COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
sypkan it is really easy to stop engaging with me. Stop posting bullshit.
Wide range of numbers in terms of severity may be in part due to vaccination status. Omicron is coming into a vaccinated population (unlike Delta) plus there are better early treatment options now, quite a wide range of them. Omicron supposedly is more likely to settle in the upper airways which means it might be more amenable to providing-iodine nasal rinse. That’s not gospel but certainly has some evidence for it, particularly if it’s true that Omicron is an upper airway problem.
Either way the general belief is that it’s less likely to cause severe disease than Delta.
Can’t say it enough, if you get Covid speak to your doctor about early/at home treatment options
ok boomer
blindboy wrote:supa I think the problem is that they are not doing enough genomic testing to know which cases are omicron and which are delta.
They are doing weird shit all over the world , cutting quarantine from 10 days to 5 if infected , WTF is that about, it’s for both delta and omicron. Surely if you’re sick you’re sick regardless of days, I understand you stop shedding after a certain amount of time but there is nothing exact about the science when it comes to this weird virus .
supa it is all about the politics and economics. With omicron being milder, they are prepared to take greater risks to open up. It is all guess work as to how it will go from here. My guess is a huge spike particularly in younger ages as people try to get back to something like normal. If the hospitalisation rate is at the low end of the estimate we could get through without too much drama.
blindboy wrote:supa it is all about the politics and economics. With omicron being milder, they are prepared to take greater risks to open up. It is all guess work as to how it will go from here. My guess is a huge spike particularly in younger ages as people try to get back to something like normal. If the hospitalisation rate is at the low end of the estimate we could get through without too much drama.
It’s definitely all political now , I was surprised at the numbers from Scotty’s statement . Bit weird what’s going on in New York with vaccine passports, kicking young children out of restaurants because unvaccinated is a pretty low act .
Opening up post 80% vax pre Christmas isnt politics, it’s just being human and sticking to the original roadmap
tylerdurden wrote:Wide range of numbers in terms of severity may be in part due to vaccination status. Omicron is coming into a vaccinated population (unlike Delta) plus there are better early treatment options now, quite a wide range of them. Omicron supposedly is more likely to settle in the upper airways which means it might be more amenable to providing-iodine nasal rinse. That’s not gospel but certainly has some evidence for it, particularly if it’s true that Omicron is an upper airway problem.
Either way the general belief is that it’s less likely to cause severe disease than Delta.
Can’t say it enough, if you get Covid speak to your doctor about early/at home treatment options
Omicron appears to be infecting lower age groups (<12) as well who are less likely to be vaccinated.
One blessing with this pandemic so far is it hast been taking the children like most of the others hope that holds.
Hospitalisation going the wrong way
sypkan wrote:ok boomer
sorry bindboy, but it is my daily endeavour to not engage with you... as it only ends in name calling, negativity, and no civil discourse whatsoever...
Ok boomer, is not name calling or negative?
Was talking with my business partner and manager in the USA this morning , he works at camp Pendleton as a Psychologist , was actually a snipe for 22 years in the Marines. Him and his whole family have all had double doses and boosters , plus 2 weeks ago Flu vaccinations.
It looks like he caught Omicron at the base just before Xmas , went to big family lunch on Xmas day, by Monday morning everybody in the family were sick , some with fevers and chills , some with coughs/aches and pains and snotty nose...he kept repeating to me don't let them bullshit you into believing its only a mild cold........at best it's a mild Flu.......so fully vaccinated with booster didn't stop Omicron......
The big question is do the vaccinations work on Omicron, at all...we know they worked against Delta.....?????
Yes, they do. Less effective but much better than unvaccinated. All the existing data world wide, confirms this.
Remember this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-02/ellume-awarded-contract-from-us-f... And what was the government response ?
Queensland has recorded 1,589 new cases of COVID-19, with no-one being treated for symptoms in hospital intensive care units.
blindboy wrote:Yes, they do. Less effective but much better than unvaccinated. All the existing data world wide, confirms this.
