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Judge McCallum had told jurors at least 17 times that they should not conduct outside research. The direction was given in no uncertain terms every day of the trial, sometimes on multiple occasions- McCallum also revealed that a further two documents have since been found. They were brought in by the same juror
Jurors in the ACT cannot be punished for such misconduct.
From Guardian...
"Brittany Higgins makes first public statement since prosecution dropped
Former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins has commented on the impact the legal system has on people who come forward with sexual assault allegations.
The prosecution of a man alleged to have raped Higgins in Parliament House in 2019 was dropped this week due to concerns about her mental wellbeing.
The initial trial was aborted due to juror misconduct.
Bruce Lehrmann has always maintained his innocence, denying there was any sexual contact between the pair.
In her first public comments since the prosecution was dropped, Higgins said she never understood how asymmetrical the criminal justice system was until she spoke up.
In an Instagram post on Sunday morning Higgins said she had felt like the person on trial after having her private life, messages and data publicly exposed and scrutinised.
This is the reality of how complainants in sexual assault cases are treated.
Their lives are torn apart, their families and friends called to the witness stand and the accused has the legal right to say absolutely nothing.
Higgins said the criminal justice system failed to deliver outcomes for victims of sexual assault, citing that in the ACT during 2020, only 16% of sexual offences reported to police resulted in a charge.
Only half of those resulted in a conviction.
That is to our national shame. I want to thank the other women who came forward and shared their own experiences.
I believe you. You were with me every day I walked into that court room and faced him."
– AAP
yep YAWN
He is still an innocent man…all the talk is about Higgins state of mind. I struggle with the fact that she is the accuser, his life is destroyed also yet he is at this stage innocent of all charges, surely as she was the accuser he should be able to demand the case proceeds to give him the option of a not guilty verdict?
Lawyers for former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins have given notice that they will sue former Liberal ministers Linda Reynolds and Michaelia Cash as well as the Commonwealth for about $3 million. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/brittany-higgins-seeking-3-milli...
Roadkill wrote:He is still an innocent man…all the talk is about Higgins state of mind. I struggle with the fact that she is the accuser, his life is destroyed also yet he is at this stage innocent of all charges, surely as she was the accuser he should be able to demand the case proceeds to give him the option of a not guilty verdict?
I havent really been following this too much, but yeah if the guy is innocent it kinda sucks for him having his name dragged through the mud, I don't know if he would want to have the case proceed though even if he really is innocent as there is always a risk he could be found guilty.
It's like the whole Hawthorn footy coach thing and allegations of racism, even if not found true many wont believe and the damage is already done.
The police never turn up at my place investigating car thefts, one because I don’t steal cars and two I don’t hang around car thieves. Something to ponder when people are being investigated/prosecuted.
Roadkill wrote:He is still an innocent man…all the talk is about Higgins state of mind. I struggle with the fact that she is the accuser, his life is destroyed also yet he is at this stage innocent of all charges, surely as she was the accuser he should be able to demand the case proceeds to give him the option of a not guilty verdict?
The tone of your posts imply that you think Brittany Higgins is lying. Seeing as research has consistently suggested that only 2 to 5 percent of sexual assault reports are false, and that she would have been under no assumption that that going through with the allegations would be both anything but public and painful, I suggest you have a little rethink about how you use your words.
Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:He is still an innocent man…all the talk is about Higgins state of mind. I struggle with the fact that she is the accuser, his life is destroyed also yet he is at this stage innocent of all charges, surely as she was the accuser he should be able to demand the case proceeds to give him the option of a not guilty verdict?
The tone of your posts imply that you think Brittany Higgins is lying. Seeing as research has consistently suggested that only 2 to 5 percent of sexual assault reports are false, and that she would have been under no assumption that that going through with the allegations would be both anything but public and painful, I suggest you have a little rethink about how you use your words.
The tone of your post suggest you think she is not lying.
His guilt is not up to you or me to decide. Innocent until proven guilty is our system. As at this stage he has no guilty verdict thus he is innocent.
Roadkill wrote:He is still an innocent man…all the talk is about Higgins state of mind. I struggle with the fact that she is the accuser, his life is destroyed also yet he is at this stage innocent of all charges, surely as she was the accuser he should be able to demand the case proceeds to give him the option of a not guilty verdict?
