COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

Look, I have Nothing against anyone those that got Jabbed to keep their jobs, fortunately I don’t have too have been self employed for 30 years, but like I have said to my Mrs if their was no choice what would we do sell up and go live in a caravan lol, she is deadset against it for health issues, we have 4 kids 3 are jabbed all because of keeping their jobs.
1 didn’t but she still lives at home, but even the uni wants her done to keep her teaching degree going, 1 year done and has prac coming up, her boyfriend managed to finish is nursing degree before Xmas on a health exemption, was offered a 2 year job/contract in a hospital but is not taking it.
This is my main issue, people lives are being ruined by politicians making these rules that don’t obtain to them, they don’t have to be jabbed to keep their jobs.
If your not healthy enough to survive Covid, the flu or something else will get you anyway.
Stop controlling peoples lives. Something very evil is going on here.

burleigh wrote:

Vic Local wrote:

Oh FFS gsco, I've worked as a journo for a bit so I question everything. It's a matter of looking at the evidence, evaluating the source, and ignoring the bullshit. I go to Johns Hopkins University for facts and figures, you flogs go to YouTube, Avi the wife basher, and Rogan.
Your mob have come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories, flat out lies, and fuck all evidence. This idea that 700 people in Australia have died from the vaccine is just a flat out lie. So too is the crap you lot spread about vaccines not working. blowin's 99.995% survival rate is just fucking laughable.
I for one find it stunning you lot can keep bullshitting, day in day out, despite all the evidence that contradicts your bullshit.
Whenever someone points out your bullshit, you lot reach for some grand conspiracy theory. When you can't prove 700 people have died in Australia due to the vaccine, you claim (with zero fucking evidence) that doctors will lose their jobs if they tell the truth.
You lot are so pathetic, it's actually sad. You're in the antivax cult, and you just don't realise how badly you are getting played.

Ahh a washed up angry journalist. They are as trustworthy as a washed up used car salesman.

It’s all making sense now

Could be worse a realestate agent lol

goofyfoot wrote:

What’s the real survival rate then VL?

Here’s the statistics as from a couple of days ago. Note that all given percentages are exaggerated towards much higher rates of death than reality due to many ( hundreds of thousands?) of cases not being recorded. In fact just the last couple of days since there’s been probably about 70,000 more recorded cases not yet to hit the statistics but only about another dozen desths.

Also of note is that many of these deaths are not explicitly covid deaths. There are accounts of people waiting to die in palliative care being recorded as a covid death and the sole fatality in the 0-9 age bracket is extremely doubtful a covid case as evidenced by suspect headlines and referral to coroner.

There is also the fact that the major of deaths have occurred in aged care facilities where the average duration of life once someone is placed into aged care is 6 months ( ! )

Here is the minimum percentage survival rates by age :

0-9 : 99.998%

10-19: 99.997%

20-29: 99.992%

30-39: 99.975%

40-49: 99.924%

50- 59: 99.7%

60-69: 99.05%

70-79: 96.2%

80- 89: 89.5%

90+: 77.0%

Basically, if you are semi healthy you will survive covid. If you are very sick you will probably survive covid. 90% of people in their 80s survive covid !!!!!!!!

77 out of every 100 people over 90 survive covid ….that’s how high the survival rate for covid is and has been the whole time. In the 18 months of covid prior to vaccines being introduced in Australia, the average age of a covid fatality was 86.9 years old !!!!!

Even using the most extremely, unfairly generous statistics possible there has been less than 79 people under 50 die WITH covid in two years …..out of millions and millions of people. In that time there’s been over 35,000 die from heart disease.

But unvaccinated people who don’t spread disease any more than vaccinated people are publicly treated like scum by the highest politicians in the land and scum buckets everywhere are entitled to treat them like the Nazis treated the Jews in 1936. There is around 25 unvaccinated people in ICU in Victoria and those scum buckets claim the unvaccinated are clogging the hospitals and the unvaccinated are guilty of murdering grandmothers!!!!

Lol.

It is , without doubt , the most overhyped situation the world has ever seen. Y2K to the power of a trillion million billion.

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.

Ok roadkill the floors yours , lay it out for me . What exactly is the science that I’m screaming down and what am I refusing to listen too ?

Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.

This will be great…….

But the health hazard said we all will get it in Australia, how will he know who gave to his mother lma.

Robo wrote:

Look, I have Nothing against anyone those that got Jabbed to keep their jobs, fortunately I don’t have too have been self employed for 30 years, but like I have said to my Mrs if their was no choice what would we do sell up and go live in a caravan lol, she is deadset against it for health issues, we have 4 kids 3 are jabbed all because of keeping their jobs.
1 didn’t but she still lives at home, but even the uni wants her done to keep her teaching degree going, 1 year done and has prac coming up, her boyfriend managed to finish is nursing degree before Xmas on a health exemption, was offered a 2 year job/contract in a hospital but is not taking it.
This is my main issue, people lives are being ruined by politicians making these rules that don’t obtain to them, they don’t have to be jabbed to keep their jobs.
If your not healthy enough to survive Covid, the flu or something else will get you anyway.
Stop controlling peoples lives. Something very evil is going on here.

I agree with you about politicians excusing themselves, whilst telling others. They should do the same or loose their jobs.

Ben Harding wrote:

Substantial opportunity cost? What's the cost? What do people lose by spending the time asking questions of what is happening around them. Time spent with family? Time surfing? Genuine question.

All of the above & more. Excessive underground web surfing & social media use is a huge detriment to society.

Ben Harding wrote:

Very easy to dismiss people asking genuine questions as simply going down "conspiracy-ridden rabbit holes". Surely we are passed that superficial argument against? I see alot more rationality and open mindedness from crew on here than what I see from Roadkill, VL or BB on a near hourly basis it appears.

Most of the time they're questions regarding alternative theories which've debunked by those who actually know what they're talking about. It's clear the antivax crowd are averse to official, consensus-derived information. The answers to their 'critical thought process' are readily available; the fact the same line of questioning is being raised repetitively screams of agenda.

Ben Harding wrote:

Was suprised to see you're also in favour of stripping crew of their citizenship if they are opposed to the getting the vaccine. That's pretty heavy mate. Considering all that we have seen with our own eyes in relation to vaccine efficacy, particularly in NSW. Are you deadset serious? And on what basis do you think that's a fair go? Just cus' we all caved in and got it for our own personal/health/work reasons, everyone else should? And if they don't, then kick em' out of the country and invalidate their passport....

Fair point - looking back at the context it does come off as extreme. I retract any suggestion that supports stripping of citizenship. My comments were in support of Macron's stance as discussed in this article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59873833

Touching on vaccine efficacy in NSW, the messaging has been one of goalpost shifting over time, for sure... though ultimately the rollout has mitigated what could've been a dire series of events:

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance...

"In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference. The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference."

Ben Harding wrote:

Just cus' we all caved in and got it for our own personal/health/work reasons, everyone else should?

I disagree that vaccination is about ourselves - for most, the motivation should be of duty to society; as someone in their 20s, getting Covid has never concerned me... 1 in 6 Australians have some sort of disability, though... Triple vaxxed for that very reason.

When omicron is 100% the new strain. I wonder how those percentages will look .

Blowin wrote:

goofyfoot wrote:

What’s the real survival rate then VL?

Here’s the statistics as from a couple of days ago. Note that all given percentages are exaggerated towards much higher rates of death than reality due to many ( hundreds of thousands?) of cases not being recorded. In fact just the last couple of days since there’s been probably about 70,000 more recorded cases not yet to hit the statistics but only about another dozen desths.

Also of note is that many of these deaths are not explicitly covid deaths. There are accounts of people waiting to die in palliative care being recorded as a covid death and the sole fatality in the 0-9 age bracket is extremely doubtful a covid case as evidenced by suspect headlines and referral to coroner.

There is also the fact that the major of deaths have occurred in aged care facilities where the average duration of life once someone is placed into aged care is 6 months ( ! )

Here is the minimum percentage survival rates by age :

0-9 : 99.998%

10-19: 99.997%

20-29: 99.992%

30-39: 99.975%

40-49: 99.924%

50- 59: 99.7%

60-69: 99.05%

70-79: 96.2%

80- 89: 89.5%

90+: 77.0%

Basically, if you are semi healthy you will survive covid. If you are very sick you will probably survive covid. 90% of people in their 80s survive covid !!!!!!!!

77 out of every 100 people over 90 survive covid ….that’s how high the survival rate for covid is and has been the whole time. In the 18 months of covid prior to vaccines being introduced in Australia, the average age of a covid fatality was 86.9 years old !!!!!

Even using the most extremely, unfairly generous statistics possible there has been less than 79 people under 50 die WITH covid in two years …..out of millions and millions of people. In that time there’s been over 35,000 die from heart disease.

But unvaccinated people who don’t spread disease any more than vaccinated people are publicly treated like scum by the highest politicians in the land and scum buckets everywhere are entitled to treat them like the Nazis treated the Jews in 1936. There is around 25 unvaccinated people in ICU in Victoria and those scum buckets claim the unvaccinated are clogging the hospitals and the unvaccinated are guilty of murdering grandmothers!!!!

Lol.

It is , without doubt , the most overhyped situation the world has ever seen. Y2K to the power of a trillion million billion.

If I had the same chance of winning a bet as I do of surviving covid I would literally bet my house.

Now Blindboy will say :” But, but ….America!”

And I’ll say “ What about it ? What about Nigeria with the same size population as America but less fatalities than Australia ?”

And he’ll say “ The demographics of Nigeria are different “

But so is the demographics of America. Blindboy turns to the utterly cooked, fraudulent , relentlessly politicised US statistics because they suit his Sicko doom porn addiction. There is no other reason. Certainly not intellectual honesty!

"scum buckets everywhere are entitled to treat them (unvaccinated people) like the Nazis treated the Jews in 1936. "
Fuck you blowin, you complete and utter (and I'm choosing this word carefully) cunt.
How fucking dare you diminish the treatment and murder of 6 million Jewish people by the nazis by comparing their treatment to the consequences anti-vaxxers face for their choices.
You are now the biggest POS I've ever come across.
Craig, Stu, Ben, how do you let this fucking shit human being post this type of crap on your site? It can't be worth the extra hits blokes.

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.

Ok roadkill the floors yours , lay it out for me . What exactly is the science that I’m screaming down and what am I refusing to listen too ?

Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.

This will be great…….

There you go again, burleigh. Always making stuff up to suit your idiotic bias.

I never said that, but again, no surprise you go to that level as you bring nothing of substance..ever.

Here is what you said

Roadkill wrote:
burleigh, if my mother catches covid in a cafe from a fully vaxxed customer and dies, so be it, no one is responsible. If my mother catches covid in a cafe from a non vaxxed asshole customer and dies, that unvaxed asshole customer is 100% responsible for my mothers death

Pretty clear mate. You got dementia?

Vic Local wrote:

"scum buckets everywhere are entitled to treat them (unvaccinated people) like the Nazis treated the Jews in 1936. "
Fuck you blowin, you complete and utter (and I'm choosing this word carefully) cunt.
How fucking dare you diminish the treatment and murder of 6 million Jewish people by the nazis by comparing their treatment to the consequences anti-vaxxers face for their choices.
You are now the biggest POS I've ever come across.
Craig, Stu, Ben, how do you let this fucking shit human being post this type of crap on your site? It can't be worth the extra hits blokes.

You would of made a good nazi, have proved it. I would of banned you years ago you foul mouthed flog.

Vic Local wrote:

"scum buckets everywhere are entitled to treat them (unvaccinated people) like the Nazis treated the Jews in 1936. "
Fuck you blowin, you complete and utter (and I'm choosing this word carefully) cunt.
How fucking dare you diminish the treatment and murder of 6 million Jewish people by the nazis by comparing their treatment to the consequences anti-vaxxers face for their choices.
You are now the biggest POS I've ever come across.
Craig, Stu, Ben, how do you let this fucking shit human being post this type of crap on your site? It can't be worth the extra hits blokes.

Yeah bloke, the Nazis weren’t killing Jews in 1936. They were ostracising them from society by banning them from gatherings, public areas , services and limiting their employment opportunities, publicly humiliating them and doing their best to dehumanise them for what was to come.

The Nazis were also censoring the contributions Jews tried to make to public discourse.

I don’t think your last post does your denials much favours bloke.

You’re unhinged!

Gruppenfuehrer VIC Local!

burleigh wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.

Ok roadkill the floors yours , lay it out for me . What exactly is the science that I’m screaming down and what am I refusing to listen too ?

Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.

This will be great…….

There you go again, burleigh. Always making stuff up to suit your idiotic bias.

I never said that, but again, no surprise you go to that level as you bring nothing of substance..ever.

Here is what you said

Roadkill wrote:
burleigh, if my mother catches covid in a cafe from a fully vaxxed customer and dies, so be it, no one is responsible. If my mother catches covid in a cafe from a non vaxxed asshole customer and dies, that unvaxed asshole customer is 100% responsible for my mothers death

Pretty clear mate. You got dementia?

That’s a insult to people with dementia :) and I know a few.

Blowin wrote:

Vic Local wrote:

"scum buckets everywhere are entitled to treat them (unvaccinated people) like the Nazis treated the Jews in 1936. "
Fuck you blowin, you complete and utter (and I'm choosing this word carefully) cunt.
How fucking dare you diminish the treatment and murder of 6 million Jewish people by the nazis by comparing their treatment to the consequences anti-vaxxers face for their choices.
You are now the biggest POS I've ever come across.
Craig, Stu, Ben, how do you let this fucking shit human being post this type of crap on your site? It can't be worth the extra hits blokes.

Yeah bloke, the Nazis weren’t killing Jews in 1936. They were ostracising them from society by banning them from gatherings, public areas , services and limiting their employment opportunities, publicly humiliating them and doing their best to dehumanise them for what was to come.

The Nazis were also censoring the contributions Jews tried to make to public discourse.

I don’t think your last post does your denials much favours bloke.

You’re unhinged!

Gruppenfuehrer VIC Local!

Bahaha that last line, or could be Frau VL

Like someone else said the Nine news and current affair is over now, VL should be here soon with some more propeghanda.

burleigh wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.

Ok roadkill the floors yours , lay it out for me . What exactly is the science that I’m screaming down and what am I refusing to listen too ?

Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.

This will be great…….

There you go again, burleigh. Always making stuff up to suit your idiotic bias.

I never said that, but again, no surprise you go to that level as you bring nothing of substance..ever.

Here is what you said

Roadkill wrote:
burleigh, if my mother catches covid in a cafe from a fully vaxxed customer and dies, so be it, no one is responsible. If my mother catches covid in a cafe from a non vaxxed asshole customer and dies, that unvaxed asshole customer is 100% responsible for my mothers death

Pretty clear mate. You got dementia?

And quoted as saying..
Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.

Quite different, no irrational call to have anyone charged with murder.

Beautifully summarized.... @lexfridman #lexfridman pic.twitter.com/sf9vXC1KuD

— Doogle (@EastEndJon) January 5, 2022

I also said responsibility, negligence and culpability needed to be included when reading my comments.
You might be worth listening to if you actually dropped the hysterics and made up bs you love to add.

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.

Ok roadkill the floors yours , lay it out for me . What exactly is the science that I’m screaming down and what am I refusing to listen too ?

Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.

This will be great…….

There you go again, burleigh. Always making stuff up to suit your idiotic bias.

I never said that, but again, no surprise you go to that level as you bring nothing of substance..ever.

Here is what you said

Roadkill wrote:
burleigh, if my mother catches covid in a cafe from a fully vaxxed customer and dies, so be it, no one is responsible. If my mother catches covid in a cafe from a non vaxxed asshole customer and dies, that unvaxed asshole customer is 100% responsible for my mothers death

Pretty clear mate. You got dementia?

And quoted as saying..
Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.

Quite different, no irrational call to have anyone charged with murder.

Ahhhh ok, I must have got confused. Normally when you’re responsible for someone’s death you get charged. My bad.
I’ll keep this in mind if I’m ever on jury duty.

Thanks mate

Snowflake, in your defence, I don’t expect you to understand or comprehend the subtleties that goes with responsibility, negligence and culpability.

It is obviously above your level of intelligence, Snowflake. Same goes for burleigh.

Vic Local wrote:

Oh FFS gsco, I've worked as a journo for a bit so I question everything. It's a matter of looking at the evidence, evaluating the source, and ignoring the bullshit. I go to Johns Hopkins University for facts and figures, you flogs go to YouTube, Avi the wife basher, and Rogan.
Your mob have come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories, flat out lies, and fuck all evidence. This idea that 700 people in Australia have died from the vaccine is just a flat out lie. So too is the crap you lot spread about vaccines not working. blowin's 99.995% survival rate is just fucking laughable.
I for one find it stunning you lot can keep bullshitting, day in day out, despite all the evidence that contradicts your bullshit.
Whenever someone points out your bullshit, you lot reach for some grand conspiracy theory. When you can't prove 700 people have died in Australia due to the vaccine, you claim (with zero fucking evidence) that doctors will lose their jobs if they tell the truth.
You lot are so pathetic, it's actually sad. You're in the antivax cult, and you just don't realise how badly you are getting played.

ohhhh gawd....

with your spelling, grammar, lack of objectivity, and ability to tar all with the same brush, that is hard to believe...

c'mon vicvocal, indulge us, who was it that was willing to pay you for your... err... skills?

You really are a fuckwit blowin. Firstly you compared anti-vaxxers to Jewish victims of Nazis, a fucking shocking display of ignorance and pathetic victimhood. Secondly you accused me of being a nazi. Mate, I've infiltrated and exposed nazi gangs you complete fuckwit. You on the other hand wanted to round up South Koreans for immediate deportation. You're just like the neo-nazi flogs I dealt with in the early 2000s.
Do you seriously think anti-vaxxers are going to be rounded up for something like the gas chambers? Because that's exactly what you are insinuating.
If you genuinely believe that, you're a complete tin foil hat wearing wanker.

sypkan wrote:

Vic Local wrote:

Oh FFS gsco, I've worked as a journo for a bit so I question everything. It's a matter of looking at the evidence, evaluating the source, and ignoring the bullshit. I go to Johns Hopkins University for facts and figures, you flogs go to YouTube, Avi the wife basher, and Rogan.
Your mob have come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories, flat out lies, and fuck all evidence. This idea that 700 people in Australia have died from the vaccine is just a flat out lie. So too is the crap you lot spread about vaccines not working. blowin's 99.995% survival rate is just fucking laughable.
I for one find it stunning you lot can keep bullshitting, day in day out, despite all the evidence that contradicts your bullshit.
Whenever someone points out your bullshit, you lot reach for some grand conspiracy theory. When you can't prove 700 people have died in Australia due to the vaccine, you claim (with zero fucking evidence) that doctors will lose their jobs if they tell the truth.
You lot are so pathetic, it's actually sad. You're in the antivax cult, and you just don't realise how badly you are getting played.

ohhhh gawd....

with your spelling, grammar, lack of objectivity, and ability to tar all with the same brush, that is hard to believe...

c'mon vicvocal, indulge us, who was it that was willing to pay you for your... err... skills?

Melbourne Truth ?

I cant believe im agreeing with vic local!

The covid data can be distorted by not considering the effect of vaccination, lockdowns and mask wearing. The data here gives a clearer picture of what would have happened had we been stupid enough to ignore expert advice . If we compare deaths and cases from mid-2020 to the situtation now it shows how succesful we have been in avoiding the death rates that occurred in comparable countries.
https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/au

billythekid wrote:

I cant believe im agreeing with vic local!

I actually respected you for changing your opinions on covid when the evidence started to pile up.

I had a bit of a laugh at that too Syp.

I guess you gotta keep those proofreaders on their toes.

This is what living in covid feels like to me:

The Thin Red Line wrote:

Everything a lie.
Everything you hear and see.
So much to spew out.
You're in a box.
A moving box.
They want you dead.
Or in their lie.
Only one thing a man can do.
Find something that's his.
Make an island for himself.
If I never meet you in this life,
let me feel the lack.
A glance from your eyes,
and my life will be yours.

All of the above & more. Excessive underground web surfing & social media use is a huge detriment to society.

Huge detriment to society? In what way? That's very broad mate and really doesn't cut it in IMO. If there was such a huge detriment to society then that issue was well ingrained within our tech culture well before covid 2020. Very hasty generalization and I think looking at recent statistics our productivity as a nation in 2021 was right back up there.

So Scotty from marketing has made the rat test free for those on Centrelink, guaranteed 25% of the vote there lol.
It’s beyond a joke now, you can’t get them anyway, and you are only supporting the ripoff merchants, we know heaps that are and have been sick including our daughter, they can’t get a rat and are not going to line up for 7 hours for a pcr lol.
It all just has to stop there is no point knowing if you have it or not, it’s a few days with headache, fatigue, cough/sore throat if that, let it rip survival of the fittest which is 99.98% anyway.

Yes I have changed my view VL. You know what else has changed? This shit has gotten very very real. I got friends with covid. As of today my kids mates families have covid. Which means my kids probably have covid. I just realised I probably have covid now too. Be interesting to see if my quadruple vaccination works as hoped. Theres been theorising and debating about how dangerous it all is or isn't. Well, now we shall find out for ourselves. Surfcoast buckle up!

billythekid wrote:

Yes I have changed my view VL. You know what else has changed? This shit has gotten very very real. I got friends with covid. As of today my kids mates families have covid. Which means my kids probably have covid. I just realised I probably have covid now too. Be interesting to see if my quadruple vaccination works as hoped. Theres been theorising and debating about how dangerous it all is or isn't. Well, now we shall find out for ourselves. Surfcoast buckle up!

So the omicron version that is 5 times weaker has got you worried and delta didn’t?

.

Ben Harding wrote:

All of the above & more. Excessive underground web surfing & social media use is a huge detriment to society.

Huge detriment to society? In what way? That's very broad mate and really doesn't cut it in IMO. If there was such a huge detriment to society then that issue was well ingrained within our tech culture well before covid 2020. Very hasty generalization and I think looking at recent statistics our productivity as a nation in 2021 was right back up there.

social media... yes

excessive underground web surfing... nah

it's almost essential... as the ringmasters have given up on any truth a long time ago...

the real journalists are the ones that are saying this explicity, and urgently calling it out because it is becoming so dangerous...

meanwhile... morons continue to moron...

Well it looks like covid is ramping up here again. I guess on the bright side it appears that it's omicron and less virulent than the other strains.

Take note of the difference in reporting though- no nonsense. Tokyo cases, nationwide, no. of deaths and no. hospitalised.

I much prefer that than the way the media handle it back home.

https://japantoday.com/category/national/Okinawa-reports-623-new-coronav...

billythekid wrote:

Yes I have changed my view VL. You know what else has changed? This shit has gotten very very real. I got friends with covid. As of today my kids mates families have covid. Which means my kids probably have covid. I just realised I probably have covid now too. Be interesting to see if my quadruple vaccination works as hoped. Theres been theorising and debating about how dangerous it all is or isn't. Well, now we shall find out for ourselves. Surfcoast buckle up!

good luck billythekid.
I hear the Torquay Pub is covid central and it's still wide open and hosting big events. I don't know how the publican sleeps at night knowing the absolute shitshow he's causing around town.

sypkan wrote:

Ben Harding wrote:

All of the above & more. Excessive underground web surfing & social media use is a huge detriment to society.

Huge detriment to society? In what way? That's very broad mate and really doesn't cut it in IMO. If there was such a huge detriment to society then that issue was well ingrained within our tech culture well before covid 2020. Very hasty generalization and I think looking at recent statistics our productivity as a nation in 2021 was right back up there.

social media... yes

excessive underground web surfing... nah

it's almost essential... as the ringmasters have given up on any truth a long time ago...

the real journalists are the ones that are saying this explicity, and urgently calling it out because it is becoming so dangerous...

meanwhile... morons continue to moron...

yep I agree, totally kooked the format of my response to tomrnoir

tomrnoir wrote:

Ben Harding wrote:

Substantial opportunity cost? What's the cost? What do people lose by spending the time asking questions of what is happening around them. Time spent with family? Time surfing? Genuine question.

All of the above & more. Excessive underground web surfing & social media use is a huge detriment to society.

Ben Harding wrote:

Very easy to dismiss people asking genuine questions as simply going down "conspiracy-ridden rabbit holes". Surely we are passed that superficial argument against? I see alot more rationality and open mindedness from crew on here than what I see from Roadkill, VL or BB on a near hourly basis it appears.

Most of the time they're questions regarding alternative theories which've debunked by those who actually know what they're talking about. It's clear the antivax crowd are averse to official, consensus-derived information. The answers to their 'critical thought process' are readily available; the fact the same line of questioning is being raised repetitively screams of agenda.

Ben Harding wrote:

Was suprised to see you're also in favour of stripping crew of their citizenship if they are opposed to the getting the vaccine. That's pretty heavy mate. Considering all that we have seen with our own eyes in relation to vaccine efficacy, particularly in NSW. Are you deadset serious? And on what basis do you think that's a fair go? Just cus' we all caved in and got it for our own personal/health/work reasons, everyone else should? And if they don't, then kick em' out of the country and invalidate their passport....

Fair point - looking back at the context it does come off as extreme. I retract any suggestion that supports stripping of citizenship. My comments were in support of Macron's stance as discussed in this article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59873833

Touching on vaccine efficacy in NSW, the messaging has been one of goalpost shifting over time, for sure... though ultimately the rollout has mitigated what could've been a dire series of events:

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infec...d-19-vaccination-case-surveillance...

"In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference. The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference."

Ben Harding wrote:

Just cus' we all caved in and got it for our own personal/health/work reasons, everyone else should?

I disagree that vaccination is about ourselves - for most, the motivation should be of duty to society; as someone in their 20s, getting Covid has never concerned me... 1 in 6 Australians have some sort of disability, though... Triple vaxxed for that very reason.

Huge detriment to society? In what way? That's very broad mate and really doesn't cut it in IMO. If there was such a huge detriment to society then that issue was well ingrained within our tech culture well before covid 2020. Very hasty generalization and I think looking at recent statistics..

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/lab...

We are going ok as a nation recovering from this.

Alternative theories? Debunked by whom? Mainstream media pundits perhaps? Alternative theories like the ABS' own statistics on survival rate that was just posted? With the anti-vax crowd,..come on man, that is now a minority. It appears most crew on here are vaxxed, so that's out the window. I really feel like you're just regurgitating mainstream media talking points at this stage man.

Very authoritarian of you. Instead of booting and stripping their citizenship, make someone's life a living hell/prison in their own country. Just as extreme mate, probably worse as they wouldn't be allowed to leave either I presume? Nice.

I was referring to 35k infections yesterday but it was an interesting read. Page 4 (again) highlights valid questions around why they didn't account for actual figures surrounding hospitalisations and covid severity within this report, how much were these figures going to skew that stats (8,660 hospitalisations over a four month period):

"†Not all cases were hospitalized due to COVID-19 severity; in particular those at the extremes of age (ie elderly and children) may
have been hospitalized for monitoring, infection control purposes, or social reasons."

I totally disagree.The motivation to take any medicine should not be seen as a “duty to society” but as a personal choice with the variables accounted for by our own individual and interpersonal circumstances, not anyone else’s. I have just seen before that you are on the same page as Vic Local on this. That's fine man, agree to totally disagree.

Ben Harding wrote:

Huge detriment to society? In what way? That's very broad mate and really doesn't cut it in IMO. If there was such a huge detriment to society then that issue was well ingrained within our tech culture well before covid 2020. Very hasty generalization and I think looking at recent statistics..

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/lab...

We are going ok as a nation recovering from this.

You express distaste at my apparent generalisation and then use employment figures as the sole indicator of societal wellbeing? Goodness me.

Ben Harding wrote:

Alternative theories? Debunked by whom? Mainstream media pundits perhaps? Alternative theories like the ABS' own statistics on survival rate that was just posted? With the anti-vax crowd,..come on man, that is now a minority. It appears most crew on here are vaxxed, so that's out the window. I really feel like you're just regurgitating mainstream media talking points at this stage man.

Most unswayed medical professionals on the planet. Action in curtailing the virus' spread has been pretty close to unanimous in mid-high earning economies. Heck, even North Korean citizens are masking up (albeit they're predictably coy on their vaccination program).

[ABS figures] - It'd be naive to make conclusions on Covid's severity based on Australian data. The fact is, this virus has killed 1 in ~ 60 people it has infected. And the majority of evidence concerning real figures imply underreporting of deaths.

And the 'mainstream media regurgitation' play is very speculative, mate - especially with me; analysing media bias happens to be a favourite pastime of mine ;).

Ben Harding wrote:

Very authoritarian of you. Instead of booting and stripping their citizenship, make someone's life a living hell/prison in their own country. Just as extreme mate, probably worse as they wouldn't be allowed to leave either I presume? Nice.

Goodness me, way to melodramatise the point at hand. Consider:

1) Why the restrictions/mandates are in place to begin with; and
2) Whether getting immunised really is as great a deal as skeptics are making it out to be

... then read your comment over.

Ben Harding wrote:

I was referring to 35k infections yesterday but it was an interesting read. Page 4 (again) highlights valid questions around why they didn't account for actual figures surrounding hospitalisations and covid severity within this report, how much were these figures going to skew that stats (8,660 hospitalisations over a four month period):

"†Not all cases were hospitalized due to COVID-19 severity; in particular those at the extremes of age (ie elderly and children) may
have been hospitalized for monitoring, infection control purposes, or social reasons."

For sure, closer (qualitative) interpretation of the data may move some figures around, though the positive impact of vaccines is incontrovertible. And your implication of vaccine inefficacy in the context of Omicron is misled - the KPI here is hospitalisation rates, which at this stage (owing to other factors also) are very favourable.

Ben Harding wrote:

I totally disagree.The motivation to take any medicine should not be seen as a “duty to society” but as a personal choice with the variables accounted for by our own individual and interpersonal circumstances, not anyone else’s. I have just seen before that you are on the same page as Vic Local on this. That's fine man, agree to totally disagree.

To each their own. This isn't strictly a medicine, but a tool to limit the spread of a relatively dangerous virus, prevent overburdening of public health facilities and to get the economy ticking again before the house of cards falls. Overcoming this pandemic requires a team effort, and if you're not playing ball, you're just plain selfish.

ol' djokovic ain't in the clear yet

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/plot-thickens-after-ominous-border-...

imagine if he get's turned around and sent back...

hope he does, the whole thing sounds totally suss

and vicvocal

very uncharateristically quiet on the whole thing...

hilariously so

Could be the or should be the final comment for this thread period spot on mate/bloke To each their own. This isn't strictly a medicine, but a tool to limit the spread of a relatively dangerous virus, prevent overburdening of public health facilities and to get the economy ticking again before the house of cards falls. Overcoming this pandemic requires a team effort, and if you're not playing ball, you're just plain selfish.

sypkan wrote:

and vicvocal

very uncharateristically quiet on the whole thing...

hilariously so

WTF are you on about sypkan? Bagging me for things I haven't said and you don't even mention the topic I'm supposed to have commented on according to you. Who made you pope of this dump?

If it's Djokovic, I hope he gets turned around and told to FO. But in the grand scheme of covid, the Djokovic decision pails into insignificance compared to Scumo's utter failure to procure RATs or Perrottet's let it rip decision for the whole country.
These two clowns are so incompetent it's frightening. The LNP has a habit of attracting incompetent buffoons who fail up, and the whole country pays the price.

dude, you were asked by a few people, several times... and were uncharacteristcally quiet...

because you're all shouty and righteous about everything else

unless it's about your man dan and his terribly corrupt government...

but nice deflection there to libs without actually saying anything

terribly tedious, obvious, and incredibly desperate and shite...

but geez, 10 points for nauseatingly shameless propaganda- ising

again...

Snuffy Smith wrote:

Could be the or should be the final comment for this thread period spot on mate/bloke To each their own. This isn't strictly a medicine, but a tool to limit the spread of a relatively dangerous virus, prevent overburdening of public health facilities and to get the economy ticking again before the house of cards falls. Overcoming this pandemic requires a team effort, and if you're not playing ball, you're just plain selfish.

Overburdening the healthcare system falls completely onto the government and the fear campaigns surrounding them from the MSM.

A few months ago they were scaring the living shit out of anybody that would listen, now with covid here to stay they wonder why people are calling 000 when they have a positive case.

Now they say if you have covid symptoms to stay home and get a thermometer, it’s gone from the death plague to the common cold.

No I won’t play ball and get an experimental vaccine that does not stop transmission of the virus.

The only thing dangerous right now is anyone still defending the government & MSM for their actions in the last 18 months to get to where we are now.

gsco wrote:

Went down for a swim since I thought my comment would go ignored...

BB, VL, Roadkill and those of a similar persuasion, I'm just not sure how you can have such unwavering, steadfast faith and belief, and no doubt or questions or skepticism, in one particular view and side to a debate. Very impressive though to believe so strongly in something.

The more I try to educate myself about the issue, the more doubts I seem to have, the less it seems that I know, and the less I seem to lean towards one side of the story or the other.

I don't think asking questions about going on around oneself equates to being a conspiracy theorist.

I also don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if commercial realities are a significant driver of what's going on around us right now. We do live in a market economy in which commercial interests and profits are the main driver.

(BB re the biology thing, can they not prove the same thing for all previous coronavirus strains/variants throughout history?)

Guys like blowin, sypkan, bluediamond, supafreak, shortenism, etc, question what's going on around them. It would seem naive to not do this? Are we really in the age where we are not allowed to do this?

I like what you did there gcso, putting a stake in the higher ground by purporting to demonstrate impartiality and objectivity. I have been following this thread since it started and wasted far too much time reading the rants from both sides of the fence. But I do keep on coming back, i can't help myself. From my seat, over the journey the "Guys like blowin, sypkan, bluediamond, supafreak, shortenism, etc," are just as unwavering and steadfast in their own views as the guys that you claim to be unwavering and steadfast and lacking in scepticism or questions. From my reading of this thread, a dominant theme of many posts from the names you quoted above ("blowin, sypkan, bluediamond, supafreak, shortenism") is that they think they are more intelligent, more sceptical and better credentialled to comment than the followers of other schools of thought, because those other schools of thought are just sheep who folllow the MSM. I don't see any sceptisim coming through in their posts, they have their own views and nothing will shift them from them, even when there is good reason to doubt them (or when they are just wrong). As with most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Imagine if it turns out that Blowin and Blindboy are actually the same person. Locked in a psych ward somewhere with nothing but a computer , madly typing away , muttering and arguing with himself, masterbating between loging in and loging out of each username, laughing like a maniac full Jeckyl and Hyde style . It may explain the amount of posting by pair of them and the constant husband and wife bickering over each and every single post he / they make.
That would make my day .
As for the Novax jockadick , wtf? one rule for the rich and famous and one rule fore the rest of us yet again and now last minute here is scummo making out like he is going to make a stand on something all of a sudden in the desperate attempt to appear to be relating to the average Aussie (which will come to nothing and Novax will make him and our whole covid border/ quarantine system look even more like a joke) for the upcoming vote drive.
Kelly will be here for the circus dont worry at this rate.

Crew Salute NSW Health for what precious little disappearing Vax Data they provide.
Not making fun of that...can't be easy and tbb promised to thank all treating public with respect.
Following is a bit of hard work but we have reached a turning point & NSW need a hand.

First up! NSW Rollout orchestrates Cases / deaths so we're seeking anomalies that worry us!
Reason being...these changes are out of our control and as such trigger a warning to majority..
tbb is not fussed which majority...only that they're entitled to be warned during Peak Pandemic.

NSW List of Top Censorship / Re-labels
Age Care + Vax Home Care [+] + Under 50 Vax Deaths + o's [+] / High 1 Dose Data + Low No Vax
However! NSW maintain Fully Vaxed Data + Re-Labels last long enough to keep Full Vax data honest.
Might not sound like much of a deal...but Full Vax is where it's at & most of the crew or on it!

Data prompts will assist crew to differentiate real Vax Data as opposed to Govt corrupted Vax Data

NSW Rollout / Case graphs are one of the same > Vax up > cases Up / Vax Down > Cases down.
See deaths to complete Rollout orchestration.

NSW (Infections) Anomaly starts this week on....1/2 Vaccinated become the dominant spreading group.
11th Sept - Full Vax 573 + *#1 Partially Vaxed 2,913 (vs) None 1,948 ( NSW Health went Spazz!)
NSW responds by splitting (*#1 Spreaderz 1 dose -2 wks to load up "None") Here's the result...
18th Sept - Full Vax 620 + Partially Vaxed 952 (vs) (New) "No Effective Dose 3,641" (Sorted!)
Buried within this stat is the higher spreading 1 dose rising above fast lowering "None" (See next!)
Read ( No effective Dose ) as = Majority infectious 1dose Vax overwhelming lowering No Vax. (Next!)

6th Nov - Full Vax 363 + Partially Vaxed 104 (vs) No Effective Dose 435
Vax Bullies have already overrun corrupted little Bro's [ 1 dose > 2 wks bossy -No Effective Dose ]
Vaxers now number over 50% in Chart + 50% over No Vaxed in Censored cache! (re: 80%+ Vax cases)

We leave this now as Vaccinated nudge their own Vaxed Population. ( Vax spreading way more!)
Delta / Omicron infections also nudge higher than Vax % ...NSW current infections continue below...

NSW Deaths come off the back of Mass Vax Peaks in perfect order.
1 dose Peak = Peak Deaths in this order ( 2wks No Vax deaths > 3wks 1 dose > 4 weeks Full Vax)
2 dose Peak = Peak Deaths in this order ( 2 wks No Vax > 3 wks 1 dose > 4 weeks Full Vax deaths)
Declining Death rates reverse in exact same 1 week delayed order to flatline after 6/7 weeks (all)
Rollout is timetabling infected Death...less to do with the lesser predictable virus infections!
Booster Death pattern will differ as Rollout has now changed!

Deaths shifting from > No Vax > 1 dose > Full Vax)
(1st week when Full Vax - No Vax Deaths levelled up )
16th Oct - Full Vax 9 + Partially Vaxed 6 (vs) No Effective Dose 15 ( Mostly 1 dose to 2 wks)
20th Nov - 5th Jan 2022 Booster 3 + Full Vax 37 + Partially Vaxed 9 = 49 (vs) No effective Dose 24
NSW Vaxer deaths are currently 2x more than no effective dose.

Oct/Nov - Additional (Fed Age Care 90% Vaxed Deaths peaked at 21/wk > Start Boosters)
Deaths dropped to 4/wk (current) Fed Vax Deaths are not added to NSW Vax Data.
tbb has no way of breaking down Feds / State tallies...

Hospitalizations / $16,000 Home Care + (Add a stack more for a secure RAT Supply)
22 Sept 2021 - Home care (Peak) > Fully Vaxed + Partially Vaxed to 65 yrs - 14,447 patients
4th Jan 2022 - Home care (Current) > 13,002 patients
Important! States refuse Unvaxed Homecare > States over represent 100% unvaxed in own Hospitals.
This is why Nurses loop feed TV land...They're all Unvaxed in our Wards & ICU...
Home care format Only allows 65+ Partially Vaxed to access ICU > TV Land ( Only Old Vaxers on ICU)
Crew all tune into this but NSW Govt are micro managing the Script & Vidz & Data rebrands!

Hospitalization patients from unvaxed to clear and present Vaxed majority is difficult to hide!
6th Nov Full Vax 27 + Partially Vaxed 27 (vs) No effective dose "Less 35" + Kidz 10 (Mid Change!)
18th Dec Full Vax 102 + Partially Vaxed 11 (vs) No effective dose 55 + Kidz 8. (Change confirmed!)
2nd Jan -Full Vax 812 (67.4%) (vs) 392 ( 29.9%) > All Kidz / o/s / No vax / vax to 2nd dose 2 wks

ICU patients also switched from unvaxed to Fully Vaxed majority in their own right!
11th Dec Fully Vaxed 9 + Partially Vaxed less 1 (vs) No Dose 4 +Kidz *12 ( Kidz approx *Monthly Data)
18th Dec Fully Vaxed 13 + PV -0 (vs) No effective Dose 6
2nd Jan Fully Vaxed 50 (50.5%) (vs) 45 All ( kidz / o/s / No Vax / Vax to 2nd dose 2wks)
NSW are holding on to last Stat by Bundling everything to offset the final Full Vax Tilt!
tbb is not making fun of it, as Vic / Qld / UK / US all do the same to divert failing ICU Vax Holy Grail.

18th Dec - Delta > Omicron Data Sets
Delta Confirmed / Ongoing Sequenced
Full Vaxed 1,020 / 7,212 > Partially Vaxed 32 / 161 > No effective dose 381 / 1,074

Omicron (Confirmed) Weekly Rise
4 Dec - Fully Vaxed 19 + Partially Vaxed 3 + o/s 9 (vs) No effective dose 4 + Kidz 3
11 Dec- Fully Vaxed 60 + Partially Vaxed 4 + o/s 9 (vs) No effective dose 11 + Kidz 5
18th Dec- Fully Vaxed 152 + PV 0 + o/s 8 (vs) No effective dose 3 + Kidz 1
Probable Omicron for this period...Full Vaxed 1,319 + PV 10 (vs) No effective dose 27 + Kidz 32

Clearly Wuhan Cough drops are no match for yer natural antibodies to fight off advanced Omicron.
Darwin's law of Natural selection is running it's course...there are no tricks, just common sense!

NSW Postcode Review
All 10-60% Vax Postcodes =26 cases (vs) 70-95% Vax Postcodes 20,731 cases
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/489404?page=187

tbb has no agenda in sharing Full Vax Data ... other than to assist Vaxerz...less to do about No Vax!
We can state the obvious NSW Health Data...sure it's gonna sound harsh...it is what it is!

Rollout Orchestrates the Pandemic + the timing & extent of NSW Health Crisis (Pretty obvious!)
Vax Rates companion Test Rates to punch card the allotted Case numbers. (Opening Day Specials etc!)
NSW Lowest vaxed Postcodes spread lowest Covid (vs) High Vaxed Postcodes spread WR infections.
NSW Vaxed are spreading near most of all infections at WR rates.
NSW Vaxed occupy 100% of expensive Homecare + majority of Hospital Beds & ICU
NSW current weekly Vaxed deaths number 2x higher than weekly Unvaxed deaths

100% Without doubt there never was nor should ever be a VIP Vax Mandate!
Tearing up the Mandate will reduce Covid in record time as it did elsewhere.
Everywhere we see Vaxed skyrocketing Covid & Unvaxed reducing infection rates...

Salute excellent NSW Health Full Vax Data Credits
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports.aspx
https://aci.health.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/critical-intelligence-unit
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/2022-nsw-health.aspx
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/stay-safe/data-and-statistics#toc-map-of...

Hey TBB your post is interesting but I'm struggling to understand it exactly. Is it possible to put into a shorter paragraph about what you think the data is saying. Been following this thread for ages and not commenting but it's fair to say I've changed my view a bit over time through actual evidence based data. I'm intrigued by TBBs data as I've just realised that the NZ numbers of delta peaked at the same time as the rollout peaked and numbers have dropped as the vax rate has dropped. Maybe just reflects the higher vax percentage now I guess. We still don't have omicron but only a matter of time I guess and better to have in summer than winter so I'd sooner see it come earlier

Novax arrives at the border and is greeted with force- https://mobile.twitter.com/_Dee_1982/status/1440715488821055489

sypkan wrote:

ol' djokovic ain't in the clear yet

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/plot-thickens-after-ominous-border-...

imagine if he get's turned around and sent back...

hope he does, the whole thing sounds totally suss