COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

You’ve had thoughts of shutting down the debate Craig?
Interesting…

Again Craig, thank you to yourself and Ben and Stu. Whilst it may not appear so to the casual observer, this thread has actually helped preserve my sanity through providing an uncensored forum to discuss, debate and fight like cats and dogs over the unfolding covid saga.

Every day I wake up to a coffee and check the news online only to be utterly amazed at the obvious lies and bullsh1t being peddled. The thing is ….you can never respond on these MSM articles due to the censorship.

I don’t get too heated in covid discussions with friends so I don’t have that outlet to vent or try to dissect the rubbish I hear elsewhere.

A lot of truths have been uncovered from the dung pile on this thread.

People are now aware of the reality of covid. Like anything it just needed to be brought out into the sunlight so everyone could get a good look at it. Pretty hard to maintain the “ indiscriminate Spanish Flu killing machine “ routine when everyone in your street, vaccinated or not, is getting the sniffles and the resounding response is ….’Meh”.

Craig wrote:

Blowin that was being stated with no proof. And I immediately went and looked and confirmed. Try and find another example.

This whole time I've been advocating for not overwhelming the health system and now Omicron has evolved along with most being vaccinated we've got ourselves a break. Though the system is still highly stressed.

You honestly believe that , for the vast majority of people, vaccination status matters two licks of fuck all for Omicron?

Or Delta for that matter?

BTW…I’m not going back through two hundred pages of threads looking a for your indiscretions. I’m sure you think,I’ve been talking shit for two years . Thing is though…I’ve stuck to my opinions throughout since I realised that covid was an overhyped beast. The liners here have less luck maintaining their stories as theyre always changing. I make it a point to remember the shirt they say in order to serve it up to them cold a bit later. I’ve never bothered remembering the specifics of things you say because I believe you at least say them in good faith.

So Craig, you are quite happy to publish misleading medical advice in a pandemic? And, in the absence of any other possible explanation for such unethical behaviour, I do tend to believe the traffic through the forums contributes to the site's profitability.

bluediamond wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Craig wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Craig wrote:

Sorry Robo. There's so much mis-information in this thread, it's no good for anyone. Hard to keep on top of popping in and out of it.

And you’ve spread your fair share.

You for real?!

Atleast he didn't call you a c**t..lol

Still waiting for you to walk me through your logic of catching covid in a cafe from the vaccinated Roadkill.....feel free.

BD, I gave you the answer.

Responsibility, negligence and culpability.

Look, if your not quite smart enough to comprehend, It's not my problem.

blindboy wrote:

So Craig, you are quite happy to publish misleading medical advice in a pandemic? And, in the absence of any other possible explanation for such unethical behaviour, I do tend to believe the traffic through the forums contributes to the site's profitability.

Yeah, he did publish your repeated demands to inject toddlers with poison jabs.

There you go lovely example of what I am complaining about. Fuckwit calling vaccines poison!

Roadkill wrote:

bluediamond wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Craig wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Craig wrote:

Sorry Robo. There's so much mis-information in this thread, it's no good for anyone. Hard to keep on top of popping in and out of it.

And you’ve spread your fair share.

You for real?!

Atleast he didn't call you a c**t..lol

Still waiting for you to walk me through your logic of catching covid in a cafe from the vaccinated Roadkill.....feel free.

BD, I gave you the answer.

Responsibility, negligence and culpability.

Look, if your not quite smart enough to comprehend, It's not my problem.

Curious to the form that responsibility, negligence and culpability take for someone who demands that unvaccinated people be rejected by civilisation and treated like criminals. Even demanding they don’t receive medical treatment is a whole special category of culpability.

You should really hope that unvaccinated people never discover your identity bloke. I wouldn’t want to be you in that case.

Oh look, the ex-carpenter is handing out free medical advice again.
Yawn.

Roadkill wrote:

bluediamond wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Craig wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Craig wrote:

Sorry Robo. There's so much mis-information in this thread, it's no good for anyone. Hard to keep on top of popping in and out of it.

And you’ve spread your fair share.

You for real?!

Atleast he didn't call you a c**t..lol

Still waiting for you to walk me through your logic of catching covid in a cafe from the vaccinated Roadkill.....feel free.

BD, I gave you the answer.

Responsibility, negligence and culpability.

Look, if your not quite smart enough to comprehend, It's not my problem.

Roadkill, you've made it abundantly clear that you think i'm stupid, so yes please. Could you please walk me through this statement step by step. I actually don't understand it. Is it because The News said the unvaxxed are bad??
"Roadkill wrote:
burleigh, if my mother catches covid in a cafe from a fully vaxxed customer and dies, so be it, no one is responsible. If my mother catches covid in a cafe from a non vaxxed asshole customer and dies, that unvaxed asshole customer is 100% responsible for my mothers death"

"How the fuck do we have a situation where the Federal government doesn't collect the stats from RATs? That's just ridiculous. Why the fuck is everyone scrambling for RATs and private companies are gouging the public? Scumo dropped the ball.
What exactly has Scumo done right? I'm struggling to find anything in the last few months. The guy is a fraud."

Agree.

Roadkill wrote:

bluediamond wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Craig wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Craig wrote:

Sorry Robo. There's so much mis-information in this thread, it's no good for anyone. Hard to keep on top of popping in and out of it.

And you’ve spread your fair share.

You for real?!

Atleast he didn't call you a c**t..lol

Still waiting for you to walk me through your logic of catching covid in a cafe from the vaccinated Roadkill.....feel free.

BD, I gave you the answer.

Responsibility, negligence and culpability.

Look, if your not quite smart enough to comprehend, It's not my problem.

So RK, in that cafe situation, if there are infected people that are both vaccinated and unvaccinated, how are you going to determine who your mother caught it off??

How do you determine, beyond reasonable doubt, "Responsibility, negligence and culpability". ??

“Delta yes. Omicron not so sure”

For sure ….look at all those deaths from Delta amongst the healthy which occurred , even to this day, amongst a few million unvaccinated Australians.

Yes….that would be almost no deaths.

So it’s a big yeah…nah to the idea that Delta would have a torn a swathe through healthy Australians.

@Blindboy
"So Craig, you are quite happy to publish misleading medical advice in a pandemic?"

Jeez once again you're promoting a very illiberal way of dealing with what you don't like.
It could even be described as authoritarian.

Australia’s changing in stance and definitions on a daily basis over the past few weeks shows just how arbitrary and baseless it all is now.

Totally understandable that people are having trouble processing things right now.

AndyM wrote:

"How the fuck do we have a situation where the Federal government doesn't collect the stats from RATs? That's just ridiculous. Why the fuck is everyone scrambling for RATs and private companies are gouging the public? Scumo dropped the ball.
What exactly has Scumo done right? I'm struggling to find anything in the last few months. The guy is a fraud."

Agree.

Scummo isn’t a fraud , he’s as much a purist as you’ll ever come across.

The problem is that people think he’s a wolf in Sheep’s clothing when he’s really just an ordinary undisguised hyena.

AndyM wrote:

@Blindboy
"So Craig, you are quite happy to publish misleading medical advice in a pandemic? "

Jeez once again you're promoting a very illiberal way of dealing with what you don't like.
It could even be described as authoritarian.

The question is :

Is his attitude the result of the proxy authority derived from commanding gormless teenagers every day as a teacher, or was it intrinsic authoritarianism which drew him to teaching?

https://m.

Ratted!

bluediamond wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

bluediamond wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Craig wrote:

Blowin wrote:

Craig wrote:

Sorry Robo. There's so much mis-information in this thread, it's no good for anyone. Hard to keep on top of popping in and out of it.

And you’ve spread your fair share.

You for real?!

Atleast he didn't call you a c**t..lol

Still waiting for you to walk me through your logic of catching covid in a cafe from the vaccinated Roadkill.....feel free.

