The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

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velocityjohnno wrote:

I found a comment on the worldnews thread that has made much of what I'm seeing currently very clear:

"PadmeSkywalker
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Gen Z has been raised on a diet of intersectional politics. I’m going to paste one of my previous comments below to explain why they side with Palestine:

To everyone saying that this isn’t a left/right issue, the left views everything through a lens of race/power dynamics. There is always someone who is oppressed and someone who is an oppressor. By default white people are always the oppressors. Hence, the white Israelis are the oppressors of the POC Palestinians. The oppressed do not have agency, since they are oppressed, and thus have no responsibility for their actions. What they say can never be questioned because it is their lived experience and cannot be subject to objective reality. The oppressor is always responsible for all of the actions of the oppressed group, because they are the only ones with the power. Any actions taken by the oppressed, including violence are morally correct as these are the only tools they have to try to overcome their oppression. Any bad choices they take are the responsibility of the oppressors because only they shape society, and society has shaped the oppressed to not be able to take good actions.

Viewed through this, a lot of viewpoints on the left make sense. This includes why you will have people who declare themselves to be staunch feminists, Trans rights activists and other left wing groups staunchly being anti-Israel. Because to them Israel will always be the oppressor and any actions they take will be wrong. It’s why there is the cognitive dissonance of not being able to admit or to downplay things that Hamas does like their actions on 10/7 or even the hospital bombing. It would clash with their ideology so they ignore is or bend themselves into pretzels to justify it.

The race/oppression lens is also why left wing jurisdictions take certain decisions. Why reduce sentences for crimes, even though it makes crimes worse? If a corporation leaves an area because of the crime rates, why blame the corporation? Etc… it bleeds into everything in society."

found here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/17bon5j/rworldnews_live_thre...

The very problem with this world view is in the definitions. If you fuck up identifying who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed; or fuck up that anyone is actually oppressed or oppressor in the first place - you are misdiagnosing individuals up to entire societies. For example, how can a homeless white person in Philadelphia be oppressing anyone? They are people the society has abandoned. If you misdiagnose, you create conflict where there should be none, and better effort would be spent raising everyone up. The lived experience/never questioned bit feeds into the school example I raised where students were encouraged to examine text on how it made them feel, not critical analysis. This method is erroneous as it excuses any emotional response, without pause or consideration of the wider human experience in what they are looking at. The group defined with power having responsibility for all of the actions of the group defined without is a denial of free agency, and creates problems because people do tend to act in their own best interests. Overall it's a great ideology to tear things down. A more brutal world arises in it's aftermath.

Classic marxism VJ. A dreadful ideology that should never exist. A marxists leader always fights against the oppressor, perceived or real. At some point, they run out of oppressors so they need to create new ones otherwise their existence stops making any sense. By their own admission, the struggle is permanent and ongoing. To keep it permanent one needs permanent enemies. As evidenced on many occasions, this usually results in human tragedy.

yes that's well said VJ.

Here's something specifically about BLM by Mike Gonzalez from the Heritage Foundation, one of the US's leading conservative think tanks:

BLM's support of Hamas is perfectly in line with its goals https://t.co/OrsZ78xGBY

— Mike Gonzalez (@Gundisalvus) October 19, 2023

And clicking through to the article, it starts with:

"Embracing the vilest forms of terrorism as a means of destroying Israel is a feature, not a bug, of revolutionary “decolonization.” Israel must be destroyed, groups such as Black Lives Matter say, because it is a white settler, white supremacist state (which is also how they see us, so consider yourself warned)...This endorsement of Hamas’s recent atrocities has come from organizations that are the leading ideological voices of BLM..."

The whole militant progressive left activist tribe is compelled by their political-cultural ideology of western Marxism and critical race theory into supporting terrorists. We're a little more immune to this madness in Australia but the level of support for Islamic terrorists in the US by the militant progressive activists, particularly across uni campuses, is quite startling.

Actually, clicking through to the author's book:

BLM: The Making of a New Marxist Revolution

"This book examines who the BLM leaders are, delving into their backgrounds and exposing their agendas. They are shown to be avowed Marxists who say they want to dismantle our way of life. Along with their fellow activists, they make savvy use of social media to spread their message and organize marches, sit-ins, statue-tumblings, and riots. In 2020 they seized upon the video showing George Floyd’s suffering as a pretext to unleash a nationwide insurgency."

"Mike Gonzalez shows why Americans must take seriously the architects of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and Critical Race Theory. He systematically reveals how these Marxists seek to transform America into something unimagined by the Founders and unrecognizable to most Americans today. His diagnosis of the threat is superbly argued and his wake-up call sorely needed.

And of course The Voice is an example of this Marxist activism coming to Australia and trying to modify our foundational institutions in a way that is precisely at odds with and against these institutions' spirit and principles. While on The Voice, has anyone here actually read the full 112 pages behind the Uluru statement, its background and motivation, and the intentions and objective of its architects?:

https://www.niaa.gov.au/sites/default/files/foi-log/foi-2223-016.pdf

"Overall it's a great ideology to tear things down"

and therein lies the whole goal

for some...

I'm no lover of capitalism

but, until the rainbow parade offers an alternative beyond violent revenge and retribution...

(and fetishing of and footwashig for the 'victors')

I'll stick with what we've got thanks

there is a better way...

the rainbow parade are just too dumb to offer any viable alternatives

great example of how metaphor is fine, literal is gross, sypkan

Thank you Gabor Mate.

Haha ;)

The bloke trying to call out irony…

‘To keep it permanent one needs permanent enemies. As evidenced on many occasions, this usually results in human tragedy.’

- forgotten bout that military industrial complex ;);)

The ‘war’ against communism…(vietnam, korea, cold war russia etc)… the war against terror/islam… (iraq, afghanistan, syria)… the war against chinaaaaaa… (covid - recall the ‘we are in this together fighting an unseen enemy’ spiel)…the war against russia…(ukraine)… and full circle back to commies and terror and viruses etc…
- permanent enemy threats ;);)

The idf (israeli attack force) has dropped over 6000 ‘precision’ bombs in nearly a fortnight at a cost of $25000 per unit …
- so, that’s around $150 million worth of weaponry just there.
Pretty good numbers, if that’s what ‘protecting national interests’ entails ;)

The US is making coin. Lots of it. And it requires more conflict and escalation in order to keep the money ball rolling. It’s a fact. It’s undeniable ;)

Who made the coin out of covid ?… american interests… who made (and still makes) money out of ukraine ? american interests. Who benefited most from the illegal invasion of iraq etc… ?
…Get the picture ;)

So then the big picture inevitably leads to… who makes money out of israel ? ;);)

- as it requires and produces permanent enemies, and actions resulting in human tragedy…

Wow ;) who would’ve thought the US and the west not only behaves in a way similar to marxism, but also consciously and unconsciously creates, trains, and facilitates ‘marxist’ enemies ;)

After all, the west is being oppressed by the threat of communism and marxist ideology and islamic terror and ummm… colonial invasion, genocide and occupation (oops that’s our team shhh)…

Who provided arms and training to osama to fight the russians back in the day (and how’d that turn out)…who provided weaponry to iraq and also iran so they could fuck each other up in the 80’s. Who bankrolled and trained and weaponised islamic terrorist fighers to challenge perceived political threats in the middle east and revolutionary militias in south america etc… the list is fucking endless.

Who develops and manufactures and sells the most advanced and sophisticated ordinance and weaponry in the world ? Is this a burgeoning industry that continues to grow and feed human tragedy world wide ? Is it a monumental cash cow that is not only essential for the sustenance and facilitation of american interests, but also one of the main reasons we are in a supposed ‘climate crisis’… ;);)

How has military intervention in iraq, afghanistan, syria, ukraine, gaza/west bank contributed to stability, growth, liberty, freedom, unity or….. peace ?
- and what has all this done to the environment ?
… it has decimated lands and people, geez where’d all these refugees come from! They can’t come here !! ;);)
Stop the boats ! ;)

So… when ‘it appears it was done by the other team’… try understand the international rules based order makes up rules, breaks them, gets upset and condemns others who do so - yet we create the teams, manipulate the field, appoint the referee, insist on playing by the rules… and then break them again …

Because the ‘rule of law’ is only applicable to some. And you can’t question it ;)
Otherwise… pls explain why even though Israel’s occupation has been acknowledged by the international high court as being exactly that - an occupation - it’s not ;)
And just coz the UN says israeli settlements are illegal and should cease immediately - it’s not and they can just do whatever the fark they want.

So when the media and international governments and law makers say israel has the right to defend itself under international law - it can ….
- but it doesn’t.
It’s proven.

‘To keep it permanent one needs permant enemies. As evidenced on many occasions, this usually results in human tragedy’.

- correct ;)
Oh… the irony.
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sypkan wrote:

"Overall it's a great ideology to tear things down"

and therein lies the whole goal

for some...

I'm no lover of capitalism

but, until the rainbow parade offers an alternative beyond violent revenge and retribution...

(and fetishing of and footwashig for the 'victors')

I'll stick with what we've got thanks

there is a better way...

the rainbow parade are just too dumb to offer any viable alternatives

We don't live under capitalism and neoliberalism because everyone just woke up and decided it's the best system to live under.

Why did you choose the words "rainbow parade"? What are you trying to say?

@ philosurphizing… Gabor Mate, yes… thank you ;)

Always important to listen to and respect the opinions of jewish commentators brave enough and willing to challenge the status quo and narrative bullshit…

Unfortunately israelis, especially zionists, regard them as traitors and try discredit and censor their valuable and honest opinions. They deserve to be heard…
- they are freedom fighters of the highest order ;)

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https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/25/israeli-occup...

"great example of how metaphor is fine, literal is gross, sypkan"

yep

but, it litierally became literal...

White protesters wash the feet of black protest organizers and beg for forgiveness in Cary, North Carolina. pic.twitter.com/SbZFZjbOLq

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) June 7, 2020

@Jelly Flater.
Great post above.
Keep schooling these paranoid straw clutching idiots.
You do great stuff in these forums.

dandandan wrote:

sypkan wrote:

"Overall it's a great ideology to tear things down"

and therein lies the whole goal

for some...

I'm no lover of capitalism

but, until the rainbow parade offers an alternative beyond violent revenge and retribution...

(and fetishing of and footwashig for the 'victors')

I'll stick with what we've got thanks

there is a better way...

the rainbow parade are just too dumb to offer any viable alternatives

We don't live under capitalism and neoliberalism because everyone just woke up and decided it's the best system to live under.

Why did you choose the words "rainbow parade"? What are you trying to say?

because its the ip obsessed 'anti-fascist' fascists that are trying to tear the whole thing down

you know, the white guilt riddled, quite often offspring of the wealthy, or just well to do generally... 'allies' that see everything through the lens of 'the oppressors' and 'the oppressed' (see above) that are the most active, noisy, and heard...

the fact they are 'privelaged' enough to enjoy the spoils of the system that they so vehemently hate seems lost on them

which is probaably why class struggle is no longer a thing...

did someone mention mention irony?

so so much irony!

Jelly Flater wrote:

Haha ;)

The bloke trying to call out irony…

‘To keep it permanent one needs permanent enemies. As evidenced on many occasions, this usually results in human tragedy.’

- forgotten bout that military industrial complex ;);)

The ‘war’ against communism…(vietnam, korea, cold war russia etc)… the war against terror/islam… (iraq, afghanistan, syria)… the war against chinaaaaaa… (covid - recall the ‘we are in this together fighting an unseen enemy’ spiel)…the war against russia…(ukraine)… and full circle back to commies and terror and viruses etc…
- permanent enemy threats ;);)

The idf (israeli attack force) has dropped over 6000 ‘precision’ bombs in nearly a fortnight at a cost of $25000 per unit …
- so, that’s around $150 million worth of weaponry just there.
Pretty good numbers, if that’s what ‘protecting national interests’ entails ;)

The US is making coin. Lots of it. And it requires more conflict and escalation in order to keep the money ball rolling. It’s a fact. It’s undeniable ;)

Who made the coin out of covid ?… american interests… who made (and still makes) money out of ukraine ? american interests. Who benefited most from the illegal invasion of iraq etc… ?
…Get the picture ;)

So then the big picture inevitably leads to… who makes money out of israel ? ;);)

- as it requires and produces permanent enemies, and actions resulting in human tragedy…

Wow ;) who would’ve thought the US and the west not only behaves in a way similar to marxism, but also consciously and unconsciously creates, trains, and facilitates ‘marxist’ enemies ;)

After all, the west is being oppressed by the threat of communism and marxist ideology and islamic terror and ummm… colonial invasion, genocide and occupation (oops that’s our team shhh)…

Who provided arms and training to osama to fight the russians back in the day (and how’d that turn out)…who provided weaponry to iraq and also iran so they could fuck each other up in the 80’s. Who bankrolled and trained and weaponised islamic terrorist fighers to challenge perceived political threats in the middle east and revolutionary militias in south america etc… the list is fucking endless.

Who develops and manufactures and sells the most advanced and sophisticated ordinance and weaponry in the world ? Is this a burgeoning industry that continues to grow and feed human tragedy world wide ? Is it a monumental cash cow that is not only essential for the sustenance and facilitation of american interests, but also one of the main reasons we are in a supposed ‘climate crisis’… ;);)

How has military intervention in iraq, afghanistan, syria, ukraine, gaza/west bank contributed to stability, growth, liberty, freedom, unity or….. peace ?
- and what has all this done to the environment ?
… it has decimated lands and people, geez where’d all these refugees come from! They can’t come here !! ;);)
Stop the boats ! ;)

So… when ‘it appears it was done by the other team’… try understand the international rules based order makes up rules, breaks them, gets upset and condemns others who do so - yet we create the teams, manipulate the field, appoint the referee, insist on playing by the rules… and then break them again …

Because the ‘rule of law’ is only applicable to some. And you can’t question it ;)
Otherwise… pls explain why even though Israel’s occupation has been acknowledged by the international high court as being exactly that - an occupation - it’s not ;)
And just coz the UN says israeli settlements are illegal and should cease immediately - it’s not and they can just do whatever the fark they want.

So when the media and international governments and law makers say israel has the right to defend itself under international law - it can ….
- but it doesn’t.
It’s proven.

‘To keep it permanent one needs permant enemies. As evidenced on many occasions, this usually results in human tragedy’.

- correct ;)
Oh… the irony.
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Always two sides to a story. Thanks for pointing the obvious out !! You did however forget the war on drugs, or is that a war, or maybe it isn't.

Aah yes garyg1412…

I was gonna mention that.
- another war yes, another one that can’t be ‘won’…

And another one where the playing field and the players are manipulated.
Those ‘illegal’ drugs are the enemy !

In the meantime, here… take some of these official opioids ;)
- no human tragedy, nothing suss… just… ummm…
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Back to problem solving ;)

- 4.20 mins in…

“It can be smashed effectively, only by taking the profit out of war. The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labour before the nation’s manhood can be conscripted.”

“Let the officers and the directors and the high powered executives of our armament factories and our steel companies and our munitions makers and our ship builders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all things that provide profit in wartime, as well as the bankers and speculators, be conscripted to get $30 a month - the same wage as the lads in the trenches get.”

Dammmmn ;)

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Jelly what are you on about? I was mentioning the irony with one media outlet accusing others of propaganda while also engaging in propaganda. At the end of the day, they’re both guilty.

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Exactly.
- at the end of the day, they’re both guilty ;)

That is why the west needs to pull back on blaming ‘the other team’ ;);)
We’re as guilty as anyone we blame…

- especially if we try and lay blame on others as an excuse to carry out retaliatory strikes.

Even when or if ‘it appears it was done by the other team’ for example, we’re engaging in trying to sell appearances… Get it ;)
- when something ‘appears’ to be a certain way it’s all the ‘evidence’ needed to legitimise further escalation. It is a false equivalence formulated and required to feed the beast.

We have to be accountable for that.

- if you don’t agree with or dispute the facts in the other side’s apparent propaganda then that’s ok.

My point repeatedly is no sides, no winners, no war.

The author is a white british dude, I’m unsure of his political or religious leanings, but pretty sure he’s previously been silenced/ cancelled or lost work as a result of being branded an anti zionist. He lost his job at bristol university and gained some notoriety for exposing how zionist ideology was indoctrinating children at schools…

- zionist ideology is based on falsehood. It should be challenged…

Was there any truth in what he wrote or was it just propaganda ? ;);)

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The lesser of 2 evils is still evil...............
Or something like that.
What a tragic situation, no winners here, just losers except as pointed out by JF the arms manufacturers.

I wonder how many Australians have shares in arms manufacturing companies.
Maybe it's time to OUT these greedy unethical cretins.

Wonder if Australian super funds invest. I know you can opt for ethical investing but how many do? I don’t. Never looked?

Just checked my bank, Summerland credit union.
We do not lend to or invest in businesses that manufacture or sell weapons as their primary business, including guns and military weapon technology.

Yep probably time to check. We’ll done.
On another note edit…. Oops Wrong thread

adam12 wrote:

@Jelly Flater.
Keep schooling these paranoid straw clutching idiots..

Six million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust

Albo needs to grow a set and tell both sides ok to protest peacefully, but if you cross the line of (Australian) decency your out, deported back to either Palestine or Israel. Just like the Indos do no questions asked your out and maybe so are your families too. We dont want your shit here, we got enough of our own problems.

sypkan wrote:

and, speaking of how the fuck is this man the leader of anything?

don't worry... joe's on the case...

https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1714777776379609164

my gaaawwwd, the democrats have a lot to answer for...

Ha ha that was a classic, its almost like its satire.

I cant criticise him on how he has handled all this though, his public announcement was worded perfectly and full respect for him to go to Israel in person and even what he has said while over there has been the right thing to say in regard to aid etc

I think Israel have waited for him to get out there before they go in from the ground too, which i think has been good, its slowed things down a little so not so rash, give some time to calm down get a bit more rational and given more time to take out more targets with air strikes. plus ensured heaps of time for civilian's to move south.

Going in by ground is iust scary as hell though, its what Hamas want and have prepared for years for Hamas have a huge advantage on the ground, hopefully Israel have weakened them and have intel on important tunnels etc

Haha, I like that idea @amb ;)

- oh bonza, don’t be a knucklehead…

The palestinians didn’t do that to them, and the rest of the world doesn’t have to sit back and let israel try dish out that style of genocide on others.

Death to justify death ?
We don’t need to pretend to understand a persecution complex that tries to justify occupation and military conquest ;)
- time for the colonial mindset and revenge ideals to fark right off ;)

Take a peek at what Norman Finkelstein says in the previous vids…
- a jew whose family members were incarcerated in the holocaust.

They survived, though, and obviously taught him how to be a good and gracious human being ;)

The host, also jewish :
- ‘I can’t believe how many people are weaponising the holocaust to justify their position on what’s happening in gaza.’

Context.
Understanding.
Peace.

Okay its Fox but how often to get to hear the views from the son of a Hamas leader.

;)

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Jelly Flater wrote:

Haha, I like that idea @amb ;)

- oh bonza, don’t be a knucklehead…

The palestinians didn’t do that to them, and the rest of the world doesn’t have to sit back and let israel try dish out that style of genocide on others.

Death to justify death ?
We don’t need to pretend to understand a persecution complex that tries to justify occupation and military conquest ;)
- time for the colonial mindset and revenge ideals to fark right off ;)

Take a peek at what Norman Finkelstein says in the previous vids…
- a jew whose family members were incarcerated in the holocaust.

They survived, though, and obviously taught him how to be a good and gracious human being ;)

The host, also jewish :
- ‘I can’t believe how many people are weaponising the holocaust to justify their position on what’s happening in gaza.’

Context.
Understanding.
Peace.

Jews have good reason to be "paranoid" Jelly. Interesting my comment is "weaponizing" the holocaust yet actual murder and rape is excused or given "context".

Murder or rape is not excused and at no point have I expressed that as a reasoning for anything in any context.

Pls don’t interpret things inaccurately and assume something that is dead wrong and inappropriate.
Consider the vid from yesterday with another jewish fella whose parents were murdered by hamas...
- you may learn something ;)

And, as I’ve had to confirm already regarding my position...
No sides, no winners, no war.

right back you "knucklehead". Careful with "your" interpterion

peace jelly.

Good analysis of evidence by a Military & history channel.

Hey jelly, is the cup half full or half empty?

“It’s made of jelly”

indo-dreaming wrote:

Good analysis of evidence by a Military & history channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYVr0lE4S9o

A swellnet military genius once said.

It's very clear the Israel bombed the hospital.

Aaahhh yaahhhh…
Z german army politician guy got z facts, nussing is about z story…
- like z story of z german laws which prohibit z talk of bad against izrael.

Vee must all unite in cenzorship and narrative control…
Wiv z actual evidenze of stuff like z hollywood, including pictures and videoz and stuff… all legit, all real…

- like zat time vee murdered z lotz of jewz and now vee are part of a coalition making sure zis never happen again (unless vee have special friendz wif big bombz) and so zis is a reputable source as zee germanz are proud and don’t buy z russian gas no more.

My special hat and gun on z wall is fantaztic, and everysing I say iz fact coz I voz at z expwosion…
Did I mention vee imprizon z people in our country coz vee sold out and are US bitch now (like oztralia) but in zis country if any vun say anyzing bad about z izrael you go wif z gestapo for free veiner.

Vee have made such good amendz from our last reich wiv z little moztache guy zat now vee are z good and truztworthy germanz and like wiv our rich heritage of warfare….. ummm… are playing for z uzzer team now.
- vee have a new captain, and zay tell us vot to do…

Yaaah ;)

loving the free-form Jelly, like tbb on speed.

Danke ;)

Roadkill wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Good analysis of evidence by a Military & history channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYVr0lE4S9o

A swellnet military genius once said.

It's very clear the Israel bombed the hospital.

Its no surprise something like 30% of the rockets dont even make it out of Gazza misfiring or falling short, which is no surprise as they are mostly homemade rockets.

The only thing that seemed odd at first was the explosion but a rocket with shrapnel among a whole heap of cars(fuel) explains the fire ball.

are you writing 'Gazza' now to be obtuse @indo? Gazza Turnball is starting to sound like and edgy comic..

U go id, go rocket man
- and gazza is awright ay, he’s awright

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Gonna sound like a broken record here, but great post earlier today @jellyflater. Youre on fire son!
Yep the great military industrial complex has been niggling away in the back of my mind throughout all of this and you just succinctly reminded me why.

Well…
Since gumboot has taken up a gumboot info crusade ;)
- he won’t want to miss his favourite news source…

Lots of US factories doin overtime pumping out the orders thick and fast, boom times… the middle east, then to ukraine… then back to the middle east… not too much sugar or fertiliser needed, but still…

It’s a feast ;)

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Anyone remember this bloke who was labelled a terrorist as well once upon a time. Quite a well educated terrorist mind you. Especially his thoughts on the Israel/Palestine problem.

"Time to Throw the Intersectional Left Under the Bus!

The appalling terrorist attack by the appalling terrorist group Hamas, which slaughtered more than 1300 Israelis, 87 percent of whom were civilians, is the largest single day killing of Jews since the Holocaust. The response of America’s intersectional left has also been appalling. As Sohrab Ahmari accurately noted in a Compact magazine article titled “Woke Is Dying”:

Many of those who spent the last few years promoting #Defund, “intersectionality,” and similar concepts refused to condemn Hamas’s butchery—that is, when they didn’t celebrate it. The Chicago chapter of Black Lives Matter tweeted, “I Stand With Palestine,” along with a picture of a paraglider, an allusion to how Hamas terrorists descended upon an outdoor party, murdering some 260 ravers. Yale American Studies professor Zareena Grewal declared: “Settlers are not civilians. This is not hard.” The New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America promoted a Times Square rally at which murderers were hailed as liberators.

What is wrong with these people?

In my opinion, the rot goes very deep. This is not a one-off. Over the last number of years, huge swathes of the American left have become infected with an ideology that judges actions or arguments not by their content but rather by the identity of those involved in said actions or arguments. Those identities in turn are defined by an intersectional web of oppressed and oppressors..."

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/time-to-throw-the-intersectional

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great post gazza1412.. mhairi black put it similarly for the scottish nationals

“You can advocate for human dignity for Palestinians without masturbatorially and wrongfully accusing Jews of Nazism”

https://medium.com/the-judean-peoples-front/why-genocide-ethnic-cleansin...

What less accusatory descriptors would you use Bonza?