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So, ‘people’ are experiencing this?
Have they ever not?
Do you think it’s ever happened before in our country to people who are a different ethnicity, religious group, sexual orientation or political alignment?
I’m certainly not saying that this type of discrimination is excusable - in fact the opposite - but it is interesting that when a certain demographic ‘feels’ that the odds are stacked against them then we’re on a beeline for civilisational collapse.
I work in a managerial role. Ages from 19-60. Have overseen a number of workplace conflicts / complaints / issues in my time. Most are resolved relatively easily at the lowest level. Some are not and require escalation or external support.
A trend I have seen is where men of a certain age and demographic don’t understand that they need to be accountable for their behaviours, and that the models and examples that they experienced in their youth have shifted. In some cases, the first response to being called to account is to blame wokeness and consciously avoid any self-reflection. But honestly, that’s a pretty rare occurrence.
One example - a relatively senior guy started cooking off about US politics at the end of last year in his work area. He’s a Trump guy. American ex-wife, has lived there so he has some valid perspectives that I appreciate. But we needed to draw the line when I heard him start using pejorative terms including ‘libtards’. He was pretty good about it - and really hadn’t thought about the potential impact of his words on his co-workers (including a gay mother of two young children, whose wife was undergoing significant medical issues at the time). I’d assume that you could make the case that I was being woke? Silencing dissent and freedom of speech? I’ve got no issue with discussing the topic du jour, but do so in a way that’s constructive and respectful.
While there is a narrative about the sense of entitlement of the young, there isn’t much said about the same attitudes of the older generation. The sense that things shouldn’t change - that they shouldn’t change. There a word for that.
But: all that said - there’s not a single person in our team that I don’t respect, like and I would have a beer, coffee, chat with any of them.
I just don’t see the same issues that you’re describing. Not to say they don’t exist - maybe they’re actually the minority. The grain of truth upon which big lies are built?
Nice post etarip.
etarip wrote:How is there ‘only one way to vote’ in NZ?
Can you expand on this? Genuinely interested? Or is that a social construct?
And what I find interesting about both these accounts ^^ is that there’s a sense (explicitly in gs-co’s version) that the contributor is being discriminated against because of their demographic, religious and political beliefs.
Funnily enough, there are avenues for this to be investigated, validated and action to be taken.
I don’t think you’ll find many people that haven’t reflected, at some point, on elements of our current social fascination with the individual - but to conflate that with a sense that our civilisation is somehow under siege is just hyperbolic nonsense. Especially by those who turn a blind eye to ongoing, tangible assaults on the basis of western liberal democracy by the political faction that they ‘support’
Oh, and it both cases, it sounds like you might just be getting old. No offense intended.
Only one side to vote for, then. Wellington was always left-leaning, but during and after Covid it got exaggerated.
Re "just getting old", I've been doing that gradually for decades, and it has only very little to do with that. The changes I described have been sudden and drastic, and easier to see from a different vantage point (not age, but another place).
“ Honestly, and do you know how I am treated and viewed nowadays in a university environment as a fit, strong, handsome, masculine, tanned, heterosexual, blonde haired, blue eyed, Christian white male who is full of life and confidence, and just went for a 2hr surf this morning? I'm the enemy. I'm everything these people have been fighting against.”
The primary irrational thinking styles that can be problematic for coping with change include: negative evaluation, catastrophic thinking, shoulds, generalizing, internal control, and emotional reasoning.
Negative evaluation is the tendency to see the negative aspects of a situation or of others and to expect negative outcomes. Therefore, with changing circumstances it is the belief that the change will result in something bad even if the change itself might be considered good. To change this thinking it is important to recognize that negative evaluation is an assumption not necessarily based in reality. By doing so, you can evaluate the evidence for the assumption and tell yourself what to expect realistically. Sometimes this might mean obtaining additional information to help determine the reality.
Catastrophic thinking, an assumption as well, is a more extreme form of negative evaluation. It is the tendency to expect the worst possible outcome. To challenge this thinking it is important to recognize the possibility of different outcomes and that the worst possible outcome may not have a high probability. Again, it may take some effort to obtain additional information regarding the actual probability.
Shoulds are demands that you place on yourself, others, and the world. Almost by definition they tend to be inflexible. Certainly, some things in life fall in the category of shoulds but most things do not. Therefore, it is important to determine what is necessary and what is an unreasonable demand. For instance, if you are starting a new job and you have the belief “I should know this so I shouldn't ask questions” you are likely being unreasonable and the result is more likely to be negative. By identifiying and letting go of unreasonable demands we are able to cope better with change.
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appreciate the response etarip, all valid points.
But I don’t think I’m imagining things, or that I’m just getting old (50 is still pretty young in academia) and culture has passed me by, or that it’s somehow me behaving like an inappropriate caveman.. I’m a very descent, tolerant, respectful person.
In the end what I realised is that it comes down to you’re not allowed to not discriminate - to be neutral and treat all people equally - in academia.
