The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices
Since Burleigh & tbb were gromz > We Anglophile kids were grouped into 4 Aboriginal Mobs!
Yes Like Stolen Generation...(No choice)
All ages -Rounded up alphabetically by surname as local Mob.
Each 'n' every day Mon-Fri this was who you now were & represented by Name & Colour!
We're then made to compete fiercely as Warriors against other tribes (Class mates).
We're all graded physically even mentally with leaders of Tournaments as such.
Our whole worth at school was under this prescribed Mob Rule...from before to now & beyond!
If yer confused it works like this...
(These are actual Burleigh Mob examples..Yes! These Mob / House Names represent our Area!)
Your Mob's Tribe is yours until you leave school > No one must ever mingle or swap Tribes > Taboo!
Burleigh Heads State (Primary) School kidz are allocated Burleigh Mob's ~ (Time of Day)
Kyeema = Dawn / Lentana = Morning / Wiruna = Sunset / Alawarra = Evening
Marymount College (Catholic) kids are allocated Burleigh Mob's ~ (Place of Being)
Allambee = Quiet Place /Patanga =Home in the Trees /Katandra = Among Birds /Bulimah = Beyond Sky
St Andrews College (Lutheren) kids are allocated Burleigh Mob's ~ (Sea Creatures)
Wardjam = Whale / Binging = Turtle / Gowandi = Dolphin / Jubi = Crab
Having said that...Very few locals / Mob if any know or care what tbb just charted.
These Mob names were allocated to these Burleigh schools over 50 years apart.
Outside of each school these names mean little to another...
But as tbb has just demonstrated that as a Town they mean a hell of a lot for local reconciliation!
Again...only if one is proud of Town then Mob Spirit shines thru...sadly few know to share such!
eg: Big Bro is #1 [NO] Voter.
tbb presented a copy of this tribal secret to Big Bro...seemed nonplussed...then tried to regather it!
Then he clamps down...Wot are doin'...I wanted that!
Now! See & Feel it's power of Reconciliation within us 50 years on...It's Powerful Personal Voodoo!
That each learning institution of all faith sourced Local Mobs for Prized Inspiration for Youthful spirit.
Respect has everything to do with it...tbb was most proud to compete under this Burleigh Mob rule!
Doubt if these Flagship Mob Spirit banners will ever change...why would they...we all can & do learn!
Lesson of the Day : These little things mean the world to all, once reminded of their spiritual worth.
Interesting that School Spirit is seldom given worth but when married to the Mob, that's another level!
remember seeing a keynote, tbb, titled something catchy like 'why do you believe what you believe, if you know, had you grown up in different circumstances, you would believe something different?'.
indo-dreaming wrote:It's crazy how those around the voice be it Marcia, Noel, Albo, Linda, Thomas Mayo, Teela Reid just keep on giving these gifts to the No vote, time after time after time.
They are just so bitter and hateful, they cant help themselves, Marcia has gone and put her foot in it again.
Well, there goes southern, boys, it's what happens to people who care about the human side of this issue, when it is treated as sport. They fade, flabbergasted.
But I agree with your above point, indo, it's shocking - don't FNP realise they should be well-behaved, meek and grateful, just like 'new-Australians'? That's the only way we'll get more yes votes, if the undecided feel 'they' truly appreciate who's in control of this place and that it is only through our concessions that they might be granted things they ask for?
indo-dreaming wrote:It's crazy how those around the voice be it Marcia, Noel, Albo, Linda, Thomas Mayo, Teela Reid just keep on giving these gifts to the No vote, time after time after time.
They are just so bitter and hateful, they cant help themselves, Marcia has gone and put her foot in it again.
Indo yr wankerism is increasing exponentially... "just so hateful and bitter"?? Have u actually listened to these ppl? They sound pretty reasonable and balanced and logical... now and then emotions may strain but when ppl like u and burley show the stupidity in person in the ridiculous no arguments im amazed theyre really not bitter and hateful.... look in yr own heart u dope.
I’m voting no simply because I do not trust the government. Nothing else
[burleigh quote]
At least now I know what im dealing with... I'm sorry for debating with u burley... I really just didn't realise how dumb u are...until now.
Good luck with trying to understand anything for the rest of yr life champion.
Burley and indo
Stick with what u know...
Feel good about yrselves and go vote no
I'm a bigger fool for trying to reason with fools... with ppl like these two Australia's in good hands
Over and out bozos
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How low can the no voice go ? Voice to Parliament No campaigners accused of asking volunteers to spread 'fear and misinformation' https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/no-campaigners-accused-of-spreadi...
Amazing how many fall for the fear and doubt campaign. https://x.com/ronnisalt/status/1701379952569176217?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzXe7hK...
Supafreak wrote:How low can the no voice go ? Voice to Parliament No campaigners accused of asking volunteers to spread 'fear and misinformation' https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/no-campaigners-accused-of-spreadi...
@Supafreak. Low, real low. Low life, scared , arrogant and selfish. AW
Supafreak wrote:How low can the no voice go ? Voice to Parliament No campaigners accused of asking volunteers to spread 'fear and misinformation' https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/no-campaigners-accused-of-spreadi...
Did you read the article?
It was an accusation from Noel Pearson
"Mr Pearson told the ABC that the No campaign calling Australians and "putting the message of fear and misinformation out there" was a "deliberate tactic".
The aspects mentioned are in the full version of the Uluru statement of the heart, and also been talked about openly in videos etc by people like Thomas Mayo.
Thats the problem with the Yes camp, they have said all kinds of things in the past and put these things in official docs and videos but now they are trying to tell people a different story.
And im sorry but most people aren't fools, they know when they are being lied too.
basesix wrote:remember seeing a keynote, tbb, titled something catchy like 'why do you believe what you believe, if you know, had you grown up in different circumstances, you would believe something different?'.
indo-dreaming wrote:It's crazy how those around the voice be it Marcia, Noel, Albo, Linda, Thomas Mayo, Teela Reid just keep on giving these gifts to the No vote, time after time after time.
They are just so bitter and hateful, they cant help themselves, Marcia has gone and put her foot in it again.
Well, there goes southern, boys, it's what happens to people who care about the human side of this issue, when it is treated as sport. They fade, flabbergasted.
But I agree with your above point, indo, it's shocking - don't FNP realise they should be well-behaved, meek and grateful, just like 'new-Australians'? That's the only way we'll get more yes votes, if the undecided feel 'they' truly appreciate who's in control of this place and that it is only through our concessions that they might be granted things they ask for?
Ha ha are you serious?
We are talking about nut job activist that just cant help themselves, they try to change their tune and say all the right things to sway people but sooner or latter their hate and bitterness and thirst for power and money, cant help but come out and they go back to saying the things they really think or believe.
Basically leopard's cant change their spots.
Morning indo , thought you’d be along soon, enjoy your day . I’m guessing you will be busy .
https://x.com/prguy17/status/1701544765001781427?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzXe7hKRZ.... BREAKING: Marcia Langton is seeking legal advice after a now-deleted headline in The Australian falsely accused her of calling No voters “racist and stupid”. The headline was quietly deleted, but not before Channel 9 and Channel 7 repeated the false claims. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/marcia-langton-denies-calling-no... “I’m saying the claims being made by the No case are based in racism and stupidity – and appeal to racism and stupidity,” Langton said. “And they are appealing to Australians to frighten them into adopting highly racist and stupid beliefs.” ………a very true statement.
When my kid was in prep, every morning as they mark the roll the say good morning in Yugambeh language. Once per week they also learnt the language. Add this to no steps moving forward Southern.
I believe this is another great step at bridging the gap for future generations but Southern believes nothing has changed in 20 years. FNP are celebrated in schools.
Southern, this is just one example of one school. Your views of doom and gloom are very extreme and reckless.
burleigh wrote:When my kid was in prep, every morning as they mark the roll the say good morning in Yugambeh language. Once per week they also learnt the language. Add this to no steps moving forward Southern.
I believe this is another great step at bridging the gap for future generations but Southern believes nothing has changed in 20 years. FNP are celebrated in schools.
Southern, this is just one example of one school. Your views of doom and gloom are very extreme and reckless.
Burleigh. Hi, hope you are well.
Why is there a gap ?.
Not one person has yet to explain to me about how they would be affected by FNP voice being represented in our constitution.
It really is time for Australia to adopt a more mature mindset than the one that currently exists, totally lacking empathy when it comes to humanitarian issues.
Why are Australians in general, so selfish ?
We are viewed by other countries as being a great, lucky , fun loving, helpful volunteering , happy go lucky people who all band together when the chips are down nation.
It’s all a facade.
Behind that larrikinism lies skeletons in the closet.AW
AlfredWallace wrote:burleigh wrote:When my kid was in prep, every morning as they mark the roll the say good morning in Yugambeh language. Once per week they also learnt the language. Add this to no steps moving forward Southern.
I believe this is another great step at bridging the gap for future generations but Southern believes nothing has changed in 20 years. FNP are celebrated in schools.
Southern, this is just one example of one school. Your views of doom and gloom are very extreme and reckless.
Burleigh. Hi, hope you are well.
Why is there a gap ?.
Not one person has yet to explain to me about how they would be affected by FNP voice being represented in our constitution.
It really is time for Australia to adopt a more mature mindset than the one that currently exists, totally lacking empathy when it comes to humanitarian issues.
Why are Australians in general, so selfish ?
We are viewed by other countries as being a great, lucky , fun loving, helpful volunteering , happy go lucky people who all band together when the chips are down nation.
It’s all a facade.
Behind that larrikinism lies skeletons in the closet.AW
Why the gap? I think you know. We all know.
What I fucking hate is people like southern and harrycoopr coming here with their doom and gloom predictions for FNP if the voice doesn’t get up.
Changes have been happening, Our future generations are thankfully learning about FNP culture, their language. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island flags flying proudly in schools.
FN leaders in primary schools.
Clearly if these changes are happening, there is a voice already because when I was at school NONE of this was happening. I went to school in Bundjalung county with over 50 Bundjalung boys and girls at my school.
I really wish we could have had this education.
Is more needed? Sure. But change is ALREADY happening.
What I don’t trust is the government selling us a car but only showing the wheels.
This is why I’m voting NO
@burleigh , there’s a process before you can view the whole car , but I’m sure you understand this . https://voice.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-06/voice-fact-sheet-2-engl...
burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:burleigh wrote:When my kid was in prep, every morning as they mark the roll the say good morning in Yugambeh language. Once per week they also learnt the language. Add this to no steps moving forward Southern.
I believe this is another great step at bridging the gap for future generations but Southern believes nothing has changed in 20 years. FNP are celebrated in schools.
Southern, this is just one example of one school. Your views of doom and gloom are very extreme and reckless.
Burleigh. Hi, hope you are well.
Why is there a gap ?.
Not one person has yet to explain to me about how they would be affected by FNP voice being represented in our constitution.
It really is time for Australia to adopt a more mature mindset than the one that currently exists, totally lacking empathy when it comes to humanitarian issues.
Why are Australians in general, so selfish ?
We are viewed by other countries as being a great, lucky , fun loving, helpful volunteering , happy go lucky people who all band together when the chips are down nation.
It’s all a facade.
Behind that larrikinism lies skeletons in the closet.AW
Why the gap? I think you know. We all know.
What I fucking hate is people like southern and harrycoopr coming here with their doom and gloom predictions for FNP if the voice doesn’t get up.Changes have been happening, Our future generations are thankfully learning about FNP culture, their language. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island flags flying proudly in schools.
FN leaders in primary schools.Clearly if these changes are happening, there is a voice already because when I was at school NONE of this was happening. I went to school in Bundjalung county with over 50 Bundjalung boys and girls at my school.
I really wish we could have had this education.
Is more needed? Sure. But change is ALREADY happening.
What I don’t trust is the government selling us a car but only showing the wheels.
This is why I’m voting NO
Burleigh. Your opinion.Thanks for replying.
I agree with most of what you’ve stated, you’ve touched on a topic thats been a life bugbear of mine, one that i think is one of the root causes of the differing opinions and prejudices towards FNP having a meaningful voice.
How could we have ever expected our developing society to ever show empathy for FNP, when in reality, past governments with inherited attitudes, agendas and the sheer lack of any relevant education about all things pertaining to Aboriginal history, didn’t..
The gross deliberate ploy of NOT providing young scholastic children ( who we know are the most impressionable) with the truth about Australia’s history was a very big mistake.
Instead of telling the truth (something that’s almost entirely evaporated from current day living) about Australia’s history, starting with the original inhabitants of it , we totally and purposefully avoided the topic, instead we pedalled out all this garbage about early explorers from Portugal, France, England, Netherlands,Spain etc. and heralded early European circumnavigators as some kind of’ miracle on the sea’. Try running that one by the Polynesian people,
My earliest and only memory of Australian history was Captain James Cook, rammed down my throat at primary and to a lesser degree at high school. Really, is that all we’ve got to hang our hats on. Geez
Cook,I believe from what I’ve read was a good mariner and fair to his crew and band of helpers. He had minor altercations with FNP, not just here but elsewhere, ultimately being killed in Hawaii by a FNP.
So, what went so bad for Australia after that point in time?
The disgusting behaviours toward FNP that followed by those who arrived after him, I think, set todays current attitudes.
Mass slaughter across Australia organised or perpetrated by some of the most revered individuals at the time and whose surnames sickeningly still exist today in the names of towns, highways, islands, parks.etc. around the country .
Still a long way to go, my opinion. AW
burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:burleigh wrote:When my kid was in prep, every morning as they mark the roll the say good morning in Yugambeh language. Once per week they also learnt the language. Add this to no steps moving forward Southern.
I believe this is another great step at bridging the gap for future generations but Southern believes nothing has changed in 20 years. FNP are celebrated in schools.
Southern, this is just one example of one school. Your views of doom and gloom are very extreme and reckless.
Burleigh. Hi, hope you are well.
Why is there a gap ?.
Not one person has yet to explain to me about how they would be affected by FNP voice being represented in our constitution.
It really is time for Australia to adopt a more mature mindset than the one that currently exists, totally lacking empathy when it comes to humanitarian issues.
Why are Australians in general, so selfish ?
We are viewed by other countries as being a great, lucky , fun loving, helpful volunteering , happy go lucky people who all band together when the chips are down nation.
It’s all a facade.
Behind that larrikinism lies skeletons in the closet.AW
Why the gap? I think you know. We all know.
What I fucking hate is people like southern and harrycoopr coming here with their doom and gloom predictions for FNP if the voice doesn’t get up.Changes have been happening, Our future generations are thankfully learning about FNP culture, their language. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island flags flying proudly in schools.
FN leaders in primary schools.Clearly if these changes are happening, there is a voice already because when I was at school NONE of this was happening. I went to school in Bundjalung county with over 50 Bundjalung boys and girls at my school.
I really wish we could have had this education.
Is more needed? Sure. But change is ALREADY happening.
What I don’t trust is the government selling us a car but only showing the wheels.
This is why I’m voting NO
One last thing burley u dope... i never came here with doom and gloom. Not only are u stupid but a liar as well. You vote no cos u dont trust the gubment... u vote no cos u dont like them uppity blak activists... u vote no cos u feel u know better... yr truly an idiot.
Supafreak wrote:
Supafreak. Thanks for finding and posting that. No comment needed at all by ANYONE .AW
Supafreak wrote:
Wow, nailed it.
@Alfred Wallace
"We are viewed by other countries as being a great, lucky , fun loving, helpful volunteering , happy go lucky people who all band together when the chips are down nation.
It’s all a facade.
Behind that larrikinism lies skeletons in the closet."
I like to think those things don't have to be mutually exclusive.
AndyM wrote:@Alfred Wallace
"We are viewed by other countries as being a great, lucky , fun loving, helpful volunteering , happy go lucky people who all band together when the chips are down nation.
It’s all a facade.
Behind that larrikinism lies skeletons in the closet."I like to think those things don't have to be mutually exclusive.
AndyM. True, agree.
I haven’t even started on the treatment of Australia’s biota yet, what people overseas or those contemplating a holiday here think about Oz from an environmental perspective, its all smoke and mirrors at our end, my opinion.
Don’t know if I’ve the energy yet to launch into that. But i did promise Velocityjohnno to write something grand about coastal dunal systems and ‘A” frame peaks or the lack thereof. AW
harrycoopr wrote:burleigh wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:burleigh wrote:When my kid was in prep, every morning as they mark the roll the say good morning in Yugambeh language. Once per week they also learnt the language. Add this to no steps moving forward Southern.
I believe this is another great step at bridging the gap for future generations but Southern believes nothing has changed in 20 years. FNP are celebrated in schools.
Southern, this is just one example of one school. Your views of doom and gloom are very extreme and reckless.
Burleigh. Hi, hope you are well.
Why is there a gap ?.
Not one person has yet to explain to me about how they would be affected by FNP voice being represented in our constitution.
It really is time for Australia to adopt a more mature mindset than the one that currently exists, totally lacking empathy when it comes to humanitarian issues.
Why are Australians in general, so selfish ?
We are viewed by other countries as being a great, lucky , fun loving, helpful volunteering , happy go lucky people who all band together when the chips are down nation.
It’s all a facade.
Behind that larrikinism lies skeletons in the closet.AW
Why the gap? I think you know. We all know.
What I fucking hate is people like southern and harrycoopr coming here with their doom and gloom predictions for FNP if the voice doesn’t get up.Changes have been happening, Our future generations are thankfully learning about FNP culture, their language. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island flags flying proudly in schools.
FN leaders in primary schools.Clearly if these changes are happening, there is a voice already because when I was at school NONE of this was happening. I went to school in Bundjalung county with over 50 Bundjalung boys and girls at my school.
I really wish we could have had this education.
Is more needed? Sure. But change is ALREADY happening.
What I don’t trust is the government selling us a car but only showing the wheels.
This is why I’m voting NO
One last thing burley u dope... i never came here with doom and gloom. Not only are u stupid but a liar as well. You vote no cos u dont trust the gubment... u vote no cos u dont like them uppity blak activists... u vote no cos u feel u know better... yr truly an idiot.
Another attempt at the race card. I’m done with you Harry.
Need a few more independents to speak up . https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1701801544843182339?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX...
Supafreak wrote:Need a few more independents to speak up . https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1701801544843182339?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX...
Supa, the yes voters also use fear. The fear that this is the last hope for FNP which gets parroted by southern and co
Burleigh, you’re correct about that one
Supafreak. Thanks. How are you, hows ya mum ?
I enjoyed that oration, at least he had the mettle to do it, unlike many who are full of gas and wind and stumble at the starting line. Keep well. AW
Silent / AEC / Remote / Intimidated / Neutral / Boycott / Cancel / No Voice ~ Reffo Review.
*Silent : Voice fails to fall on Deaf / Dumb and Blind.
AEC : [ Voting is Compulsory ]
tbb earlier shared Low Oz / Lower Aboriginal level Literacy (Either side of 50%) Can't read Reffo Form!
43% of Aboriginals also have hearing loss.
Covid Interpreters were the benchmark (vs) The Voice is Silent.
AEC do not provide Braille.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/blind-voter-awarded-5000-for-poll-booth-...
80% + Braille want Vote Tabulating Machines = Eliminates Vote Rorting (Never gonna happen!)
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/disappointed-concerns-over-voice-ref...
March 2023 (New Govt) PM Albo Voice Announcement (No Auslan)
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/am/deaf-australians-missing-out-o...
*AEC
Language Barriers : Voice is not Translated in German / French (Considered English proficient)
2022 AEC furlough / Floods (Nat Cab orchestrated mass tests to lockout 2-500K voters to cull booths.
AEC : Mandated Direct Enrollment fast-tracks Aboriginal / New Citizen enrollment as of right.
Pushed by ALP Unions / Councils (vs) [L] Party past policies to further restrict Aboriginal / Migrant votes!
Direct Enrollment = Younger [YES] + ALP% (vs) Voting Restrictions = Established [NO] + [L] %
(Extra) ALP extended AEC Remote Voice Reffo Voting by 1week before pre poll.
AEC mandate Aboriginal Electoral Staff to have "All" Vax Combos (Further rules out [L] involvement)
Clear bias by ALP to enroll less involved non English speaking over the Literate Public at large!
*No Voice for Remote Aboriginal Languages
AEC Voice Pamphlets to Remote Communities no later than 14 days before 25th Sept Remote Polling.
AEC : 11th Sept Voice Booklet Deadline for Remote Aborigines (Failing this task will kill off the Reffo!)
Ask : How could Oz hold a Remote Aboriginal referendum by denying Vote rights to Remote Aboriginals
Fair to ask for Boycott of Voice if AEC can't meet only prioritized basic Human need!
So just how far did AEC get to meeting their 11 Sept Indigenous Pamphlet deadline.
13th Sept : AEC Booklet is available in just 7 of promised standard 20 of 250 Aboriginal languages
Meaning AEC supplied 3% of Aboriginal Languages with a Voice Pamphlet by 11th Sept Deadline
Voice reffo are least informed Aboriginal Voters of our time ~ re: 1999 Reffo (20 Aboriginal languages!)
Now Requiring a Record Max Mass Vaxed combo of Scrutineers to interpret Aborinal Voting Intentions!
https://www.aec.gov.au/About_AEC/Translated_information/#download
*Intimidated
Talk of the Town being that Corps are expected to represent all society by affording a uniting Voice.
70% Shareholders wish to Vote down goodwill & refuse to prioritize humanity before profit!
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/investors-put-heat-on-big-busine...
Many Judges took exception of Law council Association supporting the Voice without members vote!
https://www.skynews.com.au/insights-and-analysis/companies-dont-vote-we-...
[L] Yes voters face losing their seat come next preselection (Vote [Yes] & yer out !)
If ya get locked out > Click this link a second time...promising Voice free access.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2023/09/09/liberal-yes...
*Neutral
(Companies) Arnotts / IKEA / KPMG / Dow / AECOM / Orica / Energy Australia /
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/more-companies-to-stay-impartial-on...
(Organizations) *AEC / Red Cross / SLSA / Universities Aust' / APSC / Productivity Commissioner
https://www.facebook.com/aecourvoteourfuture/photos/pb.100069402750630.-...
There are still Many Councils / Aboriginal Advisories insisting on Neutrality
Liberal Neutrality
https://www.miragenews.com/myth-of-neutrality-and-why-australia-needs-vo...
*Active Boycott (Socialists)
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/09/07/czlb-s07.html
10% Won't Vote + 9% are unsure about Voting
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11983533/Indigenous-Voice-Parli...
Voter Boycotts of both [YES] + [NO] Brands
*Cancel the Reffo
Only those that Mandated a No Vote also ask to then first lift their Mandate to boycott Reffo.
These LNP Pollies are the only 100% mandated Voice advocates to do a complete 180* Flip / Flop.
This complete last minute U turn in itself rules out any input of serious debate into the Voice.
WR Backflips from strict Mandated Vote to > Calls of No Reffo Clowns > Tony Abbott + Peter Dutton
Lidia Thorpe advocates Boycott > No > Maybe to Dutto's Reffo (Even Lidia still doesn't know!)
* No Voice ( Aboriginal Prison / Non enrolled rates )
https://www.mamamia.com.au/voice-to-parliament-referendum/
burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Need a few more independents to speak up . https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1701801544843182339?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX...
Supa, the yes voters also use fear. The fear that this is the last hope for FNP which gets parroted by southern and co
Some of the Yes campaigners might genuinely have a fear that this is getting towards the last role of the dice for them, if the yes voice doesn’t get up it will be another kick in the teeth and their spirit will take a beating . For the majority of Australians nothing will change regardless of the outcome but for some reason there is a false belief that this will change everything for everyone . It’s a small step in the forward direction . FNP will need to Face Everything And Recover , it won’t happen overnight but they deserve the chance at a shot at improving their circumstances .
AlfredWallace wrote:Supafreak. Thanks. How are you, hows ya mum ?
I enjoyed that oration, at least he had the mettle to do it, unlike many who are full of gas and wind and stumble at the starting line. Keep well. AW
thanks for asking AW , mums ok , good days and bad ones , she’s comfortable. I’m down for another op on 11th October AF came back and had to get an electric shock to put me back in rhythm. So it’s a AF ablation this time , hopefully this fixes it for good . Had a CT scan on heart today . Anyway back to the topic .
Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Need a few more independents to speak up . https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1701801544843182339?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX...
Supa, the yes voters also use fear. The fear that this is the last hope for FNP which gets parroted by southern and co
Some of the Yes campaigners might genuinely have a fear that this is getting towards the last role of the dice for them, if the yes voice doesn’t get up it will be another kick in the teeth and their spirit will take a beating . For the majority of Australians nothing will change regardless of the outcome but for some reason there is a false belief that this will change everything for everyone . It’s a small step in the forward direction . FNP will need to Face Everything And Recover , it won’t happen overnight but they deserve the chance at a shot at improving their circumstances .
Positive changes will continue to happen regardless of the outcome.
To paint the sad picture that it’s the last hope is reckless and extreme.
burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Need a few more independents to speak up . https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1701801544843182339?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX...
Supa, the yes voters also use fear. The fear that this is the last hope for FNP which gets parroted by southern and co
Some of the Yes campaigners might genuinely have a fear that this is getting towards the last role of the dice for them, if the yes voice doesn’t get up it will be another kick in the teeth and their spirit will take a beating . For the majority of Australians nothing will change regardless of the outcome but for some reason there is a false belief that this will change everything for everyone . It’s a small step in the forward direction . FNP will need to Face Everything And Recover , it won’t happen overnight but they deserve the chance at a shot at improving their circumstances .
Positive changes will continue to happen regardless of the outcome.
To paint the sad picture that it’s the last hope is reckless and extreme.
I follow a fnp nurse on Twitter , she works the remote areas and sees firsthand what’s happening and not happening, this is the type of voice that can make a difference .
Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Need a few more independents to speak up . https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1701801544843182339?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX...
Supa, the yes voters also use fear. The fear that this is the last hope for FNP which gets parroted by southern and co
Some of the Yes campaigners might genuinely have a fear that this is getting towards the last role of the dice for them, if the yes voice doesn’t get up it will be another kick in the teeth and their spirit will take a beating . For the majority of Australians nothing will change regardless of the outcome but for some reason there is a false belief that this will change everything for everyone . It’s a small step in the forward direction . FNP will need to Face Everything And Recover , it won’t happen overnight but they deserve the chance at a shot at improving their circumstances .
Positive changes will continue to happen regardless of the outcome.
To paint the sad picture that it’s the last hope is reckless and extreme.
I follow a fnp nurse on Twitter , she works the remote areas and sees firsthand what’s happening and not happening, this is the type of voice that can make a difference .
Does she take the 15k grants from the Australian Government to promote the yes campaign?
If she doesn’t, I’m interested. If she does, I’m not interested.
If you don’t know, I’m going to assume she does.
The waters are muddy
burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Need a few more independents to speak up . https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1701801544843182339?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX...
Supa, the yes voters also use fear. The fear that this is the last hope for FNP which gets parroted by southern and co
Some of the Yes campaigners might genuinely have a fear that this is getting towards the last role of the dice for them, if the yes voice doesn’t get up it will be another kick in the teeth and their spirit will take a beating . For the majority of Australians nothing will change regardless of the outcome but for some reason there is a false belief that this will change everything for everyone . It’s a small step in the forward direction . FNP will need to Face Everything And Recover , it won’t happen overnight but they deserve the chance at a shot at improving their circumstances .
Positive changes will continue to happen regardless of the outcome.
To paint the sad picture that it’s the last hope is reckless and extreme.
I follow a fnp nurse on Twitter , she works the remote areas and sees firsthand what’s happening and not happening, this is the type of voice that can make a difference .
Does she take the 15k grants from the Australian Government to promote the yes campaign?
If she doesn’t, I’m interested. If she does, I’m not interested.
If you don’t know, I’m going to assume she does.
The waters are muddy
Have a look at her page and you can make up your own mind. https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1698273516356063531?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX... I don’t think the government pays anyone $15 gs , maybe yes23 does but I highly doubt the government does , glad to be proven wrong .
Supafreak wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw4WjW_L0hI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&...
Heres a quick clip of her @burleigh
burleigh wrote:Supafreak wrote:Need a few more independents to speak up . https://x.com/blaktruthbeck/status/1701801544843182339?s=46&t=5RczxwAfzX...
Supa, the yes voters also use fear. The fear that this is the last hope for FNP which gets parroted by southern and co
No no no no no.... it's the last major chance for positivity. The race card is firmly in the No camp...thats dumdum burleys problem, a small group of ppl (a socalled race) get special treatment.
Yes is inclusive, positive, open to possibilities... No is divisive, fearmongering, negative. It's really simple. Only dummies don't get it.
Supafreak wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw4WjW_L0hI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&...
Heres a quick clip of her @burleigh
She's using an obviously racist women to draw you in. Then saying the voice will benefit communities but not telling you how.
Plus i would almost guarantee she's claiming these 15k grants.
Sorry Supa, I like ya. But that clip did nothing for me.
Racism exists and i fucking hate it. It has no place in the voice discussion.
@burleigh , do you really believe the government is paying people $15 grand to promote the voice ? I know you’re voting no and nothing anyone says will change your mind . I voting yes and it’s good that we are both totally happy with our choice.
Supafreak wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw4WjW_L0hI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&...
Heres a quick clip of her @burleigh
She's that same one that you have shared before dissing Jacinta yeah.
All i can say is thank god we don't have smell O vision yet, i cant say ive ever been keen on the smell of dirty Nimbin type feral's.
Supafreak wrote:@burleigh , do you really believe the government is paying people $15 grand to promote the voice ? I know you’re voting no and nothing anyone says will change your mind . I voting yes and it’s good that we are both totally happy with our choice.
Yeah dont think individuals can get the $$$ but the yes campaign does pay up to 15K to groups or business to promote the voice.
Its been happening for months not working real well though.
"The yes campaign for the referendum will offer grants of up to $15,000 for a blitz of community functions supporting the Indigenous voice to parliament, in a bid to support thousands of events nationwide backing the change."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jun/26/indigenous-voice-...
Supa thanks for the nurses twitter link, super hero doing the work she does had the honor of meeting another Aboriginal nurse Teresa Isaac OA in Broome this year she had just retied in her 70's extortionary woman just like Beck.
Apologies to undecided Voters...forgot yer tune...
Undecided Voters hesitate to adopt Seekers song to silence Whispering Jack's Voice!
wiki : Aug / Sept Don't Know Voters are skyrocketing up the charts
Albo is thinking of switching to [?] Camp by claimin' Heaps of Voters are Yet to decide!
Leaving Yes / No camps in their Wake.
This week's Oz Reffo [?] Campaign tune straight in at #1..."Can't make up my Mind by The Seekers!"
AEC : Don't fancy eyeballing Dick Pics for the next week...have Launched a Counter Campaign Tune!
Like a Version! Rocketing up the charts..."Why won't you make Up your mind!"
southernraw wrote:Yep. Well said Harry. Especially about the farmer who's making coin off the land.
That's especially prevalent over here in the West. Got a few fb friends from my travels that own large properties throughout the state and they're doing the same 'bleating', posting that same narrative. Mostly in their 60s and 70s.
. Their farms are generational, passed down through the families so they're born into the asset, which more often than not, is rather juicy in dollar figures considering most of these farms are huge properties with high turnovers of grain or livestock.
Right back when indigenous crews land's were stolen off them by the original settlers starting these farms, indigenous people were criminalized, often with severe consequences, just for trying to get food off their traditional lands, which often could be the farmers cattle, as that was what remained on their lands.
I can imagine bad blood from the indigenous crew to this day for that, but from the fuckers that stole their land, it's disgusting.
It's the same as people like lowinfo. I think it's a guilt complex easier confronted by ignorance and shouting louder so as not to actually accept any responsibility for past injustices. The old 'i wasn't there so why should i be guilty' holds no substance when you have the ability right now, (especially with this upcoming vote) to make a postive change that, especially when viewed in history, can be seen as righting one of many wrongs.
Gotta start somewhere, and saying no is starting nowhere, and i'd say there's a deeper reason people want to vote no.
Yes voters now ridiculing farmers.
As for being born into an asset, have you heard of native title? Best estimates are that more than 50% of Australia’s land mass is indigenous owned or controlled. And farms don’t become profitable by accident. Here’s an example of what not to do - didn’t seem to get a lot of coverage at the time (mass cattle deaths on indigenous owned pastoral leases):
https://www.countryman.com.au/countryman/news/aboriginal-charity-and-eig...
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:Supafreak wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw4WjW_L0hI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&...
Heres a quick clip of her @burleigh
She's that same one that you have shared before dissing Jacinta yeah.
All i can say is thank god we don't have smell O vision yet, i cant say ive ever been keen on the smell of dirty Nimbin type feral's.
And there u have it... indo shows his true worth. Ugly human.
waveman wrote:southernraw wrote:Yep. Well said Harry. Especially about the farmer who's making coin off the land.
That's especially prevalent over here in the West. Got a few fb friends from my travels that own large properties throughout the state and they're doing the same 'bleating', posting that same narrative. Mostly in their 60s and 70s.
. Their farms are generational, passed down through the families so they're born into the asset, which more often than not, is rather juicy in dollar figures considering most of these farms are huge properties with high turnovers of grain or livestock.
Right back when indigenous crews land's were stolen off them by the original settlers starting these farms, indigenous people were criminalized, often with severe consequences, just for trying to get food off their traditional lands, which often could be the farmers cattle, as that was what remained on their lands.
I can imagine bad blood from the indigenous crew to this day for that, but from the fuckers that stole their land, it's disgusting.
It's the same as people like lowinfo. I think it's a guilt complex easier confronted by ignorance and shouting louder so as not to actually accept any responsibility for past injustices. The old 'i wasn't there so why should i be guilty' holds no substance when you have the ability right now, (especially with this upcoming vote) to make a postive change that, especially when viewed in history, can be seen as righting one of many wrongs.
Gotta start somewhere, and saying no is starting nowhere, and i'd say there's a deeper reason people want to vote no.Yes voters now ridiculing farmers.
As for being born into an asset, have you heard of native title? Best estimates are that more than 50% of Australia’s land mass is indigenous owned or controlled. And farms don’t become profitable by accident. Here’s an example of what not to do - didn’t seem to get a lot of coverage at the time (mass cattle deaths on indigenous owned pastoral leases):
https://www.countryman.com.au/countryman/news/aboriginal-charity-and-eig...
Another moron... most native title land is desert and unfarmable... no good for whitey. The good land got stolen real quick with hunts and mass killings and all sorts of whitey fun.
Jacinta @ Press Club
Q [L] Aboriginal Minister's Plan : "Endless Inquiries into Accountability into Aboriginal Structures!"
Q [L] Reffo : "Don't Know...I'm just a [L]ittle black woman servant with No Voice!"
Q [L] Constitutional Recognition : "Don't Know...I'm just a [L]ittle black woman servant with No Voice!"
Q [L] Dutto's Legislated Voice : "Don't Know...I'm just a [L]ittle black woman servant with No Voice!"
Sorry! Please feel free to correct tbb if any heard continual 'I don't knows' in less humiliating context.
Summary :
Lead [NO] Campaigner Shadow Aboriginal Minister constantly admits she has No Progressive Plan.
Jacinta has no Idea if Voice needs a Reffo or if it should be in the Constitution or be Legislated!
Jacinta says if you don't know then Vote with her as she knows nothing at about anything!
Nothing to report here...Again! As usual...more dark clouds gather!
Final Sitting Day...Albo finds his Voice (Live)
Uni assignment i did a few years ago. This is my take on things. I'm sure this will ruffle many feathers. I hope so.
Love Blue Diamond x
The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices
Introduction – Compensatory Justice
Disparities between the standards of living of humans on this planet have long been a part of our history on this planet. From the wealthy nations of the West to the developing and undeveloped nations on this globe, the diversity in the quality of life when viewed from a moral standpoint are without a doubt grossly unfair.
In this paper I will look at why historic injustices do require some form of reparation. I take a strong stance that we are more obliged to solve current injustices than to provide reparation for every act of injustice in the past. In doing this I will first investigate the historic injustice of the Aboriginal people of Australia and I will look at the argument that they are entitled to some form of reparation and why.
I will incoroporate some interesting views from Jeremy Waldron, Robert Nozick and others which will help me slowly build to my conclusion that reparation should be in the form of Non Indigenous Australians surrendering some of our priveleges as a form of reparation.
Historic Injustices to Indigenous Australians:
Australia the continent was well inhabited for many years long before white settlement. It is commonly known that in 1788 Australia was colonised as a country under the rule of the British Empire, with total contempt for the fact that it was already inhabited by a native indigenous race of people.
The way the original inhabitants have been treated, including forced assimilation, execution, stolen families and not even allowed to be recognised as citizens for a large part of white Australia’s history are also well known facts. (Poole, 1999,pp114-142)
There exists now a situation where there is a large divide between Aboriginal and non Aboriginal Australian’s that can be traced back to the moment Australia was invaded by English settlers and the brutal and unfair treatment that has followed.
So at this point now, in 2013 what is the just and fair way to make amends for past actions?
I would argue that a moderate to large amount of reparation is overdue for this nation of people, the Aboriginal people. But there are many challenges to this view point especially that of how much reparation, and what sort of compensation.
Past injustices or present suffering?
One of the questions raised in an issue like this is whether it is better to provide compensation or reparation for past deeds, which have already been done in a previous generation and cannot be changed, or whether it is better to now provide assistance to those who are suffering in their current situations and consider that as a form of moral duty.
To understand this we need to delve a little deeper into this issue and hear some differing viewpoints.
Firstly we need to understand what the best way to provide reparation. How do we judge what is the best way of giving back and how much? Jeremy Waldron states “The historic record has a fragility that consists, …in the sheer contingency of what happened in the past” (Waldron,1992,p5 )
This is saying that we can’t trace every single injustice back to the original act therefore reparation for every act would be almost impossible because it would ultimately be guess work.
In this statement he has an objection from Robert Nozick who believes it is in fact possible to address this problem by “changing the present so that it resembles how the past would have looked had the injustice not taken place” (McKenzie, 2013)
This would be a way to ultimately provide maximum reparation, but is it the correct approach? I believe this is a fairly radical approach, although it does have some merits in the fact it would be working in a positive way for indigenous people, I don’t think it is entirely the right way to deal with these issues but it is on the right track.
Waldron argues that it is based on too many unknowns. “The status of counterfactual reasoning about the exercising of human reasoning of human freedom is unclear”(Waldron 1993,p10)
Which leaves the question somewhat open about the sort of reparation that is required, but provides one clear answer to the key question. Both agree that yes, reparation to some extent is required. But how much and in what form?
Another philosopher who leans more towards Waldron’s views is Kymlicka. He is somewhat more straightforward in his assessment that property rights in particular for Aboriginals would create “massive unfairness” and also he maintains the argument “Aboriginal rights must be grounded in concerns about equality and contemporary disadvantage. (McKenzie, 2013) I agree with both these views but I don’t think they provide any active solutions.
The Solution?
So if its not handing back all of Australia’s land to the original inhabitants that is the most appropriate way to deal with past injustices, then what is?
I look at the current country I grew up in, as a white Australian. I ask myself why I never had Aboriginal friends growing up, no understanding of Aboriginal culture and why my basic understanding of Indigenous Australians is mostly 200 years old. I look at our flag, a symbol of a nation that stole a country from its original inhabitants, with no recognition of the Indigenous people at all on it. I see that Australia considered Indigenous people as less than people until only 40 years ago and I see the way that Indigenous Australians live a completely separate life to the way of life I know as an Australian. I see that the only indigenous politician I am aware of is a former Olympian and it is because of this fact of her sporting status that I know this. I see no collective power or representation of Indigenous Australians and I see non Indigenous Australians,( a culture built on a history of stealing a land and mistreating its people) still taking, taking as much out of this land as they can, with little to no regard of sharing or giving to the original inhabitants. I see a government that says lots of words about ‘closing the gap’ and bringing the living standards of non- indigenous and indigenous Australians closer together, but apart from nice words, there is no conviction, no follow through, just assimilation , and all that still remains are injustices.
As stated by Sparrow, “Continuity gives rise to responsibility on part of present generations of Australians for our history”.(McKenzie,2013). Although deeds happened in the past beyond our control, what we do now to either ignore, or rectify these issues will reflect on us in history. So if we choose to do nothing, we are contributing to the history of the mistreatment of non- indigenous Australians. And this is simply unacceptable in my opinion.
Conclusion
So what is fair? I believe that the way forward is a surrendering of some of our privileges as non- indigenous Australians. The simple fact is it was morally wrong without a doubt what has happened in the past. And it is also morally wrong without a doubt to ignore these facts and not offer some form of reparation in the present. But how much?
I think that going back to Robert Nozick’s argument is a start. I think Nozick is wrong to make the present resemble the past in every aspect. But I do think that it would be reasonable to restore some aspects of the way things should be. The things that happened in the past were out of our control and we can’t go back to changing the way things were. But we could change the way things are.
For some examples. Why not give at least 50% of political power to indigenous people? It surely would be a fair thing to do considering this is their country. Media control. 50 percent. Industry. Realestate. The list goes on. Why do we not acknowledge the indigenous people on our flag, or better still use their flag? Why is Australia still a part of the Commonwealth when it serves little purpose to any of us and serves as a constant reminder to Indigenous Australians that they are still controlled by the original invaders. These to me are fairly simple reparations that would have minimal impact on Australia as a whole. Perhaps, it would alter the way we live but I think it is our responsibility, morally to forfeit some of our privileges for the greater good. Basically a little bit goes a long way.
In closing, it is a fact that a huge injustice occurred to the Indigenous population and suffering continues to this day. There is no easy solution to such a burden of pain. I believe the only solutions are for the non- Indigenous population to take responsibility and sacrifice our own way of life to bring about an overall equality. Sacrifice is not an easy word. But it all comes down to right and wrong. We are in a position to give, in this current generation. What are we so scared to lose, that was never ours in the first place??
Bibliography
McKenzie,C.”Prof” (2013), Lecture, Historic Injustices and Indigenous Rights, Macquarie University
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28
References
Poole, R. (1999). Nation and Identity.Routledge, London, pp.114-142
Waldron,J. (1992). ‘Superseding Historic Injustice’. Ethics, 103 (1), 4-28