Vaccinate or not
Oh yeah, you’re the guy whose brain has been eaten by a parasitic worm.
Makes sense.
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:What the fuck does "necessary" even mean in this context??
How about -
The rationale for the Hep B birth dose for all newborn infants is to prevent:
1. vertical transmission from a mother with chronic hepatitis B, recognising that there may be errors or delays in maternal testing, reporting, communication or appropriate response
2. horizontal transmission to the infant in the first months of life from people with chronic hepatitis B who are household or other close contacts
Newborns should receive the birth dose as soon as they are medically stable, and preferably within 24 hours of birth, but the vaccine can be given within the first 7 days of life. Ideally the vaccine is given before the baby is discharged from the obstetric hospital or delivery unit.
Look at the language Burls.
Rationale not necessity.
Should not must.
Can not must.
Ideally.Your fixation on whether it is "necessary" is missing the point.
We're talking about risk reduction, and the evidence of vaccinations reducing the risk of illness, hospitalisation and death is massive, overwhelming, irrefutable.
irrefutable has a stronger meaning than necessary.
You’ve said a lot of words but not much context.
It’s just words mate. Googled words
What about the seatbelt analogy Burls?
Is it "necessary" to wear a seatbelt all the time?
Ignoring legalities, it's not physically necessary but there's a very good chance that it could come in extremely handy at some point.
Ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure etc etc.
Surely this makes sense?
AndyM wrote:burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:What the fuck does "necessary" even mean in this context??
How about -
The rationale for the Hep B birth dose for all newborn infants is to prevent:
1. vertical transmission from a mother with chronic hepatitis B, recognising that there may be errors or delays in maternal testing, reporting, communication or appropriate response
2. horizontal transmission to the infant in the first months of life from people with chronic hepatitis B who are household or other close contacts
Newborns should receive the birth dose as soon as they are medically stable, and preferably within 24 hours of birth, but the vaccine can be given within the first 7 days of life. Ideally the vaccine is given before the baby is discharged from the obstetric hospital or delivery unit.
Look at the language Burls.
Rationale not necessity.
Should not must.
Can not must.
Ideally.Your fixation on whether it is "necessary" is missing the point.
We're talking about risk reduction, and the evidence of vaccinations reducing the risk of illness, hospitalisation and death is massive, overwhelming, irrefutable.
irrefutable has a stronger meaning than necessary.
You’ve said a lot of words but not much context.
It’s just words mate. Googled words
What about the seatbelt analogy Burls?
Is it "necessary" to wear a seatbelt all the time?
Ignoring legalities, it's not physically necessary but there's a very good chance that it could come in extremely handy at some point.
Ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure etc etc.
Surely this makes sense?
It’s more like you justifying wearing a mask inside your car.
Sounds like you can't see the potential benefits of wearing a seatbelt.
AndyM wrote:Sounds like you can't see the potential benefits of wearing a seatbelt.
You sound like you would wear a mask inside your car while driving down the highway alone.
More fool me for thinking that we might have something resembling a rational conversation.
Catch ya Burls, hope you get in the water today.
How’d you do
seeds wrote:How’d you do
Quite sure I didn't make a dent! :)
burleigh wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_bY_V3t1VH/?igsh=MmJxdmp5bDRycTZ1
Hope Kansas nail em.
Fascinates me the uptick in general vaccine hesitancy these days being blamed on right wingers and conspiracy theorists during covid. Surely the blame lies squarely at the feet of the very companies who produced them and peddled the porky pies, comfortable (or so they thought) standing behind wholesale government indemnities. Incidentally an indemnity shared by the GPs we were also told to unequivocally trust.
"Fool me once" adage predictably coming home to roost.
Can you Dig it . . .
Chakras ... Third eye ....illusions . . .
omfg
"When a silent weapon is applied gradually, the public adjusts/adapts to its presence and learns to tolerate its encroachment on their lives until the pressure (psychological via economic) becomes too great and they crack up. Therefore, the silent weapon is a type of biological warfare. It attacks the vitality, options, and mobility of the individuals of a society by knowing, understanding, manipulating, and attacking their sources of natural and social energy, and their physical, mental, and emotional strengths and weaknesses"
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udo wrote:
oh yay their finally getting it. Stay tuned things are just heating up.
Isn’t that image related to skin cancer?
#nevertuoldtobestupid
Victoria Spring Finals Fever Covid Spike
Category...5th >12th>19th September
o/s (Syd)...747 > 847>(n/a) o/s [+] 48% sets a new record in open era (see Summary)
Tests [+]% 4.3 > 4.5 >4.7
Outbreaks...32 > 35 > 41
Residents.119 >125>237
Staff..............47 > 61 > 72
Hospital......91 >106 >107
Sorry crew...hard to argue against 5 matching rising data spikes ...looks like an outbreak!
Previous Vic Spring outbreaks often pause/drop 2 weeks before wave starts. (Free Vic Ward Chart)
Year > Vic Bump (Lull) Wave Starts
2020 >29 Sept > 8th Oct
2021 > 6th Sept > 20th Sept
2022 >16th Sept > 21st Oct
2023 >15th Sept > 4th Nov
2024 >12th Sept > Mid Oct?
tbb's Deluxe (rare) 6 Tables x 5 years [factcheck] Vic Data
Bonus extended Summary! Now with quality informative New Wave updates!
Vax or Not Hot Tips for Vics
*VOC (Updated)
Oz is tracking Recombinant Variant XEC..expected to arrive in coming weeks!
https://www.9news.com.au/national/covid-variant-xec-what-is-it-and-is-it...
Unusual early long range Xmas Covid call...
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8768883/experts-warn-of-new-covid...
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/what-we-know-about-xec-the-new-covid...
*Vax Rollout (Updated) Currently @ lowest base 5,000/day as last year
( 2023 Rollout ramped from 30th Oct)
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-09/covid-19-vaccine-r...
*Vax Aged Care (Compliance) 6 month Up 2 Date = 53.5% (Vic 55.5%) / 12mths 71.2%
tbb believes Vic has made up ground from earlier in year...but 5% less Vax each year from peak
Be pretty rough for any expert to have a crack after the event...as they always do...say it now or STFU.
Not too bad considering lack of Govt urgent compliance > New Vax not ready yet.
*New JN 1 Vax (Updated)
Approval : US 22nd Aug 2024 / UK 2nd Sept 2024
Early Aug > tga begin evaluating Moderna / Pfizer JN1 Vax...( 45 days > Ready = End of Sept 2024)
{Important} Only Pfizer JN1 Vax is being Rolled Out ASAP...
Note Pfizer sponsor themselves Now > (Possible Gov Superfund > Vax'n'Pax Deal?)
Sufficient Alt Vax brands will be available for Pfizer affected Patients.
Looks like an earlier Vax Rollout than 30th Oct 2023...just saying...Wave rising now & by then!
tbb can share an unlikely examination of current rollout...
https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/how-australia-crushed-th...
*Expert responses to the current Rollout.(Updated Insight)
Note there is no mention of Varied Mass Vax mutation of Variants?
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/why-australia-could-miss-out-on-mode...
* Covid Vaccine Compliance
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2024-09-04/new-jn1-covid-vaccines-und...
*Masks / Tests > Expect seasonal Covid Aged Care then Child Care Entry Requirements (Standard)
*Free Tests ( Card Holders) S.A + (Qld)
Note : Aged Care Covid Rise in Qld > Massive early jump in [+] Staff...Again like last wave.
Qld Govt are ramping Health Staff for 11th hour Election eve Box Ticks...(True!)
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid...
https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+...
*Spring Wave Forecast (Current)
Record o/s Covid exposes gradual rising untested Highest Global Covid [+] Saturation reality
(Translation) Likely this or next wave Covid will circulate as a universal offset summer / winter tide.
Shh! Not even experts will inform the crew of 50% vs 50% = Transit Tides variable 10% soon 5%!)
Simply means an equal global tempering of forever mid ranging Covid Waves at transit hubs.
tbb explained how Tourist Hubs peak ahead but each more modest but more often (vs) Regions Spike!
When to expect Vic Covid Wave to Rise...( o/s + a/c rising now > (Pause) Civic Testing Wave Rises Up)
tbb can better example waves within seasonal Vic Culture...can we do that...let's have a crack!
Holiday Kidz visit [+] Gran (Above) Rollout Begins > Back 2 School / Child care Tests [+]
Testing increase then halts to hide [+] rise before Cup > wave starts to ramp Hospitals.
Shared swilling of Cup Dregz mutates to spike virulent Vic wave > AV > Hospital Crisis > Deaths rise.
About Now! Experts inform Media that a Covid Wave is upon us...well durr!
Note : No Flu / RSV waves are current.
tbb observation : "Possibly Hooping Cough is exaggerating Covid in infant demographic...very serious!
Oz must be prepared if seriously ill Infants die of Hooping Covid Cough...sounds horrific! A sad reality!
Doubt if Health authorities are prepared for inevitable...High Alert for such a Deadly Combo!
Record 10x Whooping Cough Wave colliding with new infectious VOC! Tough start for today's babies!
https://www.health.vic.gov.au/health-alerts/increasing-pertussis-whoopin...
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/whoopingcough/Pages/default.aspx
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13831549/whooping-cough-warning...
https://cqtoday.com.au/news/2024/08/24/urgent-call-as-whooping-cough-cas...
file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/WeeklyReport_202438_AU.pdf
Vax or Not Vic Ward Charts / Diagnosis > exclusive to swellnet...Good Health to all...Out the back!
Aged Care (Current) Outbreak Updates / Guidelines
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/collections/covid-19-outbreaks-in-au...
https://www.health.gov.au/topics/aged-care/managing-covid-19/prevent-and...
Vic Health Covid Site
https://www.health.vic.gov.au/infectious-diseases/victorian-covid-19-sur...
Breaking News : Australia rejects a Royal Commission into Covid 19.
https://www.themandarin.com.au/255281-australia-rejects-a-royal-commissi...
In closing it's fair to say Experts and media are expecting a Covid Wave soon & until Xmas!
Just covering their arses this time 'round, that's all...there's little detail other than wotz shared here!
Can rely on Denis to fill in the detail...
https://aus.social/@DenisCOVIDinfoguy
Mike has a weird Wake Up Call on AFL Player [+] Illness
2021=76 / 2022 = 112 / 2023 =184 / 2024 = 272
Reckon Long Covid might be a sleeper ...Massive ramp in sickies gotta be an issue!
https://x.com/Mike_Honey_/status/1836584393554694349
I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?