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frog wrote:

So Stu, maybe before you get on a rant and personally attack individuals on forums, pause and think of what I have written above. You knew nothing of me or my circumstances and my posts were very much on the milder side relative to most in this thread.

...and yet you still caved to the weakest form of justification.

I hope you sort things out, but some of the things written over the weekend - now deleted, all screenshot - were beyond the pale.

At least be a man of your word.

Leave. Take your refund and go. I never want to read another forum page like that on Swellnet.

basesix wrote:

poor look indeed @andy, seems a bozo move, whatever the communications were, to make a chucking-under-the-bus virtue-signal in front of organisers and people who were mid emotive event.

Yeah have rewatched again, and to continue with speech with the lady crying was very poor form.
Reckon he could be cooked.

Ashsams post had the full interview with the woman leading the rally on the Ben fordham show and it’s well worth a listen to hear the full story.

GuySmiley wrote:

^^^ notwithstanding the pisstake factor not sure how that X account nor any of its pet causes could be remotely defended by the very same standards you are holding the PM to, it seems your ideological bias is on display again @sippy

the thing is frownyman...

Im not an overtly censorious cancel culture clown like yourself

I didn't even look at the profile

don't care...

the video doesn't lie

and seriously, do you really think the footage wouldn't have had impact if I didn't post it?

the irrational reactionary demands of the contemporary left knows no bounds...

you live in a dream world dude

you need to get out of your cotton wool encrusted rubber room media bubble from time to time...

some of us call it 'reality'

andy-mac wrote:

basesix wrote:

not sure if this helps @ andy-mac?
https://ministers.pmc.gov.au/gallagher/2024/radio-interview-rn-breakfast

Cheers @base6

Clear as mud. haha
Seems lack of communication more than anything, but not a great look.
Anyway thanks for posting.

from the ALP apologist

"Seems lack of communication more than anything"

almost as tone deaf as Albo is andy. Hilarious.

Just watched the Albo speech.
I thought he held more than his own. Didn't take a backward step and spoke with honesty,
And i don't even particularly like Albo.
Good on him.

GuySmiley wrote:

^^^ sooooo, why post mindless X accounts and how is that helpful to an informed debate?

Funny how you are suddenly concerned about X /twitter post but have never had any issue with countless other twitter post posted by people like Supa & Adam.

Im personally not a fan of these short twitter style post they can be misleading and taken out of context or just nothing more than random opinions.

But in this case I dont think this one could be taken any other way it was clear and long enough to see what happened.

Of course like Sypkan said if this had been Scomo you would have a completely different view on things (as would others).

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

basesix wrote:

not sure if this helps @ andy-mac?
https://ministers.pmc.gov.au/gallagher/2024/radio-interview-rn-breakfast

Cheers @base6

Clear as mud. haha
Seems lack of communication more than anything, but not a great look.
Anyway thanks for posting.

from the ALP apologist

"Seems lack of communication more than anything"

almost as tone deaf as Albo is andy. Hilarious.

Read my comment further down. Hardly being an apologist but hey you carry on.

southernraw wrote:

Just watched the Albo speech.
I thought he held more than his own. Didn't take a backward step and spoke with honesty,
And i don't even particularly like Albo.
Good on him.

He lied.

Apologies @roady but i'm not across the details of that.
I saw him ignoring that chick who was blowing up.
Did he lie to her?
Sorry only half following story as i'm at work.

Still don't really get what he would have got out of lying as he has been accused, and may well be guilty of.
Albo quote.
""We did ask to speak me and Katy, but were told that wasn't possible, but that's fine. I respect the organisers right to do that.""

???

Why the lie??

Did he ask to speak? Is that the lie?
Or that it was denied the lie?

Surely if he officially asked to speak there would be record of it.

