Interesting stuff

That's a good point WOL. Stimulating by govt work or new currency supply to the banks first doesn't necessarily save small and medium business (and the many who work for them) who need some framework established now.

Will look for link - edit: I just tried going through some sites, can't find it. The first 3 pages of Zero Hedge are really worth a scan over the headlines, never have I ever seen so many crazy shit headlines and that's saying something. Themes: QE isn't working, Repo isn't working, funding markets frozen, market stopped Philipines, soft ATM run Austria, business being destroyed by the virus, big ones drawing on Revolver LOCs, commodity crash, market days of -10% common, limit up to limit down futures, anyway I gotta get some things done now. Feel free to play the REM song

"The graphs don't lie, this government is not 'stimulating' anyone (except for themselves maybe)."

Absolutely, Westie.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5dmqyk/naomi-klein-interview-on-coron...

Bodgy Aussie version to come.

Oi!!!!

@ I Focus
Just did a bit of reading on P2/N95 respirators.
CDC suggests that you could reuse one up to 5 times (or to manufacturers' req's) so long as it does not become moist, does not come into contact with any bodily fluids, droplets in the air, etc, and taken on and off carefully (ie with sterile gloves on, not making any contact with the mask) and is stored in a sterile location.
So they're a little more robust than surgical masks, but still can't be used indefinitely.
Just as a disclaimer, I'm no doctor or health expert, I'm just echoing things I've read and conversations I've had with people better informed than me.

Over 20 Corona Vaccine Research Labs in US / Aust. / China / Israel.
Many are funded by Bill Gates Foundation.

Note: Even though Aust Features, it's drug manufacturing base has been eroded.
Meaning we must sell out & join back of the queue for our own drug supplies.
Aust Govt can't even supply enough Flu vaccine for Oz in recent years.(Not Good!)

Aussies worked out Corona is less of a target! Answer lies in past less used drugs.

Here are those Labs closest to Distributing a Worldwide Vaccine

Immediate worldwide Supplies with existing Drugs (Not a vaccine but a crude cure)
17 March 2022 UQ Malaria Drug- Chloroquine + Aids Drug Lopinavir / ritonavir
1st trials were 1st wave of Oz/Chinese patients with Aids drug (Kaletra).
Immediate Oz wide Trial is pending!
Aids drug- Protease inhibitor prevents Corona spreading, thereby reproducing.
Malaria Drug/Chloroquine- Salt poisons corona from living in Red Blood cells
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8115879/COVID-19-Australian-res...

China (Following Australia's Lead)
https://pharmaphorum.com/news/chinese-coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready...
Big Pharm with China are now wheeling out backlog of Aids / Ebola / Drugs / Sars
See last entry...below!

Preamble..no idea what's up with Israel.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/scientists-in-israel-l...

July 2020 ( Aug 2020 > World Wide)
March / April Trials @ Israel / Migal (Lab's IBV Poultry Trials were onto similar)
(Offshoot version) Protein triggers body to produce antibodies to attack virus
https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-w...
PS:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-doctor-coronavirus-vaccine-will-take-1...
tbb: Israel have lost all credibility with 24/7 whitecoat propoganda news reels
Govt orders Lab ultimatums, all would get sick just buying their vaccine...(No more!)
tbb is sorry, but there's reams of this stuff...no idea about any clams or timelines!
Yes! Repeatedly told by world over to not trash Science at crucial Time. (A shame!)

March 2021 > May 2021 Worldwide
16th March 2020 - Seattle Test Trial of 45 begins [ mRNA-1273 ]
Corona Gene segment copy then builds immunity...best Scientific procedure
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51906604

No-Timeline (Not a Race) But every chance of bringing 1st vaccine to Market!
July 2020 Trial @ UQ/UoM/CSIRO S-Spike (Molecular Corona Clamps own Virus)
Tried Science & Not Complicated as Corona mutates less than Flu,
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-22/coronavirus-vaccine-animal-testin...

Nov 2021 > (Aug 2022 Worldwide)
July-Aug Toronto Trials Medicago grows Corona like Virus particle.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/canadian-scientists-make-breakthrough-in-c...

Big Pharm are following OZ/China lead of fast wheeling out past drugs/Trials!
Could be we see a lot of Corona destructo Drugs in next few months / Not vaccines.
World might just get what it needs...a halt to this madness! Buy some time!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2020/03/13/coronavirus-drug-updat...

v (Reply to Pops / below ) v Right you are, more about politics.
All early tests were random! Aids/Malaria patients crossed all countries.
Can clear a patient in 3 days...But! tbb earlier reported some cases of 18% reinfection.Hmm!
One wonders if this anomaly was due to not quite killing the virus with these said drugs.

US Big Pharm are pushing what they can corner (eg: Ebola Drugs)
China & Oz are supposedly squeezed out of Ebola, so opt for WHO Aids / Malaria Drugs

World's biggest ever captive market requires most Evil Do Gooderz.
This is the moment Dr No kills for!
So! Not the fastest or most effective but most exclusive licensed drug!
World would die of shock, if Corona vaccine was affordable & available to all.
Each to there own it is...Doubt if Yanks would inject Chinese truth Serum?

Anyhow, this chapter is changing by the minute...
tbb was merely taking stock but news finally got onto it today, which is good !
Good! because tbb is out of his depth & has no lab coat, almost got away with it!

TBB, IIRC some of those older HIV treatments were reported as having some pretty horrendous side effects - any idea if that's the case for the ones that seem to be effective against SARS CoV-2?

Blowin- "I still think there’s something suspect about this whole Coronavirus deal.
I can’t put my finger on what it is , but I feel like it’s a setup ."
I am beginning to think along the same lines Blowin.
https://humansarefree.com/2020/02/5-nwo-agendas-accompanying-the-coronav...

NZ won't fit your Shock Doctrine conspiracy theory. 2 week non-monitored self-isolation, and a NZ$12 billion injection of money into the economy, via people's wallets.

Where're you getting that from Blowin?
I've been doing a little bit of research on housing prices in recessions (I've been looking for a place I can afford for a while now, rather futilely, and trying to judge whether pulling the pin on that for a while might be a wise move). Doesn't seem to be a strong link between recessions and crashes in housing markets from what I've found - though intuition tells me otherwise.

Thanks Pops I have seen the "one use thing" consistently (never thought to google doh) and was interested in what the issues were, cheers.

No worries.

I made it to 1:53 with that video and had to push myself to get there, but that said i did watch another video a few days ago that is going around trying to link this to 5G.

I mean seriously if you are going to link this virus to something in some conspiracy cover up, can we at least make it half realistic.

I dont know, maybe China are currently expanding at crazy rates in the south sea or something, i mean they can build huge hospitals in a few weeks or something.

I dont know, im not good at making up conspiracy theories, but we can surely do better than 5G

"How can you support an average house price of $800k in a market where there is mass unemployment, zero consumer spending, instability."?

easy - 5000 year low interest rates pushed down artificially

Indo, you want a 5g conspiracy theory, how about 26,000 scientists:

https://principia-scientific.org/petition-26000-scientists-oppose-5g-rol...

Dodgy looking site there VJ, looks like it wants you to try to download a virus or something.

All in all I don't think last March was such a bad popularity contest to lose after all

Hey Alan Jones...what does it sound like when you put the cork back in the bottle??

No idea...best ask Scott and his mate Peter

PS...and dam you tbb...I mentioned that potential cure found by researchers in Brisbane days before you...stole my dam glory

The only conspiracy worth giving any time to are the numbers of cases they keep updating us on every 5 seconds.

Rates are completely irrelevant due to lack of testing...I would guess deliberate lack

I bought that friend a plane ticket to Coffs and picked her up myself. She begged to be tested here and in Sydney but was no chance...and she returned from a very high risk zone

Noticed that afterward Andy, gave the computer a good scrub.

15,000 children under 5 die every fucking day, not from Covid-19

No one ever panics

We'll know a lot more globally when we can test people not only to determine if they have the virus but also if they have had it and recovered without showing any symptoms. This test is being developed by public health England and should be available in weeks rather than months according to Chris Witty, Chief Medical Officer.
Confirmed cases in the UK are around 1500 but data modelling from Imperial College London puts the likely number of infected people closer to 50000. Many people get and don't realise, many more have mild symptoms.
The UK response has changed in recent days as new information comes from Italy and China with action now being taken to suppress and halt the outbreak rather than contain it or 'flatten the curve'.

the numbers are out of 'balance' balance because they've been using china's numbers to predict stuff ...china's numbers are worth less than a piece of shit...

poor old norman swan has been having a very public personal crisis going on. quietly, politely, going out of his mind for the last few weeks, trying to get the government to act quicker

yesterday he was spruiking "non peer reviewed research"...

now there's a development...

-models showing travel bans fast and early are best chance of control... "...all scenarios show" -NOW you fucking tell us! ...smoco and uni's ignored the bloody obvious... defied the bloody obvious ...selfish cunts...

-spruiked version of herd immunity is a joke, barely meets the definition, doesn't at all actually...

- highly probable it developed in bats

-seafood market almost certainly was an 'amplification event'

-US virus? all data points to a wuhan starting point

-looks like virus behaving differently, not necessarily mutating

-safest prediction will mutate, but nothing to say mutations will b worse, possibly opposite...

-hard decisions (playing god) for oz medical system going forward, ...much like those unorganised italians it seems....

conclusion: big fuck up

ongoing...

Norman is on the money

Try this as a better link, hopefully not a dodgy site:

Petition description is a good overview and there are links to the science/studies across multiple fields. Have a read, consider some of the linked information and peer reviewed papers and make up your own mind.

https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/the-appeal

In my own professional life I came across information that would support the theme of this appeal as early as 2003.

VJ, could read your link that time.

FWIW Dr Karl disagrees.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-08-28/is-5g-safe-dr-karl-radiat...

A little while ago Stu said something along the lines of "no one can plead ignorance because there's so much info out there".

Many would say there's too much information out there.

And yes Norman is correct.

It's a(nother) situation where two schools of thought will bash heads together in an information war, like so many issues today. I will read Dr Karl too. There is no doubt the technology will become widespread, and the responses people have will range from nothing to tin foil body condom kind of thing. It would be nice to have a vote on whether it is introduced.

Yep two schools of thought.

Science and Pseudoscience.

Like this

Social distancing ,,, finally something I,m good at.
I've stocked my doomsday bunker up on playstation games , weed , home brew supplies , a netflix subscription and a few assorted condiments.
Not worried about toilet paper , I have three healthy paper bark trees nearby

From my understanding it is a genuine health threat Blowin, particularly for older people and those with underlying health issues. The mortality rate in this group could be >5%. For those not in this group and particularly young people it looks like way south of 1%.

The radical approach in China was timely as it halted the spread of the virus which if it gets into the at risk groups will overwhelm any health system. Italy were slow to act and have experienced unprecedented pressure on services. Its this situation which has promted the UK to move earlier than planned to advise people to avoid pubs, clubs, theatres etc and unnecessary social interaction. As well as advising at risk groups to stay at home for what is looking like a few months.

It seems this virus will come and go for a couple of years while immunsiation comes online and takes effect, the challenge will be in developing a strategy to protect the most vulnerable while allowing those who have had it and the less vulnerable to go about their lives.

I’ve got an old dog named Boomer, and a puppy named Hope. Anyway, Boomer just got up to leave the room, then cocked his leg on Hope’s breakfast bowl on the way out

Another way of looking at it is that Chinese authorities see a situation and react pro actively. Even though the numbers are low they could see the potential for more so acted despite the major effect on the economy.

For instance we now know that infected people in Australia travelled from a number of different countries. 2 cases from South Korea, 18 from Italy and 15 from China and there are travel bans for people entering Australia from those countries.

28 cases from the United States and no travel ban from America. That isn't a proactive response

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/india-is-containing-coronavirus-d...

Look at the timeline of responses in India compared to Australia. Cricket is almost a religion and still they cancelled and have postponed games. Here the AFL is still insisting on having a full season.

As an aside, I saw an old guy in the supermarket yesterday, at a guess I'd say he was well into his 70's. He was leaning on his walking stick, alone, in front of the empty toilet paper shelf reading the label on one of the last 2 packets of flushable wipes, no doubt working out if they were going to the job. It was a really sad thing to see.

Not sure about herd immunity but after seeing the supermarket yesterday I can say that Australia definitely has herd insanity

there were cops in Woolies Lismore during the pensioners hour.

pretty fucking shocking.

Same scenario here too...plus security!! Those pensioners can get pretty unruly!

"Look at the timeline of responses in India compared to Australia. Cricket is almost a religion and still they cancelled and have postponed games. Here the AFL is still insisting on having a full season."

Honestly as a Victorian AFL should go on no matter what, they need to fully isolate teams from the public and coaches staff, umpires.

If we are all going to be stuck at home all winter we need AFL more than ever, AFL is the thing that gets half us mexicans through our depressing song winters.

No AFL, no WSL and risk of not getting to Indo because of travel bans...im scared shitless of the upcoming winter.

Limitations on public gatherings shrinking, first 500, now if I'm following it correctly it's 100.

Meanwhile, today I've gotta drive up to Sydney to go to a funeral of an old friend and it's easy to make a call from a distance, not knowing the person or the circumstances, but a tougher decision from close range. The death was sudden, she went young-ish leaving behind two early teen daughters. It feels right to go along, support friends and family, remember a good life, albeit one that ended too soon.

Yet the advice has been to avoid gatherings for the sake of, ultimately, the health of seniors, something that still feels a bit abstract. What about the here and now, the life of a person who passed away in the midst of all this shit?

Simon Kerr 1985-2020 - dreamer, charger, friend. Damned black dog. Go to the funeral Stu, give seniors a bit of space.

I been thinking about this issue and the way the entire world has reacted...obviously some countries differently to others...but everywhere generally has been pretty hectic, immediate, drastic...we humans are funny creatures....we really need to be directly impacted by something tangible before we take action

I wonder at what point the world will act similarly to climate change...at least we have shown we can

RIP to your friends, treasure the moments you had with them. Those moments and experiences are what we take away.

Today we have tiny, clean waves. Clouds are building and with it the anticipation of a weather change. A super fun session yesterday on floaty boards. Edit: I'm hearing personal stories of possible workplace infections. Takeaway message is you really want to organise a "work from home" plan before your workplace gets into this situation. Not after.

OK news for this morning, first something concerning, take heed if you are a bit younger:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-doctor-says-lung-scans-for-you...

You don't want this on your lungs if you can avoid it.

Secondly, my heart went out to Billie, Goofy, Zen and other business owners. There may be a solution, however:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/how-small-business-is-coping-with...

It will require a re-jig of the business model, but no reason goods can't flow with distancing between businesses, couriers, and destinations. (At destination, check peer reviewed papers to see how long the virus may last on surfaces, last one I read said 3 days). At home, maybe you want a 'deliveries' basket or box near the front door. A re-jig - but it can be done.

Maybe Swellnet might put up a market place, eg

VJ is in Surfcoast area, and forgot to stock up on surf wax. !!! Can anyone send a care package? Work out billing (paypal, cards, etc)

Stu, doubt anyone would begrudge you bending the rules for a funeral.

Hope you're ok.

morons clogging up wu flu testing stations looking for doc certificates so they can work!!

the economy must go on i guess... but...

come on people, abusing hospital staff because you can't get a certificate to work? WTF!

go spend some time with your family

and employers? stop being so fucking dumb ..FFS

actually, ....everyone needs to stop being so dumb... we are ruled by a party of idiots blinded by ideology. sadly, it's up to the people now...

keep it together

and be polite

Balance, regarding the environment, you answered your own question

we humans are funny creatures....we really need to be directly impacted by something tangible before we take action

Which, as you know, is the point it’s too late. No money now for the environment, that was part of the deal in taking this action in shutting down the world. One of the main reasons I was cautious. The dominos leading to that have always been clear.

One positive I can see, is that now the entire world well and truely hates Chinas guts, we’re safe from an invasion, if indeed they were positioning for one before 2020. How many countries do you reckon would line up to defend us, if only to vent what they can’t say about the Wuhan Flu

I’ve been hospitalised...no breathing difficulties, but so sick.