COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
And lol - case in point. Burleigh, in among spreading some deeply depraved shit about eugenics, lost down the rabbit hole, banging on about "The vaccine does not stop transmission like we were promised".
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:monkeyboy wrote:F.me is this thread still going. Anyone changed their opinion yet ?
Reckon we need a Ding Alley take on whole thing... (•‿•)
100% i think people would be crazy to not change their opinion on things as we have progressed.
Myself:
Early days 100% pro vax, pro vax mandates and i demonised those that didnt get vaccinated, i saw the vaccine as the one and only answer.
Now, my views have evolved im still pro vax, but as we have learnt aspects of the vaccines short comings ive adapted my views, for instance its clear the vax doesn't prevent transmission, so ive had to change my views on mandates because if it doesn't stop transmission then why does it matter if someone else is vaccinated or not???
Also i just stood back and thought why am i hating on people for something that is and should be their personal choice.
I also admit a lot of my change in views is about us hitting such high Vax rates as i just want to be able to go to Indo again.
BTW. I think Soggydogs above post is the first time ever ive agreed with him :D
I think that is the first I have agreed with you Indo... Haha
+1
Dx3 wrote:monkeyboy wrote:F.me is this thread still going. Anyone changed their opinion yet ?
Haha spot on. Each to their own, but I do have to smile at the time wasted by the many repeat posters on here that are simply pissing into the wind if they think they will change someone's mind on the whole covid carry-on. But if it helps to pass the day, then play on.
I tend to pop my head in here now and then for a giggle at Blowin and VicLocal going back at each other. Good stuff, keep it up. Neither of you are right all the time, even though you think you are.
I touched on this briefly last year, this won't stop MB/Dx3, its human nature, the 1% (1% + 9% + 90% internet rule) of commenters on this thread are essentially in a constant state of flux between flight or fight mode haha (not my words), but we have all been there:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2013/jul/29/internet-comment...
“You know what I'm talking about: that moment when you get so enraged at the "wrongness" of someone's written argument that you feel compelled to dive into a comment thread ten times longer than the original post, get angrier still at the comebacks and eventually lose your entire perspective on what is really important in life.”
…
“What occurs next is a Lord of the Flies paradigm. The reptilian mind, that part of our brain concerned only with our survival, takes over. People become highly concerned with their opinions being perceived as "right" and attacking others who undermine this in any way they can. But being right on the internet has nothing to do with survival does it?...In fact the mind equates "being right" with surviving.”
And,
Anonymity plays a significant part, I don't advocate for this one bit, should always be up the user as a personal choice over a legislated one (something the PM and his band of fuckwits want to change before they get shitcanned out of office; one can hope they get shitcanned out of office anyway):
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/jul/24/internet-anonymity-tr...
“The psychologists call it "deindividuation". It's what happens when social norms are withdrawn because identities are concealed”
“Deindividuation is what happens when we get behind the wheel of a car and feel moved to scream abuse at the woman in front who is slow in turning right. It is what motivates a responsible father in a football crowd to yell crude sexual hatred at the opposition or the referee. And it's why under the cover of an alias or an avatar on a website or a blog – surrounded by virtual strangers – conventionally restrained individuals might be moved to suggest a comedian should suffer all manner of violent torture because they don't like his jokes, or his face.”
“The utopian tendency is to believe that social media pluralises and diversifies opinion; most of the evidence suggests that it is just as likely, when combined with anonymity, to reinforce groupthink and extremism.”
"We rightly hear a great deal about the potential of social media and websites to spread individual freedom, as evidenced during the Arab spring and elsewhere. Less is written about their capacity to reinforce pack identities and mob rule, though clearly that is also part of that potential."
""There is some evidence to suggest that the mainstream conservative media even cuts politically correct or moderate posts from websites in favour of the extremes," he says. "The tone of the public debate around immigration has diminished enormously in these forums."
Lastly, Godwins law also explains references to the nazis; overall the behaviour on display in this thread really isnt anything new, only the subject matter:
https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/340583?redirectedFrom=Godwin%27s+law#eid
I have solidified a position, more so that changing.
I don't think (very young) kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain.
NZ and WA should open up and learn to live with covid.
I look at my immediate surroundings before thinking about society impacting ideas. So, there are 8-ish anti-waxed people that I personally know.
One will never get vaccinated no matter what citing typical antiwax information sources, health impacts etc...
The other 7 don't want to get vaccinated because 'the government wants them to do it'. However, they all admitted that they will do it if they need to travel somewhere where vaccines are required. So, the appeal of travel is stronger than the strength of their principles. It is also important to note that neither of these people are super healthy or fit or anything like that. They have no understanding of epidemiology or how vaccines work.
Based on this small sample (sample too small statistically to project onto the population but it provides a discussion point) I concluded that 80%+ of antiwax community is not accepting the vaccination based on principles that have nothing to do with their health. To support their decision they will source information that will reaffirm their position hence leading to the confirmation bias.
The government, on the other hand, seems to be aware of this and they are pushing certificates, passports etc to convince then to get vaccinated because let's be frank, they will do it eventually.
Health-driven anti-vaxxers will probably never get vaccinated no matter what and I think everyone knows that.
How ethical is all of this is the source of debate. My position is crystal clear: I strongly support the vaccines from the health perspective but object to freedom of movement limitations against the citizens. However, my objection is based on non-health-related principles. At times I am happy to trust the health experts we hired as a society to make more informed decisions than I would myself.
"I don't think kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain. "
stok thinks you are stupid.
bonza wrote:"I don't think kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain. "
stok thinks you are stupid.
I thought he was stupid...
roadkill just chamged my mind
does that count?
burleigh wrote:Yeah, this is how they promote “health”
If you want a golden gaytime, get one from the shops with no side effects.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZAjtnUPaEE/?utm_medium=copy_link
Hey Burleigh, what did you think of Washington State’s “Joints for Jabs” initiative last year? I reckon they might have been onto something! There are some studies that suggest CBD might help combat covid. Perhaps, combining conventional Western medicine with traditional herbal medicine is the way foward.
https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/bvn743/oral-cbd-prevented-covid-19-i...
Roadkill wrote:I have solidified a position, more so that changing.
I don't think (very young) kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain.
NZ and WA should open up and learn to live with covid.
Your position has changed radically.
A few weeks ago you were demanding zero covid and you were crying about the unvaccinated spreading the virus amongst the vaccinated.
Pretty hard to maintain that bullshit opinion after millions of watching the virus infect whoever the fuck,it wants regardless of whether they e got a vaccine passport or not. Now you’ve realised the virus is waaaaayy less deadly than you thought. This is primarily because you now know people who’ve had it and so the false fear created by the government and media is dissolving. Exposure to the meagre reality of covid has softened your extreme absolutism and ridiculous ideology.
You need to acknowledge where you were wrong. Not for anyone else but yourself.
OK….a bit for everyone else. We put up with your aggressive stupidity and insane dribble for months.
Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:I have solidified a position, more so that changing.
I don't think (very young) kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain.
NZ and WA should open up and learn to live with covid.
Your position has changed radically.
A few weeks ago you were demanding zero covid and you were crying about the unvaccinated spreading the virus amongst the vaccinated.
Pretty hard to maintain that bullshit opinion after millions of watching the virus infect whoever the fuck,it wants regardless of whether they e got a vaccine passport or not. Now you’ve realised the virus is waaaaayy less deadly than you thought. This is primarily because you now know people who’ve had it and so the false fear created by the government and media is dissolving. Exposure to the meagre reality of covid has softened your extreme absolutism and ridiculous ideology.
You need to acknowledge where you were wrong. Not for anyone else but yourself.
OK….a bit for everyone else. We put up with your aggressive stupidity and insane dribble for months.
no, you are wrong, as usual. making shit up, snowflake.
flollo wrote:I look at my immediate surroundings before thinking about society impacting ideas. So, there are 8-ish anti-waxed people that I personally know.
One will never get vaccinated no matter what citing typical antiwax information sources, health impacts etc...
The other 7 don't want to get vaccinated because 'the government wants them to do it'. However, they all admitted that they will do it if they need to travel somewhere where vaccines are required. So, the appeal of travel is stronger than the strength of their principles. It is also important to note that neither of these people are super healthy or fit or anything like that. They have no understanding of epidemiology or how vaccines work.
Based on this small sample (sample too small statistically to project onto the population but it provides a discussion point) I concluded that 80%+ of antiwax community is not accepting the vaccination based on principles that have nothing to do with their health. To support their decision they will source information that will reaffirm their position hence leading to the confirmation bias.
The government, on the other hand, seems to be aware of this and they are pushing certificates, passports etc to convince then to get vaccinated because let's be frank, they will do it eventually.
Health-driven anti-vaxxers will probably never get vaccinated no matter what and I think everyone knows that.
How ethical is all of this is the source of debate. My position is crystal clear: I strongly support the vaccines from the health perspective but object to freedom of movement limitations against the citizens. However, my objection is based on non-health-related principles. At times I am happy to trust the health experts we hired as a society to make more informed decisions than I would myself.
The vaccine passports and vaccine mandates have never been imposed by health officials as there is no medical evidence to substantiate their use. All imposition of mandates /passports is political.
Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:I have solidified a position, more so that changing.
I don't think (very young) kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain.
NZ and WA should open up and learn to live with covid.
Your position has changed radically.
A few weeks ago you were demanding zero covid and you were crying about the unvaccinated spreading the virus amongst the vaccinated.
Pretty hard to maintain that bullshit opinion after millions of watching the virus infect whoever the fuck,it wants regardless of whether they e got a vaccine passport or not. Now you’ve realised the virus is waaaaayy less deadly than you thought. This is primarily because you now know people who’ve had it and so the false fear created by the government and media is dissolving. Exposure to the meagre reality of covid has softened your extreme absolutism and ridiculous ideology.
You need to acknowledge where you were wrong. Not for anyone else but yourself.
OK….a bit for everyone else. We put up with your aggressive stupidity and insane dribble for months.
no, you are wrong, as usual. making shit up, snowflake.
Nope. It’s all there in black and white throughout this thread. Your words contained in your posts declaring your beliefs. Own it.
Continuing with January World Vax spiked infections above Pandemic rate ...re: UK / NSW / SA.
Meaning : Govts who Rollout Covid infections above WR variant rates to harm more of their people.
tbb thought to expand this research into highly infectious Youth...stands to reason...
However! We know Youth stats can be influenced by Home / School / sports
We also know it's a mad world of countless RATS & peer infections coming into school terms.
Almost as if Youth infections are on tap at each Tuck Shop...so what if...
We go one step further... if such data is available...(Guess What!).
By relating Kidz Vax to Hospital stats may prove more useful to parents in this forum...
This would hit home on reality of Youth Vax & wot to plan for in coming months! All say Aye!
Israel Youth Rollout sounds warning of Vax sending more Kidz to hospital than WR viral rate
Note this also was the case in UK...this is not the first time tbb has reported on Mass Vax harming Kidz.
UK have 1 dose + Nasal Flu hit that knocked out Asthma kids (vs) Israel 2 doses no Flu spray!
Dose/day (1)10,000 (2) 8,000 declining to present. (UK data shows most infection is during incubation.)
Note! Oz teachers say the same...about "Vax" cases are expected upon return!
Israel Kidz "Active" Mass Vax Rollout 5-11 years
No Vax 81.5% > Active Hospitalisations 8,355 or 63.8% = Saving 17.7% Hospital Resource
Clearly unvaxed Kidz can & do rid serious Covid > no need for mandates or vaccination Programs
Vax 18.5% > Active Hospitalisations 4,748 or 36.2% = Vax is intentionally harming 17.7% extra Kidz
$Gazillion Rollout Crisis (5-11) requires 35.4% extra Hospital resource rate for extra Vaxed patients
Up until now...tbb has only exposed adults...crew can see in Israel's case it shows up in Youth Hospitals.
Israel Dash Board (Note it's only these 2 Age brackets that expose way higher Vaxed % data)
It's possible that the dominant Mass Rollout Vax is calling the shots >1/2/3 Doses were equal at time.
https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general?tileName=vaccinated...
Israel Kidz Mass Vax Rollout 12-15 years
No Vax 39.63% > Active Hospitalisations 7,845 or 35.45% = Saving 4.18% Hospital resource...
Again! Clearly no need for any Kidz Vaccination Program.
Vax 59.98% > Active Hospitalisations 14,287 or 64.55% = Vax intentionally harms an extra 4.57% Kidz.
$ Gazillion Rollout Crisis requires extra 9.14% Hospital resource for Vaxed Youth Patients
Not even counting the costs of extra orchestrated Vax infections upon the innocent unvaxed school kidz.
Experts see everything but their own Vax > monstering the Pop charts timing #1 Worldwide Peak
Mass infectious orchestrated Killing Field plays out beneath them...but they have their hands tied!
Pause!
This was raised by blowin & crew...tbb did also bizarrely nod, that conservatives are more accountable.
tbb has often saluted the Conservative's Covid Dash Boards as being tonic for the troops!
Note that Conservative Govts are willingly & openly sharing this damning Data. (That's Unbelievable!)
Vic/Qld (Labor) Vax data is locked in a vault...then shipped to the South Pole.
Not saying Aussies are onto it, but it only takes one bright spark to paint on Labor's hidden agenda tag.
UK/ Israel / NSW / SA have come clean on this Mass crime that others hide from view.
Hopefully one day...soon...these Expert criminals will own up to these serious Mass crimes.
If your state or nation, is infecting it's people above Covid rates...then all have a duty to report #1 crime!
We love strip searching & smashing up Hesitant chix, so why not dob in VIP Expert Mass Killers.
bonza wrote:"I don't think kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain. "
stok thinks you are stupid.
Nah, he doesn't prance around sharing articles from grifters and claiming we need to save the kids.
Also, my personal views for kids and covid are not too dissimilar to RK here.
bonza wrote:"I don't think kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain. "
stok thinks you are stupid.
Careful or stok will add you to his anti-vaxxer list
Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:I have solidified a position, more so that changing.
I don't think (very young) kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain.
NZ and WA should open up and learn to live with covid.
Your position has changed radically.
A few weeks ago you were demanding zero covid and you were crying about the unvaccinated spreading the virus amongst the vaccinated.
Pretty hard to maintain that bullshit opinion after millions of watching the virus infect whoever the fuck,it wants regardless of whether they e got a vaccine passport or not. Now you’ve realised the virus is waaaaayy less deadly than you thought. This is primarily because you now know people who’ve had it and so the false fear created by the government and media is dissolving. Exposure to the meagre reality of covid has softened your extreme absolutism and ridiculous ideology.
You need to acknowledge where you were wrong. Not for anyone else but yourself.
OK….a bit for everyone else. We put up with your aggressive stupidity and insane dribble for months.
no, you are wrong, as usual. making shit up, snowflake.
Nope. It’s all there in black and white throughout this thread. Your words contained in your posts declaring your beliefs. Own it.
Keep making it up, snowflake. Zero fucks given
Reckon the vax rate numbers are just as stinky as all the other numbers we’ve taken on as fact?
Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:I have solidified a position, more so that changing.
I don't think (very young) kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain.
NZ and WA should open up and learn to live with covid.
Your position has changed radically.
A few weeks ago you were demanding zero covid and you were crying about the unvaccinated spreading the virus amongst the vaccinated.
Pretty hard to maintain that bullshit opinion after millions of watching the virus infect whoever the fuck,it wants regardless of whether they e got a vaccine passport or not. Now you’ve realised the virus is waaaaayy less deadly than you thought. This is primarily because you now know people who’ve had it and so the false fear created by the government and media is dissolving. Exposure to the meagre reality of covid has softened your extreme absolutism and ridiculous ideology.
You need to acknowledge where you were wrong. Not for anyone else but yourself.
OK….a bit for everyone else. We put up with your aggressive stupidity and insane dribble for months.
no, you are wrong, as usual. making shit up, snowflake.
Nope. It’s all there in black and white throughout this thread. Your words contained in your posts declaring your beliefs. Own it.
Keep making it up, snowflake. Zero fucks given
A few weeks ago you were whining hardcore about Perrottet and Scummo opening it up because you were shit scared of the Death Plague amd the threat of unvaccinated spreading it. Now you’re denying you ever said this and demanding WA and NZ open up too.
As if it’s not bad enough that you were vocally wrong and pushing opinions which were destructive to society….now you deny it?
FFS bloke get some integrity.
If I could be arsed, which I could not be at this point in time, I could easily produce posts you wrote to attest to this all being true. Yet you’d still rather snivel amd pretend you were never THAT fuckwit.
Well….you were bloke.
You were that fuckwit with bells on.
Stok wrote:bonza wrote:"I don't think kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain. "
stok thinks you are stupid.
Nah, he doesn't prance around sharing articles from grifters and claiming we need to save the kids.
Also, my personal views for kids and covid are not too dissimilar to RK here.
so maybe you could discuss such issues occasionally?
instead of all the alloofness, abuse, and 'us and them' bullshit....
you know, amongst all your 'trolling' twittery... actually talk about stuff...
up to you...
champ
Michael Adam wrote:Reckon the vax rate numbers are just as stinky as all the other numbers we’ve taken on as fact?
For sure most people got vaccinated but I know too many unvaccinated to believe the 93% double vaccinated stat.
Vaccination rates were in the toilet - about 30% - before they started coercing people. At least 50% of adult Australians got the vaccine to avoid inconvenience.
Blowin wrote:Michael Adam wrote:Reckon the vax rate numbers are just as stinky as all the other numbers we’ve taken on as fact?
For sure most people got vaccinated but I know too many unvaccinated to believe the 93% double vaccinated stat.
Vaccination rates were in the toilet - about 30% - before they started coercing people. At least 50% of adult Australians got the vaccine to avoid inconvenience.
And there he goes again, just making shit up. Where's your proof that the 93% figure is wrong? Where did you get the 50% coercion figure? Did you take a poll or have you amazing clairvoyant skills?
You're seriously good for a laugh blowin. Just when you started to make a little sense, you fell back into old habits and started shovelling the bullshit thick and fast.
And he even suggested someone else to "get some integrity."
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Oh my sides, please don't split.
Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:I have solidified a position, more so that changing.
I don't think (very young) kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain.
NZ and WA should open up and learn to live with covid.
Your position has changed radically.
A few weeks ago you were demanding zero covid and you were crying about the unvaccinated spreading the virus amongst the vaccinated.
Pretty hard to maintain that bullshit opinion after millions of watching the virus infect whoever the fuck,it wants regardless of whether they e got a vaccine passport or not. Now you’ve realised the virus is waaaaayy less deadly than you thought. This is primarily because you now know people who’ve had it and so the false fear created by the government and media is dissolving. Exposure to the meagre reality of covid has softened your extreme absolutism and ridiculous ideology.
You need to acknowledge where you were wrong. Not for anyone else but yourself.
OK….a bit for everyone else. We put up with your aggressive stupidity and insane dribble for months.
no, you are wrong, as usual. making shit up, snowflake.
Nope. It’s all there in black and white throughout this thread. Your words contained in your posts declaring your beliefs. Own it.
Keep making it up, snowflake. Zero fucks given
A few weeks ago you were whining hardcore about Perrottet and Scummo opening it up because you were shit scared of the Death Plague amd the threat of unvaccinated spreading it. Now you’re denying you ever said this and demanding WA and NZ open up too.
As if it’s not bad enough that you were vocally wrong and pushing opinions which were destructive to society….now you deny it?
FFS bloke get some integrity.
If I could be arsed, which I could not be at this point in time, I could easily produce posts you wrote to attest to this all being true. Yet you’d still rather snivel amd pretend you were never THAT fuckwit.
Well….you were bloke.
You were that fuckwit with bells on.
Nope, never been scared of it.
Keep going, snowflake. Lmao
Hey Blowin, this is the kind of integrity that might calm both sides of the debate:
Stok wrote:bonza wrote:"I don't think kids should be vaxxed, especially whilst omicron is the dominante strain. "
stok thinks you are stupid.
Nah, he doesn't prance around sharing articles from grifters and claiming we need to save the kids.
Also, my personal views for kids and covid are not too dissimilar to RK here.
ok. i must have misinterpreted you. Why is your view opposed to the current Australian health recommendations on covid vax for kids? and why doesn't this make you a anti-vaxxer?
Vic Local wrote:Blowin wrote:Michael Adam wrote:Reckon the vax rate numbers are just as stinky as all the other numbers we’ve taken on as fact?
For sure most people got vaccinated but I know too many unvaccinated to believe the 93% double vaccinated stat.
Vaccination rates were in the toilet - about 30% - before they started coercing people. At least 50% of adult Australians got the vaccine to avoid inconvenience.
And there he goes again, just making shit up. Where's your proof that the 93% figure is wrong? Where did you get the 50% coercion figure? Did you take a poll or have you amazing clairvoyant skills?
You're seriously good for a laugh blowin. Just when you started to make a little sense, you fell back into old habits and started shovelling the bullshit thick and fast.
And he even suggested someone else to "get some integrity."
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Oh my sides, please don't split.
I agree, when you jab junkies yap on about 95% fully vaccinated and the minority of 5% bullshit I cringe.
It’s possible that 95% eligible are vaccinated however it was not done voluntary. They were coerced, threatened, scared by government and msm every fucking day until they gave up.
Now the 3rd dose has a very slow uptake and it will take a miracle to get the same kind of numbers. Another one of my close friends this morning has said they will not get the booster, this person was as mad as Roadkill for the first 2 jabs.
What changed? People are seeing the bullshit, the lies and have decided enough is enough.
The government will most likely mandate the third jab, and that is what will bring them to their knees
What kicked everyone into gear here in Sydney and Melbourne was Delta starting to take off, no coercion, just being able to finally get some form of protection for it.
Craig wrote:What kicked everyone into gear here in Sydney and Melbourne was Delta starting to take off, no coercion, just being able to finally get some form of protection for it.
No no Craig. That's not true. What really happened is people "were coerced, threatened, scared by government and msm every fucking day until they gave up". But plucky little burleigh stuck to her guns because she's smarter than the medical experts working in places like ATAGI and the TGA.
Well played burliegh. I salute your courage standing up to the dictatorial governments forcing people to inject poison.
Hopefully Burleigh has taken a break and hit the surf..
Craig wrote:Hopefully Burleigh has taken a break and hit the surf..
Was there this morning. Was fun.
Craig wrote:Hopefully Burleigh has taken a break and hit the surf..
Burleigh don’t surf.
Haven’t seen he/she/it post or comment on any other threads
etarip wrote:Craig wrote:Hopefully Burleigh has taken a break and hit the surf..
Burleigh don’t surf.
Haven’t seen he/she/it post or comment on any other threads
Obviously being an anti-vaxxer is burleigh's thing, but she might be interested in the surf, say a photographer. Just saying.
I know this will set me up to be perfectly swatted by VL and cohorts, however, as far as vaccination rates go, most of my good friends, Australia wide and those overseas have still refused to get the jab. The obvious conclusion that will be made is same kind of crew attract same crew, but to be honest, a pretty diverse range of folk. So in my little microcosm of my world, if roughly 85percent haven't been jabbed, i do wonder if the stats are actually correct.
One other thing,..a mate on the Goldy mentioned that once the bars and restaurants opened to the double + jabbed again last month, they were only 30% full at most. These are the same establishments he'd drive by everyday, and it was obvious the patronage was well down. Due to hesitation of public places? Or is it just that the numbers being told to us aren't a true representation of the jabbed. I dunno. These are just two examples from my perspective. Ok. So who's gonna rip in from the dungeon masters first? I'm tipping Roadkill :-P
Patronage was back up after opening and with a few of my friends using fake Covid passes which were east to get, so there's no problem there re unvaccinated getting in anyway.
In and around Manly before Christmas patronage was down though and there were cancellations etc due to people being worried about being a close contact and having to isolate over Chrissie/NYE after not seeing their family for so long or getting Omicron and passing it onto their elderly relatives.
Also I've got a wide network and 9/10 got vaccinated (worst case 8/10). I'd saw you being in deep south WA skews your observations BD.
Sorry, BD, I'm doing a quick hijack after the other Kelly Kovid thread was shut down.
It's a shame Algae and I didn't get to kick on with the argument after his most recent posts, but it appears blood pressure may have been the winner.
For the record, I just want to say that my post about deleting a post was (I thought clearly) written as a piss-take on an earlier well-written comment poking holes in the idea that, if anyone's experience of governments getting organised was any indication, it would be quite a feat for any global conspiracy to get its collective shit together.
Alas, my comment about deleting a post appears to have been taken literally. So Algae, please take a breather and feel free to come back at me with reputable sources.
Craig wrote:Patronage was back up after opening and with a few of my friends using fake Covid passes which were east to get, so there's no problem there re unvaccinated getting in anyway.
In and around Manly before Christmas patronage was down and there were cancellations etc due to people being worried about being a close contact and having to isolate over Chrissie/NYE after not seeing their family for so long or getting Omicron and passing it onto their elderly relatives.
Also I've got a wide network and 9/10 got vaccinated. I'd saw you being in deep south WA skews your observations BD.
Yeah in deep sth WA, but alot of friends in Nth NSW and Goldy, as well as Sth Coast NSW, and South oz of course (mixed bag there but to be expected!!) but most good friends admittedly are rural, and i reckon that could play a big part in it. Bloody bunch of hippies!! Most of my family and crew i know living in suburbia took the jab.
bluediamond wrote:I know this will set me up to be perfectly swatted by VL and cohorts, however, as far as vaccination rates go, most of my good friends, Australia wide and those overseas have still refused to get the jab. The obvious conclusion that will be made is same kind of crew attract same crew, but to be honest, a pretty diverse range of folk. So in my little microcosm of my world, if roughly 85percent haven't been jabbed, i do wonder if the stats are actually correct.
One other thing,..a mate on the Goldy mentioned that once the bars and restaurants opened to the double + jabbed again last month, they were only 30% full at most. These are the same establishments he'd drive by everyday, and it was obvious the patronage was well down. Due to hesitation of public places? Or is it just that the numbers being told to us aren't a true representation of the jabbed. I dunno. These are just two examples from my perspective. Ok. So who's gonna rip in from the dungeon masters first? I'm tipping Roadkill :-P
BD, here in Melbourne there was absolutley no noticable downturn due to vaccinations back last year.
This year however, it has been much quieter, but this has been largely due to people either getting covid or being a close contact. Some people maybe choosing not to go out to avoid getting sick, but mostly due to actual cases/contacts.
Yeah makes sense about people trying to stay away from being close contacts @Stok. Cheers for the feedback from Melbs.
sypkan wrote:so maybe you could discuss such issues occasionally?
instead of all the alloofness, abuse, and 'us and them' bullshit....
you know, amongst all your 'trolling' twittery... actually talk about stuff...
up to you...
champ
Wow, so mean.
I don't entirely agree with RK, but my views are similar - but they're my personal views on a medical issue which I don't know much about the full ins and outs. I'd need to look into it more and speak more to my doctor to decide for my kids. Certainly wouldn't be posting anonymously on a forum about it.
'Wow, so mean.'
well you're the one that waltzes in with paragraphs and paragraphs of abuse, belittlings, and name calling...
largely from a position of ignorance it would seem
from an 'academic' no less
waddle waddle quack...
sypkan wrote:largely from a position of ignorance it would seem
from an 'academic' no less
Don't kid yourself sypo, we're all very, very ignorant here. Just some of us haven't figured that out yet, and they continue to play detective as if they're part of Mystery Incorporated, on the cusp of busting the riddle and ousting the big boogymen.
Dunno, maybe it is the academic in me which understands the importance of expertise in research? And how those with degrees in infectious disease management from the university of Youtube should learn to keep their fringe opinions about peoples health out of the public realm?
maybe the academic in you should also have a more open mind and appreciate debate more... you know, like academia used to be...
you seem to cherry pick your 'experts' just as much as the you tube university crew
sypkan wrote:maybe the academic in you should also have a more open mind and appreciate debate more... you know, like academia used to be...
you seem to cherry pick your 'experts' just as much as the you tube university crew
Maybe stok is one of those sensible academics who can spot bullshit a mile away and focuses on more reasonable trains of thought. There's a reason why academics don't debate flat earthers.
Blowin wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/large-peer-reviewed-research-study-pr...
If this thread was run like hunger games, only Freeride, Blowin, TylerDurden, Supafreak, Sypkan, Indo & myself would still be left playing the game
The ones who bend with the truth
shoredump wrote:Blowin wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/large-peer-reviewed-research-study-pr...
If this thread was run like hunger games, only Freeride, Blowin, Supafreak, Sypkan, Indo & myself would still be left playing the game
The ones who bend with the truth
...and it sure does feel like hunger games some days
Feels more like Squid games some days.
udo wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jan/25/neil-young-demands-spotify...
I like Neil but this is kind of sad.
If it was just some nobodies giving their views then fair enough, but we are talking about the views from some highly qualified people in their fields.
I personally think a lot of what they were saying is BS, but i still think they have the right to be heard and shouldn't be shut down.
burleigh wrote:blindboy wrote:supafreak going back to the vaccination of children the short answer is that, at some stage, they should be vaccinated. There are arguments based on risk/benefit that make some sense now but they won't in a few months time when the case numbers spike with the removal of restrictions and the impact of Omicron. The risk of serious cases in children may be small but the risk of the vaccine is still much lower. If children are not vaccinated it will spread rapidly amongst them exposing those children with existing health problems to an unacceptable risk. Similarly unvaccinated children will pose an increased risk to any vulnerable adults they live with.
As someone in a vulnerable age group I am happy to wait for a booster, one because I am able to take measures to avoid the current low risk of infection, two because I would like to have peak immunity at the peak.of the risk which is a couple of months down the track. If I had to commute everyday on crowded public transport my attitude would probably be different.You want to vaccinate healthy young kids to keep you safe? Potentially put kids at risk to make you feel ok?
You are sick mate and that’s child abuse.People have got the jab through pressure of losing their job, I hate to see the pressure the corrupt government is going to apply to try and get jabs in kids arms all without releasing any data.
I bet my house that bluey will get vaccinated early next year.
So ahh, Burleigh, doe's your place have a lap pool?? A little aquarium with live prawns and crayfish prime for scooping out? I like to change my dressing gowns daily so hoping theres a fresh supply lined up.. I'm hoping it has a raised deck overlooking the ocean for a celebratory cigar in said gown!! hahaha. :-P
(btw...assuming early next year meant January!)
Rafa developing a stomach issue during his 5 set match. I wonder....
I think you’ll find that the viral loads in people with Covid is higher and lasts longer in the elderly and those with pre-existing medical conditions that those that are unvaccinated.
So, sure viral load is higher in the unvaccinated for longer than vaccinated but highest in elderly and those that have an immune deficiency.
So are we more scared of them than the unvaccinated? Hmm not so easy a target compared to those anti-social moron antivaccers! Data is clear. Give it a rest on the unvaccinated I reckon
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia