The Israel Palestine problem solving thread
Youre the one making outlandish claims without backing it up w evidence hero.
I dont give 2 shits how u respind, youve already put your claim out there.
Just when ut seemed your nonsense couldnt get any more uneducated, you sprout this beauty.
So Roadkill is declaring the majority of Palestinians don't want peace.
Mental.
garyg1412 wrote:Another terrifying read on that period
https://www.amazon.com.au/Savage-Continent-Europe-Aftermath-World/dp/125...
And going back to that time, even if you were fortunate enought to be on an uninvaded island like my family was, postwar was very tough. Dad was born during the war and his parents took him to his mother's family in the highlands, to be out of the range of the bombers. When he went into the Port Fairy sweet shop with young grandkids in 2003, he teared up when he saw the sweets actually went right up to the roof... The amount of scarcity and lack when he was little defined him as a very frugal, cautious man for his whole life.
On topic: can you imagine what the landscape of Gaza currently would be like if you were a child living through it??
southernraw wrote:Youre the one making outlandish claims without backing it up w evidence hero.
I dont give 2 shits how u respind, youve already put your claim out there.
Just when ut seemed your nonsense couldnt get any more uneducated, you sprout this beauty.
So Roadkill is declaring the majority of Palestinians don't want peace.
Mental.
southernraw, let's get something straight here. I enjoy not answering you. It seems to get under your skin bizarrely.
velocityjohnno wrote:On topic: can you imagine what the landscape of Gaza currently would be like if you were a child living through it??
Dude, Hamas should've thought about that before kicking off this latest terrorism and war episode, ya know, man?
Yo, actually, they totally did think about it, man. This latest Hamas terrorism event was straight up crafted to hit hard and start a war that caused maximum Palestinian civilian deaths.
Real talk, Arab Muslim terrorists should've been considering this for the past 70 years before each time deciding to flex up in jihad and attempt to destroy the two-state solution and Israel itself.
From Guardian just now.
""Israel and Hamas agree four-day ceasefire and release of 50 hostages held in Gaza
The Israeli government has announced the deal for the release of 50 hostages, all of whom are women and children, over four days, during which there will be pause in fighting.
Groups of 12-13 hostages will be released per day, the Times of Israel reports.
Here is the full statement on the deal from the Israeli Government:
The Government of Israel is obligated to return home all of the hostages. Tonight, the Government has approved the outline of the first stage of achieving this goal, according to which at least 50 hostages – women and children – will be released over four days, during which a pause in the fighting will be held. The release of every additional ten hostages will result in one additional day in the pause.
The Government of Israel, the IDF and the security services will continue the war in order to return home all of the hostages, complete the elimination of Hamas and ensure that there will be no new threat to the State of Israel from Gaza.
The Times of Israel also reports that there may be 30 more hostages released and that the pause in fighting could be extended “by a day for each group of 10 more Israeli hostages”.
Earlier, Israeli media, including Channel 12 news, reported that if the deal was approved, the first release of hostages is expected on Thursday.
The delay is because if the deal is agreed to, there must be a 24-hour waiting period before it is implemented, to give Israeli citizens the chance to ask the supreme court to block the release of Palestinian prisoners, according to reports in Israeli media.""
Fantastic news that some hostages will be released.
Hamas are 100% scum. The continual use of hostages to gain an advantage just reinforces how despicable they are as human.
velocityjohnno wrote:garyg1412 wrote:Another terrifying read on that period
https://www.amazon.com.au/Savage-Continent-Europe-Aftermath-World/dp/125...
And going back to that time, even if you were fortunate enought to be on an uninvaded island like my family was, postwar was very tough. Dad was born during the war and his parents took him to his mother's family in the highlands, to be out of the range of the bombers. When he went into the Port Fairy sweet shop with young grandkids in 2003, he teared up when he saw the sweets actually went right up to the roof... The amount of scarcity and lack when he was little defined him as a very frugal, cautious man for his whole life.
On topic: can you imagine what the landscape of Gaza currently would be like if you were a child living through it??
Ah yes. My family was in the middle of it. Sounds like an interesting book, I’ll give it a go.
How would children see it? It’s hard to tell. My grandpa told me that he loved to see the Italian trucks. Kids would run behind them and they would throw some food to them from the truck. But Italians were the invading forces in the area. I guess kids don’t care when they’re hungry.
Quote from a Palestinian kid in 'Gaza Surf Club':
Q: What would you say to the soldiers?
kid: Just... don't make a mess.
Velocityjonno -
"On topic: can you imagine what the landscape of Gaza currently would be like if you were a child living through it??"
Fucking terrifying
“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Even you can’t be stupid enough to suggest the IDF is a terrorist organisation.
soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Unquestionably complicit in war crimes against humanity about overs it
On hostage deal.
No doubt Hamas are going to use and twist this somehow for their advantage hopefully it doesn't affect the progress the IDF are making on the ground.
Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Ok bro
Is the question not valid, goofy?
Where does the responsibility lie for innocent child deaths?
Missed this roady earlier.
Who ever pulls the trigger yeah?
GuySmiley wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Unquestionably complicit in war crimes against humanity about overs it
That is a nothing answer to the question posed.
Guy, is the IDF a terrorist organisation?
Roadkill wrote:southernraw wrote:Youre the one making outlandish claims without backing it up w evidence hero.
I dont give 2 shits how u respind, youve already put your claim out there.
Just when ut seemed your nonsense couldnt get any more uneducated, you sprout this beauty.
So Roadkill is declaring the majority of Palestinians don't want peace.
Mental.southernraw, let's get something straight here. I enjoy not answering you. It seems to get under your skin bizarrely.
Nice. Not only do you regurgitate the 6iclock news, you're now regurgitating my own posts.
What a guy.
Great insight as always.
Keep up the great informed posts roady.
I dont watch the news so it helps me to catchup.
Roadkill wrote:GuySmiley wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Unquestionably complicit in war crimes against humanity about overs it
That is a nothing answer to the question posed.
Guy, is the IDF a terrorist organisation?
The outcomes are the same for murdered innocent civilians of Gaza everything else is semantics
fitzroy-21 wrote:
Come on Fitzroy, you are better than that, there is no comparison whatsoever these type's of memes are highly antisemitic they go for the lowest punch they can against Jewish people many of these people in Israel went through the holocaust or offspring of those that did including those in the IDF.
"A new survey by an independent German foundation has found that over a third of Germans believe Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians is essentially the same as the Nazi genocide of the Jews during the Holocaust."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-1-in-3-germans-have-poor-view-of-isra...
That is an incredible parallel to draw. There is no doubt that Israeli’s treatment of the Palestinians is awful but to equal it to Nazi Germany is terribly irresponsible and dangerous.
flollo wrote:That is an incredible parallel to draw. There is no doubt that Israeli’s treatment of the Palestinians is awful but to equal it to Nazi Germany is grossly inaccurate.
Yeah cannot really compare.
Not helping either the Palistineans or Israeli's with commentary such as that.
flollo wrote:That is an incredible parallel to draw. There is no doubt that Israeli’s treatment of the Palestinians is awful but to equal it to Nazi Germany is terribly irresponsible and dangerous.
Not really. Turkish immigrants to Germany and their descendants make up a big prop of the immigrant population. The finding follow on from similar outcomes over the previous years
GuySmiley wrote:Roadkill wrote:GuySmiley wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Unquestionably complicit in war crimes against humanity about overs it
That is a nothing answer to the question posed.
Guy, is the IDF a terrorist organisation?
The outcomes are the same for murdered innocent civilians of Gaza everything else is semantics
It's not murder.
andy-mac wrote:flollo wrote:That is an incredible parallel to draw. There is no doubt that Israeli’s treatment of the Palestinians is awful but to equal it to Nazi Germany is grossly inaccurate.
Yeah cannot really compare.
Not helping either the Palistineans or Israeli's with commentary such as that.
Those memes are also not helpful. They just incite more hatred.
bonza wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Roadkill wrote:GuySmiley wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Unquestionably complicit in war crimes against humanity about overs it
That is a nothing answer to the question posed.
Guy, is the IDF a terrorist organisation?
The outcomes are the same for murdered innocent civilians of Gaza everything else is semantics
It's not murder.
More semantics
You good with genocide then?
goofyfoot wrote:Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Ok bro
Is the question not valid, goofy?
Where does the responsibility lie for innocent child deaths?
Missed this roady earlier.
Who ever pulls the trigger yeah?
Hamas pulled the trigger first…so it’s good we can agree on something.
GuySmiley wrote:bonza wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Roadkill wrote:GuySmiley wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Unquestionably complicit in war crimes against humanity about overs it
That is a nothing answer to the question posed.
Guy, is the IDF a terrorist organisation?
The outcomes are the same for murdered innocent civilians of Gaza everything else is semantics
It's not murder.
More semantics
You good with genocide then?
It’s not genocide
Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Ok bro
Is the question not valid, goofy?
Where does the responsibility lie for innocent child deaths?
Missed this roady earlier.
Who ever pulls the trigger yeah?
Hamas pulled the trigger first…so it’s good we can agree on something.
I didn’t think you were that much of a dumb cunt, but here we are.
haha! @GF
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goofyfoot wrote:Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Ok bro
Is the question not valid, goofy?
Where does the responsibility lie for innocent child deaths?
Missed this roady earlier.
Who ever pulls the trigger yeah?
Hamas pulled the trigger first…so it’s good we can agree on something.
I didn’t think you were that much of a dumb cunt, but here we are.
I see. It’s all Israel’s fault. Gotcha.
Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Roadkill wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Ok bro
Is the question not valid, goofy?
Where does the responsibility lie for innocent child deaths?
Missed this roady earlier.
Who ever pulls the trigger yeah?
Hamas pulled the trigger first…so it’s good we can agree on something.
I didn’t think you were that much of a dumb cunt, but here we are.
I see. It’s all Israel’s fault. Gotcha.
Just confirmed it. Nice.
Roadkill wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Even you can’t be stupid enough to suggest the IDF is a terrorist organisation.
Your definition. Exercise
Do the IDF hate Palestinian people and some times kill them for no reason even kids.-yes
Does IDF have a propaganda wing to indoctrinate the population- yes
Is the conflict viewed through a religious lense-yes
Are there potential positive economic outcomes for Israel- yes
Are their disputes over land- yes
Has Netanyahu been accused of being corrupt- yes
You left out foreign military presence policing a civilian population under draconian imposed conditions. Think occupying force type stuff. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.
So is Israel rooting out terrorism or creating more terrorists while they seeks their pound of flesh. As it reclaims the holy land
soggydog wrote:Roadkill wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Even you can’t be stupid enough to suggest the IDF is a terrorist organisation.
Your definition. Exercise
Do the IDF hate Palestinian people and some times kill them for no reason even kids.-yesDoes IDF have a propaganda wing to indoctrinate the population- yes
Is the conflict viewed through a religious lense-yes
Are there potential positive economic outcomes for Israel- yes
Are their disputes over land- yes
Has Netanyahu been accused of being corrupt- yes
You left out foreign military presence policing a civilian population under draconian imposed conditions. Think occupying force type stuff. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.
So is Israel rooting out terrorism or creating more terrorists while they seeks their pound of flesh. As it reclaims the holy land
So, is the IDF a terrorist organisation? Yes or no?
This guy thinks so
?si=hvBWrCYkT-YApGO1 soggy
The Israeli's want to throw Netanyahu out .
The IDF would hate U to , if U threatened them .
They fight fire with fire .
An Israeli civilian captured by Hamas is in MUCH more danger than a Palestinian captured by the IDF .
The Israeli's I know , are some of the most free thinking , anti political people I know .
Indoctrinated , no !
The ones in Israel are conscripted so definitely pro military , I expect .
All are very loyal to their country .
They STILL want to throw out their Defence Minister .
U might be careful with your definition of a Terrorist Military .
Using your definition, the US and a few other countries fit in , imho .
Terrorists pfft. To paraphrase Sam Harris; we all haven’t been removing our shoes at the airport security check in the last 20 odd years because of the IDF.
Who defines who’s a terrorist? The victims?
Israel has a legitimate claim to use the term in regards to Hamas, for sure. Do the Palestinians have a claim to use the term? Considering what they have endured for 75 years?
seeds
U ask a lot of Q's but give no answers .
It's the "Law" , that has the Power to Punish , that always defines the goodies and badies .
Maybe some perspective ?
Unfortunately , 75 years is nothing .
You can add in lots of peoples into the list starting with Jews , Tibetans and Kurds .
Go back 200 years and the list gets a lot longer .
U guys are seeing war 2023 Style Served Up on your daily screens .
War is very ugly . Don't watch it too much imho !!!
Roadkill wrote:soggydog wrote:Roadkill wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Even you can’t be stupid enough to suggest the IDF is a terrorist organisation.
Your definition. Exercise
Do the IDF hate Palestinian people and some times kill them for no reason even kids.-yesDoes IDF have a propaganda wing to indoctrinate the population- yes
Is the conflict viewed through a religious lense-yes
Are there potential positive economic outcomes for Israel- yes
Are their disputes over land- yes
Has Netanyahu been accused of being corrupt- yes
You left out foreign military presence policing a civilian population under draconian imposed conditions. Think occupying force type stuff. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.
So is Israel rooting out terrorism or creating more terrorists while they seeks their pound of flesh. As it reclaims the holy land
So, is the IDF a terrorist organisation? Yes or no?
My question to you is, is the IDF exacerbating terrorism or rooting it out.
Does the IDF terrorise a civilian population. The answer is clearly yes.
Applying a label to the “Bad Guys” to manufacture the consent of the foolish. Job done in your house eh?
Pop there will be no answer while people ignore the Zionists role in this.
Well said soggydog!
Pop Down wrote:soggy
The Israeli's want to throw Netanyahu out .
The IDF would hate U to , if U threatened them .
They fight fire with fire .
An Israeli civilian captured by Hamas is in MUCH more danger than a Palestinian captured by the IDF .
The Israeli's I know , are some of the most free thinking , anti political people I know .
Indoctrinated , no !
The ones in Israel are conscripted so definitely pro military , I expect .
All are very loyal to their country .
They STILL want to throw out their Defence Minister .
U might be careful with your definition of a Terrorist Military .
Using your definition, the US and a few other countries fit in , imho .
Yep I agree, an Israeli hostage taken by Hamas is in far more danger than a hostage taken by the IDF. Because the IDF have a history of killing the Hamas“terrorists” AND the Israeli hostages.
Mate if it swims like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s usually a fucken’ duck.
If you terrorise people you’re a terrorist. Flags and feelings be damned.
And if Israel aren’t terrorists then why aren’t Hamas freedom fighters or an armed rebellion.
The word terrorist is used to manufacture the consent of the foolish free from the nuances of a very sad situation.
indo-dreaming wrote:I focus wrote:green room wrote:another stupid, uneducated trolling Aussie believing Islamic terrorists
Judging by this website, you'd swear Australia's like 90% filled with dumb folks either brainwashed by the long march of lefty ideology we got over here in the States or that Hamas BS & lies.
Green room what ever happen to nuance in the US?
You know no one here supports Hamas, say that again no one here supports Hamas but we also don't support the slaughter of Palestinian women and children.
We also know the Israelis don't always wear white hats (just trying to help you out here) and are happy to call them out for it that's not support for Hama or anisemenic thats if you want our support stop slaughtering women and children.
Now we know the US and us slaughtered 10,000's during the Iraq war given the out come we all know it's wrong ...right.
Just trying to help.
The problem i think we now have is we all live so detached from the reality of how things work in the wider world and what war really is, we want war to be this things between solider versus soldier, while Hamas have purposely tried to create the opposite of this and put their own civilians between the two because either way they win, if not attacked because civilian's they win, if attacked and civilians die they win.
Its made worse by the fact we now see things in real time info, pictures and footage and that Hamas for instance have their own propaganda machine as Jelly brain has shown..
So we end up with two things, a war on the battle ground and an information war, Israel are winning the war on the ground, but in a way Hamas are winning the information war, and always will because there is no way to fight a war like this without civilians deaths and its made worse by the fact the tally of deaths is given by Hamas.
Whatever view you take, like it or not you end up supporting one side or the other, because even if you take this view Israel are killing to many civilians, you are playing into the hands of Hamas and giving them exactly what they want, your view puts pressure on Israel to not complete the job needed which is to destroy Hamas, and as much of their tunnels and military infrastructure as possible and get them out of government.
BTW. Lets not forget thousands of innocent Germans died destroying Hitler and the Nazis, if that war happened today we would have the same people saying too many civilian's are dying the war needs to stop now and if the war wasn't completed and the Nazis and hitler not destroyed, history would now be very different.
I certainly don't support Hamas and any criticism of the IDF is not support for Hamas and obviously despite some commentators here trying to paint that picture that applies for everyone else not happy about killing kids.
The problem for the Israelis and are a few has been the behavior of the Israeli government (Netanyahu have a look at his cabinet total nut cases) Israeli settlements encroachment, isolation of Gazza etc.
None of this allows for a positive sentiment for Hamas or anything they have done but still doesn't mean the IDF are great guys killing 4,000 kids deaths still climbing.
The 1st casualty of war is the truth (applies to both sides) but footage of dead and dying kids is an inescapable truth.
As for getting rid of Hamas getting rid of the PLO out of Lebanon got them Hezbollah and Iran 100's times more powerful.
soggy
What point are U trying to make ?
It has always been " One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist !
The Taiwanese think the Chinese Terrorists , the Taliban think the US are terrorists .
Bloody hell , everyone is nearly a terrorist , then .
Look at the Irish !
The International Rules of War are in play .
Hamas threw down the gauntlet and "let the dice fly ".
You and I are unable to judge imho .
As Bill said " Whatever will be , will be " .
ps I Focus , PERHAPS , 4000 kids being killed is a tiny number compared to early predictions .
That sounds terrible :(
It could indicate the IDF has been very careful to NOT bomb civilians .
The Snifferdog's of the IDF have , apparently , been going into most places first .
Hundred's have died .
Remember that Hamas use Human shields .
Iran already have their pawn in the game , Hamas .
They seem , atm , prepared to sacrifice it .
Remember Hamas use human shields.
Remember the IDF bombed a refugee camp.
Settlers cheer as the IDF “Mow the Lawn”
Might be a mascot job going for the halftime show RK better be quick, Pop might be looking too.
soggydog wrote:Roadkill wrote:soggydog wrote:Roadkill wrote:soggydog wrote:“Hate, indoctrination, religion, economics, corruption and more creates terrorism.”
So……what are we calling the IDF then?
Even you can’t be stupid enough to suggest the IDF is a terrorist organisation.
Your definition. Exercise
Do the IDF hate Palestinian people and some times kill them for no reason even kids.-yesDoes IDF have a propaganda wing to indoctrinate the population- yes
Is the conflict viewed through a religious lense-yes
Are there potential positive economic outcomes for Israel- yes
Are their disputes over land- yes
Has Netanyahu been accused of being corrupt- yes
You left out foreign military presence policing a civilian population under draconian imposed conditions. Think occupying force type stuff. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.
So is Israel rooting out terrorism or creating more terrorists while they seeks their pound of flesh. As it reclaims the holy land
So, is the IDF a terrorist organisation? Yes or no?
My question to you is, is the IDF exacerbating terrorism or rooting it out.
Does the IDF terrorise a civilian population. The answer is clearly yes.
Applying a label to the “Bad Guys” to manufacture the consent of the foolish. Job done in your house eh?
Are Hamas terrorists or freedom fighter?
Some interesting points in first video.
From everything ive read/watched/listened to i dont think Hamas have got the outcome they wanted, i think they expected more support from other Arab countries, see video below.
War wise they are getting more desperate at this point, 11 of 12 hamas units in the north are said to be severally weakened the resistance going into Gaza city hasnt been what they expected or was seen in other areas earlier, it seems like Hamas have either fled south or have been severally hurt, IDF have even been talking about the next stage going in to the southern area.
Also IDF hasn't fallen for what hamas wanted which is to go in to the tunnels and lots of those tunnel's have been found because wherever Hamas pop up thats where the tunnels are, and the IDF have been very clever in how they use ground troops combined with drones and air support, so Hamas havent had the great advantage many expected.
The worry with this pause is Hamas get reloaded and prepare again I wouldn't be surprised if they try to entice troops on the front to break ceasefire to use it against them to try to put more International pressure on the IDF to stop their operations.
&t=43s indo-dreaming wrote:Some interesting points in first video.
From everything ive read/watched/listened to i dont think Hamas have got the outcome they wanted, i think they expected more support from other Arab countries, see video below.
War wise they are getting more desperate at this point, 11 of 12 hamas units in the north are said to be severally weakened the resistance going into Gaza city hasnt been what they expected or was seen in other areas earlier, it seems like Hamas have either fled south or have been severally hurt, IDF have even been talking about the next stage going in to the southern area.
Also IDF hasn't fallen for what hamas wanted which is to go in to the tunnels and lots of those tunnel's have been found because wherever Hamas pop up thats where the tunnels are, and the IDF have been very clever in how they use ground troops combined with drones and air support, so Hamas havent had the great advantage many expected.
The worry with this pause is Hamas get reloaded and prepare again I wouldn't be surprised if they try to entice troops on the front to break ceasefire to use it against them to try to put more International pressure on the IDF to stop their operations.
Hamas tunnels?
Not under hospital it seems.
Seems both sides spouting lots of bullshit...
Truth is somewhere in the grey...
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