The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

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ok ok i'll stop. sorry. channelling jelly. got me all excited and competitive. as you were..

Yes
As I’ve stated a few times they are controlled oppressed by both. But that’s just hasbara you’re posting. Israeli gold nuggets. While the bulldozers continue.
I hope I’m wrong but I think Israel sees this as a chance to rid Israel of the last Palestinian controlled area in Israel. Gaza be like the new west bank. Yo! Good time to be in the bulldozer business with all that rubble.

bonza wrote:

https://twitter.com/askdani__real/status/1722224627932619123?ref_src=tws...

But hang on…Israel is the bad bunch in the whole thing. :)

Misinterpreting still? Really!

seeds wrote:

Yes
As I’ve stated a few times they are controlled oppressed by both. But that’s just hasbara you’re posting. Israeli gold nuggets. While the bulldozers continue.
I hope I’m wrong but I think Israel sees this as a chance to rid Israel of the last Palestinian controlled area in Israel. Gaza be like the new west bank. Yo! Good time to be in the bulldozer business with all that rubble.

the very real abhorrent crimes of those Israeli "free settlers" relatively small in scale if you care to look into it... should be, hopefully has, and or will be, prosecuted under democratic western justice and its principles... is of no comparison to the jihadist ideology of hamas.

Small in scale? No not at all. It’s been happening for 75 years. It won’t be prosecuted. It’s supported and bankrolled by the west.
to declare a new Jewish state in the middle of Arabs was a good idea? Let’s keep bankrolling are big stupid idea endlessly. Another own goal. Or is it $$$$ to be made

The Jewish people are the indigenous people of that land. Where would you see them live? As refugees under Hamas?

So all those European descent Jewish people are Indigenous?
The Arabic aren’t indigenous? The arabs helped expelled the ottomans with promises from the poms for their own state only to let Zionists from Europe in to the holy land. No problem until you declare a Jewish state after the holocaust. Wonder why it went pear shaped. Religion can exist anywhere. Politics and statehood needs some dirt to fight over.

Hmm sounds a little racisty seeds. Are all those brown white skin identified indigenous Australians truly indigenous with their European parentage?

Anyways where would you have the Israelis live seeds? Under Hamas?

Missing the point, firstly.
Secondly, I don’t care where they should live. Possibly the world, like most other religious people. And I don’t have any problem with within Israel.
Third. I voted yes!

You “don’t care where they should live”?

Thanks seeds. Point is crystal.

Missing the point and misquoting me.

Ok seeds. Night mate

Good night

Very Powerful.
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— Ayaan Hirsi Ali (@Ayaan) November 13, 2023

yo, big ups to Roadkill and Bonza, you holding it down on the truth. Mad respect from the land of the free, y'all!

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"I’m an expert in urban warfare. Israel is upholding the laws of war"

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-not-war-cr...

green room wrote:

yo, big ups to Roadkill and Bonza, you holding it down on the truth. Mad respect from the land of the free, y'all!

LMAO. the truth. none of us know the truth. The Dill just spews out what he sees on 6pm news. Always has, always will. But he adds a touch of his own bullshit for extra jazz.

Erdogan being a comedian.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-calls-israel-t...

frog wrote:

Putting complex history aside and the "what about the innocents in Gaza" to look at the here and now and make a simple point:

Calling for a ceasefire is an easy glib feel good statement to make from the sidelines (especially knowing they will not do it).

For Israel, to understand their perspective, October 7 meant a door has been kicked open in the likelihood, scope and scale of what Hamas and similar organisations might do into the future in terms of attacking outlying Israeli suburbs and settlements. They have done it once and now would see that as achieveable and the new normal for future attacks.

Whilst Hamas is still strong and functional, all but the central areas of Israel are totally unsafe to live in:
- secure rooms - useless
- walls, gates, fences - no protection
- patrols and guards - can do little
- a gun - not enough
- children - a target at play and at home
- daughter, wife, parents, yourself - targets
- sleep safely - no

Every night becomes "is this the night they might come back".

Imagine if all outlying suburbs of, say Perth, could be attacked at any time by terrorists.... End of life as you know it.

Negotiate? Sort of meaningless with the hardliners in Hamas.

Maybe those with influence can call for much better targeting, more restraint, Pauses, Better strategy for dealing with tunnels under hospitals, pull ambulances over to check and accept the risk and not blow them up etc, The death toll is way too high in their current approach.

Advocating for the possible is better than calling for a "never going to happen in the near term no matter who asks" ceasefire.

100% people forget that Israelis have always lived in fear of an attack and rocket attack always been a thing they just have had the safety of the iron dome and bomb shelters everywhere and a government that actually tries to protect its people, they would have always thought an attack like 7th Oct wasn't possible, but now they know it is and would be living in fear of it happening again while Hamas are still in government and strong and active.

A ceasefire would be so wrong, it would make all the deaths and destruction so far a waste, Israel need to get the job done properly destroy them and get them out of government.

And the Palestine people in Gaza also deserve a proper government, not one who blows all its money on tunnels and rockets and uses its people as human shield's while they hide in tunnels

seeds wrote:

Yes
As I’ve stated a few times they are controlled oppressed by both. But that’s just hasbara you’re posting. Israeli gold nuggets. While the bulldozers continue.
I hope I’m wrong but I think Israel sees this as a chance to rid Israel of the last Palestinian controlled area in Israel. Gaza be like the new west bank. Yo! Good time to be in the bulldozer business with all that rubble.

Um you do know that Gaza use to be controlled by Israel? (its was won in a war from previous owners Egypt)

There use to be Jewish settlements in Gaza, they actually gave it the Palestine in 2005 (i believe as a peace deal) and all Jews moved out, Israel even helped financially trying to help them get a leg up , thats why they provided water and electricity a deal for so many years.(that has continued)

But not long after being elected Hamas government then started firing rockets into Israel again, which then. meant Isreal had to blockade the border.

But yeah once Hamas is gone and a new government is put in, Israel will have to have some degree of control or access to Gaza to ensure its not attacked, doesn't mean they want settlement's in Gaza though.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas

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…then and now

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"A ceasefire would be so wrong, it would make all the deaths and destruction so far a waste, Israel need to get the job done properly..."
At first I thought this bloke was just callow and obtuse

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In an investigation for @Quillette, @buttonslives has found that high-profile Instagram accounts run by US organisations are using millions in charitable donations to promote Hamas-apologist material to Western youth https://t.co/G9wzqWflMc

— Claire Lehmann (@clairlemon) November 16, 2023

The Marxist framework of the extreme Left has "defined Jews as the oppressors and they have defined Palestinians as the victims." "Every bit of violence carried out by Hamas ... they said all of that is 100% the fault of Israel.” @tedcruz

Full interview with @tperkins on YouTube pic.twitter.com/bxjvSDSoj2

— Family Research Council (@FRCdc) November 17, 2023

The last 5 weeks have placed radical Left’s true colors on full display. https://t.co/rlJNJePKkh

— Heritage Foundation (@Heritage) November 16, 2023

“White Logic” and “Jew Physics” - Campus radicals have refreshed an ugly 1930s trope. https://t.co/VBlJZ6kLEl

— The Martin Center (@AcademicRenewal) November 16, 2023

The fight for the survival of Israel unites us all. pic.twitter.com/KpJmfQjS7y

— Speaker Mike Johnson (@SpeakerJohnson) November 16, 2023

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Jelly…. king of junk tube that nobody watches.

Haha ;)
- flopti… drama queen of fairytales and endless bullshit ;);)

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I leave the news to itself for a little while and Elon goes and ignites a small bonfire:

Elon Musk pushing unvarnished anti semitism at a time of rising antisemitism and violence against Jews pic.twitter.com/N5bSQxWsr9

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) November 15, 2023

san Guine wrote:

"A ceasefire would be so wrong, it would make all the deaths and destruction so far a waste, Israel need to get the job done properly..."
At first I thought this bloke was just callow and obtuse

I wrote this yesterday before I listened to a recent Joe rogan podcast with Mike Baker, former CIA covert field operations officer specialising in counterterrorism, counternarcotics and counterinsurgency operations and now CEO of security firm Veritas Global a global intelligence firm and he said pretty much the same thing.

So yeah you can diss and look down on me, but similar views are shared by people who are much more in the know than any of us here.

Worst thing that could happen is a long term ceasefire where Israel cant get Hamas out of power, and Hamas rebuild, and do it all again or even the Israel people live in fear of it happening again, and the Gaza people continue to suffer under Hamas and then all these deaths are a waste, nobody wants wars or death or destruction but if they happen, you ideally want a flip side and for there to be a change brought from that war.

While there is no guarantees of the future, the ideal situation is Hamas get taken out of power and a new government replaces them, one that actually cares about its people and less about waging Jihad.

Okay sure, you cant completely destroy groups like Hamas and there is no guarantee the next government wont be any better, but its doesn't mean you just accept thing as they are and keep kicking the can down the road.

Optimist wrote:

Jelly…. king of junk tube that nobody watches.

Better than the holy trinity of piffle you peddle optimist

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https://m.youtube.com/shorts/1UOJHeSZS_o

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^^ hasbara piffle ^^

green room wrote:

https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1725301663995666597

https://twitter.com/FRCdc/status/1725314055362240811

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725246359064981873

https://twitter.com/AcademicRenewal/status/1725206589559234677

https://twitter.com/SpeakerJohnson/status/1725212423362142281

There is two wars going on, one on the battle front and another information war online

It was talked about in that podcast, i mentioned above how some of it is undoubtably financed by Hamas or Iran you get the same deal with China and Russia on other issues.

It sounds almost conspiracy theory like, but its just the reality of the modern world, information and the online world is now a very powerful tool.

“ … While there is no guarantees of the future, the ideal situation is Hamas get taken out of power and a new government replaces them, one that actually cares about its people and less about waging Jihad.…”

I used to think (well maybe I still do) Howard was our worst PM and then came Abbott and then Morrison ….. just saying careful what you wish for

Or where have we heard all this malarky before?

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….. and then the vacuum left by the US allowed ISIS to develop and bloom ….. just saying simple solutions for complex problems never work

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Jelly Flater wrote:

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https://m.youtube.com/shorts/1UOJHeSZS_o

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTcEL1BQ2qc

^^ hasbara piffle ^^

This actually works in the IDF's favour, because it means that the IDF didnt know what it says which means they didnt plant it and it is real.

And its clear it starts on the day of the attack and has been crossed off each day so clearly linked in some way, if it was just some other roster what would be the chances of it starting on the day of attacks?...unlikely especially when coupled with other thing's found.

These videos in some ways dont hold a real lot of weight as we dont know 100% what a room like this was used for if you keep san opern mind there could be other explanations and weapons can be easily planted, but aspects that cant be or would be very hard too like the clear temporary set up like ventilation, toilet and weird room in this video are super suss it definitely seems to appear as they say.

For those that didn't see what they found the other day in the basement of a smaller hospital that has been evacuated.

And also in the main hospital, again they could easily just plant this stuff, but could also be real too.

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“ This actually works in the IDF's favour, because it means that the IDF didnt know what it says which means they didnt plant it and it is real.”

Oh. Ok then ;);)
- it’s like every time you chase a rainbow u also find a pot of gold…

Incredible assumptions/facts ;)

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how's this little letter to america thing that's unfolding atm...

my gawwwwds the world has just gotten really weird

now censored across the internet

(does anyone really think that's goona work?)

The Jewish people are indigenous to that land in Palestine and have been attacked , driven out and back home again many times over many thousands of years.
Hostile neighbours and one world conquerors are not new to them.
Islam which is the worlds brand new religion around 600 AD is very hostile.
A brief history can be found in the Britannica or look up Jewish Diaspora on wiki.

no-one cares about that @opti, and if you like Israel as a Jewish state, I'd keep that kinda talk hush-hush.. if Israel claims any sort of 'holy war' primary-rationale, the civilised world (not to mention the religious world) will drop them like a hot potato.

The US will back Israel through this war whatever happens (no choice), then advocate for a 2-state solution, not an Israeli occupation of Palestine, so any of that holy-talk from the international community is counter-productive to any chance of the region having some semblance of peace in the long-run.

Need to get your facts straight.
Israel has agreed to the two state solution idea since the last time they came home in 1948. It has signed up to it many times.
Islamic leaders do not want it, they want Israel driven into the sea and destroyed.
The cool Arabs have been living in Israel the whole time and are a part of the community and even sit in positions as court judges politicians etc etc.
If Gaza can’t be run by anyone sane then Israel will have to fix it as usual.
It should be a thriving paradise on the sea with all the money and support pumped into it but instead it’s “ let’s kill Israel”, Parroting Irans vision of an Islamic world.
The only way to Middle East peace is to attack and destroy Irans government and free the people from the tyrants who run it…
….as I said before, the women would be dancing in the streets instead of being locked up, raped and beaten for taking off their head coverings.
A new free Persia would be an amazing place and start a chain reaction of democratic freedom throughout the Arab world.

Persia was quite cool, but as some religions such as Baha'i still call themselves Persian so as not to have any political affiliations, much of Persian thought is in a timeless philosophy-shared history with India. Interesting stuff. Didn't take you for a Hindu-Zoroastrianist. Makes you much more interesting, and probably mildly qualified to commentate on middle-eastern affairs. Got the Veda and an Avesta, next to your Bible?

Optimist wrote:

The Jewish people are indigenous to that land in Palestine and have been attacked , driven out and back home again many times over many thousands of years.
Hostile neighbours and one world conquerors are not new to them.
Islam which is the worlds brand new religion around 600 AD is very hostile.
A brief history can be found in the Britannica or look up Jewish Diaspora on wiki.

Hi Optimist,
Obviously you have very strong Christian beliefs, but are a 7 day creationist? Not trying to belittle you just trying to understand your perspective