BD, I gave you the answer.

Responsibility, negligence and culpability.

Look, if your not quite smart enough to comprehend, It's not my problem.

Roadkill, you've made it abundantly clear that you think i'm stupid, so yes please. Could you please walk me through this statement step by step. I actually don't understand it. Is it because The News said the unvaxxed are bad??
"Roadkill wrote:
burleigh, if my mother catches covid in a cafe from a fully vaxxed customer and dies, so be it, no one is responsible. If my mother catches covid in a cafe from a non vaxxed asshole customer and dies, that unvaxed asshole customer is 100% responsible for my mothers death"

And sometimes, an unvaxed customer is not negligent or culpable. ;)

I think I get your point - he's as dishonest and duplicitous as you'll find but this should be quite obvious to anyone with a brain.
But the daggy "everyman" schtick is a fraud, even if everything else
is/should be straightforward.

Vic Local wrote:

Oh look, the ex-carpenter is handing out free medical advice again.
Yawn.

I don’t hand out anything, I collate the truth.

Not my fault that you react to the truth like the Wicked Witch of the west reacts to water.

Bloke.

Hey….shouldn’t you be bilking taxpayers for cash right now Bloke?

Blowin wrote:

AndyM wrote:

@Blindboy
"So Craig, you are quite happy to publish misleading medical advice in a pandemic? "

Jeez once again you're promoting a very illiberal way of dealing with what you don't like.
It could even be described as authoritarian.

The question is :

Is his attitude the result of the proxy authority derived from commanding gormless teenagers every day as a teacher, or was it intrinsic authoritarianism which drew him to teaching?

Decades of being a teacher (or a policeman etc etc) will definitely hone that shit.

on the 2nd 6pack, snowflake?

What's your prefered brand? I like cider myself..after a nice ride.

"I don’t hand out anything, I collate the truth."
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaa
Yes blowin, and I'm on the Championship Tour.

Andy, ethical publishers fact check. That is not censorship or illiberal, it is responsibility. If they publish something later found to be incorrect, they publish a correction. Swellnet refuses to acknowledge that it plays a role in distributing medical misinformation during a pandemic. There is no need to shut down the debate, they just have to delete the posts that are not factual. If they do not have the resources to do that then they should shut the forums as many other more responsible sites have done over the same issues.

Andy, ethical publishers fact check. That is not censorship or illiberal, it is responsibility. If they publish something later found to be incorrect, they publish a correction. Swellnet refuses to acknowledge that it plays a role in distributing medical misinformation during a pandemic. There is no need to shut down the debate, they just have to delete the posts that are not factual. If they do not have the resources to do that then they should shut the forums as many other more responsible sites have done over the same issues.

Roadkill wrote:

on the 2nd 6pack, snowflake?

What's your prefered brand? I like cider myself..after a nice ride.

I don’t hardly drink anymore. There’s a fork in the road and the sooner you see it the better I reckon.

You can take the road to the left , which is having a great time getting into the piss and eating whatever you choose , or you can take the road to the right which is treating your body with respect and prioritising physical pursuits and a pain free, capable existence over failing organs and prematurely declining athletic abilities…irresponsible how meagre your starting point.

Neither road guarantees a long, healthy life but one path certainly shows a lot more promise than the other.

I do love a beer though and I fully understand why you’d want to down a few ciders after your rides. I’d be power drinking to forget the public humiliation of living the Lycra clad Penny Farthing MAMIL nightmare myself.

blindboy wrote:

Andy, ethical publishers fact check. That is not censorship or illiberal, it is responsibility. If they publish something later found to be incorrect, they publish a correction. Swellnet refuses to acknowledge that it plays a role in distributing medical misinformation during a pandemic. There is no need to shut down the debate, they just have to delete the posts that are not factual. If they do not have the resources to do that then they should shut the forums as many other more responsible sites have done over the same issues.

Honest question:

Why are you discussing this in the abstract as though your innumerable posts are not a virtual open sewer of mindless lies and excrement flowing relentlessly down the pages ?

Why Sicko…why?

Vic Local wrote:

"I don’t hand out anything, I collate the truth."
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaa
Yes blowin, and I'm on the Championship Tour.

Really ?

I always assumed you were a world ranked stupid carnt.

Nice to have some official confirmation bloke.

blindboy wrote:

Andy, ethical publishers fact check. That is not censorship or illiberal, it is responsibility. If they publish something later found to be incorrect, they publish a correction. Swellnet refuses to acknowledge that it plays a role in distributing medical misinformation during a pandemic. There is no need to shut down the debate, they just have to delete the posts that are not factual. If they do not have the resources to do that then they should shut the forums as many other more responsible sites have done over the same issues.

So you’re suggesting swellnet becomes part of the TNI ?

Calm down and go for a surf bb

blindboy wrote:

Andy, ethical publishers fact check. That is not censorship or illiberal, it is responsibility. If they publish something later found to be incorrect, they publish a correction. Swellnet refuses to acknowledge that it plays a role in distributing medical misinformation during a pandemic. There is no need to shut down the debate, they just have to delete the posts that are not factual. If they do not have the resources to do that then they should shut the forums as many other more responsible sites have done over the same issues.

It would be impossible to do this even experts cant agree on a lot of things.

Im sure people when reading the forum know post are the opinion of those posting or others and make a decision on if its true or not or can investigate further.

Anyway your truth might not be the same as someone else's truth, for instance one person may believe god exists or that there is 60 genders, another might say no sorry common sense and logic says neither exists, but you have the right to believe they do.

Nobody really knows anything.
Day to day guesswork.

Two lousy fucking years, and we now are fighting over rat test kits.

Probably buying them from China too...

https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/05/study-raises-doubts-about-rapid-covi...

Does anyone have stats of omicron deaths , icu cases , ventilated ? https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/australia-re...

Completely calm salty just taking a break between sessions. supa I am not suggesting anything more than Swellnet take responsibility for what it publishes. If that idea is a bit old fashioned in these days of illogical libertarian thinking the consequences of which are all around us, I make no apology. Idiocy is reborn in different forms in every generation. It's also worth remembering that Swellnet was, and probably still is happy to host climate deniers.

Roadkill wrote:

on the 2nd 6pack, snowflake?

What's your prefered brand? I like cider myself..after a nice ride.

There is a few of us still waiting for your cafe justification Roadkill.

Blindboy is calling for the good old fashioned censorship of ideas he doesn’t like. Nothing more, nothing less.

A year ago he would have been demanding censorship when people said the vaccinated could transmit the virus.

That’s the thing about authoritarianism….they are only doing the right thing by protecting people from lies . Of course, only they get to decide what’s a lie.

blindboy wrote:

Completely calm salty just taking a break between sessions. supa I am not suggesting anything more than Swellnet take responsibility for what it publishes. If that idea is a bit old fashioned in these days of illogical libertarian thinking the consequences of which are all around us, I make no apology. Idiocy is reborn in different forms in every generation. It's also worth remembering that Swellnet was, and probably still is happy to host climate deniers.

geezus you must be fun at parties.

From the Highly Regarded Macrobusiness site+

NT locks unvaccinated in their homes
By Unconventional Economist in
The Northern Territory has turned full police state, announcing today that the unvaccinated will effectively be locked in their homes until midday on Monday [my emphasis]:

The NT has recorded 256 new cases of COVID-19, including 27 cases of community transmission, Chief Minister Michael Gunner said…

Territory-wide, there are 23 people with COVID-19 in hospital and two in the ICU.

“Today’s escalation in case numbers is concerning,” Mr Gunner said.

“Our community transmission rate has grown in recent days.”

There will be a NT-wide lockout from 1pm today until midday on Monday.

“The fully vaccinated can continue as they were. For people who are not vaccinated, lockdown rules will apply to everyone aged 16 and above,” Mr Gunner said.

People who are not fully vaccinated can only leave home for three reasons: medical treatment including COVID testing or vaccination; for essential goods and services such as groceries; and to provide care to a vulnerable family member or person who cannot support themselves.

Unvaccinated people cannot travel more than 30 kilometres from their home when leaving for one of the three reasons, unless you are going to hospital.

Unlike previous lockdown rules, unvaccinated people will not be able to leave home to go to work or for exercise, Mr Gunner said.

All for a COVID strain that is less deadly than those that preceded it.

indo-dreaming wrote:

It would be impossible to do this even experts cant agree on a lot of things.

Im sure people when reading the forum know post are the opinion of those posting or others and make a decision on if its true or not.

Anyway your truth might not be the same as someone else's truth, for instance one person may believe god exists or that there is 60 genders, another might say no sorry common sense and logic says neither exists, but you have the right to believe they do.

Spot on ID.

I think the debate in here is fantastic and I would in no way want it shut down or censored. (Maybe just occasionally a little less personal attacking and anger.)

The worst possible outcome would be moving towards a society where we're not allowed to think independently and originally, or express those ideas freely, even those ideas that in hindsight turn out to be silly.

I don't really see any misinformation in here. Just a bunch of blokes having a good crack at debate and exchanging differing opinions and views, with the overall aim of trying to understand things. And often it's just about having their views heard and acknowledged, bouncing ideas off other people, having a good laugh, taking the piss out of various low hanging fruit...etc...all good!

I think there's really no need to get upset about any of it, even when it does stand in opposition to one's own belief system and values, and it would be wrong to label something as nonfactual or conspiracy theory or misinformation just because you don't agree with it or hold that belief.

blindboy wrote:

Completely calm salty just taking a break between sessions. supa I am not suggesting anything more than Swellnet take responsibility for what it publishes. If that idea is a bit old fashioned in these days of illogical libertarian thinking the consequences of which are all around us, I make no apology. Idiocy is reborn in different forms in every generation. It's also worth remembering that Swellnet was, and probably still is happy to host climate deniers.

Is that true Craig ? Your happy to host climate deniers ? You don’t need to answer Craig, I understand how you feel about climate change . BB I know you’re on these forums as you feel obligated to protect the weak and vulnerable minds from misinformation, but I think you underestimate most people’s ability to think for themselves .

This thread is properly garbage yet I keep clicking and reading it like a mug.

On a lighter note, I encountered an interesting point of view when catching up with some old high school mates the other day. One of my mates was unvaccinated yet he was pissed off that the government hadn't made the Vax mandatory. The bloke is such a lazy stoner that he can't be asked to book a test - and is pleading the gov to kick him up the backside to get it. So there you go, someone who is both unvaxxed and has the hardest stance on mandatory Vax I've encountered.

Wow, BB demanding Craig apologise for spreading medical misinformation on his site.
Fuck me, people living in glass houses shouldn't be detonating nuclear bombs.
Craig has tolerated two years of endless bullshit from half a dozen tin foil hat wearing nutters, and now one of them is making demands on him. That takes the biscuit.

So the burleigh hill during this cyclone swell is a bit of a super spreader event. I know of 7 people confirmend, with family also infected. Common location was burleigh hill.

Just to clarify, when I say the thread is garbage, I'm not trying to attack anyone personally, even those whose point of view I struggle to understand.

Greater lenience for those down south who seemed to have 2 years of shit waves!

blindboy wrote:

Completely calm salty just taking a break between sessions. supa I am not suggesting anything more than Swellnet take responsibility for what it publishes. If that idea is a bit old fashioned in these days of illogical libertarian thinking the consequences of which are all around us, I make no apology. Idiocy is reborn in different forms in every generation. It's also worth remembering that Swellnet was, and probably still is happy to host climate deniers.

If you want mainstream rules, go to mainstream websites. This obviously isn't the place for you. And who the fuck are you to dictate what SN should do.

You are complicit with the BS you are complaining about. Just because your daughter is a nurse, does not make you a medical professional.