Weird

ahh ok. Yeah i'll reserve my judgement til i know a bit more of the details.
Who's the chick anyway?
Looked like a tough crowd. Unusual to see a political leader be thrust in front of a microphone and cameras in front of such an emotive crowd.
Normally the two are separated for these very reasons. Would be super easy to manipulate this situation politically if you were the opposition.
I thought he handled what would have been a pretty difficult situation to be in with courage and conviction. Not sure how i would have gone in the same situation. Would have been a stuttering mess i reckon!

She tells what happened here.

https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/i-run-this-country-pm-accuse...

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

it's another lie to albo's bow...

and political opportunists will focus on that... but really that's all just a bit of 'he said, she said' semantics bullshit...

the problem is the 'optics' of the whole thing, he did look a bit of a bully on the stage, and as andymac said, the way just powered on through when she started crying was not a good look at all

yes it looked an emotive crowd, but the insiders vid I posted and other links above give a glimpse into the context...

albo MIA... until a grandstanding opporunity arises... then he flys in... photo ops... and flys out...

seemingly showing little regard for the real players involved

turning into quite a running theme for albo...

the fordham vid shows why the organiser chick probably got so upset, the dude (albo) shut her down beforehand with the most aggressive, arrogrant, and dismissive of statements...

and albo hasn't even denied her account of the exchange...

seems the record stands

the whole shitshow reeks of privelage, entitlement, aggression, arrogance, bullying, dimissiveness, and ego...

throw in a 'smash her' and we've got albo bingo!

the dude's a massive fraud

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

listen to the lady

she's a large part of the tape

and very clear and confident in her account of events

Hmm maybe @syp.
As i said, i've never been a huge fan of Albo, and there were awkward moments in that speech. But i still maintain i thought he came out of it with his head held high.
Sorry i missed those links you shared. I'm gonna have to check them out later for some context.
I also know that you're a very vocal voice against Labor, universities and the farking ABC, so i'll have to sift through your comment and take that on board.
Sounds like not just he said she said, but also a bit of sypo said too ;-) Which is fine.
Anyway, cheers for filling in a few gaps there. Appreciate it.
edit: If i can listen to the lady anywhere but 2GfknB i will!

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

You and I both Southernraw ......... Ben Fordham, former unconvincing bumbling cub sports reporter for one of the morning shows following in the footsteps of Raaaaaay the man Hadleeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy. 2GB hacks and proof positive there's money to be made with a loud pig arrogant voice in the flithy swill of the unflinching never ever wrong dark side of ideological divide. Chow down.

Irony alert @sippy is talking in terms of reality. Are you rehearsing for the comedy festival? Serious question and all

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

it's just 2 people talking, and your commenting on something you don't even know what happened lol
typical

ashsam wrote:

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

it's just 2 people talking, and your commenting on something you don't even know what happened lol
typical

A 2GB listener calling other people clowns.
The Irony
(I see you changed your comment after i replied.)

sigh...

stay ignorant clown

frownyclown...

Im sure her 'narrative' will make it to one of your preferred just as ideologically compromised outlets soon...

or maybe not

cancelled...

(she was very clear and confident in her account...

albo... word salad - weasal words...)

GuySmiley wrote:

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

You and I both Southernraw ......... Ben Fordham, former unconvincing bumbling cub sports reporter for one of the morning shows following in the footsteps of Raaaaaay the man Hadleeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy. 2GB hacks and proof positive there's money to be made with a loud pig arrogant voice in the flithy swill of the unflinching never ever wrong dark side of ideological divide. Chow down.

Irony alert @sippy is talking in terms of reality. Are you rehearsing for the comedy festival? Serious question and all

If you can't put up with that for 10 mins to hear her side straight from the horses mouth you got issues.
Rather rant and rave about a radio station lol

southernraw wrote:

ashsam wrote:

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

it's just 2 people talking, and your commenting on something you don't even know what happened lol
typical

A 2GB listener calling other people clowns.
The Irony
(I see you changed your comment after i replied.)

hi bozo

I don't mind Fordham he brings up stuff others won't touch, goes into bat for people too, can't stand Hadley was the kind of the vax and still promotes it.

sypkan wrote:

sigh...

stay ignorant clown

frownyclown...

Im sure her 'narrative' will make it to one of your preferred just as ideologically compromised outlets soon...

or maybe not

cancelled...

(she was very clear and confident in her account...

albo... word salad - weasal words...)

Ahh ok, you want to lower yourself to the level of an ashsam.
Noted for future reference.
Tried to be civil.

ashsam wrote:

southernraw wrote:

ashsam wrote:

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

it's just 2 people talking, and your commenting on something you don't even know what happened lol
typical

A 2GB listener calling other people clowns.
The Irony
(I see you changed your comment after i replied.)

hi bozo

I don't mind Fordham he brings up stuff others won't touch, goes into bat for people too, cant stand Hadley

You're not a good egg are you ashsam.
Quite a repulsive human by the sounds of it actually.

dem books is making you find the salient @SR.
winning?

Listening to Fordham...
What were the 5 demands she was insisting he must agree on to talk? That seems to be crux of issue.
The hard hitting journo didn't ask that question.
Sounds like he offered to talk but declined as he would not meet or agree to their demands.
Then he was heckled and decided to talk, he is PM.
Fair and balanced reporting ey.

I see the front page of The Australian is going hard.

southernraw wrote:

sypkan wrote:

sigh...

stay ignorant clown

frownyclown...

Im sure her 'narrative' will make it to one of your preferred just as ideologically compromised outlets soon...

or maybe not

cancelled...

(she was very clear and confident in her account...

albo... word salad - weasal words...)

Ahh ok, you want to lower yourself to the level of an ashsam.
Noted for future reference.
Tried to be civil.

it was 'igborant' clown @ashsam, prior to his edit.

Amazing you two can't differentiate between 'i won't listen to it', and 'i won't listen to it on 2GB.'
And then have the nerve to call others clowns.
Projection much?
Krusty sounds like an apt name for ashsam. In nature and in what he's projecting.
Play on Krusty.

And I see front page of The Australian is going hard as well... Poor fella my country...

sypkan wrote:

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

listen to the lady

she's a large part of the tape

and very clear and confident in her account of events

Please correct me if I have misinterpreted or misunderstood anything Williams said:

In her interview with Ben Fordham, Sarah Williams stated she invited Albo to speak conditional on him accepting five demands. She was advised by Katie Gallagher she was happy to speak on behalf of Government, but neither her nor Albo would commit to any of her demands. Williams then told Gallagher if you (or anyone from the government I assume) were not willing to commit to her demands as a condition of her invitation to speak, she was not comfortable having them speak. Williams again asked Albo at the rally if he was prepared to speak to provide any updates (to Williams’ demands I assume), which he declined. Williams then made it clear if he would not commit to those demands, she would call each demand and point to him in the crowd and ask if he would commit by a “thumbs up/down” gesture. Albo did not respond in the requested fashion and was then heckled, asked why are you here etc. Williams then states she heard Albo wanted to speak and asked the crowd (who obviously agreed).

In my opinion, Albo was not in a position to unilaterally agree to a list of demands as a condition of speaking, therefore was justified in saying it was not possible, despite being invited and offering to speak.

Albo was put in a difficult situation by Williams' demand during her speech for a Julius Caesar style response, and he clearly felt the need to speak to set out what had been done to date and plans for further discussion in the near future.

I also feel Williams’ requirement for an immediate acceptance to her demands was totally unreasonable, and her comment “That’s a lie” was immature and deliberately inflammatory. She would have been wiser to pursue that privately with Albo, but she chose to sensationalise it, much to the delight of the Anti Albo contingent.

southernraw wrote:

Amazing you two can't differentiate between 'i won't listen to it', and 'i won't listen to it on 2GB.'
And then have the nerve to call others clowns.
Projection much?
Krusty sounds like an apt name for ashsam. In nature and in what he's projecting.
Play on Krusty.

A Salty Dog wrote:

sypkan wrote:

southernraw wrote:

haha. There is no way in hell i'll ever listen to anything from 2GB.
Hilarious

listen to the lady

she's a large part of the tape

and very clear and confident in her account of events

Please correct me if I have misinterpreted or misunderstood anything Williams said:

In her interview with Ben Fordham, Sarah Williams stated she invited Albo to speak conditional on him accepting five demands. She was advised by Katie Gallagher she was happy to speak on behalf of Government, but neither her nor Albo would commit to any of her demands. Williams then told Gallagher if you (or anyone from the government I assume) were not willing to commit to her demands as a condition of her invitation to speak, she was not comfortable having them speak. Williams again asked Albo at the rally if he was prepared to speak to provide any updates (to Williams’ demands I assume), which he declined. Williams then made it clear if he would not commit to those demands, she would call each demand and point to him in the crowd and ask if he would commit by a “thumbs up/down” gesture. Albo did not respond in the requested fashion and was then heckled, asked why are you here etc. Williams then states she heard Albo wanted to speak and asked the crowd (who obviously agreed).

In my opinion, Albo was not in a position to unilaterally agree to a list of demands as a condition of speaking, therefore was justified in saying it was not possible, despite being invited and offering to speak.

Albo was put in a difficult situation by Williams' demand during her speech for a Julius Caesar style response, and he clearly felt the need to speak to set out what had been done to date and plans for further discussion in the near future.

I also feel Williams’ requirement for an immediate acceptance to her demands was totally unreasonable, and her comment “That’s a lie” was immature and deliberately inflammatory. She would have been wiser to pursue that privately with Albo, but she chose to sensationalise it, much to the delight of the Anti Albo contingent.

Think you have nailed it Salty....
Well said.

^ Boom ;)

cheers @Salty, have a lovely tea, everybody.

ashsam wrote:

I grew up in a house with DV so have first hand experience.
Bit of a long story but will post it if anyone is seriously interested, don't want to get trashed or looking for sympathy though.

While i sympathise with anyone who lives through that, and....I'm no psychologist, but i'd imagine this might help explain your pretty tedious and tiresome online persona/behaviour that we all are forced to endure.
Maybe online discussion is a bit much for you at this point?

^ Boom ;);)

Thanks Salty.
Well there you go. Facts.

Yep
- some would prefer to run and hide

https://m.

So can we expect the people screaming about Albo lying apologize now for taking whole thing out of context???
Trial by X ey... No context just attack...

ashsam wrote:

She tells what happened here.

https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/i-run-this-country-pm-accuse...

Cheers, good to hear from her what happened, clearly he just never expected her to call him out like that.

The verdict

indo-dreaming wrote:

ashsam wrote:

She tells what happened here.

https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/i-run-this-country-pm-accuse...

Cheers, good to hear from her what happened, clearly he just never expected her to call him out like that.

The verdict

@indo
Listen again and read the above post by @salty.
Then try and apply a little critical thinking which I know is not really your thing.
He declined to meet the organizers demands to agree on 5 points that was a condition of him speaking.

indo-dreaming wrote:

ashsam wrote:

She tells what happened here.

https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/i-run-this-country-pm-accuse...

Cheers, good to hear from her what happened, clearly he just never expected her to call him out like that.

The verdict

https://m.

indo-dreaming wrote:

ashsam wrote:

She tells what happened here.

https://omny.fm/shows/ben-fordham-full-show/i-run-this-country-pm-accuse...

Cheers, good to hear from her what happened, clearly he just never expected her to call him out like that.

The verdict

https://m.

southernraw wrote:

ashsam wrote:

I grew up in a house with DV so have first hand experience.
Bit of a long story but will post it if anyone is seriously interested, don't want to get trashed or looking for sympathy though.

While i sympathise with anyone who lives through that, and....I'm no psychologist, but i'd imagine this might help explain your pretty tedious and tiresome online persona/behaviour that we all are forced to endure.
Maybe online discussion is a bit much for you at this point?

No that was over 40 years ago and all forgiven, no lasting issues on my behalf.

My old man was a muso had his own band and along with that playing in pubs/clubs ended up an alcoholic.
Used to go on benders for days and Mum and us 3 kids would have to leave to grandparents house or motels, Still remember Mum stabbing him with a knife to defend herself.
When we got into our teens my brother and I used to try and beat him up lol. Brother was into karate.
When he was sober he was hard but you could have thought he was a normal every day father.
Thinking back on it was probably the pressures of life, lost business/music shops, house, money issues etc, and the grog masked it but unfortunately took it out on the family. Back then there would of been no help maybe.
Mum stuck with him and they were married for 58 years till she passed 2 years ago.
I left home at 16 he was 39 then.

When he was 40 he became a Christian and never touched grog again, he’s 83 now and I would say he’s my best mate believe it or not. He lives 5 hours away but we talk or message every day. He has been the best loving/ generous father, grandfather ever since.
My wife knows but have never told my kids as don’t want to tarnish their view on him.
So people can change and people can forgive.

Sorry if I have offended you SR.

Thanks for sharing ashsam. Pretty full on.
Glad alls well now. Good on you for offering up that forgiveness. That's pretty epic.
And, no probs. It's mostly shits and giggles, with a mind to trying to be respectful.
But appreciate that.
Cheers.

ashsam wrote:

southernraw wrote:

ashsam wrote:

I grew up in a house with DV so have first hand experience.
Bit of a long story but will post it if anyone is seriously interested, don't want to get trashed or looking for sympathy though.

While i sympathise with anyone who lives through that, and....I'm no psychologist, but i'd imagine this might help explain your pretty tedious and tiresome online persona/behaviour that we all are forced to endure.
Maybe online discussion is a bit much for you at this point?

No that was over 40 years ago and all forgiven, no lasting issues on my behalf.

My old man was a muso had his own band and along with that playing in pubs/clubs ended up an alcoholic.
Used to go on benders for days and Mum and us 3 kids would have to leave to grandparents house or motels, Still remember Mum stabbing him with a knife to defend herself.
When we got into our teens my brother and I used to try and beat him up lol. Brother was into karate.
When he was sober he was hard but you could have thought he was a normal every day father.
Thinking back on it was probably the pressures of life, lost business/music shops, house, money issues etc, and the grog masked it but unfortunately took it out on the family. Back then there would of been no help maybe.
Mum stuck with him and they were married for 58 years till she passed 2 years ago.
I left home at 16 he was 39 then.

When he was 40 he became a Christian and never touched grog again, he’s 83 now and I would say he’s my best mate believe it or not. He lives 5 hours away but we talk or message every day. He has been the best loving/ generous father, grandfather ever since.
My wife knows but have never told my kids as don’t want to tarnish their view on him.
So people can change and people can forgive.

Sorry if I have offended you SR.

Heavy story. I'm glad your dad came good and you now have a positive relationship. Alcohol can be such a evil drug.
DV is a horrible thing.

reckon you've offended a few here, @ashsam, and I reckon you should look deeper than banal forgiveness from strangers.. just my opinion.

being rude to BD and then chumming up with testimony.. that's now up to atheist BD to think on and decide re forgiveness, seems he has given you a probationary pass. Good on you, well done.

We've witnessed you honing in on perceived insecurities and mocking people’s age, girth, orientation, motivation, alcohol consumption, how they sign their names.. there's a lot there mate. May you unpack your shit in a real way that doesn't affect the next generation.. love to you, @ashsam, I mean that.

I reckon you're prolly a bit of a charming bully in life, and you prey on weakness in others, and lock it in as best you can, and snidely use it casually in passing, and get away with seeming like you're a real nice guy. And if you actually do go to an evangelical church, well, I reckon I know a couple of people just like you. I understand it comes from knowing what it feels like to feel powerless. Allll this kinda shit always does.

May your God forgive you, and may we all get on better with the nice people that make up Swellnet.

edit: actually, BD is probably more agnostic

Amen to that @basesix from my atheist abode on this side of the wide brown land.