still under investigation by the federal police so we will see.
Optimist wrote:Fact check Jason Clare…subs were Turnbulls dud idea not this Govts…job keeper was for all employers or it wouldn’t be fair and people would have lost shifts and income….the land sale is still under investigation by the federal police so we will see.
Next thing you’ll be telling us is that no children or families are living in poverty, everyone has good paying jobs and the cost of living and interest rates are going down .
Fact check you’re devoid of brain cells sky fairy man. You think dinosaurs are 6000 years old. And I’m appalled you vote Liberal as they haven’t got a Christian moral amongst them. You are a seriously conflicted fellow unless you are into prosperity Gospels which you claim not to be.
stunet wrote:Nah mate, I think it's simply idiotic to believe someone who can post an abjectly biased video like that will also show 'the real picture'.
Never utter another word about MSM bias - you've all been hoodwinked.
A live streamed video is as accurate as you can get, it's the second best thing to being there, I've had this discussion with Viclocal only argument he could come up with against this, is if somethings happening they could move the camera too focus on something else, which is technically true but unlikely.
Why is it unlikely?
Because if something starts going down its in their interest to capture it and record it, it's what people want to see they want interesting things to happen to get viewers and clicks and they want to document things, if other media are there they will record it and then put out a 30 second snippet story, often misleading.
If its recorded by someone like Russkan then he can provide the whole picture and bust the narrative of that 30 second media snippet.
This is what happened a few times during Covid with these protest, the media were peddling one narrative but the footage was showing that the narrative was not true.
If you want to compare it all to surfing, its like a surfing webcam at the beach, sure it's not as good as being there but it's the second best thing.
Its much better than someone taking a photo and then telling you what it was like, or just telling you what it was like, we all have mates that love to talk it up if you weren't there, even sometimes backed up by tha set of the day pic.
Despite the constant moaning from the usual suspects, Australians have never had it so good. Put a train wreck like Albo in office and who knows what might happen. He is keen to get unemployment down to less than 5% tho.
Nah just fact check stuff is a good idea….and I’m not liberal or labor…just the best on the day…..I’ve voted equally for both and LNP look best to me right now but that’s just my democratic right to debate and vote without being abusive.
Cockee. Never had it so good hey fella. As stated by someone the other day on these forums ‘ Australia - still being shaped by Religion & Fossil Fuels’
Isn’t that Scott Morrison to a tee. Really
And I do wonder which Australians you are referring to, all of us or only some of us. Maybe you should get out of your massage chair and go and speak to those who are along way from large cities and regional areas.
You may have to clean some of the dust off your rose coloured glasses. It’s your opinion and that’s fine but it’s not mine.
Cockee wrote:Despite the constant moaning from the usual suspects, Australians have never had it so good. Put a train wreck like Albo in office and who knows what might happen. He is keen to get unemployment down to less than 5% tho.
Yep agree, cost of living and wages has never been so good .
You’ve got a democratic and human right to be a fucken numpty as well.
flollo wrote:bonza wrote:childcare subsidies useless if there are no spaces available. as rare as hens teeth around here.
That's true. There are many issues with the system. Very expensive. $125 per child per day (before the subsidy) regardless of hours spent there or whether the child attended or not. One kid is somewhat ok but with 2 you start questioning the value of working full time while sending kids to daycare. Not much money left after paying fees (if any, some lose money) so many parents opt out of the workforce and stay home with kids.
Im honestly kinda surprised with your view on child care, had one kid go through the system a few days a week and now another, I'm always surprised at how much these types of things are subsidised and how much you get for so little.
Same with the public health system, maybe we have been lucky but im always surprised when i hear people complain about it, my experience and my wife's is that its super generous, like rare to pay for anything, even when i broke ribs and punctured a lung, i was expecting a few thousand dollar bill was in hospital for a week, even had a 1.5hr ambulance ride, but I paid nothing the most expensive part was wife visiting paying carpark fees, i almost kinda felt guilty for not paying.
Even just going to a doctor i dont know if we are lucky in our areas, but all our local clinics are bulk billed, no questions asked about how much you earn or anything.
And i have some meds i take and over the years they have gone from $30, to $20, to $10????
Im not complaining by any means, but im surprised at how generous the system is, if i was going to design it, it wouldn't be anywhere as generous, id have most people paying at least something unless on benefits or retired etc
Same deal with maternity leave, not only was my wife eligible but i also got some $$$ and time off, something id never expect.
My wife is Indonesian so blown away by it all at first and thinks is crazy how much we and others can get, but she has also quickly learnt how to go chasing all these $$$, most of which you wont know about until you real go digging which id personally never be bothered to do.
Was surprised the other day too when we got our electricity bill and it was barely anything, something to do with some discount or something from last year when we didn't have electricity for a couple days due to storms.
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/jasonclaremp/status/1513689143418978304?s=21&t=KnTja...
LNP are better economic managers, no doubt there. No recession for 27 years!
Just ignore the structural deficit left by Howard, and the technical recession of the last few years prior to Covid.... Population Ponzi, go you good thing!!!
Seeds, people like you will go the way of the dinosaur soon….they too were from a previous civilisation and wouldn’t fit into the new one , just as you won’t in the next one….oh and the worlds best and most innovative surfboard shapers are sky fairies like me.
Cockee wrote:Despite the constant moaning from the usual suspects, Australians have never had it so good. Put a train wreck like Albo in office and who knows what might happen. He is keen to get unemployment down to less than 5% tho.
100% agree
The only issue of real concern is housing affordability, that's a worry for young people, but its also an effect of our long prosperous period and people having money and equity and being able to borrow a lot.
This issue wont be fixed by either party though, there really is only one answer and thats to increase supply of land to the point the market is saturated, and keep releasing land to keep it saturated.
But im not sure if any of us really want to see this happen, it would also have big negative effects on Australias lifestyle and environment.
andy-mac wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/jasonclaremp/status/1513689143418978304?s=21&t=KnTja...
LNP are better economic managers, no doubt there. No recession for 27 years!
Just ignore the structural deficit left by Howard, and the technical recession of the last few years prior to Covid.... Population Ponzi, go you good thing!!!
Brilliant plan though , just keep borrowing money that ya don’t have to pay back .
indo-dreaming wrote:flollo wrote:bonza wrote:childcare subsidies useless if there are no spaces available. as rare as hens teeth around here.
That's true. There are many issues with the system. Very expensive. $125 per child per day (before the subsidy) regardless of hours spent there or whether the child attended or not. One kid is somewhat ok but with 2 you start questioning the value of working full time while sending kids to daycare. Not much money left after paying fees (if any, some lose money) so many parents opt out of the workforce and stay home with kids.
Im honestly kinda surprised with your view on child care, had one kid go through the system a few days a week and now another, I'm always surprised at how much these types of things are subsidised and how much you get for so little.
Same with the public health system, maybe we have been lucky but im always surprised when i hear people complain about it, my experience and my wife's is that its super generous, like rare to pay for anything, even when i broke ribs and punctured a lung, i was expecting a few thousand dollar bill was in hospital for a week, even had a 1.5hr ambulance ride, but I paid nothing the most expensive part was wife visiting paying carpark fees, i almost kinda felt guilty for not paying.
Even just going to a doctor i dont know if we are lucky in our areas, but all our local clinics are bulk billed, no questions asked about how much you earn or anything.
And i have some meds i take and over the years they have gone from $30, to $20, to $10????
Im not complaining by any means, but im surprised at how generous the system is, if i was going to design it, it wouldn't be anywhere as generous, id have most people paying at least something unless on benefits or retired etc
Same deal with maternity leave, not only was my wife eligible but i also got some $$$ and time off, something id never expect.
My wife is Indonesian so blown away by it all at first and thinks is crazy how much we and others can get, but she has also quickly learnt how to go chasing all these $$$, most of which you want know about until you real go digging which id personally never be bothered to do.
On daycare - $125 per child per day. Let's say 2 kids so $250 per day. 5 days a week = $1250 per week. 50 weeks (2 weeks leave) = $62500.
Now let's apply the subsidy of 50% (most people) = $31250. This is the out-of-pocket cost that someone needs to fork out to keep 2 kids in daycare. Please note that this is after-tax cash money. This is roughly the equivalent of a $40k per year full-time salary. So at $40k salary, you break even. At let's say $70k you take home $25k.
So purely from a financial position, many people find it very unattractive to work full time as daycare fees significantly lower their take-home income. Especially once you add commute costs, need for a 2nd car etc...Unfortunately, many opt out of the workforce and it's usually women. There was a year when my 3 kids overlapped and I had to enroll all 3 of them. That's basically impossible financially so my wife took a year off and didn't work. It's a huge structural problem in my opinion. The fact that both parties are keen to expand support is evidence of that. And I believe that labor's proposal is better and it will help more people.
It is really important now when we're facing labor shortages. Rather than boosting immigration, the focus should be on mobilising larger parts of the existing population. This is one of the tools that can help.
On health care - I have no structural issues but resourcing is horrendous. I had good experiences with emergencies and childbirth. But 'electives' as they call them are horrendous. Impossible to get hip or knee surgery. Basically, you have to live as an invalid for a prolonged period before you get anything done.
indo-dreaming wrote:flollo wrote:bonza wrote:childcare subsidies useless if there are no spaces available. as rare as hens teeth around here.
That's true. There are many issues with the system. Very expensive. $125 per child per day (before the subsidy) regardless of hours spent there or whether the child attended or not. One kid is somewhat ok but with 2 you start questioning the value of working full time while sending kids to daycare. Not much money left after paying fees (if any, some lose money) so many parents opt out of the workforce and stay home with kids.
Im honestly kinda surprised with your view on child care, had one kid go through the system a few days a week and now another, I'm always surprised at how much these types of things are subsidised and how much you get for so little.
Same with the public health system, maybe we have been lucky but im always surprised when i hear people complain about it, my experience and my wife's is that its super generous, like rare to pay for anything, even when i broke ribs and punctured a lung, i was expecting a few thousand dollar bill was in hospital for a week, even had a 1.5hr ambulance ride, but I paid nothing the most expensive part was wife visiting paying carpark fees, i almost kinda felt guilty for not paying.
Even just going to a doctor i dont know if we are lucky in our areas, but all our local clinics are bulk billed, no questions asked about how much you earn or anything.
And i have some meds i take and over the years they have gone from $30, to $20, to $10????
Im not complaining by any means, but im surprised at how generous the system is, if i was going to design it, it wouldn't be anywhere as generous, id have most people paying at least something unless on benefits or retired etc
Same deal with maternity leave, not only was my wife eligible but i also got some $$$ and time off, something id never expect.
My wife is Indonesian so blown away by it all at first and thinks is crazy how much we and others can get, but she has also quickly learnt how to go chasing all these $$$, most of which you wont know about until you real go digging which id personally never be bothered to do.
Was surprised the other day too when we got our electricity bill and it was barely anything, something to do with some discount or something from last year when we didn't have electricity for a couple days due to storms.
You do pay for it, taxes are allocated to health care so everyone can have health care regardless of income. If you want extras covered like dental then you pay. Great system. Democratic socialist policy at it best.
The US is probably what you are describing……..no thank you. A health care system that is about profits not patients.
@flollo
Thanks for reply, it's interesting to hear someone else's perspective and their situation on things explained.
I guess our whole situation is different hence view things differently, my wife doesn't work full time and i work for myself so flexible and we only need to leave one child at a time in child care 2 to max 3 days a week.
soggydog wrote:You do pay for it, taxes are allocated to health care so everyone can have health care regardless of income. If you want extras covered like dental then you pay. Great system. Democratic socialist policy at it best.
The US is probably what you are describing……..no thank you. A health care system that is about profits not patients.
I don't have experience with the USA system so only know what I've read or heard from friends there, but i was thinking more in-between their system and our system would make sense.
But im not complaining, just surprised when people do complain as I see it as super generous and dont expect it too be so generous, even when i look back to the 90s, it seems much more generous than then as i remember back then to get free service like bulk billed Doctor you had to show a health care card showing your were on benefits.
It is generous Indo and something to be proud of. But, trust me, there are people going hammer and tong behind the scenes trying to unwind it and make it more 'American' (i.e. profit driven)
Be very careful what you wish for.
Unemployment ought to be low given the massive labour shortages they have created
— John Hewson (@JohnRHewson) April 12, 2022
zenagain wrote:It is generous Indo and something to be proud of. But, trust me, there are people going hammer and tong behind the scenes trying to unwind it and make it more 'American' (i.e. profit driven)
Be very careful what you wish for.
It's not that i wish for a change as such im happy with how it is now or was twenty years ago, im just kind of surprised when people don't think it's good enough, when its seems overly generous and even under LNP recent years( 2013 to now) it seems to have gotten more generous which i didn't expect it would.
BTW. How is the system in Japan compared to Aust???
Supafreak wrote:https://twitter.com/johnrhewson/status/1513720273765568513?s=21&t=pt0ePE...
I sympathise with your drive to correlate low unemployment to border closures. I think there might be some truth in it but to confirm, I would love to see research conducted by a credible organisation rather than Twitter snippets. Basically, anyone can say whatever they want on Twitter without any citation or repercussions.
Here is one I found from Grattan Institute that argues against this hypothesis. Basically, it says that fiscal stimulus is the main driver of low unemployment. In summary:
'It shows that the effect of the stimulus is 7-to-8 times larger than the effect of the border closure.'
https://grattan.edu.au/news/whats-driving-australias-record-low-unemploy...
and
https://theconversation.com/a-myth-that-wont-die-stopping-migration-did-...
Do you have any sources to share that state the opposite?
@flollo , I thought it was a funny tweet seeing as it came from John Hewson . With all this employment why are millions living under the poverty line ? How many hours do you have to work to be considered employed ? Why are more people receiving unemployment benefits now than before the pandemic ? No I don’t have the sources you are asking for but haven’t looked .
Unemployment figures should be based solely on full-time employment.
See what percentage they get then.
@flollo , I posted this short ( under 5 minutes ) ABC story a few pages back .
Supafreak wrote:@flollo , I thought it was a funny tweet seeing as it came from John Hewson . With all this employment why are millions living under the poverty line ? How many hours do you have to work to be considered employed ? Why are more people receiving unemployment benefits now than before the pandemic ? No I don’t have the sources you are asking for but haven’t looked .
I see what you mean. Watched that video below as well. It's a different issue than the border vs unemployment rate correlation although there are some connections.
I think everyone needs to understand that the unemployment rate is only one high-level metric. By no means should the decision be made based on this metric alone. I actually think it is quite meaningless as a standalone item (my subjective opinion).
I encourage everyone to visit the below link of the regularly collected information by ABS which provides more comprehensive insights.
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/lab....
Some critical terms that everyone should know in addition to the unemployment rate:
- Participation rate
- Employment to population ratio
- Underemployment rate
+ few others
The issues you are highlighting are very, very important. They are much bigger than this border discussion. I reckon Scomo would be happy for the public to entertain themselves with the border discussion as the real problems (and the plans to fix them) are much harder to deal with. This thing with Albo came to him as a Christmas gift. Now all we will talk about is the unemployment rate while ignoring all these other critical indicators. They should both get grilled on a full set of indicators so there is no cherry-picking.
One thing that truly scares me is that we are having more scenarios where a full-time job in some industries cannot provide housing or basic living conditions. I study what is happening in the US a lot, it's kind of a window into the future with some things. And what I find staggering when I look into their homeless problems is the number of people with full-time jobs that don't pay for basic living needs. This is especially the case with single mothers. California seems to be really bad as the cost of living has severely outpaced the wages. So, some live in tents, and cars while working full time. I don't want Australia to turn into this, it would be a disaster.
Yep the Scott Morrison Party is definitely united , not sure about the LNP though. Record number of NSW Liberal members quit amid war over preselections The internal war within the NSW division of the Liberals over preselections has led to a mass exodus of members, with more deserting the troubled party this year than the previous two years combined.
Membership figures were presented to the party’s state executive meeting on Friday night, showing hundreds of members have resigned this financial year, which still has several months to go. This year 325 members have quit, while just 102 members resigned in 2020 and 160 in 2019, according to a slide presented to state executive members and seen by The Sydney Morning Herald.
Slides, shown to the meeting by state director Chris Stone, also revealed that the party signed up 2319 new members in 2019 – the year the division had elections at a state and federal level – but this year that figure was significantly lower at 1211. Simmering anger has ripped through the division after local branch preselections were abandoned in 12 NSW seats following an intervention by Prime Minister Scott Morrison and his key ally, Immigration Minister Alex Hawke.
Morrison stepped in to save Hawke, as well as Environment Minister Sussan Ley and North Sydney MP Trent Zimmerman from facing preselection battles.
However, in a federal executive intervention, Morrison, NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet and former federal president Christine McDiven also took control of handpicking candidates in nine more seats only a week out from Morrison calling the election.
The bitter factional fight over preselections was ultimately taken to the High Court.
The membership figures were released just days before Morrison called the election, which some state executive members saw as extraordinary timing, given the dire message they send. One member of the state executive, who is prohibited from speaking publicly under party rules, said the membership figures were particularly concerning because they did not represent those who had allowed their membership to lapse, but had wanted to leave the party.
“We have never seen anything like this; it’s an exodus,” the source said. “There is higher morale in the Russian army than Morrison’s home division. The damage Hawke and Morrison have deliberately caused to the Liberal Party will long outlast Morrison’s prime ministership.”
Senior Liberals, including the party’s NSW president, Philip Ruddock, have conceded delays to preselections could make victory harder for the federal Coalition.
Ruddock, who has flagged that the NSW branch’s constitution would be reviewed after the election because of the factional battle, has acknowledged the impact of the preselection delays on the election fight. One of electorates that had a candidate imposed on it was the seat of Hughes. Lawyer Jenny Ware was endorsed as the candidate after preselections were cancelled, despite being described by the party as not “suitable” to run.
Local branches in Hughes were infuriated by the move. The Sutherland branch sent a searing letter to state executive members after the preselections were abandoned.
“State executive members must take time to reflect on what has occurred. The party is removing the democratic right of loyal members rather than prosecuting the case against the Labor Party, the Greens and the Climate 200 ‘independents’, all of whom have policies that will damage Australia’s prosperity and security,” the letter, obtained by the Herald, says.
The letter pointedly said branch members believed the three candidates who had nominated for preselection were “suitable”. This was a reference to a motion that was put to the executive that said: “Unfortunately, none of the persons who nominated are suitable or provide the division with its best chance of winning the election.” Ms Ware had nominated, as did state MP Melanie Gibbons. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/record-number-of-nsw-liberal-members.... As always interesting comments section.
@flollo , neighbour’s 4 doors up , young family with 3 kids just moved out as rent increase was $120 per week and they simply can’t afford it . Don’t know where they moved too. My wife works part time at a motel which in tweed heads at the moment are all full with victims of the floods. She was telling me today of three families devestated at the news they must vacate over Easter as rooms are pre - booked , they are welcome to return after holidays but have no where to go in meantime. Looks like the car is it .
indo-dreaming wrote:Cockee wrote:Despite the constant moaning from the usual suspects, Australians have never had it so good. Put a train wreck like Albo in office and who knows what might happen. He is keen to get unemployment down to less than 5% tho.
100% agree
The only issue of real concern is housing affordability, that's a worry for young people, but its also an effect of our long prosperous period and people having money and equity and being able to borrow a lot.
This issue wont be fixed by either party though, there really is only one answer and thats to increase supply of land to the point the market is saturated, and keep releasing land to keep it saturated.
But im not sure if any of us really want to see this happen, it would also have big negative effects on Australias lifestyle and environment.
Actually there is a shitload of answers. Tax reform; removing Perverse grants to building industry and home owners and the like that only serve to inflate the market to benefit real estate and property developers; introducing sustainable immigration levels; planning reforms to prevent developers manipulating land releases that only serve their bottom line.
Sadly neither major party will touch these or other macroeconomic measures.
https://www.fresheconomicthinking.com/2022/02/new-metrics-to-show-value-...
Oh there’s another issue of real concern and it’s called climate change. Its having a real bottom line impact on all those nat lib voters properties.
'Oh there’s another issue of real concern and it’s called climate change. Its having a real bottom line impact on all those nat lib voters properties.' How so bonza?
@optimist , this one’s for you . https://twitter.com/aussiefairgo/status/1513824008869138432?s=21&t=9-KmyAW7X1oqqkxoHXL1gw
Cockee wrote:'Oh there’s another issue of real concern and it’s called climate change. Its having a real bottom line impact on all those nat lib voters properties.' How so bonza?
Regional electorates usually associated as rusted on nat voters. The last 2-3 years are a representative of what is expected based on the modelling. As a producer this has impacted your bottom line and thus asset value. Drought, fire, flood. Standard stuff for Australia if you ignored the intensity and frequency of recent events.
Coastal property owners more likely to be lib leaning- Inundation and flood risk is starting to get noticed by insurers and property buyers. Watch this space.
Recall Feb 2022 Home Economics was not Daggy Dad's best subject either.
Q: Have you lost touch with the voters on the cost of living?
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/scomo-concedes-he-hasnt-got...
[1:20]
Wotz the price of a Loaf of Bread?
Wotz the price of a litre of fuel?
Wotz the price of a RAT?
About a 1,000 duck'n'weaves + Million years later...we get this top notch reply.
Daggy Dad's Answer :" I'm not gonna tell you I buy a litre of Milk each day!
(Good! Coz no one asked?)
"Just don't hassle me with more of these Chix problems."
(Translation!)
Daggy Dad's Answer : "The little woman buys all that girlie shit!"
PM : Anyone who has a go gets a go!
Albo : I had a Go & fucked it up big time, then had to shake it off like a cheap tattoo.
PM : I'm still too scared to have a go...the voters might think I'm stupid.
Albo : And!
These Yuppies could learn alot from ye old school John Howard Fact File :
Howard Staffer : Keiran Gilbert carted Johnnie's Briefings Folder around...
Comes with an Underlined pocket sized Shopping Staples List
Johnnie squirrels it into his pocket for those pesky press gigs! All Good! (Cough!)
Mr PM : Are you ready to Play Mastermind!
#1 Bread (What does that say there...is that 99 or 95)
#2 Milk (We can round that off to the nearest dollar then cross it off the list!)
#3 GST on a pack of Candles...that's easy! It's....
Know your Product!
Albo said unemployment would rocket to 5% as none of our pollies will have jobs come polling day!
That's forward thinking right there! Bloody Honest as well!
Indo,
Not Zen, but I will chip in anyway.
In Japan, day care costs are income based and generally fairly cheap. I recall paying about $150 a month for my son, but I was in a low tax bracket.
The standard deal with the public health insurance is you pay 30% of medical costs and the remainder is paid by the government and/or your employer. If you incur over about $1,500 in medical expenses you can receive a tax rebate. Medical expenses paid by a business for its employees are a business tax deduction. I think there is some additional support for those who are below the poverty line, but I don't know the details.
zenagain wrote:Unemployment figures should be based solely on full-time employment.
See what percentage they get then.
I agree 1hr is too low, but the worlds a very different place to what it was in the past, lots of people aren't locked into a nine to five 38hr a week type job, work-life balance and work place flexibility has become more popular than ever, especially after Covid with many people working from home more than ever and lines between work and life being more fuzzy than ever and just getting a certain amount of work done being more important.
Full time work is generally classed as 35hrs a week or more, i and many people i know rarely work a 35hr week for family and lifestyle choice reasons, id be classed unemployed under that measure, instead my wife maybe does 15-20hrs a week and i do about 30hrs a week
I have many friends that are in similar situations all by choice, or have other income streams like air BnB's
Ive also met quite a few older people who retired then kind of got bored and decided to go back to work often just half a working week, often back to their original work place.
Things are changing and becoming more flexible than ever and less 9-5 38hrs a week based.
arcadia wrote:Indo,
Not Zen, but I will chip in anyway.
In Japan, day care costs are income based and generally fairly cheap. I recall paying about $150 a month for my son, but I was in a low tax bracket.
The standard deal with the public health insurance is you pay 30% of medical costs and the remainder is paid by the government and/or your employer. If you incur over about $1,500 in medical expenses you can receive a tax rebate. Medical expenses paid by a business for its employees are a business tax deduction. I think there is some additional support for those who are below the poverty line, but I don't know the details.
Thanks for the info, that sounds like a logical balanced medical type system
bonza wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Cockee wrote:Despite the constant moaning from the usual suspects, Australians have never had it so good. Put a train wreck like Albo in office and who knows what might happen. He is keen to get unemployment down to less than 5% tho.
100% agree
The only issue of real concern is housing affordability, that's a worry for young people, but its also an effect of our long prosperous period and people having money and equity and being able to borrow a lot.
This issue wont be fixed by either party though, there really is only one answer and thats to increase supply of land to the point the market is saturated, and keep releasing land to keep it saturated.
But im not sure if any of us really want to see this happen, it would also have big negative effects on Australias lifestyle and environment.
Actually there is a shitload of answers. Tax reform; removing Perverse grants to building industry and home owners and the like that only serve to inflate the market to benefit real estate and property developers; introducing sustainable immigration levels; planning reforms to prevent developers manipulating land releases that only serve their bottom line.
Sadly neither major party will touch these or other macroeconomic measures.https://www.fresheconomicthinking.com/2022/02/new-metrics-to-show-value-...
Oh there’s another issue of real concern and it’s called climate change. Its having a real bottom line impact on all those nat lib voters properties.
This discussion really is a housing thread discussion, but i dont agree, those things might help a bit maybe see a freeze on prices for a while or slight dip, but in the long run wont really change the affordability problems, its not a problem just found in Australia it's one being seen in pretty much all developing countries NZ, USA, Europe.
Its no different to why the price of Bitcoin goes up, limited supply with increased demand, only way to really fix the problem is to release and rezone large areas of land to flood the market and to keep doing so, but again yeah not something many of us would like to see and not something that is going to happen.
The housing affordability issue isn't going to change no matter who is in government, add to land prices increases, materials and building cost are only going up as is regulation and building standards many of these are good things like energy ratings, but even things like energy rating do increase the cost of building quite a bit.
"George Christensen announces intention to run in 2022 federal election for Pauline Hanson's One Nation party"
He'd already declared his intention to retire from Parliament!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-13/george-christensen-to-run-as-one-...
This is an interesting read on "Unemployment rate" which kind of makes more sense on why its just 1 hr of work, especially being able to compare our rates to other countries.
"The ABS counts everyone who works for at least one hour in the reference week as employed. While a one hour cut-off point could be argued to be insufficient to sustain a family or person financially, there are several reasons for including everyone who works at least one hour a week as employed," the organisation says on its website.
"From an economic perspective, any time in paid work, no matter how small, contributes to economic production and is therefore included in the national accounts.
"Labour force statistics are economic indicators and need to be coherent with other economic measures."
The one-hour criterion is consistent with numerous established economies around the globe – it's not a weird quirk of the Australian system.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-unemployment-rate-explainer-...
And graph
indo-dreaming wrote:bonza wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Cockee wrote:Despite the constant moaning from the usual suspects, Australians have never had it so good. Put a train wreck like Albo in office and who knows what might happen. He is keen to get unemployment down to less than 5% tho.
100% agree
The only issue of real concern is housing affordability, that's a worry for young people, but its also an effect of our long prosperous period and people having money and equity and being able to borrow a lot.
This issue wont be fixed by either party though, there really is only one answer and thats to increase supply of land to the point the market is saturated, and keep releasing land to keep it saturated.
But im not sure if any of us really want to see this happen, it would also have big negative effects on Australias lifestyle and environment.
Actually there is a shitload of answers. Tax reform; removing Perverse grants to building industry and home owners and the like that only serve to inflate the market to benefit real estate and property developers; introducing sustainable immigration levels; planning reforms to prevent developers manipulating land releases that only serve their bottom line.
Sadly neither major party will touch these or other macroeconomic measures.https://www.fresheconomicthinking.com/2022/02/new-metrics-to-show-value-...
Oh there’s another issue of real concern and it’s called climate change. Its having a real bottom line impact on all those nat lib voters properties.
This discussion really is a housing thread discussion, but i dont agree, those things might help a bit maybe see a freeze on prices for a while or slight dip, but in the long run wont really change the affordability problems, its not a problem just found in Australia it's one being seen in pretty much all developing countries NZ, USA, Europe.
Its no different to why the price of Bitcoin goes up, limited supply with increased demand, only way to really fix the problem is to release and rezone large areas of land to flood the market and to keep doing so, but again yeah not something many of us would like to see and not something that is going to happen.
The housing affordability issue isn't going to change no matter who is in government, add to land prices increases, materials and building cost are only going up as is regulation and building standards many of these are good things like energy ratings, but even things like energy rating do increase the cost of building quite a bit.
Canada just announced a 2 year ban on foreign investment into real estate to ease bidding pressure for first home buyers. There’s heaps the government could do.
I do remember at the last election that labour had a few policy’s addressing housing affordability. As opposed to the LNP who had fuck all.
When i lived in Perth there were a lot of people i met on the disability pension for things such as cocaine psychosis or heroin addiction and being drug fucked, too slow to work. Three of my room mates were pensioners while i was working in a very large nursery and had to look after about 6 large greenhouses and keep them all weed free.
I was a schizophrenic too hearing voices every day at work and might have had a chance to get on the pension but thought i could work well enough..In fact they were very happy with me and how quickly i picked up driving all the different tractor vehicles and planting cuttings etc.
Didn't know much about the names of the different plants but that came with time...I remember you Indo dreaming saying you had the same job and knew the names of the plants etc..
Anyway my point is are disability pensioners considered unemployed?
I currently work in a servo and loving it..especially only working 3-4 days a week,.not much chance of getting robbed in Kalbarri. Over east i worked in a servo for a while and 10 minutes before my shift 4 Samoans came in and robbed the joint and also stole the multiplexer (recording dvr) from the back room which was very secure.
Groundy you would be elegible for DSP and a few days work per week at the Servo would be unlikely to affect your payment.
I might look into that Udo. Thanks.
Theres online calculators you can check out for how any earnings will affect your payment and your missing out on Rent relief.
https://www.tiktok.com/@adisenofficial/video/7085648368055192833?is_from...
Oh dear....
Scomo's drinkies with his media buddies were interrupted.
I think there should be a list of all the journalists who attended. Fark the fourth estate in Australia is comprised...
indo-dreaming wrote:zenagain wrote:Unemployment figures should be based solely on full-time employment.
See what percentage they get then.
I agree 1hr is too low, but the worlds a very different place to what it was in the past, lots of people aren't locked into a nine to five 38hr a week type job, work-life balance and work place flexibility has become more popular than ever, especially after Covid with many people working from home more than ever and lines between work and life being more fuzzy than ever and just getting a certain amount of work done being more important.
Full time work is generally classed as 35hrs a week or more, i and many people i know rarely work a 35hr week for family and lifestyle choice reasons, id be classed unemployed under that measure, instead my wife maybe does 15-20hrs a week and i do about 30hrs a week
I have many friends that are in similar situations all by choice, or have other income streams like air BnB's
Ive also met quite a few older people who retired then kind of got bored and decided to go back to work often just half a working week, often back to their original work place.
Things are changing and becoming more flexible than ever and less 9-5 38hrs a week based.
I would say that given you’ve already mentioned that your wife is pretty savvy at finding the “free money from the government” (it’s never free, somebody has to pay it back). And combined you work about 50 hrs a week. If you require government assistance beyond the basics such as Medicare, school, childcare and infrastructure etc (What is available to everyone) to maintain a relaxed lifestyle then by comparison to many, yes you are wilfully under employed to maintain your lifestyle and choose socialist economic policies over work.
Mmmmmm, Indo didn’t even know he was a socialist.
indo-dreaming wrote:This is an interesting read on "Unemployment rate" which kind of makes more sense on why its just 1 hr of work, especially being able to compare our rates to other countries.
"The ABS counts everyone who works for at least one hour in the reference week as employed. While a one hour cut-off point could be argued to be insufficient to sustain a family or person financially, there are several reasons for including everyone who works at least one hour a week as employed," the organisation says on its website.
"From an economic perspective, any time in paid work, no matter how small, contributes to economic production and is therefore included in the national accounts.
"Labour force statistics are economic indicators and need to be coherent with other economic measures."
The one-hour criterion is consistent with numerous established economies around the globe – it's not a weird quirk of the Australian system.https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-unemployment-rate-explainer-...
And graph
Indo, you might like to go through OECD data to see how we rate against other countries.
https://data.oecd.org/unemp/unemployment-rate.htm
The goal is to have the methodology aligned internationally so a direct comparison is achieved, so yes I agree with your last paragraph. Doing individual, country-level changes to the way the unemployment rate is measured is not what we should strive for. But like I previously said and shared, those interested in the topic should study many other critical indicators rather than limit their view to this one metric.
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