If you’re not actively engaging in trans, indigenous, ESG, Palestine, etc activism and favouritism, then you’re not part of the cool crew.
Of course the whole point is that the progressive zeitgeist is non discrimination is discrimination. Equal rights and treatment regardless of one’s background such as race, skin colour, gender, etc is discrimination and fascism. All lives matter is racist. Non activism is racist discrimination.
If you don’t have rainbow and indigenous posters on your door, if you’re not incorporating ESG and indigenous traditional knowledge and ways of knowing into your research and teaching, then you're an outsider, on the receiving end of subtle, passive aggressive workplace politics, ignored, not invited to anything, excluded wherever possible, alone in the academic workplace. You’re clearly a conservative fascist.
In the end I left on my own accord and returned to the private sector.
The liberals, the lunatic progressives, are the intolerant ones; it’s the classic contradiction. There is widespread, subtle, passive aggressive systematic “reverse” racism and discrimination across academia and the public sector. Well it’s not so subtle: the very definition and practice of DEI hiring is outright racism and discrimination.
Academia in the West is broken, likely beyond salvation without large-scale, wholesale, society wide ideological and cultural realignment.
But all of the above is what Trump, Musk and the US Republicans are going to war with. I wish them all the best. The odds are stacked against them.
Geez Louise …cry us a farkn river ;)
“ Love doesn’t die a natural death.
Love has to be killed,
either by neglect or narcissism. “
- ginormously sociopathic conspiratorial orgasm (time to take responsibility for your own thoughts, feelings and actions mista fuckn handsome beautiful tanned fuckwit)
I’d have to agree tearymassuese.
It’s obvious the problem lies with gsco and so does the solution.
Stop giving a fuck gsco!
Tourism from everywhere is down in the US.
Great to see the plan working out. It seems. Just. So. Obvious.
Most maga are starting to realise they have been conned and Trump has absolutely NFI.
From a few months ago…things didn’t seem so bad now.
It’s just the bedwetters still talking dramatic sky falling on our heads stuff.
90 billion in lost tourism revenue. Hurting Americans and no one else.
“ All lives matter is fascism. “ & “ All lives matter is racist. “
Hahaha
& You’re a (self proclaimed) :
“… very descent, tolerant, respectful person.”
Yep ;)
- ‘descent’ : the act of moving downwards, dropping or falling.
….. ‘Academia in the West is broken’ haha
(& likely beyond salvation)
gs-co wrote:it's very easy, and obvious, seeds, and co.
Everyone sees things from the vantage point of their own lived experience.
You seeds live in the Noosa hinterland, I'd say Cootharaba or Kin Kin area. Absolutely beautiful part of the country. I particularly love Cedar Pocket.
You might go in for a surf at Rainbow or DI, in which case you're squarely in redneck bogan Wide Bay bundy rum 4wd country! I know it well.
Or you might have a surf at Noosa, in which case you're smack bang in wealthy and highly conservative regional coastal Australia. Everyone there is actually vibrant and happy, out living and enjoying life and the beautiful natural environment and everything Noosa and Western civilisation has to offer and spent thousands of years building. Everyone in Noosa hit the jackpot of life. No one is sitting around disgruntled and plotting the demise of capitalism and the West, hoping to replace it with globalist communism and concentration camps for the conservatives and the "far right".
The point is: You are one of the people on planet earth who is the least exposed to the current massive wave of lunatic progressivism...neo-Marxism...critical race theory...DEI...anti-West hatred...extreme left ideology...critical gender and militant feminism studies...critical social justice...queer theory...ESG...what they call being a liberal in Canada and the US...all that stuff Syp said above.
And it's the same for most other contributors in these forums. Many are living in smaller rural coastal towns, living and breathing the surfing culture, tradies, working class, going down the local pub or RSL on a Friday night with their mates. They're just not exposed to any of this lunatic left stuff.
But this lunatic left stuff is the norm, not the exception. Most people in Australia live in the city. Most people in the city work in the public service/bureaucracy, or in a smaller professional office environment, or in a large global corporate, or in a university, etc.
Now consider one of my recent lived experiences. Take for example working in a top 3 Australian university.
Walk the isles of the staff offices - what do you see? What kinds of posters are plastered on every available square foot of wall space? It's all rainbow and indigenous posters, lgbtq+ trans advocacy, indigenous advocacy, pro Palestine and Hamas advocacy, etc.
What are the topics of discussion over lunch and in faculty meetings? What are the hiring directives from HR? Who are the new staff being hired?
What kind of people do you see working in there nowadays compared to 25 years ago - what's their hair colour, their gender, their nationality, were they born in Australia, what's their political affiliation, what's their research interests and publishing record? What kind of visiting researchers do universities invite to give talks to the faculty, and what it the themes of their seminars? What is the main topics of conversation that immediately come out of their mouths?
Some are even migrants publishing militantly anti-West research and then stepping out into the pro Hamas protests and encampments in their spare time to advocate their cause... How did they even get to Australia in the first place?
Honestly, and do you know how I am treated and viewed nowadays in a university environment as a fit, strong, handsome, masculine, tanned, heterosexual, blonde haired, blue eyed, Christian white male who is full of life and confidence, and just went for a 2hr surf this morning? I'm the enemy. I'm everything these people have been fighting against. It's completely inappropriate that someone like me is even alive and kicking on planet earth nowadays. They all look at each other in bewilderment that I'm even standing there - they thought my type was eradicated from universities in the 2000s via DEI hiring. It mostly was.
And what kind of training and induction do you have to sit through to even start working there? I'd describe it more as a re-education and indoctrination camp of lunatic progressive ideology. It's all DEI, ESG, pro trans and indigenous advocacy, pro immigration and "cultural enrichment" - it's all fully critical race theory themed. What you're really doing is being forced to swear allegiance to the lunatic left progressive ideology in order to work there.
In one's daily worklife there, under no circumstance can you hint at having even the remotest inkling of supporting anything even remotely conservative. If you do, you're set upon by the lunatic progressive tribal mob. There is no such thing as free speech in universities any more, unless it militantly anti Western culture.
Lunatic left progressivism is like a massive cleanup set that has swept through the whole public service and corporate world, universities, etc. It saturates every aspect of city life and one's professional existence.
It is actually you who is living in a Kin Kin bubble, completely oblivious to what's currently happening in the "real" world.
Hopefully that massive cleanup set , catching everyone inside, isn’t full of toxic waste and oil spills,
which is why right wing hero Trump is dismantling the US Environmental Protection Agency, because of those pesky expensive, environmental regulations,
which his oligarchy buddies don’t really like..
Funny how the right wing climate change deniers and environmental vandals ,
still appreciate a 2 hour surf and a nice rural environment? Hahaha .
Maybe @ gs-co university work mates
were anti poser activists?
nice to hear some real words @gsco, rather than extreme rhetoric and doom diatribes. In terms of unis, the posters and demonstrations (there have been no pro hamas ones) sound the same as in the 70s and 80s and 90s if you added a few anti-nuclear and environmental ones. That's Unis; anti-establishment, maaaann. Unis are also full of conservatives who smirk at the lefty idiots. Melbourne and Monash still are. The next rung unis like Flinders and Deakin are more what you'd term 'aggressively progressive' ironically because they don't have the massive amount of international students that M & M have... these non-blonde non-blue eyed international students are some of the most conservative, traditional, christian/sufi/muslim/hindu kids who clamour to get a bog standard tertiary qualification from a stable Aussie institution - they do not consider being politically active to be part of being a dignified student or to be what they paid thousands and thousands of dollars to do - to sit on some concrete steps with a sad little placard and a tatty petition..
As for your above CV, it doesn't sound a little entitled to you? I assume you have some competencies other than looking like the second coming. Based on some of the episodes you had on here during your van-lyfe period, half of which was nonsense, might I gently suggest there's more to garnering respect than standing in a room and looking strapping?
Seriously though, I'm glad you've clawed back some self-respect, good to hear you sounding relatively well. We come to this thread within this surf site to hear a variety of surfers' views, as @sypkan points out. Just keep it moderate so we can make fun of the same stuff you want to. ^ @Confusion is a great point in this regard, when he was here banging on like an obsessive loon, all the lefties here told him he was a nutter and to fuck off. He seems quite normal now, just another lefty.
@basesix
Who are you calling quite normal now?
That’s very offensive to someone who doesn’t think they’re quite normal.
Actually I’m still posting the same stuff,
just not the same volume,
See the subtle variations in opinions.
And now Trump has been in power for 3 months, so it wasn’t all loony left ,
as I check on my superannuation again?
exactly right, @jef.
'seems' normal.
it's all we ask in a public forum,
none of us is normal here, thank fook ; )
Nailed it re the uni's Gsco.
Have a relo staying that works in a Sydney uni and said same things.
basesix wrote:exactly right, @jef.
'seems' normal.
it's all we ask in a public forum,
none of us is normal here, thank fook ; )
Yes , what seemed loony hahahaha Gaga left before Trumps inauguration ,
Seems quite sensible now!?!?!?
gs-co wrote:appreciate the response etarip, all valid points.
But I don’t think I’m imagining things, or that I’m just getting old (50 is still pretty young in academia) and culture has passed me by, or that it’s somehow me behaving like an inappropriate caveman.. I’m a very descent, tolerant, respectful person.
In the end what I realised is that it comes down to you’re not allowed to not discriminate - to be neutral and treat all people equally - in academia.
If you’re not actively engaging in trans, indigenous, ESG, Palestine, etc activism and favouritism, then you’re not part of the cool crew.
Of course the whole point is that the progressive zeitgeist is non discrimination is discrimination. Equal rights and treatment regardless of one’s background such as race, skin colour, gender, etc is discrimination and fascism. All lives matter is racist. Non activism is racist discrimination.
If you don’t have rainbow and indigenous posters on your door, if you’re not incorporating ESG and indigenous traditional knowledge and ways of knowing into your research and teaching, then you're an outsider, on the receiving end of subtle, passive aggressive workplace politics, ignored, not invited to anything, excluded wherever possible, alone in the academic workplace. You’re clearly a conservative fascist.
In the end I left on my own accord and returned to the private sector.
The liberals, the lunatic progressives, are the intolerant ones; it’s the classic contradiction. There is widespread, subtle, passive aggressive systematic “reverse” racism and discrimination across academia and the public sector. Well it’s not so subtle: the very definition and practice of DEI hiring is outright racism and discrimination.
Academia in the West is broken, likely beyond salvation without large-scale, wholesale, society wide ideological and cultural realignment.
But all of the above is what Trump, Musk and the US Republicans are going to war with. I wish them all the best. The odds are stacked against them.
The good thing is there is a pushback to a lot of the nonsense, it's why the voice failed, it's why so many right wing anti immigration parties in Europe have got voted in, it's a big reason why Trump got voted in, most people are totally over all the nonsense.
It's why in the UK a few days ago
"Judges at the UK Supreme Court have unanimously ruled that a woman is defined by biological sex under equalities law."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg7pqzk47zo
I think the nonsense has peaked in some areas and even turned, but in others maybe at the peak.
The problem is in some areas things cant be turned back the UK is screwed Muhammad is quite literally the number one boys name.
"Muhammad overtakes Noah as most popular boy's name"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6o
It's not too late for Australia though, we just need to learn from the mistakes that UK and USA has made, the problem is as you see here many dont even think we have a problem.
gs-co wrote:appreciate the response etarip, all valid points.
But I don’t think I’m imagining things, or that I’m just getting old (50 is still pretty young in academia) and culture has passed me by, or that it’s somehow me behaving like an inappropriate caveman.. I’m a very descent, tolerant, respectful person.
In the end what I realised is that it comes down to you’re not allowed to not discriminate - to be neutral and treat all people equally - in academia.
If you’re not actively engaging in trans, indigenous, ESG, Palestine, etc activism and favouritism, then you’re not part of the cool crew.
Of course the whole point is that the progressive zeitgeist is non discrimination is discrimination. Equal rights and treatment regardless of one’s background such as race, skin colour, gender, etc is discrimination and fascism. All lives matter is racist. Non activism is racist discrimination.
If you don’t have rainbow and indigenous posters on your door, if you’re not incorporating ESG and indigenous traditional knowledge and ways of knowing into your research and teaching, then you're an outsider, on the receiving end of subtle, passive aggressive workplace politics, ignored, not invited to anything, excluded wherever possible, alone in the academic workplace. You’re clearly a conservative fascist.
In the end I left on my own accord and returned to the private sector.
The liberals, the lunatic progressives, are the intolerant ones; it’s the classic contradiction. There is widespread, subtle, passive aggressive systematic “reverse” racism and discrimination across academia and the public sector. Well it’s not so subtle: the very definition and practice of DEI hiring is outright racism and discrimination.
Academia in the West is broken, likely beyond salvation without large-scale, wholesale, society wide ideological and cultural realignment.
But all of the above is what Trump, Musk and the US Republicans are going to war with. I wish them all the best. The odds are stacked against them.
GS I am a few years older and for my entire life I have always and still do benefit from the fact I am a white male full stop.
I have worked with pretty much all ethnicity's including indigenous and always been on top of the pile absolutely no question.
As a kid anyone different was a spastic and bashed. if you were gay you were isolated and bashed, poofter bashing was a sport,
Trans wasn't a thing, why? read the above.
Indigenous guys I worked with could only socialize in certain locations and there were time limits plus they never got promoted ever.
This wasn't all that long ago.
Trump wants this order restored I assume.
nice one, @I focus, yep, the old 'don't ask, don't tell' will seem progressive once again like when Nirvana was the president. As always @indo, when you say 'we' have a problem, to whom do you refer?
But @newdog's relo is right, and so is @gsco. Unis is interesting (as they say in the English Dept.)
Everyone is aware there's been shifts, and most departments have been burned through incompetent appointments and restructures. Lotsa nice people burned, too. It'll be back to 2010 in no time, where we will once again see the incompetents more likely to be internal appointments from less diverse backgrounds. Hopefully you'll be among them @gsco ; )
Give it 15 years @gsco, and the world will be to rights, Monash HR receiving a complaint: "Honestly, do you know how I am treated and viewed nowadays in a university environment as a fit, strong, sexy, feminine, Christian, Congolese lesbian with a dark mane and green eyes, full of life and confidence, and just did a 2hr Zumba class this morning? I'm the enemy and I'm living in my car."
here's a boring bit on uni stuff, for those that find boring uni stuff mysterious and nothing more than a political footy:
there's big problems with funding structures, research grants, turning unis into factories, with short term contracts distributed among what is effectively a casual uni workforce. And if your humanities department is required by the uni to secure research-funding in order to operate, in the same way say, sciences do, would that not lead to studies that might look odd from the outside? Lots in unis needs a rethink.. And now with cuts to international students looming. Big times ahead.
An interesting one on my side of the border is the UniSA and Adelaide amalgamation. In situations where there are degree double-ups, like for example where both unis offered a similar law degree, they have decided, rather than choose the 'best' one (fraught), to avoid conflict they intend to rethink and redesign the entire degree.. which is admirable as hell and probably what they should do, but think about the clash of cultures, leadership teams, management etc. in doing this for hundreds of awards. With teams of people that used to pride their degree above the other predecessor uni. my god!
(I have a few progressives-eating-themselves ridiculousnesses I'd share with @gsco that he might enjoy, but there's no space for it when things are gloomy and heavy, when any wacky anecdote is validation of the last Bernard Salt column someone read.. so hard to chat when the world is all about confirming a polarised political viewpoint from any anecdotal tidbit).
@gs-co
The left or “progressives” as you refer to them, have always championed the cause of the oppressed and exploited. From the coal mines and factories of industrial England all the way through to the modern-day working class, the left has stood up, supported and defended these people.
It is also noteworthy, that it has been the “right” who have sought to profit from the working class, with little regard for their health or well-being.
Also, the “right”, in order to justify their lofty position in society, have always sought out an enemy: others who are solely to blame for the ills which afflict society. Communists, socialists, environmentalists etc have filled that role for the last eighty years.
It comes as no surprise in this modern society, that the oppressed, labelled as “woke” by the right have sought refuge and support within the progressive left, and the left have gladly embraced them. And now of course, in typical fashion, we find, according to the “right”, the “woke” are responsible all the problems facing society today. A convenient scapegoat for problems largely self-inflicted by the “right”.
You describe yourself as a “fit, strong, handsome, masculine, tanned, heterosexual, blonde haired, blue eyed, Christian white male who is full of life and confidence”. Modesty personified, indeed!!!
But as a “Christian”, you would be well aware of the significance of Easter.
The man you model yourself after, was hounded, oppressed, persecuted and ultimately executed by those who felt threatened by his very existence.
Yet at the point of death he cried out, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing”. Was that genuine concern and love for his tormentors, or was he simply “virtue signalling”?
You would appreciate the basic rules of life were handed down in the “Ten Commandments”, but Christ also had some other helpful advice.
“Love thy neighbour as thyself”.
A Salty Dog wrote:“Love thy neighbour as thyself”.
He tried that, but when @gsco reached out to give Glen from next door a wank, he went mental.
indo-dreaming wrote:The problem is in some areas things cant be turned back the UK is screwed Muhammad is quite literally the number one boys name.
"Muhammad overtakes Noah as most popular boy's name"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6o
Hang on, the UK is screwed because Muhammad is the most popular name, but it wasn't screwed when Noah was the most popular name?
Another Indo screamer, right up there with "the closer they are to their culture, the more violent they are".
A Salty Dog wrote:@gs-co
The left or “progressives” as you refer to them, have always championed the cause of the oppressed and exploited. From the coal mines and factories of industrial England all the way through to the modern-day working class, the left has stood up, supported and defended these people.
It is also noteworthy, that it has been the “right” who have sought to profit from the working class, with little regard for their health or well-being.
Also, the “right”, in order to justify their lofty position in society, have always sought out an enemy: others who are solely to blame for the ills which afflict society. Communists, socialists, environmentalists etc have filled that role for the last eighty years.
It comes as no surprise in this modern society, that the oppressed, labelled as “woke” by the right have sought refuge and support within the progressive left, and the left have gladly embraced them. And now of course, in typical fashion, we find, according to the “right”, the “woke” are responsible all the problems facing society today. A convenient scapegoat for problems largely self-inflicted by the “right”.
You describe yourself as a “fit, strong, handsome, masculine, tanned, heterosexual, blonde haired, blue eyed, Christian white male who is full of life and confidence”. Modesty personified, indeed!!!
But as a “Christian”, you would be well aware of the significance of Easter.
The man you model yourself after, was hounded, oppressed, persecuted and ultimately executed by those who felt threatened by his very existence.
Yet at the point of death he cried out, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing”. Was that genuine concern and love for his tormentors, or was he simply “virtue signalling”?
You would appreciate the basic rules of life were handed down in the “Ten Commandments”, but Christ also had some other helpful advice.
“Love thy neighbour as thyself”.
Gs-co. Hi.
I suggest you read early papers or books by Robert Owen, ( Owenism) one of the first persons in British history to promote equality and socialistic approaches to a better society for all. He wanted to abolish all exploitation by others etc, a fairer 8 hour working day, children to be cared for during the day instead of working as child slave labour in factories ages 4-7 whilst their parents worked .
To banish the rich who carved up land at free will before any laws existed and then rent it back to the poor.
Churches were viewed as , no surprise here, sinister businesses at heart with false religious ideologies just to make financial gains.
So SaltyDog is very correct in all he writes, the left has always had a caring element to its foundations, the right has and always will have no caring elements whatsoever, time has changed nothing in that regard.
Easy example here, Dutton and Co. want to rid Oz of fee free TAFE.
Having been a TAFE teacher for a period of seven years awhile back, I can state emphatically that these institutions of further learning assists students who were not so academic at high or tech schools, didn’t quite have entry grade marks for university but were able to enter a system where they could excel and become worthy to themselves and society.
I had many students, through my encouragement, go onto further studies at the Tertiary level or into workplaces of their now trained field.
Without their start in TAFE, who know where they’d end up.
The Rights just do it wrong. The system will never change.
Gs-co, I said it a few days ago, you just right pathetic uneducated shit. My opinion, without prejudice.AW
Here's a suggestion for you Indo.
And an observation.
gs-co wrote:If you’re not actively engaging in trans, indigenous, ESG, Palestine, etc activism and favouritism, then you’re not part of the cool crew.
Bro, maybe you're just not cool.
gs-co wrote:All lives matter is racist. Non activism is racist discrimination.
Jesus wept. Do you also say "I don't need to welcomed to my own country"?
"However, Black Lives Matter was not intended to mean that other lives do not matter. In a world where Black people are stigmatised, marginalised, and discriminated against, Black Lives Matter simply recognises Black lives matter, too. Responding to “Black Lives Matter” with “all lives matter” derails the specific conversation about racism against Black people. The phrase is seen to dismiss, ignore, or deny these problems — it shuts down this important discussion."
https://theconversation.com/why-is-it-so-offensive-to-say-all-lives-matt...
indo-dreaming wrote:The problem is in some areas things cant be turned back the UK is screwed Muhammad is quite literally the number one boys name.
Hot-damn that's a funny reason to think somewhere comprised of 75% white people is "screwed". Keep 'em coming.
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Hiccups wrote:gs-co wrote:If you’re not actively engaging in trans, indigenous, ESG, Palestine, etc activism and favouritism, then you’re not part of the cool crew.
Bro, maybe you're just not cool.
gs-co wrote:All lives matter is racist. Non activism is racist discrimination.
Jesus wept. Do you also say "I don't need to welcomed to my own country"?
"However, Black Lives Matter was not intended to mean that other lives do not matter. In a world where Black people are stigmatised, marginalised, and discriminated against, Black Lives Matter simply recognises Black lives matter, too. Responding to “Black Lives Matter” with “all lives matter” derails the specific conversation about racism against Black people. The phrase is seen to dismiss, ignore, or deny these problems — it shuts down this important discussion."
https://theconversation.com/why-is-it-so-offensive-to-say-all-lives-matt...
indo-dreaming wrote:The problem is in some areas things cant be turned back the UK is screwed Muhammad is quite literally the number one boys name.
Hot-damn that's a funny reason to think somewhere comprised of 75% white people is "screwed". Keep 'em coming.
IndoDreaming. Muhammad is the number one boys name globally.
Is there anything wrong with that ? It’s just a name. It’s the inference that’s the problem.
Or would you have a problem if John was the number one boys name globally.
I don’t see a or any problem. AW
Watched a coupla esteemed gentlemen at a social gathering earlier tonite get into a heated argument about the State Of The World Today. One was all doom and gloom, the other was like an audio of this weeks edition of Upbeat Times. All the barely seen good bein done daily, and all. Was like watchin Hobbs and Locke have a tilt. Voices raised and postures were assumed.
What i took from it is similar to what i take from the last coupla pages here. The seeker seeks. And what the seeker seeks is liberation from suffering, which is mostly self generated. So, the suffering comes from clinging to notions of a self.
Honestly i got that from good old google just now. But, it sums up something i'd of had to think on a bit nicely. (who thinks on things a bit anymore?)
Ahh @indo-dreaming…
Nuff said.
thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:The problem is in some areas things cant be turned back the UK is screwed Muhammad is quite literally the number one boys name.
"Muhammad overtakes Noah as most popular boy's name"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6oHang on, the UK is screwed because Muhammad is the most popular name, but it wasn't screwed when Noah was the most popular name?
The Western world has been shaped and influenced greatly by Judeo-Christian beliefs its made us what we are today even the Easter holiday right now is because of Judeo-Christian beliefs
Generally speaking over time Christianity has reformed and changed with the Western world, it's been a gradual reformation that we have done together and today we have a clear separation of Church and State
Yes you can find example's of negative aspects of full on Christian's like some Christian groups outside abortion clinics or something, but generally speaking Christianity fits in well in our society.
Islam has not reformed, it's a religion that is still stuck in the dark ages, there is no truely progressive reformed Islamic country, many Islamic countries and the culture and values that goes along with things is very different to ours (especially in treatment of women), and there is no seperation of church(mosque) and state, Islam is the most political religion, Islam and politics cant be separated they are one and the same (siyasah)
We are throwing a lot of people and culture that goes against our own and one that's religion and politics cant be separated in the mix and giving much power in numbers.
Symbolically if you look at both name's while obviously just religious mythology Noah was a visionary, despite ridicule he built a huge boat to save not only mankind from a great flood but also all the animals of the world. (it's really a symbolic story of rebirth and cleansing a new beginning)
Muhammad on the other hand was the opposite he ordered the deaths of hundreds and when he was 53 married Aisha at 9 years old (but she had already been betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six) the figure is important some muslim countries the age of consent for any man to have sex (marriage can be short term) with a female is as low as nine. (Iraq just lowered it to nine, years ago Iran lowered it from 13 to 9, but i think its back to 13 now)
Anyway I know who id rather be named after.
Maybe Mohammad is the most popular name in the UK now because the Anglos have adopted the habit of coming up with the most creative and fucked up variations of place names, deities, Vikings, sportspersons and god knows what else.
While many of those with middle eastern / south Asian ancestry just stick with Mo.
A higher proportion of ME / SA kids are Mo, while ‘Anglo’ kids names are scattered to the wind in the pursuit of individuality.
If you want a marker of civilisational collapse, Jaxxon Leyf Bowdee are a good start. No DEI input required.
Wow. Glad I spent a nice day with family, feel a bit dirty reading some of the excrement above.
indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:The problem is in some areas things cant be turned back the UK is screwed Muhammad is quite literally the number one boys name.
"Muhammad overtakes Noah as most popular boy's name"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6oHang on, the UK is screwed because Muhammad is the most popular name, but it wasn't screwed when Noah was the most popular name?
We are throwing a lot of people and culture that goes against our own and one that's religion and politics cant be separated in the mix and giving much power in numbers.
Symbolically if you look at both name's while obviously just religious mythology Noah was a visionary, despite ridicule he built a huge boat to save not only mankind from a great flood but also all the animals of the world.
Muhammad on the other hand was the opposite he ordered the deaths of hundreds and when he was 53 married Aisha at 9 years old (but she had already been betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six)
I know who id rather be named after.
hahha... oh, mate.. pick a fairytale, double down..
(can people stop saying 'dark ages' i.e. late antiquity, when they mean 'middle ages' i.e. the time when the church transitioned from being science and egalitarian based, into a real-estate company that appropriated philosophies and art as their IP which they sold-on as bling to machiavellian monarchies?)
Gs-co. Hi .
It’s great being a part of the ‘cool crew’ if that’s what you’d like to call it, admission is free, in all its contexts, if you know what I mean,
Or, would you rather be part of the drool, fool, tool, cruel, never went to school crew ?
I’ve recently ran my bullshitometer over a lot of your recent posts, your style is very reminiscent of a poster from the past. See, if you post a lot , without even trying , your style becomes visible to all, post very little and everyone is none the wiser, please keep posting to reveal the gimp you really are, does the mask fit well, do you wear a studded collar, who is whipping you to expel such rubbish, hiding in the basement must be abhorrent, but hiding behind the veil of bravado is another floor down. soon you’ll be in the sewerage system.
You tell us you’re educated, you’ve gotta be joking, must have been at an elite institution.
Your background was most likely one of entitlement , lacking enlightenment and foresight but I feel you’re just simply wearing a pair of the latest Dutton Polaroids, couldn’t see your own member (of parliament) if you tried.
Pile it on, it’s great playing with kids from private schools, some know shit but not life. AW
indo-dreaming wrote:The problem is in some areas things cant be turned back the UK is screwed Muhammad is quite literally the number one boys name.
It's a legacy of the Wests road to wealth and prosperity @Indo after the worlds first shareholder company took over and ransacked what is now called India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan which was the wealthiest region on earth at the time, check ya history
Yes @gs_co Reagan and Thatcher sure dropped the ball, probably around the time they were busy propping up ex SS loving South American dictators that had a penchant for torturing and murdering their people, but apparently that's all okay according to Thatcher, Reagan and Bush.
There have always been established rules of trade to protect countries and companies from the trade and intellectual theft and unfair trade restrictions China was carrying on with but the elite business class all turned a blind eye to what was going on because it was to their great benefit to do so.
The moral and business decline started well before the woke brigade were in vogue.
Appreciate your insights but I'd rather look at the entire picture in context, personally I'm more than happy with the role 'socialists' have played in society over the years, I've got a lot to thank them for.
Quick scroll thru the Sunday bullshit on this thread, @gsco and @Indo with the usual paranoid delusoinary "logic".
@Indo the Islamaphobe names himself after the country with the largest Muslim population on earth and gsco hates the lefties like I hate fkn idiots, and people who use "woke" as a catch all pejorative.
I know dogs that are smarter than these two dolts.
Stupid and deluded dullards.
Paranoid haters that hate for hate's sake.
G'day @Base, @AW, @ifocus, @blackers and @etarip. and @Fliplid and @Waxy in the good (?) ol' USA., and Mr Ben Matson
Rip into them boys, I would but I'm having a fkn great Easter and don't need this kind of shit to ruin it.
And the tigers got up yesterday too!!!
Whoo hoo!!!!!
Some great discussion and debate by everyone today. Not much I could add to what I already said. Reminded me of the forums of the covid years.
But Alfred, wtf are you going on about. Yes I’m the original gsco. Everyone can see that. I recently came back from overseas and now living back on the Sunny Coast, and checking the surf cams again.
I think I remember you from The Voice debating. Peace dude.
Been some epic waves this weekend!
gs-co wrote:Some great discussion and debate by everyone today. Not much I could add to what I already said. Reminded me of the forums of the covid years.
But Alfred, wtf are you going on about. Yes I’m the original gsco. Everyone can see that. I recently came back from overseas and now living back on the Sunny Coast, and checking the surf cams again.
I think I remember you from The Voice debating. Peace dude.
Been some epic waves this weekend!
Gs-co. Hi.
WTF am I on about.
Well, I could ask you the same thing, ‘woke this way’. AW
don't throw thomas sowell out with the bath water!
the problem with the post modernist bullshit is...
it's largely bullshit
it fails to address cause and effect
it's a problem searching for an excuse...
an agenda seeking scapegoats
this is a good listen
https://www.hoover.org/research/consequences-matter-thomas-sowell-social...
sypkan wrote:don't throw thomas sowell out with the bath water!
the problem with the post modernist bullshit is...
it's largely bullshit
it fails to address cause and effect
it's a problem searching for an excuse...
an agenda seeking scapegoats
this is a good listen
https://www.hoover.org/research/consequences-matter-thomas-sowell-social...
Geez you talk...
Bullshit
Sypkan
Like, absolute
Bullshit.
No seriously.
It never ends.
And on and on...
DEI without merit is ridiculous.
Has Donald’s appointments in term two met the merit criteria? Or the sycophant requirement.
did you listen to it?
no
get back to me when you do
or not...
Make America Great Again ,
When all slaves were equal with each other !
No I read some of it.
I think I agreed above.
And pointed out the complete opposite is happening in the US government that are apparently making it all good in the world.
The post post modernists are more farged than the modernists.
I’ll default to the post modernists.
If I even understand all this terminology.
wax24 wrote:Watched a coupla esteemed gentlemen at a social gathering earlier tonite get into a heated argument about the State Of The World Today. One was all doom and gloom, the other was like an audio of this weeks edition of Upbeat Times. All the barely seen good bein done daily, and all. Was like watchin Hobbs and Locke have a tilt. Voices raised and postures were assumed.
What i took from it is similar to what i take from the last coupla pages here. The seeker seeks. And what the seeker seeks is liberation from suffering, which is mostly self generated. So, the suffering comes from clinging to notions of a self.
Honestly i got that from good old google just now. But, it sums up something i'd of had to think on a bit nicely. (who thinks on things a bit anymore?)
Interesting you raise Hobbs.
Reading a book atm, Human Kind by Rutger Bregman which talks about Hobbs philosophy compared to Rousseau.
Seems the evidence tends to prove the later more correct, but the vast majority would think more along Hobbs lines.
Book gives the reader some optimism in these seemingly potentially dark times....
indo-dreaming wrote:thermalben wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:The problem is in some areas things cant be turned back the UK is screwed Muhammad is quite literally the number one boys name.
"Muhammad overtakes Noah as most popular boy's name"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6oHang on, the UK is screwed because Muhammad is the most popular name, but it wasn't screwed when Noah was the most popular name?
The Western world has been shaped and influenced greatly by Judeo-Christian beliefs its made us what we are today even the Easter holiday right now is because of Judeo-Christian beliefs
Generally speaking over time Christianity has reformed and changed with the Western world, it's been a gradual reformation that we have done together and today we have a clear separation of Church and State
Yes you can find example's of negative aspects of full on Christian's like some Christian groups outside abortion clinics or something, but generally speaking Christianity fits in well in our society.
Islam has not reformed, it's a religion that is still stuck in the dark ages, there is no truely progressive reformed Islamic country, many Islamic countries and the culture and values that goes along with things is very different to ours (especially in treatment of women), and there is no seperation of church(mosque) and state, Islam is the most political religion, Islam and politics cant be separated they are one and the same (siyasah)
We are throwing a lot of people and culture that goes against our own and one that's religion and politics cant be separated in the mix and giving much power in numbers.
Symbolically if you look at both name's while obviously just religious mythology Noah was a visionary, despite ridicule he built a huge boat to save not only mankind from a great flood but also all the animals of the world. (it's really a symbolic story of rebirth and cleansing a new beginning)
Muhammad on the other hand was the opposite he ordered the deaths of hundreds and when he was 53 married Aisha at 9 years old (but she had already been betrothed to Muhammad at the age of six) the figure is important some muslim countries the age of consent for any man to have sex (marriage can be short term) with a female is as low as nine. (Iraq just lowered it to nine, years ago Iran lowered it from 13 to 9, but i think its back to 13 now)
Anyway I know who id rather be named after.
Crikey, next thing I read is from the esteemed philosophy, Indo...
No words....
Bit of Buddha there Waxxy. Death of the ego.
We’re all afflicted by it to some extent. Most on here have generally let it take a back seat in middle age.
Most.
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank