COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
Vic Local wrote:sypkan wrote:maybe the academic in you should also have a more open mind and appreciate debate more... you know, like academia used to be...
you seem to cherry pick your 'experts' just as much as the you tube university crew
Maybe stok is one of those sensible academics who can spot bullshit a mile away and focuses on more reasonable trains of thought. There's a reason why academics don't debate flat earthers.
It's pretty easy to spot in this thread hey VL....if it's not flat out made up, it's backed up with a link which almost always leads to a far right, alt-truth source like Bitchute or Zerohedge! Sometimes a link to a YouTube video of Russell Brand or something.
@sypkan, I certainly don't pick my experts, earlier on in the pandemic I was checking in on Amesh Adalja's twitter, who is an infectious disease expert at John Hopkins. That's about it. I'm more interested in the collective advice.
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bluediamond wrote:Rafa developing a stomach issue during his 5 set match. I wonder....
BD, you're seemingly not bad bloke, but seriously, this is an example of by far one of the dumbest anti vax tropes which which have been running for the last few months.
Only the floggiest of flogs have been trying to link any random health event to vaccines. It's just embarrassing.
Stok wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Now, my views have evolved im still pro vax, but as we have learnt aspects of the vaccines short comings ive adapted my views, for instance its clear the vax doesn't prevent transmission, so ive had to change my views on mandates because if it doesn't stop transmission then why does it matter if someone else is vaccinated or not???
Also i just stood back and thought why am i hating on people for something that is and should be their personal choice.
Sounds to me like sometime in the last 2 years, you switched from listening to qualified, respectable people, to anti vax propaganda.
It's a common calling card from anti vaxxers to remind everyone how much of a failure this vaccine is.
'They said the pandemic would be over'
'They changed the definition of vaccines'
'They said it would stop transmission'The above, and the other common attacks they use, are flat out bullshit.
The vaccine was never purported to stop transmission, nor was it ever said to be perfect.
The vaccines, as always was the case, WAS purported to significantly reduce hospitalisations and deaths, which is still the case with Omicron. So that's why it matters, we have an extremely virulent, transmissible virus, which yes, is mild for the large proportion, yet is still spreading at a speed which is crippling our health systems. Which is in no way an acceptable outcome, yet there seems to be an idea that this is ok. If we didn't have the vax rates we have now, we'd be dealing with way more deaths and hospitalisations.
Vaccines are a method of defending this as best as possible, and due to our high vax rates, the governments have rolled the dice on staying open.
As I said before, the personal choice not to get vaccinated is actually not that bad, it's stupid, but not that bad. But spreading the BS propaganda is the height of idiocy.
To be fair your right originally the vax was never developed to prevent transmission and then it was said it could, and before to long we are being told we need to have it to prevent transmission, and then vaccine mandates came about in some areas, then it's now became real clear it doesn't prevent transmission.
To be honest its now starting to already feel like a blur a roller coaster ride for all of us of up and downs and forever changing narrative's, it's kind of exhausting.
I think people like me originally were just looking for answers and solutions and the vaccine was sold as the solution and we bought in to it, and well a lot of us have realized now that it's not the great saviour, it doesn't mean we wont get another shot or two, or that we are anti vaxers, its just we have kind of lost faith in the vaccine, my faith for some type of end or normal is more in Omicron and natural immunity for the community. (but off course if you are a high risk group go get the booster ASAP)
All hail our saviour and only real hope Omicron.
Stok wrote:bluediamond wrote:Rafa developing a stomach issue during his 5 set match. I wonder....
BD, you're seemingly not bad bloke, but seriously, this is an example of by far one of the dumbest anti vax tropes which which have been running for the last few months.
Only the floggiest of flogs have been trying to link any random health event to vaccines. It's just embarrassing.
Considering one of my best friend has spent the last 5 days in and out of hospital with a mild stroke due to Moderna (doctors words, not mine) i reckon being a little trigger happy at the moment on any unusual deteriorations of health the vaccinated are going through is warranted. Still have no idea if my friends going to get through this so if my views are a little skewed at the moment, you'll have to excuse me.
Btw, the TGA's reporting of adverse health effects from vaccines will tick over 100,000 this week. We all know the majority of these haven't been reported. VL will write off the TGA website as having made up stats. My friend will be one of those stats. She's not the only one i know who's been hammered by this fucked vaccine. Stok, you are the enemy in my opinion. My friend in hospital is a direct result of you and people like you championing the vaccine mandates.
Fair play BD - if I was close to someone who had a bad reaction to a vaccine it would be testing for me to.
Based on that data we're at about 1 reported reaction for 500 doses given.
As you've hinted, you'll read that to suit your narrative, depending on where you sit. Still, surely it makes you think that if it were some multi level conspiracy to get us all vaccinated to make money and damage our hearts, why would they report these so high?
Stok, you're an absolute wanker.
Stok and VL are surely mates or possibly Stok is VLs “educated” (I use that word loosely) alter ego.
Far out BD, think I might have to retract my previous statement about you being a good bloke.
I was simply replying to your very leading, loaded statement about Rafa having stomach issues.
I'm sorry about your friend, as I said I'm lucky enough not to have experienced that. Can I suggest talking to real people, face to face about such issues if you're emotionally charged about it. Online, anonymous forums aren't really the best...forum....for such things.
Lol, when people go head-to-head with BD and realise that they can’t win, that BD won’t back down and cave in to their attempts to grind him down, then they just resort to the “you’ve got problems and need to talk to someone” bullshit.. I’m fully over that.
Keep giving it to ‘em BD and don’t let their attempted manipulation faze you mate. You’ve got a heart of gold and would be one of the first I’d choose to go to war with.
These pro covid and vax worshipping brainwashed zombies are down their own gigantic rabbit hole and echo chamber. Their egos are so involved now that as the evidence mounts against them they just dig in deeper.
bd, losing the plot again. Log off and go away,
"Btw, the TGA's reporting of adverse health effects from vaccines will tick over 100,000 this week" Yeah I've seen that adverse health effects report. Stuff like Headaches, Nausea, tiredness etc etc etc. It's all self reported too so easily open to manipulation by anti-vax nutters. Maybe just maybe, people are blaming things on the vaccines that are common occurrences.
Also, the anti-vaxxers have got people so wound up, people start freaking out after the jabs and start reporting rapid heart rates, anxiety etc.
Here's a little bit of light reading about the AE of vaccine placebos.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00239-8/fulltext
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2788172
There's plenty of these studies and a very typical result is 30-35% of people who were given nothing more than saline solution reported AEs from the vaccine.
I'm not dismissing those who do have serious AEs from vaccines, but these are extremely rare and usually very treatable. What is painfully obvious is that about a third of people wrongly blame the vaccine for very common symptoms like headaches, sore joints, tiredness etc. Another painfully obvious thing is there's no shortage of anti-vax bullshit out there blaming the vaccines for all manner of non existent health problems.
gsco wrote:Lol, when people go head-to-head with BD and realise that they can’t win, that BD won’t back down and cave in to their attempts to grind him down, then they just resort to the “you’ve got problems and need to talk to someone” bullshit.. I’m fully over that.
Keep giving it to ‘em BD and don’t let their attempted manipulation faze you mate. You’ve got a heart of gold and would be one of the first I’d choose to go to war with.
These pro covid and vax worshipping brainwashed zombies are down their own gigantic rabbit hole and echo chamber. Their egos are so involved now that as the evidence mounts against them they just dig in deeper.
I guess you missed bd calling stok a wanker, for no reason. bd, is a crybaby.
The Health Ministry has declared cause of the three deaths as "overreaction to the vaccine," and not linked to the quality of the vaccine or the vaccination process. https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/4th-child-dies-after-pfizer-vaccine-in... just a mild reaction
Roadkill wrote:bd, losing the plot again. Log off and go away,
Toadkill. Vic locals dungeon gimp. Gimpdill!!
FFS people it's not about trying to change the minds of conspiracy nutters like BD, burliegh, blowin, robo and that new clown algae something something.
Sane people post here to try and stop others jumping down that miserable anti-vax / anti everything rabbit hole.
Those muppets mentioned above endlessly post crap by zerohedge, Rogan, rebel news, and anti-vax grifters. That doesn't make any of it true.
No matter how often there feelpinions are countered with facts from respected medical journals, these idiots are not changing their minds. They actually think they are smarter than medical professionals with decades of experience in the fields of virology and immunology.
Stop and think about this for a second. How hard is it to get into medical school? Very fucking hard. You'd need to be in the top 1% of school leavers. Finish med school and you can become a GP or junior doctor at a hospital. Those who go on to further research are the next level up from those really smart people who made it into and then graduated from med school. Their smarts are elite.
But on swellnet we have a handful of ex-tradies and gym junkies who have the fucking arrogance to think they know more than the collective wisdom of thousands of people with intelligence that fuckwits like burleigh don't even know exists.
So if you jump down that rabbit hole, you'll find it's filled with angry, stupid and deeply arrogant people who embarrass themselves on a daily basis.
bluediamond wrote:Rafa developing a stomach issue during his 5 set match. I wonder....
btw, Rafa had covid end of December….so more likely due to covid than the inference it was from a vaccine. Dumb as usual, bd.
gsco wrote:Lol, when people go head-to-head with BD and realise that they can’t win, that BD won’t back down and cave in to their attempts to grind him down, then they just resort to the “you’ve got problems and need to talk to someone” bullshit.. I’m fully over that.
Keep giving it to ‘em BD and don’t let their attempted manipulation faze you mate. You’ve got a heart of gold and would be one of the first I’d choose to go to war with.
These pro covid and vax worshipping brainwashed zombies are down their own gigantic rabbit hole and echo chamber. Their egos are so involved now that as the evidence mounts against them they just dig in deeper.
Cheers legend.
Just heard from my friend. She got through today. Thats all that really matters to me right now. Appreciate your kind words
this whole thing is like watching an episode of south Park. Talking to a mate the other day, we both agreed, the world is mostly full of dumb cunts. Maybe 80%. I went away and thought about that. Dont usually eat processed shit but today bought some frozen pies. The packet instructions were implicit in removing pies from plastic tray and packaging before cooking. People actually need these instructions. People actually need instructions. People need a leader. People especially like Vl and toadgimp need someone to tell them what to do. Fuck me.
Vic Local wrote:FFS people it's not about trying to change the minds of conspiracy nutters like BD, burliegh, blowin, robo and that new clown algae something something.
Sane people post here to try and stop others jumping down that miserable anti-vax / anti everything rabbit hole.
Those muppets mentioned above endlessly post crap by zerohedge, Rogan, rebel news, and anti-vax grifters. That doesn't make any of it true.
No matter how often there feelpinions are countered with facts from respected medical journals, these idiots are not changing their minds. They actually think they are smarter than medical professionals with decades of experience in the fields of virology and immunology.
Stop and think about this for a second. How hard is it to get into medical school? Very fucking hard. You'd need to be in the top 1% of school leavers. Finish med school and you can become a GP or junior doctor at a hospital. Those who go on to further research are the next level up from those really smart people who made it into and then graduated from med school. Their smarts are elite.
But on swellnet we have a handful of ex-tradies and gym junkies who have the fucking arrogance to think they know more than the collective wisdom of thousands of people with intelligence that fuckwits like burleigh don't even know exists.
So if you jump down that rabbit hole, you'll find it's filled with angry, stupid and deeply arrogant people who embarrass themselves on a daily basis.
Do you mean experts like Professor Borody and Clancy? Or do you claim to know more than them ?
Fanboy gsco strokes bd’s ego…bd believes the stroke is real….and starts posting garbage about pies. Funny stuff.
bluediamond wrote:Talking to a mate the other day, we both agreed, the world is mostly full of dumb cunts. Maybe 80%.
Ok yeah I firmly retract my statement of you being an ok bloke!
Supafreak wrote:Vic Local wrote:FFS people it's not about trying to change the minds of conspiracy nutters like BD, burliegh, blowin, robo and that new clown algae something something.
Sane people post here to try and stop others jumping down that miserable anti-vax / anti everything rabbit hole.
Those muppets mentioned above endlessly post crap by zerohedge, Rogan, rebel news, and anti-vax grifters. That doesn't make any of it true.
No matter how often there feelpinions are countered with facts from respected medical journals, these idiots are not changing their minds. They actually think they are smarter than medical professionals with decades of experience in the fields of virology and immunology.
Stop and think about this for a second. How hard is it to get into medical school? Very fucking hard. You'd need to be in the top 1% of school leavers. Finish med school and you can become a GP or junior doctor at a hospital. Those who go on to further research are the next level up from those really smart people who made it into and then graduated from med school. Their smarts are elite.
But on swellnet we have a handful of ex-tradies and gym junkies who have the fucking arrogance to think they know more than the collective wisdom of thousands of people with intelligence that fuckwits like burleigh don't even know exists.
So if you jump down that rabbit hole, you'll find it's filled with angry, stupid and deeply arrogant people who embarrass themselves on a daily basis.Do you mean experts like Professor Borody and Clancy? Or do you claim to know more than them ?
No I don't think I know more than them, but I would rather put my faith in the vast majority of experts who disagree with these two people.
As for Borody, bit of a conflict of interest there.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/18/doctor-who-advoca...
But hey, if it makes you happy, you pick the two professors that agree with you pre-conceived ideas, put them up on a pedestal, and ignore the millions of medical professionals who thoroughly disagree with their opinions.
Toadgimp. Let me kniw when you actually post anything meaningful and of substance. I'll put a special mark in my calendar for the day. Youre proving to be nothing but a gimp.
Thought! The earth has 7.7billion humans. Thats 7700million PLUS humans. Human growth is encouraged. Longevity of life is continually strived for. Life expectancy grows. Technology has moved so fast as human growth motors along exponentially
unchecked. At what point does it become obvious, that those at the helm, those holding the reins, and guiding the world, care very little for you the individual of more than 7000million humans but care only to prosper from your existence. If you haven't read the signs through all mediums of your time on this planet the vaccine being just another part of it, that WE are just pawns, youre delusional. Its to what degree of being a pawn do you accept? My body, my choice. That's my line in the sand, along with many many others. That's not alot to ask for in my puff of time on this planet, don't you think?
Vic Local wrote:Supafreak wrote:Vic Local wrote:FFS people it's not about trying to change the minds of conspiracy nutters like BD, burliegh, blowin, robo and that new clown algae something something.
Sane people post here to try and stop others jumping down that miserable anti-vax / anti everything rabbit hole.
Those muppets mentioned above endlessly post crap by zerohedge, Rogan, rebel news, and anti-vax grifters. That doesn't make any of it true.
No matter how often there feelpinions are countered with facts from respected medical journals, these idiots are not changing their minds. They actually think they are smarter than medical professionals with decades of experience in the fields of virology and immunology.
Stop and think about this for a second. How hard is it to get into medical school? Very fucking hard. You'd need to be in the top 1% of school leavers. Finish med school and you can become a GP or junior doctor at a hospital. Those who go on to further research are the next level up from those really smart people who made it into and then graduated from med school. Their smarts are elite.
But on swellnet we have a handful of ex-tradies and gym junkies who have the fucking arrogance to think they know more than the collective wisdom of thousands of people with intelligence that fuckwits like burleigh don't even know exists.
So if you jump down that rabbit hole, you'll find it's filled with angry, stupid and deeply arrogant people who embarrass themselves on a daily basis.Do you mean experts like Professor Borody and Clancy? Or do you claim to know more than them ?
No I don't think I know more than them, but I would rather put my faith in the vast majority of experts who disagree with these two people.
As for Borody, bit of a conflict of interest there.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/18/doctor-who-advoca...
But hey, if it makes you happy, you pick the two professors that agree with you pre-conceived ideas, put them up on a pedestal, and ignore the millions of medical professionals who thoroughly disagree with their opinions.
You actually believe your own bullshit . Maybe Borody should have let Pfizer do the patent, at least then we wouldn’t have so many needlessly dying and Borody freely shared his triple therapy with the world and many have successfully used it so your guardian article makes little sense . Doctors in Australia were using this protocol successfully until your favourite government stepped in . 600 Australians treated with no deaths.
Stok wrote:bluediamond wrote:Talking to a mate the other day, we both agreed, the world is mostly full of dumb cunts. Maybe 80%.
Ok yeah I firmly retract my statement of you being an ok bloke!
The greatest human experiment in history just took place and w a s swallowed hook line and sinker. Or should I just say toilet paper. Ffs wake the fuck up.
A disease of the lungs and the supermarket's sold out of toilet paper for the arse. You do the maths Stok. Youre the academic . Im guessing your cupboard is fully stokked. Toilet paper hoarding wanker.
BD, nobody is pinning you down and giving you a shot champ, but there are consequences for your lifestyle choice.
WTF should the taxpayer pick up the tab for you if you require hospital treatment for covid if you're too stupid to get a simple injection that would massively reduce your chances of needing hospital treatment?
You should also be charged a premium for health and travel insurance. WTF should I be charged higher premiums to cover your stupid arse?
And then of course there's the next inevitable variant. The vaccines were very effective in limiting transmission during the delta wave, not so much with omicron. WTF should you be allowed to go anywhere you want putting others in danger because you're too stupid to get vaccinated?
Yes the vaccines aren't perfect but they do significantly help protect people from getting covid and needing advanced medical treatment. I'm kind of getting the shits with weak "my body my choice (no consequences)" flogs who want everyone else to bend over backwards and pay for their stupid lifestyle choices.
VL I really would be happy to be left to rot for the selfish anti vax clown that you've made me out to be than to be protected by the ilks of people like you and the propaganda you swallow daily.
Death doesn't care which side youre on.
I don't think I can imagine the levels of fear you live with BD, I mean, you must feel personally targeted on a daily basis. Sadly, you've built the literal mountain out of a molehill here - one tiny needle - maximum irrational fear.
And despite your broad-brush and weird assumptions - I'm not in any way a hoarder. I was firmly pissed off throughout 2020 here in Melbs watching carnts empty the shelves because they felt the world collapsing around them. It's the epitome of privileged - there's literally people who can't afford a day's groceries, yet some people felt they needed to stack their fridges and pantries with way too much shit, which probably mostly went to waste anyway.
Also - @gsco, see what you've done? Don't encourage BD....for all of our sakes.
bluediamond wrote:So Novavax got approved. Hadn't seen that. Well that's good!
Because I'm so 'anti vax'
I've been open to the right medication all along. And I've made that clear. I've been sceptical of a medical trial that has left severe life long injuries on its participants, without offering either treatment options, even though proven options are available, or an alternative tried and tested vaccine. The push for the Mrna vaccines MUST be linked to the criminal history and actions of the companied pushing them. Ive posted all the evidence here before. Its been ignored by the pro covid dungeon dwellers. A clear agenda is in place, freedom of information has been withheld, and you lot wonder WHY all the questions confrontation and discontent.
If people choose to b vaccinated good on em. I do applaud their conviction. But to assume you can force that choice from someone based on everything we now know..fuck, sorry, but you should be hung.
25th Jan 2020 > Oz Covid - 2 years on....
Sharon openly recalls the first days of WHO Hooter > Covid > labs > Oz 1st virus transmission...
28th Jan 2020 > tbb will share the Goldie Covid Scare from same timeline!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7937217/Coronavirus-suspected-c...
Not said! Oz role in bigger picture!
Most nation's labs were supplied with case/s for virus to study before countdown to WHO hooter.
WHO had actually detailed how best to export Covid from Wuhan to approved labs!
Clever crew...These first City [+] sites play larger roles (eg:) Goldie > Diamond Princess > Qld CHO
Coincidence that Cities had #1 Bio Labs & cases were Military / Uni / Wuhan sister company reps!
It's no accident the Virus Outbreaks located near these Bio lab centres...not evil?
In fact some early Trials were included from same centres.
Not said here! CMO Brendan was still claiming you couldn't catch Covid from another! (Hence the trials!)
Recall he was pipped for Australian of the Year > One year on...a year ago today!
PS: Not long after this interview, our WHO rep Sharon was diagnosed with brain cancer!
swellnet crew wish Sharon the best of health...thanx for sharing the origin of our Oz covid story!
https://iview.abc.net.au/video/NC2131H005S00
0:00 - 9:00 > Oz Covid origin
9:00 - 15:30 > Modelling / Future
15:30- 19:20 > Career / HIV
19:20 -27:35 > Family origin.
Bonus OZ Day Double Dose..."Vaccine the inside story" features Qld V451 Vaccine (SBS Sign in)
https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/1933731395628/vaccine-the-inside-s...
Apologies Stok. Just a typical Melbourne wanker then.
BTW stok, try telling my friend who's life may never be the same again, it's just one little needle. Just hope this never happens to anyone you are close to.
bluediamond wrote:So fuck, sorry, but you should be hung.
Please, do continue BD, the night is young and the rabbit holes are deep.
Omicron Is Spreading. Resistance Is Futile
The good news is that the variant’s mildness makes preventing infection much less of a priority. As the Omicron wave crests, there’s bad news and good news. The bad news is that the main strategies for slowing its spread—repeated testing, masks and vaccine boosters—are largely futile for that purpose. The good news is that while protecting the vulnerable remains vital, slowing the spread of the virus needn’t be the priority. The biggest danger from Omicron is probably acute hospital staffing shortages, in part because of asymptomatic employees who stay home from work after testing positive.
Although Covid testing can be useful, it also has important limitations. The “gold standard” PCR tests are frequently too sensitive; research has shown that in many cases people who test positive are no longer contagious. The increasingly used rapid antigen tests have the opposite problem, often failing to detect infections during the earlier part of the five-day isolation period of presumed contagiousness. This coronavirus, especially the Omicron variant, is so fast-moving that mass testing and contact tracing, and probably even isolation and quarantine, can’t slow it down significantly. The U.K. and other countries, unlike the U.S., already had widespread rapid-testing capacity during their recent surges, yet they experienced the same meteoric rise in cases. As with other interventions such as booster shots, testing is most useful for those at high risk of serious complications, who might benefit from early treatment.
As for masking, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently acknowledged that cloth masks do relatively little to prevent spread. Some experts on coronaviruses, including epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, for nearly two years have questioned the efficacy of masks. A recent rigorous review by his University of Minnesota research group concludes: “We are well past the emergency phase of this pandemic, and it should be well-known by now that wearing cloth face coverings or surgical masks, universal or otherwise, has a very minor role to play. . . . It is time to stop overselling their efficacy and unrealistic expectations about their ability to end the pandemic.” The first large randomized community-level study, published last month in Science, found that while generic surgical masks provided a modest (about 10%) reduction in the risk of infection from Delta, cloth masks didn’t significantly reduce risk. Masks may be even less protective against an extremely contagious variant like Omicron.
That has led to calls for mandatory N95-type masks, which are more effective but harder to use. Some schools have even mandated them for children. Yet two years is a long time for anyone’s face to be covered for many hours a day, and it’s an interminably long time for young children, possibly leading to lasting psycho-social and other harms. Like Delta and earlier variants, Omicron doesn’t seriously threaten the vast majority of children; preliminary evidence suggests much less risk for youth than from Delta. An increasing number of public-health experts, including infectious-disease specialist Monica Gandhi, have called for ending school mask mandates soon. And while vaccines and boosters continue to offer strong protection against serious illness and death—and are therefore vitally important to those at high risk—they’re less effective at preventing infection, especially with the Omicron variant. While a new CDC study finds that boosters substantially reduce risk of infection as well as hospitalization from Omicron, countries like the U.K. and Israel that had widespread booster coverage before Omicron struck have also seen unprecedented surges in cases.
In any case, even if you get a booster now, the current surge probably will have subsided by the time immunity kicks in. It’s possible that future variants will arise against which currently administered boosters would still be useful, although by then immunity may have waned significantly. The European Medicines Agency recently cautioned that repeated boosters may weaken the immune system over time. Which brings us to the good news: Because the new variant is relatively mild and so many people already have some immunity from vaccines, prior infection or both, Omicron’s explosive spread is much less threatening than previous waves. A recent Southern California study looked at more than 50,000 patients infected with the new variant. Not one required mechanical ventilation and only one died, compared with 14 deaths and 11 ventilations out of some 17,000 infected by the Delta variant during the same period. Consistent with evidence from other countries, hospitalizations were considerably lower and average hospital stays much shorter among Omicron than Delta patients.
Although reported numbers of “Covid hospitalizations” are up nationally, these figures include patients admitted for other reasons who incidentally test positive. Based on data from several states and the U.K., it appears that roughly half these admissions likely aren’t caused mainly by the virus. Health and Human Services Department data indicate the total number of patients in U.S hospitals has hardly budged over the past six months. Because the new variant primarily targets the upper airways instead of the lungs, doctors report that few patients are requiring ventilation or even supplemental oxygen. Christopher Murray of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation estimates in the Lancet that the number of Omicron deaths “seems to be similar in most countries to the level of a bad influenza season in northern hemisphere countries.” In 2017-18, the flu caused some 52,000 deaths in the U.S., probably peaking at more than 1,500 a day.
Public-health authorities are beginning to come to terms with the passing of the Covid emergency. Six experts who advised the Biden transition, including Mr. Osterholm, earlier this month called for a pivot toward accepting Covid as an endemic disease, following the example of several European countries. As Anthony Fauci has acknowledged, “just about everybody” will eventually become infected. Some scientists have even suggested that Omicron may end up providing a kind of global “superimmunity” against serious illness from future variants. It’s past time to shift focus from trying to stamp out all new infections to protecting the most vulnerable from severe disease directly through vaccination and other evidence-based measures and alleviating hospital staffing shortages. Ending mask mandates, de-emphasizing isolation and encouraging vaccination ought to be a compromise most of us can live with.
Mr. Halperin is an adjunct professor at the Gillings School of Global Public Health at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill and author of “Facing Covid Without Panic.” https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-is-spreading-resistance-is-futile-m...
Stok wrote:bluediamond wrote:So fuck, sorry, but you should be hung.
Please, do continue BD, the night is young and the rabbit holes are deep.
Just for context because weak pieces of shit like Stok don't actually address the sum of all parts but feverishly find a snippet to try to hang you on...you don't work for channel 7 do you stok??
bluediamond wrote:
So Novavax got approved. Hadn't seen that. Well that's good!
Because I'm so 'anti vax'
I've been open to the right medication all along. And I've made that clear. I've been sceptical of a medical trial that has left severe life long injuries on its participants, without offering either treatment options, even though proven options are available, or an alternative tried and tested vaccine. The push for the Mrna vaccines MUST be linked to the criminal history and actions of the companied pushing them. Ive posted all the evidence here before. Its been ignored by the pro covid dungeon dwellers. A clear agenda is in place, freedom of information has been withheld, and you lot wonder WHY all the questions confrontation and discontent.
If people choose to b vaccinated good on em. I do applaud their conviction. But to assume you can force that choice from someone based on everything we now know..fuck, sorry, but you should be hung.
bluediamond wrote:BTW stok, try telling my friend who's life may never be the same again, it's just one little needle. Just hope this never happens to anyone you are close to.
Heartless scum @stok
@stok, quiz time! Who has the largest criminal record in the United Stares?? Hint, its not Ronald McDonald.
Supafreak wrote:Omicron Is Spreading. Resistance Is Futile
The good news is that the variant’s mildness makes preventing infection much less of a priority. As the Omicron wave crests, there’s bad news and good news. The bad news is that the main strategies for slowing its spread—repeated testing, masks and vaccine boosters—are largely futile for that purpose. The good news is that while protecting the vulnerable remains vital, slowing the spread of the virus needn’t be the priority. The biggest danger from Omicron is probably acute hospital staffing shortages, in part because of asymptomatic employees who stay home from work after testing positive.Although Covid testing can be useful, it also has important limitations. The “gold standard” PCR tests are frequently too sensitive; research has shown that in many cases people who test positive are no longer contagious. The increasingly used rapid antigen tests have the opposite problem, often failing to detect infections during the earlier part of the five-day isolation period of presumed contagiousness. This coronavirus, especially the Omicron variant, is so fast-moving that mass testing and contact tracing, and probably even isolation and quarantine, can’t slow it down significantly. The U.K. and other countries, unlike the U.S., already had widespread rapid-testing capacity during their recent surges, yet they experienced the same meteoric rise in cases. As with other interventions such as booster shots, testing is most useful for those at high risk of serious complications, who might benefit from early treatment.
As for masking, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently acknowledged that cloth masks do relatively little to prevent spread. Some experts on coronaviruses, including epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, for nearly two years have questioned the efficacy of masks. A recent rigorous review by his University of Minnesota research group concludes: “We are well past the emergency phase of this pandemic, and it should be well-known by now that wearing cloth face coverings or surgical masks, universal or otherwise, has a very minor role to play. . . . It is time to stop overselling their efficacy and unrealistic expectations about their ability to end the pandemic.” The first large randomized community-level study, published last month in Science, found that while generic surgical masks provided a modest (about 10%) reduction in the risk of infection from Delta, cloth masks didn’t significantly reduce risk. Masks may be even less protective against an extremely contagious variant like Omicron.
That has led to calls for mandatory N95-type masks, which are more effective but harder to use. Some schools have even mandated them for children. Yet two years is a long time for anyone’s face to be covered for many hours a day, and it’s an interminably long time for young children, possibly leading to lasting psycho-social and other harms. Like Delta and earlier variants, Omicron doesn’t seriously threaten the vast majority of children; preliminary evidence suggests much less risk for youth than from Delta. An increasing number of public-health experts, including infectious-disease specialist Monica Gandhi, have called for ending school mask mandates soon. And while vaccines and boosters continue to offer strong protection against serious illness and death—and are therefore vitally important to those at high risk—they’re less effective at preventing infection, especially with the Omicron variant. While a new CDC study finds that boosters substantially reduce risk of infection as well as hospitalization from Omicron, countries like the U.K. and Israel that had widespread booster coverage before Omicron struck have also seen unprecedented surges in cases.
In any case, even if you get a booster now, the current surge probably will have subsided by the time immunity kicks in. It’s possible that future variants will arise against which currently administered boosters would still be useful, although by then immunity may have waned significantly. The European Medicines Agency recently cautioned that repeated boosters may weaken the immune system over time. Which brings us to the good news: Because the new variant is relatively mild and so many people already have some immunity from vaccines, prior infection or both, Omicron’s explosive spread is much less threatening than previous waves. A recent Southern California study looked at more than 50,000 patients infected with the new variant. Not one required mechanical ventilation and only one died, compared with 14 deaths and 11 ventilations out of some 17,000 infected by the Delta variant during the same period. Consistent with evidence from other countries, hospitalizations were considerably lower and average hospital stays much shorter among Omicron than Delta patients.
Although reported numbers of “Covid hospitalizations” are up nationally, these figures include patients admitted for other reasons who incidentally test positive. Based on data from several states and the U.K., it appears that roughly half these admissions likely aren’t caused mainly by the virus. Health and Human Services Department data indicate the total number of patients in U.S hospitals has hardly budged over the past six months. Because the new variant primarily targets the upper airways instead of the lungs, doctors report that few patients are requiring ventilation or even supplemental oxygen. Christopher Murray of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation estimates in the Lancet that the number of Omicron deaths “seems to be similar in most countries to the level of a bad influenza season in northern hemisphere countries.” In 2017-18, the flu caused some 52,000 deaths in the U.S., probably peaking at more than 1,500 a day.
Public-health authorities are beginning to come to terms with the passing of the Covid emergency. Six experts who advised the Biden transition, including Mr. Osterholm, earlier this month called for a pivot toward accepting Covid as an endemic disease, following the example of several European countries. As Anthony Fauci has acknowledged, “just about everybody” will eventually become infected. Some scientists have even suggested that Omicron may end up providing a kind of global “superimmunity” against serious illness from future variants. It’s past time to shift focus from trying to stamp out all new infections to protecting the most vulnerable from severe disease directly through vaccination and other evidence-based measures and alleviating hospital staffing shortages. Ending mask mandates, de-emphasizing isolation and encouraging vaccination ought to be a compromise most of us can live with.
Mr. Halperin is an adjunct professor at the Gillings School of Global Public Health at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill and author of “Facing Covid Without Panic.” https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-is-spreading-resistance-is-futile-m...
I'm no expert Supafreak, but this sounds like the effects of a never before seen wave of 7000 million plus humans on this planet. I guess we're just finding out where our tipping point is!! Jab away! Im sure all the answers are in the jab.
amazing to think there's double the amount of humans on this planet a shy 3000 million to when i was born. But yes, cant see where the problems are arising! Climate change? Diseases. No way. Nothing to see here. Not to mention the fucking suoerbank! Love your work supafresk. Cheers
bloody hell.. hope Stus not counting my posts today! I've had a big day!! :-P
bluediamond wrote:@stok, quiz time! Who has the largest criminal record in the United Stares?? Hint, its not Ronald McDonald.
bluediamond wrote:Just for context because weak pieces of shit like Stok don't actually address the sum of all parts but feverishly find a snippet to try to hang you on...you don't work for channel 7 do you stok??
BD, I can assure you, even if I wanted to I could never, ever address the sum of all parts of what you've been posting tonight. You've taken the cake.
I know it's kind of cliche, but go to sleep early, get some waves tomorrow and stop browsing the Web hunting down answers to back up your own suspicions.
Typical cowardly response Stok. Nothing more than I expected.
Hi. My name is Stok. Im going to google 'largest criminal fine in US history ' just to see what comes up.
I hate people browsing the Web to suit their own suspicions but surely an open question like that cant be hard to answer.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/sep/02/pfizer-drugs-us-crimina...
Ahh shit. How am I going to deny this..
bluediamond wrote:Yeah makes sense about people trying to stay away from being close contacts @Stok. Cheers for the feedback from Melbs.
How it started.
bluediamond wrote:Typical cowardly response Stok. Nothing more than I expected.
How it ended.
@stok. You've avoided every debate that you yourself has put forward. Ive put all my thoughts above. You've avoided all if them. No worries you don't have to, but to cut tiny snippets of any of my posts and not actually debate. I fo think you have nothing of substance to say. Feel free to respond. I am convinced you're a dipshit.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia