COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
burleigh wrote:Vic Local wrote:"Hospitalisation statistics have been used as a gaslighting technique for the past two years"
Oh blowin, when will you stop this absolute crap?
Three simple questions that I know you won't be answering.
1. Were's your proof this is happening?
2. Who is doing it?
3. Why the fuck would anyone inflate hospital stats. What exactly is the point of that?
You're fucked in the head blowin pushing these ridiculous conspiracy theories. Are you going to go through the rest of your life publishing your absolute bullshit day in day out?Bit early for you today. Normally you don’t come out until after the 6pm news with a belly full of hate.
Also, have you been living under a rock regarding hospital numbers?
It’s a conspiracy theory being pushed by the NSW minister for health in Australia and the Director of the CDC in the USA.
And they’re not alone….
New York state will start breaking down its hospital figures between "with" and "because" of COVID-19, Governor Kathy Hochul says.
— BNO News (@BNOFeed) January 4, 2022
"We're going to start asking some questions .. is that person in the hospital because of COVID" or because of a car crash? pic.twitter.com/ifqXV4OBVj
I'm still confused about how we can be so sure that covid itself isn't just one great big publicity stunt by big pharma, big tech and the media, and the reason why the same hysteria didn't occur in previous coronavirus outbreaks in history is that there wasn't the commercial opportunity back then that there is now - that there wasn't mRNA vaccines very close to being fully developed and sitting there waiting to be rolled out...
the djokovic thing wouldn't be such a salty wound if it wasn't for melbourne enduring such over the top restrictions with dictator dan being such a dictator
"...The decision to grant Djokovic an exemption is especially galling in light of public comments made by Victorian politicians about the Serbian’s eligibility to compete Down Under.
Last month Victorian Deputy Premier James Merlino shut down any talk Djokovic could exploit a “loophole” to gain access to the Australian Open without being vaccinated.
“Everyone’s looking forward to the Australian Open and everyone who will attend – spectators, players, officials, staff – is expected to be fully vaccinated,” Merlino said. “They’re the rules.
“Medical exemptions are just that – it’s not a loophole for privileged tennis players.
“It is a medical exemption in exceptional circumstances if you have an acute medical condition.”
Understandably, many on social media have been questioning how a professional athlete who is ranked No. 1 in the world could possibly have an “acute medical condition” serious enough to prevent them from being vaccinated.
As tennis writer Ben Rothenberg said on Twitter: “What ‘acute major medical condition’, as listed here by Australian authorities, could a healthy #1-ranked athlete have?"
and this little gem from big man dandrews...
"...Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has also been made to look sheepish after his blunt declarations about the Djokovic saga. In early October Andrews said the situation was simple for Djokovic — get vaccinated or don’t play the Australian Open.
“Those (grand slam) titles won’t protect you either. The only title that will protect you is that you can be able to say you’ve had your first dose and you’ve had your second dose,” Andrews said.
“The notion of you getting in here without being vaccinated I think is very, very low.”
Later in October Prime Minister Scott Morrison confirmed unvaccinated tennis players would be allowed to enter Australia to compete in the year’s first grand slam but said they would need to complete two weeks of quarantine.
That admission prompted Andrews to hit back.
“What I want to make very clear is that the state of Victoria will not be applying for any exemptions for unvaccinated players,” he said at the time.
“I’m not applying for any exemptions for any unvaccinated players. So we don’t apply for an exemption, then no exemption will be granted. And then the whole issue is basically resolved."
https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/should-be-ashamed-australia-disgust...
djokovic should be trailed everyhere he goes with a legion of jeering protestors
same goes for andrews and his highly hypocritical sell out government
the whole australian open should be protested every day
"We're going to start asking some questions .. is that person in the hospital because of COVID" or because of a car crash?
what a radical idea
Wow, it didn't take long for the usual tin foil hat mob to go the grand "big Pharma / big media" conspiracy.
So all that footage of mass graves in India, mobile morgues in the USA, and overflowing graveyards in Brazil was faked then?
And the doctors and nurses are in on the ruse too? How about my ICU nurse friend who's been on call non stop for the last 6 months, is she part of the cover up too?
Calling you people morons, is an insult to people with IQs under 60.
gsco wrote:I'm still confused about how we can be so sure that covid itself isn't just one great big publicity stunt by big pharma, big tech and the media, and the reason why the same hysteria didn't occur in previous coronavirus outbreaks in history is that there wasn't the commercial opportunity back then that there is now - that there wasn't mRNA vaccines very close to being fully developed and sitting there waiting to be rolled out...
I’m of the belief that the vaccine themselves are merely an extremely profitable Trojan horse to cover the imposition of the vaccine passports which are the start of the mandatory Digital ID and the ensuing social credit system.
The Digital ID is central to every bit of future population control, tracking and complete financialisation of the individual.
There’s no other viable explanation for the utter determination of the developed world to mandate vaccination for every individual on the planet. The mandated vaccination of those with naturally acquired immunity and children is proper nonsensical.
Call it tin foil hat conspiracy if you want, I call it a reasoned interpretation of the actions undertaken taken by governments which completely lack any rational justification. Everyone who’s ever put two thoughts together has had an opinion on which shape the future would assume and that’s mine.
It’d be a naïve person who’d claim that the relationship dynamics between the government and the populations of most developed nations bears much hint of resemblance between now and five years ago.
Imagine Dan Andrews trying to standover the population into curfews in March 2020, let alone March 2017. He’ wouldn’t even be taken seriously enough to require physical removal from parliament- he’d be laughed out by all and sundry.
Now people bow to his demands..
Hey VL, do you have absolutely nothing to say about the Djokovic situation?
Blowin wrote:gsco wrote:I'm still confused about how we can be so sure that covid itself isn't just one great big publicity stunt by big pharma, big tech and the media, and the reason why the same hysteria didn't occur in previous coronavirus outbreaks in history is that there wasn't the commercial opportunity back then that there is now - that there wasn't mRNA vaccines very close to being fully developed and sitting there waiting to be rolled out...
I’m of the belief that the vaccine themselves are merely an extremely profitable Trojan horse to cover the imposition of the vaccine passports which are the start of the mandatory Digital ID and the ensuing social credit system.
The Digital ID is central to every bit of future population control, tracking and complete financialisation of the individual.
There’s no other viable explanation for the utter determination of the developed world to mandate vaccination for every individual on the planet. The mandated vaccination of those with naturally acquired immunity and children is proper nonsensical.
You're not getting any better are you blowin? Where does your rabbit hole end? you're not going to get your way here, because your opinions are just fucking nuts. Hopefully it doesn't end with violence with you, but nobody would be shocked if it did.
gsco wrote:I'm still confused about how we can be so sure that covid itself isn't just one great big publicity stunt by big pharma, big tech and the media, and the reason why the same hysteria didn't occur in previous coronavirus outbreaks in history is that there wasn't the commercial opportunity back then that there is now - that there wasn't mRNA vaccines very close to being fully developed and sitting there waiting to be rolled out...
imagine big pharma, bill gates, mark zuckerburg, rupert murdoch and all who attend davos, sitting around a boardroom table...it's true, it happened.
It's all about the new world order. We are fucked.
"imagine big pharma, bill gates, mark zuckerburg, rupert murdoch and all who attend davos, sitting around a boardroom table...it's true, it happened.
It's all about the new world order. We are fucked."
if you think that comment is being clever... you are more stupid and ignorant than I thought...
which is pretty stupid and ignorant
"I'm still confused about how we can be so sure that covid itself isn't just one great big publicity stunt by big pharma, big tech and the media,"
So you never did any biology then gsco? I mean they have the entire genome, they have demonstrated in vitro its ability to infect human cells and shown that it satisfies Koch's Postulates. They have a mountain of genomic data from those infected showing the presence of the virus. You want as close to absolute certainty as you are ever likely to get? In biological terms this is it. If you know so little about it why create doubt? Why not actually do some study before you post material so embarassing to your claim to be well educated?
sypkan wrote:"imagine big pharma, bill gates, mark zuckerburg, rupert murdoch and all who attend davos, sitting around a boardroom table...it's true, it happened.
It's all about the new world order. We are fucked."
if you think that comment is being clever... you are more stupid and ignorant than I thought...
which is pretty stupid and ignorant
Well anti vax / conspiracy posts need to be stupid. :)
Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:"imagine big pharma, bill gates, mark zuckerburg, rupert murdoch and all who attend davos, sitting around a boardroom table...it's true, it happened.
It's all about the new world order. We are fucked."
if you think that comment is being clever... you are more stupid and ignorant than I thought...
which is pretty stupid and ignorant
Well anti vax / conspiracy posts need to be stupid. :)
It's just that there are "respected" media that publish stuff like this: https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/528482-john-kerry-reveals...
blindboy wrote:"I'm still confused about how we can be so sure that covid itself isn't just one great big publicity stunt by big pharma, big tech and the media,"
So you never did any biology then gsco? I mean they have the entire genome, they have demonstrated in vitro its ability to infect human cells and shown that it satisfies Koch's Postulates. They have a mountain of genomic data from those infected showing the presence of the virus. You want as close to absolute certainty as you are ever likely to get? In biological terms this is it. If you know so little about it why create doubt? Why not actually do some study before you post material so embarassing to your claim to be well educated?
it can be both...
pure opportunism
Vic Local wrote:Robo wrote:Vic Local wrote:Hey anti-vax / covid is a hoax idiots.
35,000 cases in NSW today. That translates to another 350 patients presenting to hospitals, that are already overloaded with covid. Now those 35000 will no doubt take out plenty of nurses and doctors who are close contacts.
How good's letting it rip folks? Especially when Australia is being governed by a monstrously incompetent bunch of dogs who put the interest's of RAT price gougers ahead of public health.drama queen is back, guess you won't be going to the AO incase djoka gets some sweat on you lol
Well aren't you a complete fuckwit robo. Have you not been paying attention to what the doctors and nurses are saying? The hospital system is fucked, contract tracing is non-existent, it's very fucking hard to get a covid test, and NSW just got another 35,000 cases yesterday.
But you obviously don't think it's a problem. Yes, you are a complete moron.
you wouldn't say that to my face you'd be sat on your arse Mexican
Of course what we don't know may turn out to be important too.
" Infection with the virus that causesCOVID-19 can trigger an immune response that lasts well beyond the initial infection and recovery -- even among people who had mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, according to Cedars-Sinai investigators. The findings are published in the Journal of Translational Medicine.
When people are infected with a virus or other pathogen, their bodies unleash proteins called antibodies that detect foreign substances and keep them from invading cells. In some cases, however, people produce autoantibodies that can attack the body's own organs and tissues over time.
The Cedars-Sinai investigators found that people with prior infection with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have a wide variety of autoantibodies up to six months after they have fully recovered. Prior to this study, researchers knew that severe cases of COVID-19 can stress the immune system so much that autoantibodies are produced. This study is the first to report not only the presence of elevated autoantibodies after mild or asymptomatic infection, but their persistence over time.
"These findings help to explain what makes COVID-19 an especially unique disease," said Justyna Fert-Bober, PhD, research scientist in the Department of Cardiology at the Smidt Heart Institute and co-senior author of the study. "These patterns of immune dysregulation could be underlying the different types of persistent symptoms we see in people who go on to develop the condition now referred to as long COVID-19."
To conduct their study, the Cedars-Sinai research team recruited 177 people with confirmed evidence of a previous infection with SARS-CoV-2. They compared blood samples from these individuals with samples taken from healthy people prior to the pandemic. All those with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection had elevated levels of autoantibodies. Some of the autoantibodies also have been found in people with diseases in which the immune system attacks its own healthy cells, such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
"We found signals of autoantibody activity that are usually linked to chronic inflammation and injury involving specific organ systems and tissues such as the joints, skin and nervous system," said Susan Cheng, MD, MPH, MMSc, director of the Institute for Research on Healthy Aging in the Department of Cardiology at the Smidt Heart Institute and co-senior author of the study.
Some of the autoantibodies have been linked to autoimmune diseases that typically affect women more often than men. In this study, however, men had a higher number of elevated autoantibodies than women.
"On the one hand, this finding is paradoxical given that autoimmune conditions are usually more common in females," Fert-Bober said. "On the other hand, it is also somewhat expected given all that we know about males being more vulnerable to the most severe forms of COVID-19."
The research team is interested in expanding the study to look for the types of autoantibodies that may be present and persist in people with long-haul COVID-19 symptoms. Because this study was in people infected before the advent of vaccines, the researchers will also examine whether autoantibodies are similarly generated in people with breakthrough infections.
"If we can better understand these autoantibody responses, and how it is that SARS-CoV-2 infection triggers and drives these variable responses, then we can get one step closer to identifying ways to treat and even prevent these effects from developing in people at risk," Cheng said.
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Materials provided by Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.
and this is just downright brave:
You should take two minutes and really listen to this. The words are sharp and cut through the lies. The tone is of righteous anger which we all should feel. Let this energy be released upon the world. pic.twitter.com/yn58lbd4n7
— Michael Ruiz 🇸🇻 (@sovmindset) October 29, 2021
I think the anger at Djokovic is justified but a little misplaced.
He's playing in the AO because he can.
The anger sits squarely on the shoulders of the people who enabled it imo.
Of course not Roadkill.
It’s about a virus with a fatality rate less than a common influenza strain being a justification to close down the world and literally lock cowering people into their homes.
Totally rational, normal and believable.
Does it matter that even the most outrageously overwhelmingly overblown predictions never presented the virus as neo as detrimental to global health as malnutrition or obesity ? No. We are meant to ponder the existential threat of the Covid Cult in immaculate absence of context.
The stereotypical covid death of a chronically sick 89 year old is the only thing that matters in the entire world.
That’s way more acceptable to the tiny receptor of truth which fronts your microscopic mind.
monkeyboy wrote:Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:"imagine big pharma, bill gates, mark zuckerburg, rupert murdoch and all who attend davos, sitting around a boardroom table...it's true, it happened.
It's all about the new world order. We are fucked."
if you think that comment is being clever... you are more stupid and ignorant than I thought...
which is pretty stupid and ignorant
Well anti vax / conspiracy posts need to be stupid. :)
It's just that there are "respected" media that publish stuff like this: https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/528482-john-kerry-reveals...
exactly!
the fact some still write this off as some kind of 'conspiracy' is just mind blowing... mind blowingly dumb...
well yes and no... some of a certain bent try to dismiss the reality... but that's just a result of ideology, indoctrination, and some generally weird and delusional thinking...
but for people like roadkill, not of this certain bent... it just shows pure ignorance and stupidity...
"Does it matter that even the most outrageously overwhelmingly overblown predictions never presented the virus as neo as detrimental to global health as malnutrition or obesity ? "
No it doesn't matter because obesity and other non-infectious diseases require a completely different approach to infectious disease. To divert extra resources to non-infectious disease in the midst of a pandemic of a new infectious disease is somewhere way out there beyond stupid and irresponsible.....your usual territory Blowie. Now have your little rant and call me sicko and cant and whatever else .... it changes nothing.
In regards to the 1k plus people in hospital in NSW that the mainscream media are going apocalyptic over.
In 2017 there were over 8,000 in NSW hospitals from four different strains of the flu.
There was no need for vaccine mandates, masks, testing, quarantine and tracing then.
zenagain wrote:I think the anger at Djokovic is justified but a little misplaced.
He's playing in the AO because he can.
The anger sits squarely on the shoulders of the people who enabled it imo.
you're right zen
so tennis australia, dandrews, and his government...
but if I don't see some general kaos, abuse, and booing at the australian open I'll be most disapointed
zenagain wrote:I think the anger at Djokovic is justified but a little misplaced.
He's playing in the AO because he can.
The anger sits squarely on the shoulders of the people who enabled it imo.
Exactly Zen, look at the message that is sending to the Australian public. I can only imagine how that would feel to you considering your recent situation.
Still waiting for an opinion from VL on this...
zenagain wrote:BB, it was hardly random. Your article cited three countries, Afghanistan, Tanzania and PNG in It's comparison to wealthy countries vax rates. I chose to look at Tanzania as it's arguably the most stable of the three.
When looking at it from numbers of deaths that is what made me question the article you provided. I thought the author skipped through that too quickly and was worthy of further exploration because to me, the low number of covid deaths in a virtually unvaxxed population is in stark contrast to a highly vaxxed population such as Australia, the US and the UK.
And as for Japan which thankfully avoids all the hysterical MSM click baiting that I'm reading back home- after a huge surge post olympics (no correlation there ha ha) daily cases have plummeted to be almost insignificant in a nation of 125 million peeps. Yesterday, nationwide I think 400 cases, one death and less than a handful hospitalised classed as severe. Japan vax rate is at about 75% in one of the most densely populated countries on earth. Again, it doesn't compute.
Ps- I enjoyed your writing back in the day.
Hi Zen. Just a question, does Japan administer Ivermectin as an early treatment option? I thought i heard somewhere that they did. I wonder if so if that's part of the reason the numbers are so low?
Cheers.
zenagain wrote:I think the anger at Djokovic is justified but a little misplaced.
He's playing in the AO because he can.
The anger sits squarely on the shoulders of the people who enabled it imo.
Agree 100%
His personal choice to be vaxxed or not.
But I have had some of my colleagues forced to leave their profession due to not getting vaccination, a personal decision I don't necessarily agree with. They don't have the means to have an independent appraisal for not having it and then continue to work.
The double standard is sickening.
I am double vaxxed waiting for booster.
"you wouldn't say that to my face you'd be sat on your arse Mexican".
Great another toxic male who threatens violence.
robo, the reason why you threaten people with violence is because deep down you know you're a bit of a dill. You probably know you post absolute shit, but are just too fragile to admit it so you lash out with the tough guy talk. Such a stereotype.
bluediamond wrote:zenagain wrote:BB, it was hardly random. Your article cited three countries, Afghanistan, Tanzania and PNG in It's comparison to wealthy countries vax rates. I chose to look at Tanzania as it's arguably the most stable of the three.
When looking at it from numbers of deaths that is what made me question the article you provided. I thought the author skipped through that too quickly and was worthy of further exploration because to me, the low number of covid deaths in a virtually unvaxxed population is in stark contrast to a highly vaxxed population such as Australia, the US and the UK.
And as for Japan which thankfully avoids all the hysterical MSM click baiting that I'm reading back home- after a huge surge post olympics (no correlation there ha ha) daily cases have plummeted to be almost insignificant in a nation of 125 million peeps. Yesterday, nationwide I think 400 cases, one death and less than a handful hospitalised classed as severe. Japan vax rate is at about 75% in one of the most densely populated countries on earth. Again, it doesn't compute.
Ps- I enjoyed your writing back in the day.
Hi Zen. Just a question, does Japan administer Ivermectin as an early treatment option? I thought i heard somewhere that they did. I wonder if so if that's part of the reason the numbers are so low?
Cheers.
Talked about in this video.
Was a while ago that i watched it, but from memory his take was we can't say either way if it was a factor or just coincidence but interesting that the two aligned or something like that.
&t=607s Vic Local wrote:"you wouldn't say that to my face you'd be sat on your arse Mexican".
Great another toxic male who threatens violence.
robo, the reason why you threaten people with violence is because deep down you know you're a bit of a dill. You probably know you post absolute shit, but are just too fragile to admit it so you lash out with the tough guy talk. Such a stereotype.
say hi to your boyfriend
Went down for a swim since I thought my comment would go ignored...
BB, VL, Roadkill and those of a similar persuasion, I'm just not sure how you can have such unwavering, steadfast faith and belief, and no doubt or questions or skepticism, in one particular view and side to a debate. Very impressive though to believe so strongly in something.
The more I try to educate myself about the issue, the more doubts I seem to have, the less it seems that I know, and the less I seem to lean towards one side of the story or the other.
I don't think asking questions about going on around oneself equates to being a conspiracy theorist.
I also don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if commercial realities are a significant driver of what's going on around us right now. We do live in a market economy in which commercial interests and profits are the main driver.
(BB re the biology thing, can they not prove the same thing for all previous coronavirus strains/variants throughout history?)
Guys like blowin, sypkan, bluediamond, supafreak, shortenism, etc, question what's going on around them. It would seem naive to not do this? Are we really in the age where we are not allowed to do this?
Cheers Indo. Very interesting. Much appreciated.
I'd say no such thing as coincidences.
Japan: Huge wave, out of control. Ivermectin introduded. Cases plumet,
India: Huge wave, out of control. Ivermectin introduced. Cases plumet,
Africa: (where used for other diseases) cases never really explode to start with.
Australia. Banned before it was even trialled. Cases exploding. Interesting way we deal with things in Australia.
Anyway. That's me for the day.
Aloha!
Robo wrote:In regards to the 1k plus people in hospital in NSW that the mainscream media are going apocalyptic over.
In 2017 there were over 8,000 in NSW hospitals from four different strains of the flu.
There was no need for vaccine mandates, masks, testing, quarantine and tracing then.
It’s impossible to know this and not see the current hysteria as completely manufactured.
gsco wrote:Went down for a swim since I thought my comment would go ignored...
BB, VL, Roadkill and those of a similar persuasion, I'm just not sure how you can have such unwavering, steadfast faith and belief, and no doubt or questions or skepticism, in one particular view and side to a debate. Very impressive though to believe so strongly in something.
The more I try to educate myself about the issue, the more doubts I seem to have, the less it seems that I know, and the less I seem to lean towards one side of the story or the other.
I don't think asking questions about going on around oneself equates to being a conspiracy theorist.
I also don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if commercial realities are a significant driver of what's going on around us right now. We do live in a market economy in which commercial interests and profits are the main driver.
(BB re the biology thing, can they not prove the same thing for all previous coronavirus strains/variants throughout history?)
Guys like blowin, sypkan, bluediamond, supafreak, shortenism, etc, question what's going on around them. It would seem naive to not do this? Are we really in the age where we are not allowed to do this?
Thanks for all your posts mate. Appreciate your insights and objectivity.
gsco wrote:Went down for a swim since I thought my comment would go ignored...
BB, VL, Roadkill and those of a similar persuasion, I'm just not sure how you can have such unwavering, steadfast faith and belief, and no doubt or questions or skepticism, in one particular view and side to a debate. Very impressive though to believe so strongly in something.
The more I try to educate myself about the issue, the more doubts I seem to have, the less it seems that I know, and the less I seem to lean towards one side of the story or the other.
I don't think asking questions about going on around oneself equates to being a conspiracy theorist.
I also don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if commercial realities are a significant driver of what's going on around us right now. We do live in a market economy in which commercial interests and profits are the main driver.
(BB re the biology thing, can they not prove the same thing for all previous coronavirus strains/variants throughout history?)
Guys like blowin, sypkan, bluediamond, supafreak, shortenism, etc, question what's going on around them. It would seem naive to not do this? Are we really in the age where we are not allowed to do this?
I have changed my stance on some things as more info comes in, I am more than happy to change. I do tend to stick to science as the alternative views is pretty much opinion and conspiracy.
Definitely money making is occurring, which will happen with any market players. I don’t believe everything our politicians tell us, but it's pretty easy to sort through the bs.
Plenty of scepticism here…I just don’t live in a rabbit hole.
Thank goodness for sane people. (That was re gsco's post.)
Supafreak wrote:
SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.
Novak, has an exemption to play in the AO. How hilarious would it be if they denied him entry into the country. Fuck that would be superb..
gsco ask all the questions you want but my position is not based on belief. It is based on the existing evidence and expert analysis of it. It may not be 100% correct but the big picture is clear. The disease is caused by a novel coronavirus related to those that caused SARS and MERS. It is most likely a zoonotic virus that spread by human contact with infected animals but there is a small chance it leaked from a lab. The vaccines are safe and were highly effective in reducing disease and mortality prior to omicron emerging. It is naive to believe that marginal doctors and researchers have uncovered some aspect of the disease that has eluded the most highly qualified people in the field in the highest quality labs with the best funding. Beneath the those with marginal qualifications is a layer of totally unqualified parasites who are happy to promote any bullshit as long as it boosts their audience and earns them more money. If you want to be sceptical why not look at these people instead of the authoritative sources we usually rely on for medical information?
Oh FFS gsco, I've worked as a journo for a bit so I question everything. It's a matter of looking at the evidence, evaluating the source, and ignoring the bullshit. I go to Johns Hopkins University for facts and figures, you flogs go to YouTube, Avi the wife basher, and Rogan.
Your mob have come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories, flat out lies, and fuck all evidence. This idea that 700 people in Australia have died from the vaccine is just a flat out lie. So too is the crap you lot spread about vaccines not working. blowin's 99.995% survival rate is just fucking laughable.
I for one find it stunning you lot can keep bullshitting, day in day out, despite all the evidence that contradicts your bullshit.
Whenever someone points out your bullshit, you lot reach for some grand conspiracy theory. When you can't prove 700 people have died in Australia due to the vaccine, you claim (with zero fucking evidence) that doctors will lose their jobs if they tell the truth.
You lot are so pathetic, it's actually sad. You're in the antivax cult, and you just don't realise how badly you are getting played.
There's a massive difference between questioning the decisions of Governments/authority, and going down a conspiracy-ridden rabbit hole at a substantial opportunity cost to yourself and those you relay your findings to.
All the logical, sensible money points towards societal compliance of what the vast majority of experts agree on.. roll up your sleeves, mask up when required, socially distance when possible etc.
Roadkill wrote:Supafreak wrote:
SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.
Ok roadkill the floors yours , lay it out for me . What exactly is the science that I’m screaming down and what am I refusing to listen too ?
What’s the real survival rate then VL?
Vic Local wrote:Oh FFS gsco, I've worked as a journo for a bit so I question everything. It's a matter of looking at the evidence, evaluating the source, and ignoring the bullshit. I go to Johns Hopkins University for facts and figures, you flogs go to YouTube, Avi the wife basher, and Rogan.
Your mob have come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories, flat out lies, and fuck all evidence. This idea that 700 people in Australia have died from the vaccine is just a flat out lie. So too is the crap you lot spread about vaccines not working. blowin's 99.995% survival rate is just fucking laughable.
I for one find it stunning you lot can keep bullshitting, day in day out, despite all the evidence that contradicts your bullshit.
Whenever someone points out your bullshit, you lot reach for some grand conspiracy theory. When you can't prove 700 people have died in Australia due to the vaccine, you claim (with zero fucking evidence) that doctors will lose their jobs if they tell the truth.
You lot are so pathetic, it's actually sad. You're in the antivax cult, and you just don't realise how badly you are getting played.
Ahh a washed up angry journalist. They are as trustworthy as a washed up used car salesman.
It’s all making sense now
Vic Local wrote:You lot are so pathetic, it's actually sad. You're in the antivax cult, and you just don't realise how badly you are getting played.
Yep, they've fallen for it hook, line & sinker.
Supafreak wrote:Roadkill wrote:Supafreak wrote:
SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.
Ok roadkill the floors yours , lay it out for me . What exactly is the science that I’m screaming down and what am I refusing to listen too ?
Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.
This will be great…….
tomrnoir wrote:There's a massive difference between questioning the decisions of Governments/authority, and going down a conspiracy-ridden rabbit hole at a substantial opportunity cost to yourself and those you relay your findings to.
Substantial opportunity cost? What's the cost? What do people lose by spending the time asking questions of what is happening around them. Time spent with family? Time surfing? Genuine question.
Very easy to dismiss people asking genuine questions as simply going down "conspiracy-ridden rabbit holes".
Surely we are passed that superficial argument against? I see alot more rationality and open mindedness from crew on here than what I see from Roadkill, VL or BB on a near hourly basis it appears.
Was suprised to see you're also in favour of stripping crew of their citizenship if they are opposed to the getting the vaccine. That's pretty heavy mate. Considering all that we have seen with our own eyes in relation to vaccine efficacy, particularly in NSW. Are you deadset serious? And on what basis do you think that's a fair go? Just cus' we all caved in and got it for our own personal/health/work reasons, everyone else should? And if they don't, then kick em' out of the country and invalidate their passport....
Hmmmm , maybe roadkill is a victim of the mass formation hypnosis , that would explain his behaviour.
burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Roadkill wrote:Supafreak wrote:
SF, you guys don’t question science, you irrationally scream it down and refuse to listen.
Ok roadkill the floors yours , lay it out for me . What exactly is the science that I’m screaming down and what am I refusing to listen too ?
Roadkill, the man who if his mum gets covid from someone unvaccinated in a cafe wants the person charged with murder, but if she catches covid from someone vaccinated in the cafe and dies it’s no dramas.
This will be great…….
There you go again, burleigh. Always making stuff up to suit your idiotic bias.
I never said that, but again, no surprise you go to that level as you bring nothing of substance..ever.
goofyfoot wrote:What’s the real survival rate then VL?
Only 99.98% Goof, give or take.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia