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and this...
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1347984418338701314
this fear is actually bigger than the other one thinking about it... as it facillitates the other one...
amongst a whole heap of other nastyness
He’ll be the second president in a row to be obsessed with Obama’s legacy then?
I think biden is a part of the war machine
not due to being ideologically a war monger
but due to being so ideologically bereft of any standards and nouse that he is the most pathetic choice of compromised average politicians the democrats could have possibly made
I'm seeing a pattern...
Indo,
Where's your idea of nuance?
'Thats the real problem the fact that the authorities dont take these anarchist seriously and just let them do as they wish.'
The police don't take it seriously?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/george-floyd-killing-pol...
10,000 arrests and that was back in June, I'm sure they made loads more since then.
'should have been spraying the crowd with rubber bullets like they should have BLM & Antifa.'
This too, is nonsense mate and you know it.
....and how many of those 'arrests' were released the very next day? ...if not the same day?
only to be back on the street the following night, back to the burning, looting, and bashing, due to the kamala harris corporate legal fund, that gave them a hall pass and encouragment to continue their 'violent' protest...
violent is clearly my word, but that is what it was by any objective standard, violence to a level above and beyond anything the MAGA crowd achieved
I seriously find it offensive to anyone's intelligence that some of you guys think the MAGA crowd have been more violent
you didn't see the blazing fires of the 'mostly peaceful protesters'? (cnn)
the attempts to burn down apartment blocks and police stations with people still inside?
the cars and SUVs plowing into crowds of police officers?
the grandma getting beaten to the ground by young men with sticks in their hands?
...old mate and his mates used to throw around 'false equivelance' a lot, so much so it lost all meaning and I avoid it like the plague.... but geez I'm seeing a lot of it here...
Yeah , yeah , yeah . I know what you think of zero hedge. But please just for a second pretend that you can objectively assess information yourself and give it a read . I’m not into any specific predictions arising from anything here but I think the general direction is probably very true.
More societal control, not less is where we are headed.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/here-it-comes-patriot-act-20-aimed-u...
Sypkan,
I'm pointing out the inconsistencies in Indo's comparison. Rather than attempting to make my own.
Got a citation for this one "encouragment to continue their 'violent' protest" could you do it to the same standards Blowin applies to saying Trump incited violence too please. It'd be really staggeringly stupid to have wildly varying standards by which to judge such things wouldn't it.
Do you mean this police station Sypkan?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/boogaloo-bois-member-charged-attack-minn...
'violent is clearly my word, but that is what was. violence to a level above and beyond anything the MAGA crowd achieved'
Sure, I'd agree with you - at this point. But the MAGA guys are only just getting started aren't they.
'you didn't see the blazing fires of the 'mostly peaceful protesters'? (cnn)'
Yeah, of course I saw that Sypkan. What we are missing (as per usual) is nuance and context. Where those shots were taken were there 100,000 people protesting peacefully and a few hundred rioting and burning shit down? If so, then yeah, you could call it 'mostly peaceful'.
I'd describe the other day at the capitol as 'mostly peaceful' looked to me like there were 10's of thousands of people outside, rowdy, but not breaking shit. And a few hundred inside, rioting, breaking shit and threatening people. That's 'mostly peaceful' to me.
Jeez syppo, poor Candice and the 'CONservatives' are losing their free pass to have their 'voices heard'. Let's sue!
"so they hatched a plan to silence me and all of us conservatives..."
Give us a break.
The big Techs can do what they want in terms of deleting accounts and banning others. It's called Terms and conditions, and in a capitalist society, corporations can do whatever they want as they are private enterprises. If this was a government doing the censorship then they would have a case.
Honestly, the right are always the first to talk tough, but when things don't go their way they quickly morph into whiny little victims.
There's always Newsmax and Briebart and fark knows what else where they can share their hatred for all things socialist.
US flag at half mast I'm hearing just now.. Not sure yet, but what is clear:
Insurrection Act of 1807
'Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 USC and S254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse'
Step 1 ticked off days ago..
Yeah boys, make sure you’re not exercising your democratic right to protest while Indo is on the road. Apparently pedestrians deserve to get run over.
West,
It's interesting isn't it, one of the key 'principles' of conservatives was supposed to be freedom for companies and such to choose what they publish or promote.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/01/10/trump-twitter-ban-christensen...
George Christensen wants the government to control what these private companies publish.
These principles crumble away to dust when it seems like it might not benefit them don't they.
Isn't Candace Owens that big prawn that thinks the Nazi's were socialists?
OK Blowin, I read the Guardian link. Credit where due, Biden was a lot more involved in pushing the Bush agenda through the Congress than I was aware, but you were. You get a biscuit. I don't.
There are so many examples of Trumpers intimidation of other citizens Indo it’s not funny, from tiki torch carrying white supremacists to trump supporters surrounding a Biden campaign convoy.
Indo, try just a little not to be so one eyed mate. Both sides have been poorly behaved and equivocation is just an attempt to justify a retaliatory response.
I don’t need anymore biscuits. Currently living like a Labrador with an ever full food bowl . There’s something about my psych which needs to find rock bottom before I can stage the big comeback montage scene.
Think Occy on the couch with his quarter chicken ,chips and six pack exploring the realms of human physical expansion.
"Sure, I'd agree with you - at this point. But the MAGA guys are only just getting started aren't they."
yep, and we can expect 7 months of it before they even come close to catching up...
"...has been charged with participating in a riot after he allegedly shot 13 rounds from an AK-47 style assault rifle into a Minneapolis Police Department building during the civil unrest following the death of George Floyd in late May."
I hate to play semantics jq, but 'participating' is kimd of a key word there...
antifa tried to burn the cop shop down when the cops were still inside, the attempts to burn it down continued for many nights from memory, I'm sure the police snuck out the back door after the first attempt, but that doesn't excuse the intent...
they also attemped to burn down a mayor's apartment building, full with all sorts of people no doubt, a democrat mayor who refused to submit to their demands, failure, and a democrat mayor does not excuse the intent...
so because it's candace owens and a 'CONservative' that means it's not important hey? ...a 'person of colour' by the way...
the important thing in that vid is who are these supposed 'fact checkers'. who pays for them? ...and who benefits from their fact checking?
the 'fact' you have no issue with them being sponsored by big tech. and a ccp affiliated company is very telling...
there are bigger forces at work here westof, not least big tech. trying to protect their chinese peasant factories and their already planned and hugely invested in wuhan surveillance state
mate, you give these guys a free run and any semblance of democracy, free speech, and the 'free world' is doomed... no I am not being overly dramatic...
Sypkan,
'the important thing in that vid is who are these supposed 'fact checkers'. who pays for them? ...and who benefits from their fact checking?
the 'fact' you have no issue with them being sponsored by big tech. and a ccp affiliated company is very telling...
there are bigger forces at work here westof, not least big tech. trying to protect their chinese peasant factories and their already planned and hugely invested wuhan surveillance state
mate, you give these guys a free run and any semblance of democracy, free speech, and the 'free world' is doomed... no I am not being overly dramatic...'
What's the above about, you've totally lost me there.
read some of the stuff glenn greenwald has said about big tech. censorship, he's hardly a CONservative...
the fact that twitter censors donald trump and allows the ccp, ayatollah khomeini, and various other dictators free rein to spread their propaganda should concern everyone...
ffs even putin's main opposition has made the same point....
TBH Sypkan, I don't know a whole lot about the things those companies are removing from their services.
I just find the conflict between the principal of free speech, which includes the rights of these private companies to pick and choose what they publish and the desires of conservatives to have free reign amusing. They are private companies and anything they publish is at their discretion.
I can understand why twitter and fb removed Trumps accounts, their justification is in my opinion perfectly rational. They don't want their systems to be used to incite further violence. I don't think it will actually help calm anything down in the real world, possibly even the opposite, but it does seem to reduce their exposure.
Either the conservatives want to stand steadfast behind their free speech rhetoric and concede that private companies can choose what they publish or they can back away from their concept of free speech.
so no harm in the ccp justifying their genocide of uygher people uncensored on the platform but donald trump is 'dangerous'?
hypocrisy much?!
mate there are way bigger forces at work
it's about 'the lefts' proclivities to no platform anything they see as 'dangerous'. ...how the academia MO has seeped into the news, media, entertainment business industrial complex...
it's about significant people quitting the nyt...
Its about greg greenwald being purged from his own publication...
its about all the stuff vj subtlely rattles on about. ...the.... must adhere to the 'theocracy'... and all dissent will be quashed...
it's against all the principles that have made western style democracies so successful and the role of 'the fourth estate'
it's seeping and creeping, and the democrats love it!
'so no harm in thr ccp justifying their genocide of uygher people uncensored on the platform but donald trump is 'dangerous'?'
Not my argument buddy.
The rest of that is some high strength swivel eyed nonsense right there sypkan. Too much zerohedge for you.
ok
I hardly ever read it btw...
and this ain't neccesarily their trip
15th May 2019 - President Trump - Sanctions (Current)
Executive Order 13873
[Securing the Information & Communications Technology & Services Supply Chain]
Bans American companies from using any telecommunications equipment that the secretary of commerce declares to be a national security risk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_emergencies_in_the_United...
[f] +(t) Threatening & blocking US President's National Emergency Alerts (Current)
Right! That's one almighty Sanction on you slimy little turds.
Whole crew would salute & applaud Trump if he took down [f] + (t) with him.
Just do it, go out in style...be a real people's Hero...Drain the Social Swamp!
Reckon more than half of the Dems would also vote for that & return him to office!
Never said it was a good plan, just pray he presses the button on Ungodly Gromz.
Definitely agree with him that those big social media companies should be split up. Their concentration of power is not healthy for our societies.
"...and how many of those 'arrests' were released the very next day? ...if not the same day?
only to be back on the street the following night, back to the burning, looting, and bashing, due to the kamala harris corporate legal fund, that gave them a hall pass and encouragment to continue their 'violent' protest..."
Yep this 100%
Crazy world, same kind of thing happens in Australia with radical protestors and those ones that break into farms, they get a slap on the wrist time after time and are back out there the next week doing the same thing and any fines are paid by organisations who crowd fund.
The system is completely broken.
"There are so many examples of Trumpers intimidation of other citizens Indo it’s not funny, from tiki torch carrying white supremacists to trump supporters surrounding a Biden campaign convoy.
Indo, try just a little not to be so one eyed mate. Both sides have been poorly behaved and equivocation is just an attempt to justify a retaliatory response."
Reality is like it or not BLM/Antifa have been causing havoc for months, trumpers conservatives whatever just havent done anything near the same damage it wouldn't even be like 10% of the havoc the far left have caused maybe not even 5% or even 1%
This capitol thing is the big exception.
I think if we are all honest we were all expecting violence to break out when Biden won, but it didnt happen.
On the flip side in 2016 when Trump won there was protest straight away and again some turned violent, again Portland was the hot spot with cars windows smashed, shop fronts smashed, street fires, police declared it a riot.
Then there was the Oakland riots
"these protests became violent, with protesters lighting trash cans and cars and a building on fire and smashing store windows and throwing bottles at police. Thirty protesters were arrested, and three officers were injured."
As far as censoring Trump goes , there is precedent in the Supreme Court...
Good one indo.
“Thirty protesters were arrested, and three officers were injured."
Oakland riots were at least half as violent as DC! Great example!
I don’t even know if you can actually characterise the basis of the violence and property damage in the BLM riots as partisan. Perhaps more socio-economic.
Another point indo, how many far-left terrorist plots have been disrupted this year in the US and Oz? Any idea?
Start here: https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states
If it’s all a bit TL:DR here’s a cut from the exec summary:
This analysis makes several arguments. First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.
So, take your “far left is more violent” gobbledegook back. It’s BS.
Here’s another one: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/10/27/in-america-far-right...
Pack that one in whatever crackpipe you’re sucking on.
ABC - ‘Capitol Protesters stole congress laptops’ hahahahaha
Reality - it was a sting operation. Laptops have been seized for forensic examination. Bet there was some interesting comms happening mid meeting..
Um Etrip not sure how you missed the point?
But the point was it's taken weeks and a huge build and a let's be honest egging on from Trump to have decent negative incident from Trumpers.
Not at all what any of us expected, we all expected Trumpers to riot the day Biden was elected ...can we agree on that?
However in 2016 straight after Trump was elected some protest like the examples i gave Portland and Oakland turned into riots.
You can put you head in the sand but that is the reality, i guess its because the left are more into protest and and when you get large groups of emotionally charged people together there is always the risk of a protest turning to a riot.
And as we have seen all through 2020 there is also a decent number of people on the far left who are prone to rioting, looting, and let's face it seem to love burning shit down.
We are not just talking individuals or small groups we are talking large groups of people and not just the odd case, but in some areas like Portland happened almost every night for months.
BTW. From your article the number of " terrorist plots and attacks in the United States between January 1994 and May 2020 was 893" that's 26 years and the article doesn't even say how many actually happened and how many were just planned, you would expect most never even happened and then not all were far right wing.
So the way you are looking at things is crazy there would literally be thousands of Antifa/BLM people in the USA just this year that have participated in acts of violence, either against other people, burning shit down, smashing stuff up, or throwing stuff at the police, we even had them take over whole blocks.
And then just one of these thousands of far left Antifa/BLM looneys could have done a number of criminal acts a night and then possible gone out doing it all a few times a week for months.
So sorry your logic is completely flawed.
Also it should be noted the attacks from the far left are often without any logic we aren't just talking police stations or government buildings we are talking ordinary peoples business and private property being burnt down buildings and cars and ironically even businesses owned by coloured people.
BTW. any figures of far right attacks or planned attacks are misleading because these days any individual or small groups of people that does something like a bombing or shooting if they aren't Muslim are labeled far right and always white supremest, if Martin Bryant happened now or any gunman shooting in Australia they would all be labeled far right its just a label the media love.
still peddling it up hill info?
or this
I was going to reply to you Indo, then I realised it’s really a waste of my time.
But just in case I decide to attend any type of civil demonstrations, for the safety of the general public can we have the make, model and colour of your car, I’d hate to get run over.
but with intellects like this on your side of an argument ..........
Sorry guy but if you have a good look at the footage there was quite a few people of colour there which is no surprise as conservative views are actually very common among many minority groups in all Western countries.
If you watch the footage of the women being shot only about 2 metres away is a dark skinned man, he appear's African Amercian but could be a darker skin latino or of mixed race, he was kicking at the door trying to smash it down nd has a Trump cap on, so to be up the front must be pretty full on Trumper.
Anyway when you have nothing to say memes are great.
Info don’t want 2021 to get off to a bad start between us but memes are an excellent way of calling out tripe as, you know, the same old tripe.
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Indo, not sure if I’ve missed the point or if you’ve hidden your point somewhere.
You claimed that the far left is more violent than the far right. I’ve countered that with a couple of reputable sources showing that the threat of terrorism (you know, violence perpetrated in support of an ideology) is both historically and contemporarily more prevalent on the far right (and increasing). Your nice semantic sidetracks about what constitutes violence still don’t address this issue.
Closer to home: https://www.asio.gov.au/australias-security-environment-and-outlook.html
They’ve forgotten to put the threat of leftists in there! Just like the FBI in the US has. Better get on the phone hey.
You couldn't make this stuff up...
@Etarip 1.38pm
Yeah I might have to back peddle on the defence spending thing.
I think.
I'm not sure if Trump increased defence spending or not.
Neither's he.
"The Trump administration, after achieving large increases in the U.S. defense budget during its first two years in office, has—to say the least—sent conflicting signals regarding its preferences for defense spending for the next fiscal year.
After initially announcing plans for continued growth from $716 billion in fiscal year 2019 to $733 billion in 2020, President Trump directed the Department of Defense (DoD) to plan instead for reductions to a $700 billion budget.
In early December 2018, Trump went as far as to call current levels of U.S. defense spending “crazy,” only to announce plans for a $750 billion defense budget just a week later. "
Clear as mud.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/quality-over-quantity-u-s-military-st...
Trump...
Refused to call Nat Guard ( Dems / Pence begged & did so without Trump )
Refused to lower Flags at half mast ( Dems kept begging) Days after he relented.
Refused to call victims Families ( Dems / Pence begged & did so without Trump )
Big on Death & Destruction, but fans rate Trump as one of the nicer Bond Villains.
Capital Hill has resulted in 6 deaths {R.I.P}
2 cops + 2 men 50y'o / 55y'o + 2 Women 34y'o / 35y'o off duty Army security
(Delay in shooting charges > Law is looking at fitting up shooting on the Rioters!)
Rioters - 5 Hospital + 1 Critical
Cops - 15 Hospital + 56 injured
Arrests -More than 120 + (No Flight List for Trump's furniture removalists)
Ivanka's daughter tweeted the mob were American Patriots.(Press delete DELETE!)
*MAGA had 4 hours Free Spy time & Security Codes access.
The mucking about we see were the decoys...while inside gang dodged / cut cams.
This was clearly an inside job > draws unlocked? > Memo notes with arrows?.
Many Pollies Lap Tops (Nancy's) were stolen + National Security Agendas.
All Voting agenda was clearly seen on desks & seats...(None wanna mention this!)
Pence's job is to guard Votes but he was bundled into a separate room from votes.
Archives & Copies are held if originals are corrupted > (US #1 Vote Breach ever!)
He also is the only one who flew out of US the very next day...that's another story!
Several Military Lap Tops were taken > Military had to shut down SIPRNet
SIPRNet is Trump's hotline to Dutto's (5-Eyes)
MAGA are pissing themselves eyeballing Dutto's 5th Eye...( Oz security breach! )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRNet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol
MAGA are now in control of Stuart Robert's Biometric Vax Rollout.
MAGA program which sleeve Aussie's have to roll up for our shot of Cooties.
No! tbb has not heard of Oz PM Security Response to the breach...(Anyone?)
US Security are now doing Bug Sweeps of Capital Hill...
Angry White Men shouted their Masks off at 2021 #1 Superspreader event.
Rep Stats: 45% supported Riots / 43% Against / 52% Say riot was Biden's fault.
Crew & whole world already knew those stats...don't know why tbb shared that?
Trump: " I know your Pain, I know you're Hurt.
But you have to go home now...We love you, you're very special.
(Trump's Swansong was reportedly lifted from Wacko Jacko's Tour Diary)
Andy - ha, you’re right. clear as mud.
There’s Defense spending and then there’s the (additional) cost of overseas military adventures. He has been consistent in wanting to reduce those.
That was pretty funny.
Ha.
@etarip
Your logic is absolutely crazy, in your mind the right are more dangerous because they are more prone to super super rare terrorist style attacks? (noting most in those figures are planned but rarely ever conducted)
Meanwhile you COMPLETELY ignore the fact that just last year in the USA far left groups rioted for months on end thousands of them, burned police stations, burned pubic buildings, burned cars, burned down peoples businesses, smashed shop windows, looted business, throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at police, taking over whole blocks and yeah there was violence towards the police and anyone that got in their way or opposed them.
Oh but they aren't included yeah?
It's only terrorism that is important?
Not sure how they decide what is terrorism and what is not, but the definition is
"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."
Antifa sure fit this description, but yeah it would be virtually impossible to document every act.
@ Blowin
Ryan Long is a legend check his videos out on Youtube, he takes the piss out of both sides left and right and everyone else, nothing at all is off limits, the shit he does and says and manages to do without even a smile is super funny.
Reposted here so easier to check out
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank