The Israel Palestine problem solving thread
3:00 minutes onwards another break down of hospital strike site from a Combat veteran reaction channel (react to all conflicts around the globe)
His thoughts are exactly the same as the other video, all evidence of impact site shows it was a basic small low impact rocket, like ones made ones built by Hamas.
However, the Doppler Effect that we hear indicates that the missile was closer to the camera before hitting the hospital. This would mean that the missile approached the hospital from north-east, east or south-east. #AlAhli #IDF 5/7 pic.twitter.com/4IhU4GQhB4
— earshot.ngo (@earshot_ngo) October 20, 2023
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- z claw mazturbation is good for z removal of z forezkin, but in z land of z german iz forbidden to zay zo… yaah ;)
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From the dawn of time humans have had to protect themselves .
When protecting yourself from other humans , you need to have better weapons .
If you have better weapons , great U win .
So we make weapons .
Companies make them . They ( so also countries ) are in a "Weapons Race " .
A company invests a lot of money and time to do this .
It is hard to turn OFF and ON .
Apparently North Korea has the biggest stockpile of weapons .
They don't have Politicians who get told ( bribed ) by the Weapon making companies that they HAVE to use them .
ESG investing .
It is an Oxymoron .
Firstly , it does make money . That's why the E and S never lasted long .
Someone added G , and everyone ( has to ) like good G .
Still doesn't make money and Fund Managers are working out clever ways to "LOOK " like they are playing the ESG game .
Secondly , it is not that easy .
Eg . I don't like gambling , so might think to buy Woolies , as shop there .
They own a Pokkies business .
Two things are now 100% certain at this point.
1. It was a small rocket with very little impact.
2. Its impossible for such an impact to kill 500 people, even if for some crazy reason there was 500 people packed in the small area which in itself is physically impossible and even if possible other humans would physically protect others from the blast.
So from there on in to think it was Israel you would have to buy into some conspiracy theory that Israel had some small impact guided missle that for some reason they wanted to hit the carpark of a hospital with which makes zero sense.
I dont know how you could even come up with some conspiracy theory to explain 500 deaths?
Maybe that there is this new secret super high tech missle where just before impact this rocket also released hundred of tiny little explosive drones that then went out searching for people to kill.
Or the logical conclusion a crappy home made Hamas rocket misfired didn't make it Israel like about 20%-30% of these rockets dont, and landed in a hospital carpark at best killing a few people/bodies seen in media report from Gaza..
Ven sumzing iz no make zense and nuzzing adding up and z bwain like z zwiss cheeze…
U can go inzpector and juzt imagine ztuff and believe z hazbara for z fun even. Zumtimes when u look for z unicorn and chaze z rainbow u find z evidenze ;)
Z conzpiracy iz vunderful ven u deny z unicorn but it iz real, it is coz zay are z animalz. Here… I haz z evidenze and z expwanation iz infallible… vun hundred percent zertain… factz… yaah ;)
Jelly
I have a Sydney mate who is French .
( Father of musician Lili Alaska )
He has been here for 15 years .
He is on some spectrum ( a few if U ask me ) .
He thinks I am 2 .
I find it really hard to understand him sometimes .
Often have to ask him to repeat himself , and more slowly .
My mind is often Jelly and I am very busy .
May I ask U to keep the German accent to a minimum :)
Well ID, 500 deaths was the telly after 15 mins…Hamas BS.
I doubt there was any high casualty number, if there was Hamas would have the bodies spread out and photos taken to garner sympathy and fuel outrage.
There is zero chance it was an IDF rocket and this has been basically proven by numerous people and/or orgs that don’t have any bias.
Only fools are still pushing it as an IDF cause.
Yeah the numbers look very greatly exaggerated looking at the damage. So seems to have been internal.
Hmmm
How bout those babies heads ...
Seems that greatly exaggerated stories are the playbook.
- when looking at the numbers ;)
These home made rockets? Plus their other weapons. With Gaza closed in on all sides how does Hamas get them in or the supplies to manufacture them. Anybody have any idea? Via Egypt?
Jelly Flater wrote:Hmmm
How bout those babies heads ...
Seems that greatly exaggerated stories are the playbook.
- when looking at the numbers ;)
So your issue is with the description of how babies died? Rather than that babies were murdered?
Murder and torture is ok as long as the description of how babies were murdered is accurate?
Gotcha, Jelly :) yep, that is a 100% valid comparison.
found this last night, things ratchet up like in Red October
JUST IN: Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered fighter jets with hypersonic missiles to patrol the Black Sea in response to the chaos in the Middle East.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) October 18, 2023
Putin reportedly ordered MiG-31 aircraft armed with Kinzhal missiles.
The Kinzhal missiles have a range of "more than… pic.twitter.com/1HNgdCCeZt
Haha toad dill ;)
There is no issue and murder and torture is not ok...
- unsure how your petty outrage invents some of this stuff ;)
Maybe use your executive dill powers and try put up another grotesque shock factor vid u absolute farkn toolbag...
- that was a genius move ;)
Take your insane assumptions and imaginary conclusions to the cafe with ya mummy...
- in the meantime... those babies heads are being stored in a safe and secure location with the wmd stockpile ;)
& by the way, yours and id’s hit single was a banger...
- at least when you guys embrace your alter egos of sean and marley, we can actually understand what you are saying with the 100% valid gibberish theories u keep trying to present as undisputed facts ;)
- keep trying to convince yourself of whatever u need in order to be... a dill.
Your official narrative of the official narrative is... ummm... official ;)
Oh yeah ;);)
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Jelly Flater wrote:Haha toad dill ;)
There is no issue and murder and torture is not ok...
- unsure how your petty outrage invents some of this stuff ;)Maybe use your executive dill powers and try put up another grotesque shock factor vid u absolute farkn toolbag...
- that was a genius move ;)Take your insane assumptions and imaginary conclusions to the cafe with ya mummy...
- in the meantime... those babies heads are being stored in a safe and secure location with the wmd stockpile ;)& by the way, yours and id’s hit single was a banger...
- at least when you guys embrace your alter egos of sean and marley, we can actually understand what you are saying with the 100% valid gibberish theories u keep trying to present as undisputed facts ;)- keep trying to convince yourself of whatever u need in order to be... a dill.
Your official narrative of the official narrative is... ummm... official ;)Oh yeah ;);)
I zink zou need more Zs in your cleverz postz.
Zou vewy funny youz are.
Ps…it wasn’t an assumption. You made the post to compare.
At least own it.
You can try put words in my mouth to suit your idiocy if u like ;)
- the comparison is to the lack of irrefutable proof numbnuts.
- as if you actually know anything about what really occurred anywhere, and just coz you are excited by a particular version of events, hearsay and speculation won’t make any of your claims valid, true… nor legitimate or accurate…
There is no endorsement of murder or torture, and no issue with any description of anything.
You’re scratching at nothing dill boy ;)
- and, again, either bored or wilfully ignorant…
But yeah, you can own your official dill narrative all u want ;)
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Jelly Flater wrote:You can try put words in my mouth to suit your idiocy if u like ;)
- the comparison is to the lack of irrefutable proof numbnuts.
- as if you actually know anything about what really occurred anywhere, and just coz you are excited by a particular version of events, hearsay and speculation won’t make any of your claims valid, true… nor legitimate or accurate…There is no endorsement of murder or torture, and no issue with any description of anything.
You’re scratching at nothing dill boy ;)
- and, again, either bored or wilfully ignorant…But yeah, you can own your official dill narrative all u want ;)
Keep walking it back, Jelly.
You know how I am right…when you think you know you are right, your posts are full of BS and bluster and keyboard warrior guy talk whilst name calling and an amateur attempt at put downs.
And now, you post with an explanation that is trying to justify and rationalise what you said.
Not looking so clever now smart guy.
Please post yet another irrelevant boring youtube, Jelly. It’s what you do best.
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Haha dill ;)
No. I’m explaining it to you because you take your dill assumptions as fact, make unsubstantiated inferences and accusations and pretend someone actually gives a shit ;)
‘when you think you know you are right, your posts are full of BS and bluster and keyboard warrior guy talk whilst name calling and an amateur attempt at put downs.’
- ^^ at least you can own how you operate on here ;)
Thing is, you can’t justify or rationalise anything you say...
- it’s all dribble ;)
Posting your fucked up vid yesterday proved this without a doubt.
- not very clever ay ;)
Aaah bonza ;)
- u a fan of hugo boss, the 1934 collection onwards...
https://themadameblue.com/blog/karl-diebitsch-and-hugo-boss-the-unknown-...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15008682
Oh... and how’d z nazis get assistance bfore z teams changed again ;)
- war is a racket ;);)
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/americans-who-funded-hitler-nazis-german-...
So when is Israel entering Gaza for the ground invasion? Thats going to be some heavy heavy times when it happens
‘Are we the baddies ?’ ;);)
“The total amount of foreign investment in German industry from 1924-1929 amounted to nearly 63 billion gold marks (the loans accounted for 30 billion of this), and 10 billion in reparations was paid off. American bankers – primarily J.P. Morgan, provided Seventy percent of Germany’s financial income. As a result, as early as 1929, Germany’s industry was second in the world, but to a large extent it was in the hands of America’s leading financial-industrial groups.
Thus, I.G. Farben, the company that became the German war machine’s key component, was under the control of Rockefeller’s Standard Oil at the time it funded 45 percent of Hitler’s election campaign in 1930. Through General Electric, J.P. Morgan controlled the German radio and electrical industry in the form of AEG and Siemens (by 1933, General Electric owned a 30 percent stake in AEG). Through telecom company ITT, he controlled 40 percent of Germany’s telephone network and 30 percent of aircraft manufacturer Focke-Wulf. Opel was taken over by the Dupont family’s General Motors. Henry Ford held a 100 percent stake in Volkswagen. In 1926, with the participation of Rockefeller bank, Dillon Reed and Co., the second largest industrial monopoly emerged – metallurgical firm Vereinigte Stahlwerke (Unified Steel Trusts) of Thyssen, Flick, Wolf, Fegler, etc.
American cooperation with Germany’s military-industrial complex became so intense and pervasive that, by 1933, American capital had reached key sectors of German industry and even major banks like Deutsche Bank, Dresdner Bank, Donat Bank, etc.
Comment: Germany presented an incredible investment opportunity. A well-educated, motivated population in a key geographic location available for pennies on the dollar. Perhaps some investors were not concerned about other agendas.
Simultaneously, a political force was being financed that would be called upon to play a crucial role in the Anglo-American plans – the Nazi party and Adolf Hitler himself.
German Chancellor Brüning wrote in his memoirs that beginning in 1923, Hitler received large sums of money from abroad – from where exactly is unknown, but it passed through Swiss and Swedish banks. It is also known that in 1922, Hitler met with U.S. Military Attaché Capt. Truman Smith in Munich – a meeting Smith recounted in a detailed report to his Washington superiors (in the Office of Military Intelligence), saying he thought highly of Hitler.
It was through Smith’s circle of acquaintances that Hitler came into contact with “Putzi” (Ernst Franz Sedgwick Hanfstaengl), a Harvard University graduate who played an important role shaping Hitler into a successful politician, giving him substantial financial support and connections among senior British figures.”
Oooooooooops ;)
“Hitler was preparing himself for big-time politics, but, as long as prosperity reigned in Germany, his party remained on the periphery of public life. This situation changed dramatically with the onset of the crisis.
After the U.S. Federal Reserve engineered the collapse of the stock market in the autumn of 1929, the third phase of the Anglo-American strategy began.
The Fed and J.P. Morgan decided to cease lending to Germany, spurring a banking crisis and economic depression in Central Europe. In September 1931, England abandoned the gold standard, deliberately destroying the international payment system and completely cutting off the financial oxygen of the Weimar Republic.
But, the Nazi Party experienced a miraculous boom: in September 1930, thanks to large donations from Thyssen, I.G. Farben, and Kirdorf, the party collected 6.4 million votes – putting it in second place in the Reichstag. Shortly thereafter appeared a generous infusion of funds from abroad. Hjalmar Schacht became the key link between the major German industrialists and the foreign financiers.
On January 4, 1932, at a meeting between Adolf Hitler, German Chancellor Franz von Papen and Montague Norman, a secret agreement was reached securing funding for the Nazi Party. The American politician, Dulles, was also present at this meeting – something his biographers don’t like to mention. On January 14, 1933, Hitler held a meeting with Kurt von Schroeder, a Nazi-sympathizing banker, von Papen and Kepler, where the Hitler’s program was fully approved. It was here that the final path for the Nazis’ rise to power was laid, and on January 30, Hitler became chancellor.
Then began the fourth stage of the strategy.
The relationship between the new government and the Anglo-American ruling circles became extremely benevolent. When Hitler refused continued payment of reparations, which naturally raised questions about the payment of war debts, neither Britain nor France forced him to pay up. Moreover, after Reichsbank head Hjalmar Schacht traveled to the U.S. in May 1933 to meet with the president and major Wall Street bankers, America provided Germany with new loans totaling $1 billion. And in June, during a visit to Norman in London, Schacht requested an addition $2 billion in loans as well as a reduction and eventual cessation of payment on old loans. Thus, the Nazis got something that the previous government could not.
In the summer of 1934, Britain signed the Anglo-German Transfer Agreement, which became one of the foundations of British policy towards the Third Reich, and by the end of the 1930’s, Germany developed into Britain’s primary trading partner. Schroeder’s bank turned into Germany’s and Great Britain’s main agent, and in 1936, its New York branch merged with a Rockefeller holding to create the investment bank “Schroeder, Rockefeller and Co.”, which the New York Times described as “economic-propagandist axis of Berlin-Rome”. As he admitted himself, Hitler viewed foreign credit as the financial basis of his four-year plan, so this didn’t raise the slightest alarm.
In August 1934, American oil giant Standard Oil purchased 730,000 acres of land in Germany and built large oil refineries that supplied the Nazis with oil. At the same time, the United States secretly provided Germany with the most modern equipment for airplane factories, which would soon produce German aircraft. Germany received a large number of patents from American firms Pratt and Whitney, Douglas, and the Bendix Corporation, and the “Junker-87” dive-bomber was built using purely American technology. By 1941, when the second world war was in full-swing, American investment in the German economy totaled $475 million, Standard Oil invested $120 million alone, General Motors — $35 million, ITT — $30 million, and Ford — $17.5 million.
The intimate financial and economic collusion between Anglo-American and Nazi businessman was the backdrop against which the policy of appeasement to the aggressor took place – leading directly to World War II.”
Oh no! ...impozzible!... grab z veiner and run ;)
Vee are z goodies yaah ;);)
burleigh wrote:So when is Israel entering Gaza for the ground invasion? Thats going to be some heavy heavy times when it happens
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-21-2023/#liveblog-entry-3...
US EU officials trying to delay, also saw a tweet of tanks being staged at northern border (can't find). Who knows?
No kinzhal missile comments? Ukraine claims to have shot down a few, reputation is they are the invincible carrier killer ballistic hypersonic missiles.
Whataboutism everywhere.
Got a YouTube vid for us on holocaust denial jelly? American jews behind it?
Theres a few channels like this you can get updates on whats has happened daily and likely to happen.
The last third of the latest video from 5:00 onwards deals with ground invasion and even shows a satelite pic of tanks etc all ready to go.
Haha, nice try bonza ;)
- no denial of that from me, not sure why you’d try that angle…
It happened, we know that.
But, yeah keep up your imaginary accusations etc.
- and keep mentioning the holocaust all you want…
Doesn’t justify or have any correlation with this conflict.
Nazism is a term that the israelis have used for their current ‘enemy’…
Maybe the mechanism for war in economic potential is similar ;)
- wouldn’t want a little american investment and protection of national interests to get in the way of some more genocide ay…
Coz you’re a goodie… and the US and it’s allies are the goodies ;);)
- at least that’s what history tries to say…
Yet… things aren’t always as they ‘appear’ ;)
$$$
Jelly
I could be missing something but not sure of your point .
Your view re the FED , deliberately caused the 29 crash is wrong , imo .
Any country that get's flattened due to war , usually is rebuilt .
Germany needed Oil to live and phones to chat .
Fundamental building foundations that require huge investment .
Countries that have been beaten in war are broke .
If you are broke U get screwed by lenders , it is a rule of finance .
Gaza may not be rebuilt .
Who would fund that ?
Ukraine will be .
Blackrock ( I don't like them ) is already laying the ground work for the Head Lender ..
These fundaments have been playing out long before America was even found .
There you go using the word genocide again. You’re doing it wrong.
Cars had a hand in causing the crash - think Car Crash .
Ford's invention was so cool that money flowed into the US from all over the world .
Hundreds ( possible exaggeration ) of Car companies sprang up as a result .
Oh bonza…
- give it a rest, your ignorance is clouding everything ;)
Genocide - ‘the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group’.
- applicable to hamas and the idf in equal measure.
If you are missing this bit, you’re choosing to ignore the facts… you are trying to join a team and lay blame etc.
- a definition of something (or denial of) to simply align with your bias ;)
& pop, yes u are missing something…
- same as bonza etc
War is a racket ;)
The US at the wheel ;)
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Genocide .,,,
- applicable to hamas and the idf in equal measure.
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Wow. Thats some next level false equivalency.
But it’s good to hear you state so clearly your accusations of genocide against Israel.
Curious jelly Are you able to engage in discussion without immediately defaulting to name calling when you disagree with some one?
Hey, it’s all good, don’t take it to heart knucklehead ;)
Everything is in the attempted genocide bracket just for now…
- and interesting that you mentioned false equivalency
ummm… holocaust anyone ?
Also, nice to hear you are able to engage in discussion without immediately defaulting to assuming you are right ;)
War is a racket…
Try pretend to prove that one wrong ;)
Peace.
Righto jelly.
Jelly Flater wrote:Haha dill ;)
No. I’m explaining it to you because you take your dill assumptions as fact, make unsubstantiated inferences and accusations and pretend someone actually gives a shit ;)
‘when you think you know you are right, your posts are full of BS and bluster and keyboard warrior guy talk whilst name calling and an amateur attempt at put downs.’
- ^^ at least you can own how you operate on here ;)
Thing is, you can’t justify or rationalise anything you say...
- it’s all dribble ;)Posting your fucked up vid yesterday proved this without a doubt.
- not very clever ay ;)
Righto, Jelly.
Righto jelly.
Look out Jelly. There’s something blowing in the wind. Hahaha
Burliegh
That’s only a zephyr.
too little... too late...
the damage is already done
the hornet's nest kicked
half the world has already made up their minds... and will not change...
The word you're looking for is: SORRY. https://t.co/ms7YkJrNHG
— Avi Yemini (@OzraeliAvi) October 21, 2023
Geez wife beater is on the pulse. Send him some money so he can be late for the next question mark in this mess.
Oh shiiiiiiiit ;)
- better take cover, ambush of the nutless wonders ;);)
We got knucklehead, toad dill, the gumboot aaand angry fairy burlz...
- may as well lump the great socialist conspiracy operative in as well ;)
And we got 5 neat guys ;);)
- and none can disprove or have the nuts to admit that war is a racket...
Coz it’s more constructive to get emotionally invested in something and hang out for the next war update, and be proud to pretend you are a voice of reason, yet... all the while being a supporter of... well... war.
Tell me pls... how will escalating anything bring a result ? Go on, who can actually claim that a ground invasion won’t turn this all into a much bigger and protracted shit fight with no end in sight and the capacity to further inflame tensions and stoke wider conflict ?
I’ve only expressed anti war and anti escalation viewpoints and that is apparently interpreted and translated as supporting terrorists...
What a bunch of cowardly, pathetic and misguided warmongers you are, representative of everything it means to be brainwashed ;)
America (just like the previous post about nazi material support) has convinced the world once again they are working in the interests of freedom and democracy... Meanwhile, another set of circumstances have been put in place, of their own design, that means conflict is assured and somebody else will do the fighting for them... again $$$ ;)
If you 5 neat guys are proud to condemn the actions of hamas and yet cheer on the israeli attack force as they continue to blast ppl into pieces and bury them under their own houses then go for it !
- gumboot’s recommendation to watch the ‘war update’ vid and check out the tanks etc... along with dill’s atrocious effort with the vid yesterday shows you’re a bunch of sadistic, lonely, desperate farkn pretenders who support the possibility of ongoing death and destruction... and enjoy it.
No sides, no winners, no war.
Is war a racket ... yes or no ? ;)
...sing it ;);)
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Of course war is a racket.
And a ground invasion is not the best course of action.
Israel is not targeting civilians.
Terrorists / Hamas needs to be destroyed and Israel has to continue targeting Hamas to get rid of them and also as a warning to other nutcase terrorist groups watching…and thinking, if Israel does nothing it is an opportunity for us to also wage our holy war.
Righto Jelly….you really prove daily you don’t understand the wider macro environment.
first aid trucks now finally entering southern gaza
Great video on the tunnels, this aspect to me is so scary those fuckers are said to have hundreds of kilometres of tunnels, they would known them back to front and be able to appear and disappear and pop up anywhere they want taking Israel soldiers by surprise, they probably have tunnels purposely built just to lure troops in then trap them obviously booby trapped too, hamas would have been planning for this moment for years.
Israel loose any advantage they have in equipment wise, while Hamas gain a huge advantage, it's hard to understand how they can get rid of Hamas from these tunnels.
In a sense going in on the ground is exactly what Hamas want its almost like a trap, but one Israel dont have a choice in entering , scary stuff.
Not as interesting for me but pretty in depth video on Israel's tanks they are using.
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