Blindboy can’t tell you how severe omicron is.
He can’t tell you what percentage of the current cases are omicron. He can’t tell you anything with any certainty about omicron at all.
But he can confidently tell you the vaccines work perfectly.
Lol
You realise science isn’t based on faith don’t you Bloke?
Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:ok boomer
sorry bindboy, but it is my daily endeavour to not engage with you... as it only ends in name calling, negativity, and no civil discourse whatsoever...
Ok boomer, is not name calling or negative?
no it is not...
it is submitting to the superiority that some people clearly believe that they possess (usually boomers) as any further dialogue would be pointless
AndyM wrote:Queensland has recorded 1,589 new cases of COVID-19, with no-one being treated for symptoms in hospital intensive care units.
that's gotta make ya wonder
like really really wonder...
if it doesn't, you've lost all capacity to think at all
According to Scummo :
“Only people living with confirmed coronavirus cases will be considered close contacts as the country goes through a “gear change” to deal with the surging Omicron outbreaks across most states and territories.”
The strange thing is that the chickenshits amongst us will lose their tiny minds over this . They’ll get emotional and say that Scummo is just shifting the goalposts and you can’t just arbitrarily change the definitions of a virus to alter the outcomes.
It’s strange they think this now after two years of absolutely arbitrary definitions defining the entire pandemic. Everything from a case to a hospitalisation and even a death is arbitrary.
Claiming that someone is not an accountable close contact due to a wording change is no different from claiming someone is hospitalised with covid just because they happened to visit a hospital within 28 days of a positive result on a covid test.
Numberwang.
AndyM wrote:Queensland has recorded 1,589 new cases of COVID-19, with no-one being treated for symptoms in hospital intensive care units.
Just wait AndyM. Anyone with a basic level of intelligence knows that hospitalisation numbers trail new infections. Give it a week and the inevitable will be happening in Queensland.
And with the exception of the mouth breathing village idiots on this site, everyone knows those hospital admissions will be heavily skewed to the unvaccinated. If I was the Queensland premier, I'd be charging the unvaxxed fuckwits for their treatment.
Oh and sypkan, you're too stupid to see these obvious trends. Two fucking years and you still can't work this basic shit out. Fuck you are slow.
sypkan wrote:AndyM wrote:Queensland has recorded 1,589 new cases of COVID-19, with no-one being treated for symptoms in hospital intensive care units.
that's gotta make ya wonder
like really really wonder...
if it doesn't, you've lost all capacity to think at all
And I’m assuming its all omicron.
it's just the QLD spirit kicking in.
Vic Local wrote:AndyM wrote:Queensland has recorded 1,589 new cases of COVID-19, with no-one being treated for symptoms in hospital intensive care units.
Just wait AndyM. Anyone with a basic level of intelligence knows that hospitalisation numbers trail new infections. Give it a week and the inevitable will be happening in Queensland.
And with the exception of the mouth breathing village idiots on this site, everyone knows those hospital admissions will be heavily skewed to the unvaccinated. If I was the Queensland premier, I'd be charging the unvaxxed fuckwits for their treatment.
Oh and sypkan, you're too stupid to see these obvious trends. Two fucking years and you still can't work this basic shit out. Fuck you are slow.
VIC Local sounds tired and emotional.
Big day of being shown for a fool huh bloke?
Hit the showers Bloke. Maybe try again tomorrow.
..he kept repeating to me don't let them bullshit you into believing its only a mild cold........at best it's a mild Flu......
sypkan wrote:AndyM wrote:Queensland has recorded 1,589 new cases of COVID-19, with no-one being treated for symptoms in hospital intensive care units.
that's gotta make ya wonder
like really really wonder...
if it doesn't, you've lost all capacity to think at all
Dan Andrews locked Victorians in their houses for 23 hours a day during four months of winter because of 6 “cases”.
He locked 1.2 million regional Victorians in their houses for four months of winter because a local shit pond somewhere amongst those millions of healthy, innocent people might have, possibly, maybe shown a trace element of the DEATH PLAGUE.
Exact same virus. What’s changed?
Andrews needs gaoling.
Looks like Israel's on the way up rapidly again with cases.
What's that they're up to now, 4 jabs??
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
There were quite a lot of waves during that 4 months locked in our regional houses, maybe the sea levels really have risen
sypkan wrote:Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:ok boomer
sorry bindboy, but it is my daily endeavour to not engage with you... as it only ends in name calling, negativity, and no civil discourse whatsoever...
Ok boomer, is not name calling or negative?
no it is not...
it is submitting to the superiority that some people clearly believe that they possess (usually boomers) as any further dialogue would be pointless
Yes it is…you’re too stupid to actually get it.
You just do what you criticise others for…so funny.
I'm on the Fight Club theme tonight.
Tell me that:
not enough vaccines for next booster
not enough staff for testing
contact tracing overloaded
people waiting all day and can't get a test
close contacts isolated for Xmas (or NY)
people just not getting on their flights
businesses opening then closing as staff are close contacts
customers cancelling as don't feel safe or want to be a close contact
people cancelling NYE
hospital cases rising when staff are exhausted
hospital staff recalled over Xmas
rules rapidly changing as each domino falls in the management chain
press conferences fixing things apparently
and the bloke who missed the birth of his firstborn as standing in a queue for a test
...is not a bit "Project Mayhem".
bluediamond wrote:Looks like Israel's on the way up rapidly again with cases.
What's that they're up to now, 4 jabs??
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
velocityjohnno wrote:I'm on the Fight Club theme tonight.
Tell me that:
not enough vaccines for next booster
not enough staff for testing
contact tracing overloaded
people waiting all day and can't get a test
close contacts isolated for Xmas (or NY)
people just not getting on their flights
businesses opening then closing as staff are close contacts
customers cancelling as don't feel safe or want to be a close contact
people cancelling NYE
hospital cases rising when staff are exhausted
hospital staff recalled over Xmas
rules rapidly changing as each domino falls in the management chain
press conferences fixing things apparently
and the bloke who missed the birth of his firstborn as standing in a queue for a test...is not a bit "Project Mayhem".
Happening simultaneously throughout the developed world and no where else. Apparently the politically inconsequential nations aren’t afflicted by the virus in the same manner.
Lucky I guess!
Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:Roadkill wrote:sypkan wrote:ok boomer
sorry bindboy, but it is my daily endeavour to not engage with you... as it only ends in name calling, negativity, and no civil discourse whatsoever...
Ok boomer, is not name calling or negative?
no it is not...
it is submitting to the superiority that some people clearly believe that they possess (usually boomers) as any further dialogue would be pointless
Yes it is…you’re too stupid to actually get it.
You just do what you criticise others for…so funny.
ohhhhhhh you really got me there roadkill.... ouch...
sharp tool, shed
You can say what you want about the government, vaccines, ivermectin or anything, there’s plenty of evidence to support any theory you want.
My advice: if you get Covid whatever the strain Delta, Omicron, the original or Omega seek early treatment advice from your doctor.
Throw the kitchen sink at it as early as possible
Blowin wrote:I Focus :
“Note the complete lack of empathy, place has turned into a dog pack in operation some thing noted during the Spanish Flu pandemic.“
What are you on about bloke ? Lack of empathy? For who ? For the tens of thousands of people who were meant to be on death’s door but who only have a headache and the sniffles?
Spanish Flu?
Fuck mate, you’re so deep in the DEATH PLAGUE fantasy that you don’t even recognise the reality when it’s shoved in front of your face.
Tens of thousands of people have your death plague and it’s less onerous than a bad flu season. Literally less people in hospital than if the equivalent number of people caught the flu. Yet still you’re holding onto your breath with fear , such is the entrenched propaganda within you.
Thanks Blowin that gave me a much needed smile, surf is flat has been for days.
Here in WA fear isn't a factor we don't have COVID the latest is looking like its contained maybe, unlike the East Coast although there is a growing apprehension on the opening in Feb.
Realistically its early to be calling where this will go as cases grow but note the NSW hospitalization rates are rising rapidly, plenty of twists and turns still to go.
Take care your not bullet proof... yet
Cant wait for the borders to open and get hit with the lockdowns etc in WA.
UK Vax Bully NYE Resolutions
"Door 2 Door Vaxing > Nuthin' Suss!"
"Mood in the country is hardening against people who refuse the Vax."
"10% hesitants are locking up the country for 90% that do the Right thing"
"Doctors" have said that 'up to 90%' of ICU Patients are Unvaxed!"
"Covid Death 32x higher for Unvaxed!"
[ Reality Check ]
15th Nov- 12th Dec. UK infections
Unvaxed 132,809 / 14.6% from 31% of Unvaxed Population infected 0.72 others
1/2 Vaxed 775,634 / 85.4% from 68.2% of 1+2 Vaxed Population infected 1.96 others
Full Vaxed 736,012 / 81% from 62.6% of Full Vaxed Population infected 2.02 others
Full vaxed are 2.8x more infectious in the community than neutral unvaxed antibodies.
Dec Report WHO/ Imperial College England "Omicron Infections > Hospitalisations
Strictly [ Delta ] vs [ Omicron ] Comparisons Only (Total Cases / reinfections not listed)
1-14th Dec England [Delta] infections No Vax 109,331 (vs) 1+2 Vaxed 155,689
Vax breakdown highest infectious groups > AZ D2~14-21yr 67,717 / Pfizer D2~14-21yr 41,477
1-14th Dec England [Omicron] Infections No Vax 9,585 (vs) 1+2 Vaxed 45,551
Vax breakdown highest infection groups > Pfizer D2~14-21yr 22,249 / AZ D2~14-21yr 11,440
{ Anomaly }
WHO record High Youth Vax Stats do not figure as high in UK ( 4 week Surveillance Data )
Usual 4 wk Vax tallies @ 50,000 Youth avg...this here 2 week Data is hitting 200,000 for same dates?
All things being = Mass Youth Vax cases match ultra high 200-300,000 Unvaxed youth infection stats!
Q: Are UK laundering Youth Vax infections thru Ultra high unvaxed Tallies to win over Family approval.
WHO air the dirty laundry & we see a Mass flip of 100k Youth infection rates from unvaxed to Vaxed.
Should we all just lie there & think of England? C'mon people...Say something!
England Hospitalizations [ Delta ] (vs) [ Omicron ]
23 July Hospitalizations Full Vaxed 40% pre/early Delta (1 Dose / No Vax n/a)
https://www.cebm.ox.ac.uk/news/views/covid-the-reason-cases-are-rising-a...
Dec Omicron Hospitalizations to Delta > No Vax 11% lower > AZ lower > Pfizer/Moderna = or Higher!
1-14th Dec England [ Delta ] Hospitalizations No Vax 1,466 (vs) 1+2 Vaxed 1,632
Vax Breakdown (Highest Hospitalized groups) > AZ D2 ~14-21yr 857 / Pfizer D2 ~14-21yr 293
1-14th Dec England [ Omicron ] Hospitalizations > No Vax 56 (vs) 1+2 Vaxed 155
Vax breakdown (Highest Hospital groups) > Pfizer D2 ~14-21yr 60 / AZ D2 ~ 14-21yr 42
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2021...
29th Dec England [Omicron] Hospitalizations > No Vax 26% 174 / Vaxed 74% 494
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10350161/Covid-19-UK-40-Omicron...
Emergency (29 Aug > 12 Dec) No vax 2487 > 3115 (+18-50yrs) (vs) Vaxed 3715 > 4339 (+ 50-80 yrs)
ICU (May-Nov) Unvaxed 74.6% falling to 47.5% (vs) Vaxed 25.4% doubles up to 52.5%
https://fullfact.org/health/unvaccinated-icu-channel4-icnarc/
EMCO is UK Health line in the Sand...(Minister's Unvaxed 9/10 Patients) over 200 units @ 9 Hospitals
EMCO is UK Flagship $1m / private patient life saver, never conceived for unvaxed heathens.
If the UK Health can't on sell it's premium Life Support to highest bidder, then all else is worthless.
https://www.bartshealth.nhs.uk/download.cfm?doc=docm93jijm4n5698.pdf&ver...
UK Covid Deaths (Month to 29th Aug > Month to 12th Dec)
No vax 695 up 23.3% to 885 RIP or 1/150 Unvaxed patients, represents 1/20,841 UK unvaxed pop'.
Vaxed 2033 up 43.2% to 2,912 RIP or 1/266 Vaxed patients, represents 1/13,583 UK vaxed pop'.
All world Stats keep showing that the more people vax, the more they infect & draw nearer to death.
Sorry to those who think that's a sick joke! It's the truth...each and every day both here & afar.
Data shows that Vax ain't no miracle cure & Hesitants mop up more Covid than they spread.
Just wish MSM would quit persecuting ill people that can't Vax thru repeated Health check denials.
Here for all is buckets of #1 UK Health infections Data & MSM will bury & stomp on every last digit.
Bonus Alt UK DATA...that speaks volumes.
Dec 2020 Almost all Tested S-antibody negative
Dec-June 2021 S-antibodies increase > June- Sept decrease > Oct- Nov Boosters rise in S-antibodies
Dec 97% of UK blood donors tested positive for S-antibodies
Meaning each age group has high level S-antibodies (Herd Immunity)
Explained away by both Vax + Natural Infections
Only 3% of UK residents are either unvaxed or uninfected...that's a real wake up call!
Page 48 Graphs show this well & worth seeing + touches on how Rollout orchestrates Outbreaks.
A scrap of hidden refreshing honesty buried in the mix...well as good as this lot is gonna give!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Now ask why UK Govt are so hell bent on flushing out 3% of lowest infectious, lowest risk hesitants?
If 97% Herd immunity is not enough...then surely get yer money back on World's shittiest Vax!
It's why media hate hesitants guts so much...just pin worsening Vax fail on 3% of bed ridden hesitants.
Pretty sure if just one expert can show just one nation with less covid & death than world will unite.
Whole point of vax was to save the community...well isn't it...Look around at Highest vax communities!
2 seconds is way too long to flee from Tsunamis of boiling Hot Covid laced with hate, lies & greed.
Unanswered questions of suppressing human immunity, spiking future viral escapes of endless need!
Never forget the lies of the past as they inform you of the lies told today.
Lie 1 : “The vaccines prevent infection and transmission.”
Lie 2 : “No one ever claimed the vaccines prevent infection or transmission.”
Lies on top of lies. Special note that the clinical evidence of vaccine efficacy on severe illness and death also rests almost entirely on the integrity of the same vaccine producers spouting lies such as this one. Feel free to provide evidence of comprehensive clinical trials showing vaccine efficacy undertaken by someone who is not a vaccine producer.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/covid-vaccine-pfizer-drug-is-more-than-9...
3 people died with a positive covid test yesterday. Two were double vaccinated, one was triple vaccinated.
Ah the unidentified "they" long beloved of conspiracy theorists and the weak minded. Followed, almost inevitably, by unsubstantiated claims designed to mislead.
So Blowie, who are "they" and where is the evidence that any relevant "they" ever claimed vaccines were 100% effective? The content of your link actually states clearly that expectations were lower.
The bullshit never ends.
blindboy wrote:Ah the unidentified "they" long beloved of conspiracy theorists and the weak minded. Followed, almost inevitably, by unsubstantiated claims designed to mislead.
So Blowie, who are "they" and where is the evidence that any relevant "they" ever claimed vaccines were 100% effective? The content of your link actually states clearly that expectations were lower.
The bullshit never ends.
The CEO of Pfizer claiming the vaccine reduces infection and transmission by 90%. Right there above you bloke. That wasn’t true then and it’s not true now. It was never true. It was a lie and those who say that the vaccines were never claimed to prevent Transmission and infection were lying too. You’re one of them bloke.
You can try to cover it up with more lies if you like. That seems to be your style.
Just stop lying.
The usual wilful ignorance. Still you have to admire the determination of a bloke so fired up he leaps out of bed every morning with nothing on his mind but keeping his bullshit fresh.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/how-effective-are-v...
Vaccines were only ever claimed to reduce transmissions and reduce infection and reduce admissions.
It’s early for snowflake to be spitting anger and misinformation. Maybe he is aiming to beat the other days 23 posts in a couple of hours record?
I met 3 people yesterday, same family, all have had covid. Mother and daughter both fully vaxxed…headaches, sore throat but nothing major. Father, lost 50% lung capacity to a virus a few years ago, didn’t get vaxxed as was too scared due to lungs. Got sore throat, headache thought this was the end, admitted to hospital after 24 hours was told to go home as no change in symptoms but come back if any change…no change and says it was just like a slight cold.
I think blowin deserves a bit of a congratulations. It’s 9;30 and he hasn’t called anyone a chickenshit or softcock yet. Well done blowie. It’s a little step.
Roadkill wrote:I met 3 people yesterday, same family, all have had covid. Mother and daughter both fully vaxxed…headaches, sore throat but nothing major. Father, lost 50% lung capacity to a virus a few years ago, didn’t get vaxxed as was too scared due to lungs. Got sore throat, headache thought this was the end, admitted to hospital after 24 hours was told to go home as no change in symptoms but come back if any change…no change and says it was just like a slight cold.
So the father even though being un-vaxxed and half his lungs working had the same symptoms as his fully vaxxed relatives?
goofyfoot wrote:Roadkill wrote:I met 3 people yesterday, same family, all have had covid. Mother and daughter both fully vaxxed…headaches, sore throat but nothing major. Father, lost 50% lung capacity to a virus a few years ago, didn’t get vaxxed as was too scared due to lungs. Got sore throat, headache thought this was the end, admitted to hospital after 24 hours was told to go home as no change in symptoms but come back if any change…no change and says it was just like a slight cold.
So the father even though being un-vaxxed and half his lungs working had the same symptoms as his fully vaxxed relatives?
yes
Strange how Covid works eh
Yep, then my fit double vaccinated mate over east side has been absolutely flogged since Sunday and still hasn't recovered. Guessing he's got Delta though.
Some of this accounts from the past 5 days..
Sunday..
"Starting to deteriorate aye. So hard to move. Body is bonked. Thankfully no fever yet and can still taste. No appetite though…"
Monday..
"Fully can’t move. Actually reminds me of altitude sickness. All I wanna do is sleep but BPM is racing."
Tuesday..
"Super rough. So achey"
Wednesday..
"Had hectic fever last night aye. Woke in a pool of sweat shaking, ***** thought I pissed the bed"
Thursday..
"Yeah been horizontal all day. Still weighing in at 37.6°C"
"So happy to be vaxxed. Pretty fuckin’ sure I’d be in hospital if I wasn’t "
The 3 people I saw, all had Delta.
Craig wrote:Yep, then my fit double vaccinated mate over east side has been absolutely flogged since Sunday and still hasn't recovered. Guessing he's got Delta though.
Some of this accounts from the past 5 days..
Sunday..
"Starting to deteriorate aye. So hard to move. Body is bonked. Thankfully no fever yet and can still taste. No appetite though…"Monday..
"Fully can’t move. Actually reminds me of altitude sickness. All I wanna do is sleep but BPM is racing."Tuesday..
"Super rough. So achey"Wednesday..
"Had hectic fever last night aye. Woke in a pool of sweat shaking, ***** thought I pissed the bed"Thursday..
"Yeah been horizontal all day. Still weighing in at 37.6°C""So happy to be vaxxed. Pretty fuckin’ sure I’d be in hospital if I wasn’t "
Great first hand account. Hopefully he has no long term issues.
I haven't seen any data on this but it seems likely that there are still pockets of delta around in Sydney.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia