Climate Change
Of course protecting the environment isn’t racist you pillock. That’s why it’s so funny. India, China etc have been told that their destructive industrial practices will soon be priced into their exports just as it is soon to be in the Western world. India and China etc don’t want their destructive environment practices to impact on their profits so they’ve done what India and China etc always do when they want to get their way unobstructed- they cry “ racist”.
And pillocks the world over repeat the cry because they’re thick as shit.
“India also adopted a position similar to China’s. It issued a joint statement with the BASIC bloc …… calling CBAM “discriminatory“ ……lololol
Apparently if environmental destruction was priced into Chinese GDP it’d be sitting at around negative eight percent.
Meanwhile Australia has one of the highest per-capita CO2 outputs on the planet, the GBR is dying, and we lead the world in species extinction, but let's just forget about all that, and have a gigantic whinge about the Chinese and Indians on Swellnet.
Mate, you're the biggest virtue signaller out there. Your last impotent rant does absolutely nothing to fix any problems, but you do let everyone know it's those nasty brown and yellow people causing the problem.
If you went to a beach clean up day, you'd be the guy not picking up any rubbish and telling everyone, that it's the Chinese and Indian tourists causing the mess.
"Here we go crew, things are getting real. TLDR: US and EU to impose carbon 'level playing field' on goods manufactured outside their jurisdictions:"
well about bloody time!
overcoming the racism in the process...
Covid, digital passports, next climate ...
All going to plan.
Maybe the police n army on the streets are in practice and getting people prepared ?
Doesn’t look good
This is also very important - from the supply side rather than the demand side. Article from a couple of months ago.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/goldman-spots-historic-reversal-commod...
... the West is now the marginal buyer of commodities, ie, we control the pricing now. Thus a wedgie can be delivered from both the front and the back simultaneously - the most brutal form of wedgie.
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Is that what happens when tyres get 'recycled'?
Yeah, right VJ!
Oh man, just like Lytton in BC, this town in Sierra Nevada broke its temperature record and then got razed by fire :(
Holy crap, the sun was so hot it set tyres alight! Quick, park your cars in the shade crew!
I've heard it's been in the 40Cs in the Okanagan, that is stuff that just doesn't happen.
Wouldn't it be a bit of a shock if all the recycling they say they do, well, they don't.
Vic Local .
For your information the Great Barrier Reef is doing very well at the moment. Please see attached so you can be up to date .
https://www.aims.gov.au/reef-monitoring/gbr-condition-summary-2020-2021
Also thought you would like to know Al Gore has one of the highest CO2 ( plant food ) outputs in the world .
Also John Kerry ( US Climate Czar ) has two houses , six cars , two boats and one jet airplane . Do as I say...
Latest IPCC report, though not loading ATM with server errors. Must be getting smashed.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_5990806fb263...
Lookout, Pastor Morrison is giving us all a sermon on how farken amazing Australia’s climate credentials are. Carnt.
GuySmiley wrote:Lookout, Pastor Morrison is giving us all a sermon on how farken amazing Australia’s climate credentials are. Carnt.
This is a truly horrifying spectacle. I feel sick.
Morrison's been too scared to front the media on so many things but he's happy to go out and publicly shirk Aus's responsibilities on climate change?
What a chump.
If they acted earlier we could be making bank. Instead we're going to be locked out of trade with Europe.
It seemed like only yesterday we were talking about diversifying our trade partners. Morrison's policies only make this harder. The liberals will kill industry in Australia.
I had a bit of spare time so thought I would add few comments on " the greatest Moral Threat of out time ".
I recommend those who do not and do believe that CO2 causes climate change read this link !
OUR governments highly respected and well funded EXPERTS on Climate Change .
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-chan...
It states the following .
1. CO2 levels at 408.9 p/m have not been higher in 800000 years with the previous high at 300 p/m .
2. Mile deep ice cores show CO2 has never been over 300 p/m in a million years .
3. That previous increases in CO2 and temperature were caused by wobbles in the earths axis which caused extra sunlight and also caused Ice Ages .
4.The last time that CO2 was at the current level sea levels were 15-25 meters higher than today .
Very convincing !!!
I would give them the benefit of the doubt that their 3 million years figures are correct even though their ice cores go back 1 million years . Someone has to make predictions on temperatures and sea levels that far back .
Their graph must be right ! CO2 levels were at 300 p/m around the birth of Christ . We can safely assume that the CO2 level stayed the same up to 200 years ago ( well after the Industrial Age started ) . It is a fact that CO2 levels are increasing at higher percentage rates than ever before . So the 2.5 p/m increase in 2018 and 1.7 p/m in 2021 must be right !!!!
Even if we stupidly assume that rate is 1.5 p/m on average over the last 200 years we are being way toooo conservative .
So on what I have said , 200 years times 1.5 equals 300 . Add to the 300 at the birth of Christ and the CO2 level is at 600 p/m . Oh SHIT . My maths must be wrong !!!!!!!!
Does not matter .
The fact that sea levels have risen 4 inches every 100 years after EVERY Ice Age definitely doesn't discredit their view that sea levels should be 15-25 meters higher today . A rounding error probably .
Just because CO2 levels of 1000 p/m are the best levels for plant growth and at 150 p/m all plants die does not mean we should not try and get the CO2 level down . We have to make up for the fact that China and India are not part of the Paris Accord and will in no way stop what they are doing in 2030 .
It does not matter that battery storage and wind mills can't help with Peak Load demand for at least 10 years plus . Stop our industries now . We don't want nuclear power ! We can import everything we need from China . Note to our PM . Break the long treaty with the US as we want to be on China's side when they invade Taiwan .
Common all you sceptics , grow up and see the real world . The facts are in the attached article .
Fuck scomo's denial of climate change. He's a sham and nothing more.
VERY disappointed to get ZERO responses to my post above from either side of the debate. I spent 45 minutes reading the article and writing the post . Tried to show how STUPID the governments leading so called experts are by using their own article and data to pretend to support their view . The demonization of CO2 is the greatest sham perpetrated on society by tyrants that believe they know best and can tell us do as I say not as I do . Anyone wanting to get a visual feel what 400 p/m looks like google Vanta Black . Was the blackest colour when invented reflecting 400 p/m of light . Invented by a UK company for use in telescopes and stealth vehicles . Looks like a Black Hole . Anish Kapoor , a famous UK artist , bought sole rights to the colour and refuses to share it . This resulted in a feud with Stuart Semple another artist . Very funny and interesting !
Haven't had a chance but here's your first thoughts dismissed. Anything you wrote after that holds no water.
Here are the CO2 emissions, as you can see it's not a linear increase over the past 2,000 years, but exponential since the Industrial Revolution.
Here's the last 1000
Here's from 800,000 years ago to recent..
Oh and to correlate that with global mean temperature for the past 2,000 years. Telling eh..
Doesn't take Einstein to figure out that if you have a closed system (ie the Earth and its surrounding atmosphere) and pump it full of gasses that absorb/trap heat that it will continue to warm over time with persistent heat from the sun.
Craig - Have you ever had a wrong call ? If yes , should we ignore ALL your future calls .
You seen to be assuming that CO2 is the ONLY cause of Global Warming . Please have a look at Vanta Black to see how small 400 p/m is . As I very good wave forecaster you would know the our planet has many variables that affect so many things , I am sure you could come up more variables but here are a few .
Sun activity cycles over long periods , Sun activity over short periods ( spots and Flares ) , Earths large wobbles of axis ( Ice Ages ), Earths small wobbles , ocean current directional changes and strength or lack of flows , deforestation , population growth , where the temp gauges are located ( have we moved them ALL away for humans ) , pollution from Volcanoes and humans ( CO2 is not a pollutant ) , methane ( think dinosaurs ) , asteroids , sea levels , ozone levels , La Nina's , El Nino's , IOD etc etc .
CO2 levels have increased by way less than 30% over the last 50 years on you graphs ( no sources shown ) and temperature degree increases have gone up 100% ( over 100 years from 0 to .5 to 1 ) and again no source . Your Green House picture ( no source ) looks so simplistic it could be used in Kindergartens . Is the sun always constant for a start . Since when has the atmosphere been CLOSED .
You do not need to be Einstein to figure out that the whole view on CO2 being the only variable that affects global warming is crazy As he said - I do not care if everyone thinks I am wrong . It only takes one to prove I am wrong
It maybe the same as saying the only thing affecting wave size at a beach is how much wind created it .
First principles Hutchy, just starting from the basics instead of going deep into the greenhouse gas effect.
Much like hot air rises and cold air falls.
Of course it's not totally closed, and that simplifies things but we could go deeper on all the radiation balances if you want to. It's what I studied at University and the maths is super complex, so much that I'd struggle to replicate it now.
If you actually went into the IPCC reports you'd see they take into account solar cycles, the expected temp regarding that and volcanic influences and so and so on.
Here they are, expected without human interference (emissions) green line, predicted temps with human interference (brown) and then observed, the black line.
RE all those other factors and teleconnections, they arise as the Earth tries to find the equilibrium between all the solar heating from the sun, differential heating of land, sea and atmospheric masses, chucked in with the Earth's rotation, topographical and bathymetric influences, fresh water inputs, and so on and so on.
But, there is always heat loss out to space as it's a black body, the main thing that buffers this heat being lost is the gasses in the atmosphere and if we increase certain concentrations of them, it throws off the balance and retains the heat, causing a positive feedback loop.
I could go on and on.
Please do. You seem to provide explanations for all manner of things (cold water upwelling as a basic e.g.) that those of us who have not undertaken the study you have can somewhat grasp.
Your abilities as an explainerer are exceptional.
On the "Ponderosa" (meaning weighty, heavy, regarding the trees) Hoss and Little Joe were instructed by Ben Cartwright to never cut down a tree unless they planted a tree.
Simple really....How many have you guys planted?
"Your Green House picture ( no source ) looks so simplistic it could be used in Kindergartens".
Difference between the Kindy kids and you is that they get it.
Syracuse, Italy just hit 48.8°C. The hottest temp ever recorded in Europe..
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/
Just sayin.
Bonza . You are right again Mr Sensible One . I don't get it but like the Kindy kids you do . I any future to responsed to you I will attempt to write them so a 4 year old can understand it .
Craig -Syracuse record temp . When was the last record ? I would expect many temps to be at records as we continue to move away from the Ice Age approx 10k years ago . When the Earth then moves into a new Ice Age I would expect them to drop .
You’ve been explaining like a 4 year old since you got here hutch.
@craig , a bit off subject but do you see electric cars being part of the solution ? I’m just trying to get my head around everyone driving electric cars and let’s say there’s a major accident on the freeway and cars are banked up for hours and eventually need recharging . How do you recharge thousands of cars in a traffic jam ? Might sound like a stupid scenario , it’s just something I’ve thought about . Hopefully electric cars are the future but some improvement on current technology is needed . Magnets maybe ?
Hutchy 19 wrote:Bonza . You are right again Mr Sensible One . I don't get it but like the Kindy kids you do . I any future to responsed to you I will attempt to write them so a 4 year old can understand it .
Craig -Syracuse record temp . When was the last record ? I would expect many temps to be at records as we continue to move away from the Ice Age approx 10k years ago . When the Earth then moves into a new Ice Age I would expect them to drop .
Hutchy there you go again , getting personal accusing someone of being a 4 year old , and talking from a high and mighty pedestal of your superior intellect.....which in itself is a sign of insecurity and does not contribute to any civil conversation , as people won't engage with you.
To me it looks like your claims on climate , have already been discussed at length , I think that there is a Global acceptance now that we are living in a climate that is now changing quite quickly , and we need to adapt ASAP!
Arguing about what is causing Climate change and what the affects will be on our civilization has and is being discussed....with the general consensus from the scientific world being that ...
1) man has helped create the current warming , by deforestation and emissions
2) The eco system is degenerating before our eyes with rising sea levels, wilder and wilder storms/heat waves....
3) we need to slow the C02 impacts on the atmosphere stop the global temperature from rising , and hopefully in the future we will have enough time to mitigate what is currently looking very critical....
4) we all need to understand that even if you don't agree with the scientific community and it's findings on climate change, our Eco system is finite and we are pushing the limits of our current eco system , and we will pay a heavy price...well our kids and grand kids will!
Thanks Craig.
...and on solar
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-12/power-companies-to-charge-solar-o...
Supafreak wrote:@craig , a bit off subject but do you see electric cars being part of the solution ? I’m just trying to get my head around everyone driving electric cars and let’s say there’s a major accident on the freeway and cars are banked up for hours and eventually need recharging . How do you recharge thousands of cars in a traffic jam ? Might sound like a stupid scenario , it’s just something I’ve thought about . Hopefully electric cars are the future but some improvement on current technology is needed . Magnets maybe ?
Massively, and the thing is with electric cars is that once they're off, they're off so won't be losing power just sitting there in a traffic jam.
Also with no drive-trains/transmission you should see the amount of extra space they provide etc and lighter weight. Win win.
PS Great post Brutus.
Other expert fails in todays news .
CDC admits it DID overcount Florida's COVID cases: Agency revises state's weekend numbers down from 28,000 to 19,000 but offers no explanation after falsely claiming 'record' infections
Man is fined $620 for using 80 pounds of explosives for gender reveal party in a quarry - causing damage to properties in TWO states!
@craig , thanks for replying , what would run the air con when car is switched off ? Old people sitting in 40c + heat in a traffic jam would need something or if it’s freezing cold what warms the car when not running . Just scenarios mate that I think about .
Looks like it's covered Supafreak, did a quick search, they can idle easily with the AC or heater using less power than is put to the drive train.
This from Tesla in 2016 as well..
One of the most important upgrades is the addition of a temperature-control function developed to save the lives of pets and infants trapped in a hot car. The feature automatically turns the air conditioning on if it senses that the temperature in the cockpit rises above 105 degrees Fahrenheit, and if the battery pack has at least a 20-percent charge.
Elon said it can last a year doing this on full charge. So seems a non issue and you'd run out of fuel quicker than electricity.
Tesla keeps temp below 40C/105F by automatically venting cabin & turning on AC when needed. Can do this for up to a year on a full charge.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 21, 2016
@craig , thanks for that. , I can tell my head to shut up now. Let’s hope can get China and India on board.
Brutus I responded to this comment from Bonza .
"Your Green House picture ( no source ) looks so simplistic it could be used in Kindergartens".
Difference between the Kindy kids and you is that they get it.
And you respond with support for Bonza with this -
Hutchy there you go again , getting personal accusing someone of being a 4 year old , and talking from a high and mighty pedestal of your superior intellect.....which in itself is a sign of insecurity and does not contribute to any civil conversation , as people won't engage with you.
When I have some time I will respond to your post in more detail . If you have some time I would like to hear some feed back on the issue of resentment in Aboriginal communities in MY post .
Brutus - tried to find the Basque Wavepool thread as I was going to copy some of the abuse I have received from Bonza and others . I could not find it .
Bonza and I had a different view on damming the Mitchell River in Vic and Wind Farms . He couldn't understand why I was for a dam that would kill and damage local flora and fauna and be against wind farms that " tangled a few birds " . I replied that the fact was that hundreds of thousands of birds , many that were apex birds ( are endangered like some species of eagles and albatross ) were not tangled but were smashed by wind mills . I then asked him to give me ONE plant species that would be affected by a dam on the Mitchell River ( obviously not where the actual dam would be ) . Then made it easier for him and said ANY dam in Australia . His answer was the Red Gum .
After seeing his advice to young home buyers ( two contradictory views in 6 minutes ) to buy now ( obviously most cannot afford to buy inner city ) and borrow to the max I responded with this -
Advising people to borrow huge amounts of money ( for 30 years ) when interest rates are at the lowest ever and when unemployment rates are low may seem sage advice to you . What can go wrong ? What will happen in the future . I have no crystal ball but China could invade Taiwan , Iran might throw a nuke at Israel , Covid lockdowns may be the new normal , interest rates might go back to the average rates of the last 100 years , unemployment might go up ?
He has given me plenty of shit and my combative nature sometimes gets the better of me . As a newbie to social media I have a lot to learn .
you have a lot to learn in general hutch.
Craig - I wonder why this event does not seem to come up on the data ?
In the late summer or autumn of 79 AD, Mount Vesuvius violently spewed forth a deadly cloud of super-heated tephra and gases to a height of 33 km (21 mi), ejecting molten rock, pulverized pumice and hot ash at 1.5 million tons per second, ultimately releasing 100,000 times the thermal energy of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[3]
You are right Bonza . I have learnt a lot over nearly 62 years . I have an enquiring mind and hope to continue to do so . Thanks Mate !
That eruption doesn't rate compared to previous ones from the same volcano and in relation to other major eruptions across the world..
"Mount Vesuvius has erupted many times. The eruption in AD 79 was preceded by numerous others in prehistory, including at least three significantly larger ones, including the Avellino eruption around 1800 BC which engulfed several Bronze Age settlements.
Here's 11 significant ones.. https://www.livescience.com/30507-volcanoes-biggest-history.html
Brutus a brief response to your points above .
1. Man has created some warming with deforestation and replacing it with cities , roads and emission's .
The question is how much ? In cities a fair bit I would guess and this should be easy to measure as that is where most of the gauges are that others use to calculate global warming . The world should be warming as we come out of the Ice Age .
2. Sea Levels are also rising as we come out of the Ice Age . Has been an EXTREMELY consistent 4 inches every 100 years over many thousands of years (check the readings in the Syney Harbour gauge ). Storms eg cyclones according to BOM date have reduced in number and intensity over the last 50 years in Australia . Some Eco systems are doing very well at the moment . The Great Barrier Reef for example . The Australian Institute of Marine Science latest reading says the reef is thriving NOW due to the lack of cyclones .
3.CO2 is not at critical levels . They would be if they dropped to 150 p/m as ALL plants would die . They have been much higher in the distant past . 100 million years ago they were probably at the best levels ( 1300 p/m is apparently the saturation point for plants ) to grow all the plants that the dinosaurs needed and to create all the oil and gas we have also needed . Check Vanta Black to see visually how small 400 p/m is .
4. The Earth's resources have never been finite and never will be . As you would know the Earth was created by asteroids coming together ( unless you think God did it in 7 days ) . Asteroids have always hit the earth replenishing precious water and minerals that are used . I am worried that way too many people are happy for our governments and governments ALL over the world to waste and spend money and go into increasingly higher levels of debt that our kids and grand kids will have to pay the price for .
We also have plenty of resources now . Iron Ore will last for thousands of years . The wonderful dirt in the Kimberly started being used with 70% Fe content . Now BHP / RIO / Vale mine on average at 65%Fe . As this ore became more valuable Fortescue ( Twiggy Forest ) started digging up 62%Fe dirt . They are now a $69 Billion dollar company . Same with Oil/Gas/Gold etc . The minerals that are really hard to find are the ones that go into Electric Cars and their batteries( Rare Earths , Cobalt , Nickel , Platinum , Palladium etc )
Hutch you’re being given some fundamental information here by some qualified and very patient people.
Hopefully you’re taking some of it onboard.
Hutchy.....you lost me at....."The Earth's resources have never been finite and never will be . As you would know the Earth was created by asteroids coming together ( unless you think God did it in 7 days ) . Asteroids have always hit the earth replenishing precious water and minerals that are used
can you provide a link to where you got the above info from.....that's a pretty mind boggling statement!.
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