Climate Change
Late nomination for 2021 Fruitcake award from VL - 'Fair Dinkum, we are being governed by the biggest pack of crooked cunts the country has ever seen. Anyone still voting for the LNP is either A) not paying attention or B) a fucking moron.' First he wants Pauline dead and now he says that more than half of the Australian population are stupid. Way to go Vic.
@D-Rex,
Did you not see point A?
Those cherry picking one off events to support a view are being naïve .
"Craig -Syracuse record temp . When was the last record ? I would expect many temps to be at records as we continue to move away from the Ice Age approx 10k years ago . When the Earth then moves into a new Ice Age I would expect them to drop ." A previous post .
Here are a few countries highest recorded temps dates . Bosnia 1910 , Ireland 1887 , Poland 1921 and Sweden 1947 .
Craig- CO2 at 400 p/m must be the gas that is the smallest of the greenhouse gases ( I am not sure as I am no expert ) . Have you looked at Vanta Black ( takes one minute ) to SEE how small 400 p/m is ?
I support Fracking if done by the book . Anyone using inside info to benefit should have the book thrown at them . EVERY mining project has to go through certain stages that require permitting .
To drill a hole ( diamond drilling produces cores that provide a lot of information and are expensive ) you need a permit . Most commodities are hard to find ( needle in a hay stack eg oil , gold , rare earths etc ) but some ( iron ore , coal , shale ) once you have one drill hole find them they spread out for miles . The people who put down the drill holes take a lot of risk with their own money and investors money . IF they find something and confirm with more holes they do a pre feasibility study . Lots of money and requires a brief view of environmental and cultural impacts . The local , state and Federal departments that judge these projects LOVE to find problems . They believe it is their job and most projects will take 5-10 years to get through the process which is a big disincentive as time is money ( many small companies can not afford this ) . If the pre feasibility study stacks up they move to feasibility study which requires detailed information on the economics of a project and its impacts ( much more money and a lot more drill holes ) . If this then stacks up they go to a Bankable Feasibility Study . This will require contracts eg Off Take Agreements . For example , a group that wants to mine Lithium will sign an agreement with Tesla that will guarantee the producer that Tesla with take X amount over Y years at Z prices . This allows the company to go to other investors eg banks , to raise the money to build the project ( creating lots of jobs ). When they finally build the project they are required to do ongoing environmental studies and report ANYTHING that goes amiss eg RIO blowing up scared sites . When people say in the future that we should not sell our commodities to overseas companies , at agreed prices , as we here are paying more here eg GAS we are breaking contracts that investor's expected to be honoured . Otherwise they would NEVER have put the money in . These investors can be large companies like Tesla and even counties like Japan .
ANY fracking project has to go through the above . The to get a permit they are checked with a fine toothed comb for implications to water reservoirs and any chemicals they use . Chemicals are required to make the coal or shale more porous . All oil and gas is encased in rock with different porosity , never in pools . Millions of years ago ( when CO2 levels were very high ) organic matter became encased . Sandstone does not normally need to be fracked but coal and shale does . Chemicals are used in nearly all industries and regulators have the latest technology to avoid the mistakes of the past .
Gladstone Coal Seam gas project , paid for by Japanese investors , has provided thousands of jobs and millions of dollars to individual Australians and State and Federal Governments .
100% D-Rex
How self righteous is it to think just because people don't vote the way they do they aren't paying attention, but a comment like that is no surprise from VL, personally i don't take many of his comments seriously.
Or people like Andy who think an economy can last long term without growth, id love to see an example of a country that has achieved this long term.
Anyway the best thing is we live in a democracy and we all get a say, you might think you are right and the majority are wrong and think you are clever making some lame comment on a forum, but end of the day the beauty is the majority rule, personal i think LNP do a better job than Labor, but im still 100 times more happy to have Labor as the alternative rather than a party like the Greens, especially when Labor even if they get in next election will have to move back more towards what i view as the centre on many issues.
@Hutchy 19
No offence i say this nicely, please hit return, its so hard to read when its just endless text with no gaps.
hey info, are dandy markets closed today ...
You have used that one so many times now, it's honestly now just pure cringe.
Thanks for the good advice Indo . As a newbie it is appreciated .
I beg to differ lil buddy, it’s quality rolled gold comedy that will never die hehe
Yeah well i guess, small minds are easily amused.
Greenhouse gases include water vapour, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone and some artificial chemicals such as chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs).
Methane is an important trace gas in Earth's atmosphere. Even though it only makes up 0.00017% (1.7 parts per million by volume) of the the atmosphere, methane traps a significant amount of heat, helping the planet remain warm and habitable.21 Feb 2005
At any one instant, the Earth's atmosphere contains 37.5 million-billion gallons of water vapor – enough to cover the entire surface of the planet with 1 inch of rain if condensed. This amount is recycled, through evaporation powered by the Sun, 40 times each year in what is known as the hydrologic cycle.
At any one instant, the Earth's atmosphere contains 37.5 million-billion gallons of water vapor – enough to cover the entire surface of the planet with 1 inch of rain if condensed. This amount is recycled, through evaporation powered by the Sun, 40 times each year in what is known as the hydrologic cycle.
ATMOSPHERIC WATER VAPOR. Water vapor varies by volume in the atmosphere from a trace to about 4%. Therefore, on average, only about 2 to 3% of the molecules in the air are water vapor molecules.
Water vapor is known to be Earth’s most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.
After a tiny bit of research I am astounded that not only CO2 but ALSO Methane make up such a small percentage of greenhouse gases . I will not worry about cows farting or methane explosions from the Tundra thawing any more . I do not like humidity though but cannot bring myself to stop visiting places were it is high as they have good waves and warm water .
Thats better thanks Hutchy
Methane is a real interesting one, you often hear how bad it is as a green house gas which is kind of true, but there is also other aspects to methane rarely mentioned.
The big one is it completely breaks down within 9 to 12 years, so if today no more methane was produced by humans or naturally in 12+ years it would be all gone from the atmosphere.
Opposed to C02 that takes thousands of years to break down.
So when they say its 25 to 85 times more potent, thats based of day one, if you looked at say six years in it would be much lower.
However i believe a very small amount of C02 is produce as it breakdown but my understanding is the amount is pretty insignificant.
Im surprised this is rarely talked about.
Talked about a bit in this article
Earth's atmosphere is composed of about 78 percent nitrogen, 21 percent oxygen, 0.9 percent argon, and 0.1 percent other gases. Trace amounts of carbon dioxide, methane, water vapor, and neon are some of the other gases that make up the remaining 0.1 percent.22 Oct 2019
Without knowing it could be nitrogen , oxygen and argon that are causing Global Warming and not the many other factors like the sun . Maybe they should be demonised as CO2 ( plant food ) ? . Just in case I will try and breath more today .
Indo Dreamin, Japan's economy hasn't grown in any meaningful way for about 30 years and the country is still doing fine. During this time Australia's economy has expanded more or less non stop.
How much of this economic growth actually benefits you or other ordinary Australians? Real wage growth over the past 20+ years seems anaemic. People don't seem much happier.
Sacrificing the environment for economic growth is shortsighted.
Thanks Indo for the article .
My first thought was what a waste of time and money doing all this work on something that is SO insignificant . It is a GREAT example though of the waste of time , money and scaring the younger generation about CO2 and how it will lead to the end of the world . The little bit of work I have done due to this tread has convinced me MORE than ever how stupid this issue REALLY is .
Definitely a tactic being used by the WEF and UN to gain power by convincing the masses that ONLY they have the solutions to fix a ( non existent ) problem . A tactic used by ALL tyrants .
Indo dreaming, oxidation of methane to CO2 is the largest methane sink in the atmosphere.
https://www.eci.ox.ac.uk/research/energy/downloads/methaneuk/chapter02.pdf
Japans economy has still been growing 0.44% since 1980 this is still growth, but the thing is it's so large that it doesnt need as fast rate of growth as many other countries
125 million people and a GDP of over 5 trillion, worlds third largest consumer market.
The problem with countries like Australia is lots of things like manufacturing aren't sustainable because of our low population, so you need to export it, but our high wages mean we can't compete on many things, resources are different because they are something only few countries have and quality ad accessibility changes.
And then people want high wage growth, i mean seriously we have the second highest min wage in the world was the highest in the world a few years ago, best way to send more jobs offshore is higher wage growth, and one day companies are going to also wake up to the reality that their is millions of people in Asia who can do your job done from an office or home much much cheaper.
I dont think you can judge people's overall happiness, you need to base these things on things you can measure properly like life overall health and life expediency rates, employment rates, wealth etc
No need to sacrifice the environment Australia has some of the strictest environmental regulation in the world.
Fair crack of the whip info, it wasn’t my mind consumed with lust and envy at the dandy markets, ‘‘twas yours lil buddy ... and, and you proudly declared it so here of all places.
Economic growth over the last 400 years has lead to MANY benefits to humans . Just look at how China has grown since adopting capitalism in the last 30 years . Higher life expectance , less starving , declining birth rates etc etc .
Happiness levels and real wage growth are complex issues . Comparing their levels over 20 years in Australia with world economic growth over 400 hundred years is way to simplistic Arcadia .
Arcadia . Economic growth has been the MAIN reason real wages have increased around the world . Many issues affect real wage increases like inflation but the strongest correlation is with productivity increases .
GuySmiley wrote:Fair crack of the whip info, it wasn’t my mind consumed with lust and envy at the dandy markets, ‘‘twas yours lil buddy ... and, and you proudly declared it so here of all places.
lust and envy??....what the fuck are you on about?...
There is no lust or envy involved or anything of a sexual nature etc, it was just a random thought i shared, from a moment while i sat there bored waiting for my missus.
The story is in this thread https://www.swellnet.com/forums/politico/307178?page=63
Towards the bottom of the page but anyone who can be bothered reading it, please read the whole page for context and the next page (and god re reading that page wasn't Shanter aka Facto one hell of a tool)
Yeah i get that my random thought might seem a bit out there for someone like yourself that his clearly pretty vanilla and rarely if ever lets their guard down and shares a story, but really whats weirder is your obsession with a post from Aug 2017, four years on you are still banging on about it???
It's only annoying because you are basically just trolling me, going off topic trying to get under my skin, and trying to make the story/thought out to be something that it's not, when im not really interested in some back and forth bitch fest, id much rather debate about something relevant to the current conversation.
I mean dude ive shared stories here about shitting on my own pants as a grown man, do you really think i care if people think that story is a bit out there.
Sunday 14th on this page for that story https://www.swellnet.com/comment/715911
hey lil buddy thanks I'd forgotten you had boasted about that time you shat your pants, packed your dacks, followed through in a wet sort of way whilst in a drunken stupor rolling around in someone's front garden. You and Scotty have much in common ....
Um its not boasting, it was sharing a funny/crazy story, its good to laugh at yourself sometimes and not take life to seriously especially with the luxury of time, the embarrassment factor kind of fades.
BTW. I didnt shit my pants, i shat on them accidentally, because i dropped them so fast and i really needed to go.
“... its good to laugh at yourself sometimes and not take life to seriously ...”
Exactly, now there was this time I ....
Just watched an incredible doco on SBS . Avalanches -The making of a Deadly Snow Storm . Anyone interested in computer models would find it fascinating . Their very intricate computer models suggested certain outcomes of a avalanche . They made it happen by setting explosives and having all sorts of technical equipment to measure the outcomes including a car put in the way to measure pressures etc .
They knew from empirical evidence that their models underestimate the speed and damage ( damage by up to 10 times ) of avalanches .
They set the avalanche in motion and most of the model predictions were incorrect . The car showed them a very unexpected outcome . The avalanche seemed to flow with a series of huge WAVES that caused the damage to be higher than what their models were predicting .
My conclusion is that computer models that try to predict Climate Change ( with all the variables and huge time scales ) are USELESS .
Love the highbrow to and fro between indo and Guy - swellnet at it's finest!
@ D-Rex
Just make sure you read my story (bottom link) :D
Indo - read your story and you are not the only women or man that has been in exactly the same situation .
Thought you handled it very well .
GS if you have NEVER had to " laugh at yourself sometimes and not take life to seriously " you have not done much and are on your pat malone .
let me reassure you hutchy19 there have been times, but modesty prevents me from sharing here.
"Rain fell at the normally snowy summit of Greenland for the first time on record"
"For the first time on record, precipitation on Saturday at the summit of Greenland — roughly two miles above sea level — fell as rain and not snow.
Temperatures at the Greenland summit over the weekend rose above freezing for the third time in less than a decade. The warm air fueled an extreme rain event that dumped 7 billion tons of water on the ice sheet, enough to fill the Reflecting Pool at the National Mall in Washington, DC, nearly 250,000 times.
It was the heaviest rainfall on the ice sheet since record keeping began in 1950, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, and the amount of ice mass lost on Sunday was seven times higher than the daily average for this time of year."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/19/weather/greenland-summit-rain-climate...
Meanwhile August, the supposed coldest month is seeing flowers bloom in spring like weather and it's shaping up to be even warmer on the weekend and Monday :/
wow Craig, that looks to be a problem.
I've found myself getting increasingly nervous about each approaching summer. Seeing some of the radical events that have been happening in the northern hemisphere over recent months - record heatwaves in Canada and parts of US, those crazy rain/flash flood events in Europe, read earlier about the largest wildfire ever currently going on in remote Siberia, makes me wonder what our coming summer will bring. Particularly if the La Nina happens properly, it totally missed my part of the world last year (Sunny Coast hinterland), so maybe this time round the focus will shift a bit north and hit hard here. We are overdue for a big flood...
Yeah that's also the worrying thing Greenjam, we're still smashing records in a cool (La Niña) year. Usually these years globally are cooler all around, but alas the last has been above long term climate averages.
Pfizer mass Vax thaw out global climate chaos continues.
Greenland heats up Rollout over 50% to melt their Snow into Rain.
First recorded Rainfall on Greenland Summit.
Rain dominated Arctic to happen Decades earlier.
Rainwater runoff to increase ice sheet melts rising sea levels.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/08/19/greenland-melt-august-...
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/weather/2021/08/20/rain-not-snow-ju...
Sydney is currently 3.4° above average for August, not including today which is forecast to get to 27.
Flowers are blooming, it's been mild, shorts and t-shirt weather for the past week and it's not cool.
Its a real bumper season for wildflowers over in WA
Craig - thanks for the weather report . Wonderful prespring day yesterday in Melb but we may light the fire later in the week . A mate up in NNSW said things seamed to happen earlier this year eg flowers etc .
Blossoms seam to be on schedule here with the freesias out on time . My favourite perfume with frangipanis .
Is there any linkage with say an earlier spring and La Nina ?
Good question, Steve might be better for that one, but I'm not sure.
seaslug wrote:Its a real bumper season for wildflowers over in WA
All that rainfall would have made them go mental eh?!
Yeah mate, they are really quite spectacular this year
Native flowers are under rated.
Robwilliams wrote:Native flowers are under rated.
Aren't they! More from the weekend.
Very beautiful photograph . You are a talented photographer !
A friend of mine was short listed for an Australian competition with a snap of a baby cassowary in the Daintree . Also beautiful .
Thanks Hutchy. And wouldn't have a link to it would ya?
"Very beautiful photograph . You are a talented photographer !"
looks like he plays a mean flute too!
Sorry Craig , as a tech dino I am not able to post the photo . It has been short listed in the national Mono Awards with winners to be announced is Sept . He lives in Sydney and like you is very passionate and talented regarding photography .
May be one day you could compare notes and share experiences . I am always happy to help if I can .
Craig - I checked the site and after a lot of " loading more " I did find the photo by James Rosenberg .
Found it on insta! Great shot, minimalist!
James said he saw the family (?) and walked in front of them hoping that one would walk into the few light streams to get through the rainforest . The baby accommodated him .
"Global climate objectives fall short without nuclear power in the mix: UNECE"
The urgent need to reduce emissions and slow global heating, should involve the roll-out of more nuclear power stations, regional UN energy experts argued in a new briefing on Wednesday."
https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/08/1097572
This is interesting seeing it's from the UN & very recent article
I nearly fell off my chair Indo . From the UN , un f...en believable . What has caused this major change ?
As I believe that the climate has always changed and that the temperature is increasing due to many factors ( not due to an almost non existent , clean , plant growing food ) I am not advocating for a major expansion of nuclear energy .
If I believed that CO2 was the only cause of AGM and was causing the imminent destruction of the world I certainly would though .
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