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Roadkill wrote:So adam was correct in saying / victim blaming
“the organiser dressed like a carpark attendant making demands on a prime minister then throwing a performative tearful little tanty and running off to Ben Fordham.”
and it doesn’t deserve being called out? Or are you happy to give him a free pass?
I wouldn't have used that language myself, but nor did she cover herself in glory, and she needs to take some of the blame for diverting attention away from the main issue. Wasn't anyone from parliament who did that.
The rest of Adam's post was on the mark, and it describes your responses too. You fucked up, read the situation wrong, laid your prejudices bare, and now you're trying to divert our attention from them with this charade about, ahem, good ethics.
Yeah right...
Stunet is on an absolute tear this week. I’m loving this
Well said @adam
Alana_a wrote:Stunet is on an absolute tear this week. I’m loving this
Yes I like the gloves are off approach . Can only imagine how many comments admin has allowed to go through to the keeper. Hope they find the time to keep it up . Great post A12 always enjoy reading your take on things , salty dog also has a great way explaining what’s really going on .
stunet wrote:Roadkill wrote:So adam was correct in saying / victim blaming
“the organiser dressed like a carpark attendant making demands on a prime minister then throwing a performative tearful little tanty and running off to Ben Fordham.”
and it doesn’t deserve being called out? Or are you happy to give him a free pass?
I wouldn't have used that language myself, but nor did she cover herself in glory, and she needs to take some of the blame for diverting attention away from the main issue. Wasn't anyone from parliament who did that.
The rest of Adam's post was on the mark, and it describes your responses too. You fucked up, read the situation wrong, laid your prejudices bare, and now you're trying to divert our attention from them with this charade about, ahem, good ethics.
Yeah right...
Prejudices (and bias)…plenty of that on show.
Supa, I had to chuck Pauline into the immigration portfolio as she is the only one who could possibly stop the 1,000,000 + a year migration fiasco as I have an interest in getting homeless people homes. The only one I was joking about was Albo. …Serial politicians from their youth are unimpressive.
Great Australian dream?….easily fixed but too hard for our glorious leaders.
The Murdoch media (The Australian) has a lot of form in destroying reputations through BS dating way back.
How it is considered a news organisation is a joke.
""The pattern is familiar. A daily barrage, tirelessly repeating the same details, with context and unhelpful facts omitted. On and on it goes, until the hapless victim is supposed to crumple under the barrels of splattered ink.
Manning Clark, Julia Gillard, Simon Overland, Christine Milne, virtually anyone with progressive ideas slightly to the left of the soup spoon, are among the cohort who have been targets of the paper.""
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/15/gillian-triggs-the...
andy-mac wrote:The Murdoch media (The Australian) has a lot of form in destroying reputations through BS dating way back.
How it is considered a news organisation is a joke.""The pattern is familiar. A daily barrage, tirelessly repeating the same details, with context and unhelpful facts omitted. On and on it goes, until the hapless victim is supposed to crumple under the barrels of splattered ink.
Manning Clark, Julia Gillard, Simon Overland, Christine Milne, virtually anyone with progressive ideas slightly to the left of the soup spoon, are among the cohort who have been targets of the paper.""
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/15/gillian-triggs-the...
Bill Shorten could go on that list too. I would’ve liked to see how he would’ve led.
soggydog wrote:andy-mac wrote:The Murdoch media (The Australian) has a lot of form in destroying reputations through BS dating way back.
How it is considered a news organisation is a joke.""The pattern is familiar. A daily barrage, tirelessly repeating the same details, with context and unhelpful facts omitted. On and on it goes, until the hapless victim is supposed to crumple under the barrels of splattered ink.
Manning Clark, Julia Gillard, Simon Overland, Christine Milne, virtually anyone with progressive ideas slightly to the left of the soup spoon, are among the cohort who have been targets of the paper.""
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/15/gillian-triggs-the...
Bill Shorten could go on that list too. I would’ve liked to see how he would’ve led.
Another one who seems like a very decent person put through the Murdock mud machine.
Wonder what Australia is like in that parallel universe where he won the election?
"...Morrison was a special kind of weirdo and Albo is fast catching up. In fact our quality of politicians is getting worse every election cycle."
yep
I thought albo was a breath of fresh air initially, even talked him up...
but nah, he is getting weirder (and worser) by the day...
Shortens been making a mess of Centrelink and the NDIS has meth addicts with “mental health problems “ sucking up the budget so I don’t think he should run a country. Probably need to move the meth heads into a different space.
I had cautious hopes for Albo too but from day 1 it’s “trust my smile” and forget the detail….also that “ please like me “ syndrome he has just like Morrison annoys me.
I like Richard marles though and reckon he would be a good leader with bill chalmers as treasurer. Saw bill hanging with Peter Costello on TV and wouldn’t surprise me if he’s getting some advice from one of the greats…
There are some good players on all sides they just need to care about us and work together….
.. A few hundred thousand cheap blocks of land would be a start and fix housing immediately.
re. 'the incident'
as I said, it's the optics of the whole thing...
and albo behaving the absolute opposite of what he's pushing on the WHOLE male population
most men abhor DV, and would do anything to overcome it...
...except accept the dogmatic view of 'toxic masculinity' as the broad tar brush currently being slopped around...
without talking about toxic feminism, nature, biology, science, mating, social pressures... and, social media, porn and influencers... and how these things have brought out the absolute worst traits from above list in BOTH sexes...
facebook is now basically a soft porn outlet... but yeh... elon bad...
re. 'the incident'
the 'lie' is nothing in the bigger scheme of things
but I dare say the belittling she copped beforehand had her seething... and rightly so...
and 'the context' started way way before the belittling... as alluded to in the insiders clip I posted
albo saw a cheap moment of political grandstanding... and got rewarded commensurately...
I've got no doubt his concerns are real
it's just that he is such a shining example of your typical career politician and the extensive overly 'professional' apparatus that supports them...
it's the machine that is broken
and, I imagine 'the parking attendant' had to dress like that...
no choice
don't start on that one!
supafreak's question...
anyone but albo
and dutton...
they both represent the absolute worst in both sides of politics in the modern context
Great post Adam12. Summed it up to a tee.
As for Bi-partisan. You may need to check that Australian politicians understand the meaning of that word. When was the last time the two parties were bi partisan on a truly big issue?
Remember at the start of the voice, we were told it would be a bi-partisan approach. Look how that was sabotaged and how that turned out.
As for P.M, Mehreen Farouq gets the vote from me. She's a gem. Also the fact she's currently taking that filthy pig Hanson to court is a cherry on top.
@Roadkill.
Ok I may have been out of line commenting on her appearance.
It just struck me as odd.
As did her behavior.
Inappropriate on both counts.
Just my opinion.
Been a while since @Roady has had a go at me, due to my absence from these pages, missed your tough love little cowboy.
I'm back now, let the fun begin.
AlfredWallace wrote:velocityjohnno wrote:Zen.
I focus, Zen, GaryG, injury subs for sure. AW
Very kind AW thanks but I could only ever stand in the shadows of those two giants way out of my league.
sypkan wrote:supafreak's question...
anyone but albo
and dutton...
they both represent the absolute worst in both sides of politics in the modern context
I don't understand how both could be placed together Dutton was immigration minister which should automatically rule him out of anything spent $30 mil locking up the Biloela family surly that alone puts Dutton somewhere below scumbag level.
adam12 wrote:@Roadkill.
Ok I may have been out of line commenting on her appearance.
It just struck me as odd.
As did her behavior.
Inappropriate on both counts.
Just my opinion.
Been a while since @Roady has had a go at me, due to my absence from these pages, missed your tough love little cowboy.
I'm back now, let the fun begin.
Respect that Adam. Man enough to own it.
I hope you have had fun whilst away. Welcome back.
All Elbow can come with is a $5000 payment!!
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/domestic-violence-925m-fund-to...
sypkan wrote:supafreak's question...
anyone but albo
and dutton...
they both represent the absolute worst in both sides of politics in the modern context
I think it's worse than that we are basically in a political desert have been for a while and it seems like USA is also.
Theres a lot of people right now here that are just in denial making all types of excuses for Albo's lies and behaviour, and look i get it i did the same for Scomo.
Your party leader gets voted in and you have these high hopes that they will be that modern classic leader be it another Howard for LNP voters or another Hawk/Keating for Labor voters.
But then the cracks appear and the denial sets in, and crack after crack appear, happened with Scomo and the process is well on the way with Albo.
Albo is just lucky Dutton is opposition leader otherwise he could be making history and be the first one term government in something like 100 years
Who’s the victim here ? https://x.com/dazzawhitmey/status/1785444165092098092?s=46
Supafreak wrote:Who’s the victim here ? https://x.com/dazzawhitmey/status/1785444165092098092?s=46
Jeez..No comment!
Optimist wrote:Shortens been making a mess of Centrelink and the NDIS has meth addicts with “mental health problems “ sucking up the budget so I don’t think he should run a country. Probably need to move the meth heads into a different space.
I had cautious hopes for Albo too but from day 1 it’s “trust my smile” and forget the detail….also that “ please like me “ syndrome he has just like Morrison annoys me.
I like Richard marles though and reckon he would be a good leader with bill chalmers as treasurer. Saw bill hanging with Peter Costello on TV and wouldn’t surprise me if he’s getting some advice from one of the greats…
There are some good players on all sides they just need to care about us and work together….
.. A few hundred thousand cheap blocks of land would be a start and fix housing immediately.
Erm, I think your assessment of the work Shorten has done with the NDIS is incorrect and is Centrelink worse now than the previous government’s management, how many people are under major stress or topping themselves over historic debts real or imagined illegally generated in spite of legal advice.
Recipients could do with a few more bucks possibly.
Supafreak wrote:Who’s the victim here ? https://x.com/dazzawhitmey/status/1785444165092098092?s=46
She got high on her own supply and all we saw was the crash.
well, I'm glad someone put it all together...
at the abc no less
(hint: it's not just about an isolated 'he said she said 'incident)
Sypkan that ABC story says it all …
…and soggy , you must have missed the news lately regarding Centrelink staffing and how they are often uncontactable….imagine being a pensioner or penniless and that happens…….now that’s bills responsibility no one else’s.
Also if you know people working in the NDIS as I do ,you would know how many clients are on expensive programs that shouldn’t be there.
.I think I heard shorten talking about moving a lot of the clients off NDIS and into other programs which actually don’t exist at this point but should soon.
These would be for example heavy drug addiction causing mental health issues and also kids who live on KFC and Maccas and don’t go to school creating an IQ deficiency.
NDIS is great but should be for physically or genetically disabled people …
…at the moment the word disabled is very broad ….and bills bill very high.
Crikey, what a demonstration in how broken the media is in Australia.
No more words......
Unbelievable.
Annabel Crabb should stick to kitchen cabinet, that is not a gender judgement but a journalism judgment.
good heads up @andy,
I won't bother clicking.
Optimist wrote:Sypkan that ABC story says it all …
…and soggy , you must have missed the news lately regarding Centrelink staffing and how they are often uncontactable….imagine being a pensioner or penniless and that happens…….now that’s bills responsibility no one else’s.
Also if you know people working in the NDIS as I do ,you would know how many clients are on expensive programs that shouldn’t be there.
.I think I heard shorten talking about moving a lot of the clients off NDIS and into other programs which actually don’t exist at this point but should soon.
These would be for example heavy drug addiction causing mental health issues and also kids who live on KFC and Maccas and don’t go to school creating an IQ deficiency.
NDIS is great but should be for physically or genetically disabled people …
…at the moment the word disabled is very broad ….and bills bill very high.
Yep all those problems have eventuated in the last 2 years.
Maybe they should bring back a system such as Robodebt to fix it up.... Oh wait....
basesix wrote:good heads up @andy,
I won't bother clicking.
That article included, but was referring to this whole 'lie' saga beat up that now has been shown did not happen.
People claim the politicians in Australia are the main issue, I would argue the media landscape is our number one problem. You cannot have an effective democracy if the population are continually fed bullshit by a powerful foreign owned media company. A situation which then has our public broadcaster just act as an echo chamber for that organisation, not holding it to account as a risk of being accused of not being impartial by that very same organisation.
“ I won’t bother clicking”…. Ha ha…Nice try….yep the truth especially when it’s on the ABC is a bugger ain’t it….and robodebt was labor’s idea….morrison was just the one dumb enough to implement it.
Optimist wrote:“ I won’t bother clicking”…. Ha ha…Nice try….yep the truth especially when it’s on the ABC is a bugger ain’t it….and robodebt was labor’s idea….morrison was just the one dumb enough to implement it.
Again demonstrating you believe what is fed to you by the media, even if evidence to the contrary is just a click away.
Carry on.
Optimist wrote:“ I won’t bother clicking”…. Ha ha…Nice try….yep the truth especially when it’s on the ABC is a bugger ain’t it….and robodebt was labor’s idea….morrison was just the one dumb enough to implement it.
It's on more than the ABC. It's widely known now that it was a beat up, a media lie, and you fell for it.
Words from a fake believer: "Truth is surely a beautiful thing when it shows its lovely face…"
There is no greater religion than truth
Isn’t the ABC part of the global Trusted News Network which seems to be a global propaganda network. Sounds like a bad conspiracy but I think it’s the case.
And Opti, I think you’ll find Shorten has tidied the NDIS up to the tune of about $700 million +/- .
And apparently Putins got his own Bushmaster now.
where's the none truth?
for those not in the albo love club, the dude comes across as aloof and not across his brief...
mr. 'I haven't read it'
and as crabby points out, shows poor judgement too
at that rally he slipped straight into a morrison style me me me sales pitch, when he should hve been showing empathy
cost of living crisis... albo's vibe... don't give a stuff, I 've got a gas cartel to protect... and concerts to attend...
alice springs crisis... fifo albo... hi, hello, gotta go... i got tennis to attend...
the northern beaches independent was just now on abc... '...this governments good at throwing money around and a headline... but... if you haven't done the work..."
sorry, but he's not on top of anything
and, the throwing money around bit
well...
let's not go there
GuySmiley wrote:There is no greater religion than truth
amen
Imagine if all government policy was decided upon in a thumbs up thumbs down fashion in a public forum under the demands of the presenter. What a tripper.
GuySmiley wrote:There is no greater religion than truth
The irony is strong considering…..
look, that chick's on a full power trip...
and, she totally set albo up to fail
but if albo wasn't already in such a flounderer of a position, probably none of it would have happened...
he's looking very trainwreck at the moment, and I'm not sure labor can even sub him out
as he's essentially done nothing wrong, just been very B grade at his job, C grade even...
he's just not very good at it
and it seems the public don't particularly like him too...
a tough position to find oneself in
@Sypkan, read Crabbe's article yesterday. Not interested in her "unpacking" things I saw for myself, much like I have no interest in Speers or Karvalis or the Murdoch grubs on Insiders or the ridiculous Greg Jennet on Afternoon briefing "unpacking" things.
The ABC has been extensively knobbled by the right wing, LNP and Murdoch. Producers and management and on air. Now run by ex Murdoch editor Kim Williams.
Crabbe has made some very poor calls in the recent past. She knows which slant to take to keep the producers and bosses on side and her gig going.
She saw what happened to Emma Alberici.
Her "take" was bullshit. They usually are.
I have a big day at work so have to leave it there for the moment.
I'm sure there will be people here who still think the ABC is a left leaning broadcaster and Crabbe is a "leftie".
It's not, she's not.
I'll be back later today.
I've got plenty more to say about Crabbe, the ABC and this rubbish.
sypkan wrote:a tough position to find oneself in
The most poignant thing typed all week.
What happened to Albo: the set up, the media grilling, and public judgements, is a snapshot of modern politics. We're a polarized nation and getting worse. From here on in every pollie, regardless of charm or persuasion, will face the same punishment and all will emerge with muck on them, damned by people for multiple imaginary failings.
There are many moving parts but the big ones, aside from dumb tribalism, which will always exist, are the rolling cavalcade of media hit jobs fired from the Murdoch/Sky bunker. You don't even have to read them to see how they set the news cycle - the Albo one being a classic case - and even when they're proven to be fictitious it's too late, truth be damned, because people's latent suspicions or prejudices are already fed.
And even if they're not, the 'issue' is a springboard for people, such as yourself, to fire broadsides about other failings which further snowball the fake story into a rolling shitstorm of its own momentum. No longer is it about DV (or climate change, or renewables, or sovereignty, or economy) it's a launchpad for political attacks from the media and public square squabbling from the rabble.
Yesterday someone - seeds? B6? Blackers? - said they like their news a month old and I internally agreed. There is no need to rush to judgement for all these things. The haste serves nothing objective but quenches internal desires that have fuck all to do with the story at hand.
It also greatly diminishes politics and by extension our public life. Yeah, pollies can be self-serving wankers, grandstanders, "no-one gets to the top without character flaws," said Gareth Evans in Tuesdays With Bob, but the more we debase it the worse breed of person we get.
I've already written too much, but fuck it, I'm on a roll. When I began working as a journo, even a lowly surf journo, a journalist I greatly admire had one bit of advice: "Keep asking why."
We live in a big, complex world, and it's getting ever more complicated. It's hard to make sense of, but the greatest mistake is falling for easy answers.
Well said, nail on the head. Who would want to be PM these days, everyone is an expert on everything. I remember pre internet when the plebs actually (gulp) respected the top dog.
sypkan wrote:look, that chick's on a full power trip...
and, she totally set albo up to fail
but if albo wasn't already in such a flounderer of a position, probably none of it would have happened...
he's looking very trainwreck at the moment, and I'm not sure labor can even sub him out
as he's essentially done nothing wrong, just been very B grade at his job, C grade even...
he's just not very good at it
and it seems the public don't particularly like him too...
a tough position to find oneself in
Yep…shoe on the other foot / politician and the same people in here defending Albo would be in raptures and reposting as fast as they could hit send.
Albo and Morrison and Dutton and Wong and Plibersek are all basically the same.
Lefties hate it because they are getting what they have dealt out for years.
Same shit different political party / govt.
southernraw wrote:ahh ok. Yeah i'll reserve my judgement til i know a bit more of the details.
Who's the chick anyway?
Looked like a tough crowd. Unusual to see a political leader be thrust in front of a microphone and cameras in front of such an emotive crowd.
Normally the two are separated for these very reasons. Would be super easy to manipulate this situation politically if you were the opposition.
I thought he handled what would have been a pretty difficult situation to be in with courage and conviction. Not sure how i would have gone in the same situation. Would have been a stuttering mess i reckon!
A wise man once said...:-P
And exactly what u wrote Stu.
…. and the more democratic standards are attacked/diminished the more room is made for autocrats and spivs driven by self interest or some form of ideological or religious dogma. Divide and conquer.
Yes getting your news a month old is a great idea
And that from a Marxist…..ha ha.
stunet wrote:sypkan wrote:a tough position to find oneself in
The most poignant thing typed all week.
What happened to Albo: the set up, the media grilling, and public judgements, is a snapshot of modern politics. We're a polarized nation and getting worse. From here on in every pollie, regardless of charm or persuasion, will face the same punishment and all will emerge with muck on them, damned by people for multiple imaginary failings.
There are many moving parts but the big ones, aside from dumb tribalism, which will always exist, are the rolling cavalcade of media hit jobs fired from the Murdoch/Sky bunker. You don't even have to read them to see how they set the news cycle - the Albo one being a classic case - and even when they're proven to be fictitious it's too late, truth be damned, because people's latent suspicions or prejudices are already fed.
And even if they're not, the 'issue' is a springboard for people, such as yourself, to fire broadsides about other failings which further snowball the fake story into a rolling shitstorm of its own momentum. No longer is it about DV (or climate change, or renewables, or sovereignty, or economy) it's a launchpad for political attacks from the media and public square squabbling from the rabble.
Yesterday someone - seeds? B6? Blackers? - said they like their news a month old and I internally agreed. There is no need to rush to judgement for all these things. The haste serves nothing objective but quenches internal desires that have fuck all to do with the story at hand.
It also greatly diminishes politics and by extension our public life. Yeah, pollies can be self-serving wankers, grandstanders, "no-one gets to the top without character flaws," said Gareth Evans in Tuesdays With Bob, but the more we debase it the worse breed of person we get.
I've already written too much, but fuck it, I'm on a roll. When I began working as a journo, even a lowly surf journo, a journalist I greatly admire had one bit of advice: "Keep asking why."
We live in a big, complex world, and it's getting ever more complicated. It's hard to make sense of, but the greatest mistake is falling for easy answers.
^^ Print this out and put it on your walls.
Yep, we're infinitely better off engaging with a few sober, measured articles of analysis written in due course rather than jumping into the "rolling shitstorm of its own momentum".
At the moment, we're totally being played.
^^^
I don't disagree, but none of that changes the fact albo fucked up...
and it wasn't just a little fuck up
now just imagine if that was morrison...
the reaction would have been ten fold
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.