Innocent by the law ....... In reality maybe, maybe not ...
Why would victim make it up??? Attention?
Anyway whole situation is incredibly sad.
Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:He is still an innocent man…all the talk is about Higgins state of mind. I struggle with the fact that she is the accuser, his life is destroyed also yet he is at this stage innocent of all charges, surely as she was the accuser he should be able to demand the case proceeds to give him the option of a not guilty verdict?
The tone of your posts imply that you think Brittany Higgins is lying. Seeing as research has consistently suggested that only 2 to 5 percent of sexual assault reports are false, and that she would have been under no assumption that that going through with the allegations would be both anything but public and painful, I suggest you have a little rethink about how you use your words.
The tone of your post suggest you think she is not lying.
His guilt is not up to you or me to decide. Innocent until proven guilty is our system. As at this stage he has no guilty verdict thus he is innocent.
Asinine and predictable response.
andy-mac wrote:Roadkill wrote:He is still an innocent man…all the talk is about Higgins state of mind. I struggle with the fact that she is the accuser, his life is destroyed also yet he is at this stage innocent of all charges, surely as she was the accuser he should be able to demand the case proceeds to give him the option of a not guilty verdict?
Innocent by the law ....... In reality maybe, maybe not ...
Why would victim make it up??? Attention?
Anyway whole situation is incredibly sad.
See my post above. Sorry Andy that one was for roadkill.
soggydog wrote:andy-mac wrote:Roadkill wrote:He is still an innocent man…all the talk is about Higgins state of mind. I struggle with the fact that she is the accuser, his life is destroyed also yet he is at this stage innocent of all charges, surely as she was the accuser he should be able to demand the case proceeds to give him the option of a not guilty verdict?
Innocent by the law ....... In reality maybe, maybe not ...
Why would victim make it up??? Attention?
Anyway whole situation is incredibly sad.See my post above. Sorry Andy that one was for roadkill.
All good.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/04/brittany-higgins-...
Last paragraph talks about accused seeking legal advice. Somewhere I read it was mentioned that he may sue Higgins for defamation. My very limited understanding is if this was the case she could use 'truth' defence which is easier to prove than find 'guilty beyond reasonable doubt' in criminal case. Anyone out there with legal background ??
The accused would want to be very confident in his innocence if to take this option I would think.
Additionally, Higgins previous employer really treated he disgracefully considering her situation. Remember this alleged incident took place in a minister's office and the way it was handled was strange. Office being ordered to be cleaned, Info re case handed to Dutton etc
BL born in Texas - A Dual Aust Citizen ...So Conviction for Rape would mean Deportation after serving his Sentence ?
soggydog wrote:The police never turn up at my place investigating car thefts, one because I don’t steal cars and two I don’t hang around car thieves. Something to ponder when people are being investigated/prosecuted.
Thats a very silly comparison.
Most of us here id expect have probably had nothing to do with car thefts or car thieves or those circles or even had our car stolen there is almost no chance of police knocking on our door on this issue
But im betting most of us at some stage of our lifes have had sex while drunk with someone other than a regular partner who is also drunk often just a one night stand.
While its rare for women to lie about rape, it does happen most us could be in a similar situation if we did happen to sleep with some screwed up chick.
BTW. Im not saying he isn't guilty just saying its a silly comparison.
My former brother in law was accused of rape by a Chinese woman he brought over through one of the internet sites. I have no idea how they work but she lived with him on some sort of visa. Didn`t work out so she had to leave the country due to not living with him anymore.
Went to the police and accused him of rape. Luckily for him she had some female issues which required medical attention of which he paid for. Receipt and dates for these medical attendances proved rape wasn't possible.
Reason for accusation of rape was she would then not have to leave the country due to court proceedings etc.
Not stating this has anything to do with Higgins but it does happen.
andy-mac wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/03/right-to-be-scare...
Really should be some kind of investigation how this occurred in Parliament House. Who knew what and when, and the process of reporting. I remember how the room where the alleged incident occurred was ordered to be immediately cleaned.
Geez the situation is sad and frightening.
What’s frightening is the number of people who prejudged this case and sided with Higgins. This was a question for a jury. Now Drumgold’s impartiality also being questioned.
Many seem to forget that Higgins went to the media prior to formally giving police interview. She created the media circus.
oxrox wrote:My former brother in law was accused of rape by a Chinese woman he brought over through one of the internet sites. I have no idea how they work but she lived with him on some sort of visa. Didn`t work out so she had to leave the country due to not living with him anymore.
Went to the police and accused him of rape. Luckily for him she had some female issues which required medical attention of which he paid for. Receipt and dates for these medical attendances proved rape wasn't possible.
Reason for accusation of rape was she would then not have to leave the country due to court proceedings etc.
Not stating this has anything to do with Higgins but it does happen.
Always astounds me how many men will bring up anecdotes like this, but never bother mentioning that they know several women that have been sexually assaulted (we all do), that never reported it and/or weren't believed.
Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
indo-dreaming wrote:soggydog wrote:The police never turn up at my place investigating car thefts, one because I don’t steal cars and two I don’t hang around car thieves. Something to ponder when people are being investigated/prosecuted.
Thats a very silly comparison.
Most of us here id expect have probably had nothing to do with car thefts or car thieves or those circles or even had our car stolen there is almost no chance of police knocking on our door on this issue
But im betting most of us at some stage of our lifes have had sex while drunk with someone other than a regular partner who is also drunk often just a one night stand.
While its rare for women to lie about rape, it does happen most us could be in a similar situation if we did happen to sleep with some screwed up chick.
BTW. Im not saying he isn't guilty just saying its a silly comparison.
What I’m saying is that people don’t get investigated, much less prosecuted unless there is substantial evidence to support the prosecution. Think of the millions of drunk hookups that happen, something pretty bad has to happen for a rape accusation to arise, then the statistics on those that are reported then prosecuted are very low.. the Public Prosecutor also thought there where enough suspicious car parts found to prosecute.
So it’s not a silly statement. And coming from you Indo. Pot……kettle, blah blah blah.
oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
Front page protection post.
Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
We are talking about a specific case…you keep trying to introduce stats that are irrelevant to an individual case.
You would be weeded out of jury duty in the first round as you inability to concentrate on the one case is obvious.
Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
We are talking about a specific case…you keep trying to introduce stats that are irrelevant to an individual case.
You would be weeded out of jury duty in the first round as you inability to concentrate on the one case is obvious.
Oh no, I'd be weeded out of Lycra Man's hypothetical jury duty! By that measure, so would oxrox. I wonder why it's only me you're focusing on though? Let me guess. It's cos you vote conservative, and are invested in the patriarchy.
I have 2 daughters, both have been sexually molested. The worst case was
(20 year old) grabbed on her butt at Brisbane train station. She rang us we told her to report it to the station which she did. They took details and had a walk around with her to see if she could identify the old perv that did it..nothing further happened. She works part time at Coles and always has old men making stupid comments to her…it happens all the time.
Sadly for females the above is nothing new.
Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
We are talking about a specific case…you keep trying to introduce stats that are irrelevant to an individual case.
You would be weeded out of jury duty in the first round as you inability to concentrate on the one case is obvious.
Oh no, I'd be weeded out of Lycra Man's hypothetical jury duty! By that measure, so would oxrox. I wonder why it's only me you're focusing on though? Let me guess. It's cos you vote conservative, and are invested in the patriarchy.
Gawd, what a dickhead. Carry on :)
Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
We are talking about a specific case…you keep trying to introduce stats that are irrelevant to an individual case.
You would be weeded out of jury duty in the first round as you inability to concentrate on the one case is obvious.
Oh no, I'd be weeded out of Lycra Man's hypothetical jury duty! By that measure, so would oxrox. I wonder why it's only me you're focusing on though? Let me guess. It's cos you vote conservative, and are invested in the patriarchy.
Gawd, what a dickhead. Carry on :)
Splendid retort from a consistently foolish fool.
Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
We are talking about a specific case…you keep trying to introduce stats that are irrelevant to an individual case.
You would be weeded out of jury duty in the first round as you inability to concentrate on the one case is obvious.
Oh no, I'd be weeded out of Lycra Man's hypothetical jury duty! By that measure, so would oxrox. I wonder why it's only me you're focusing on though? Let me guess. It's cos you vote conservative, and are invested in the patriarchy.
Gawd, what a dickhead. Carry on :)
Splendid retort from a consistently foolish fool.
In a serious discussion, the best you can offer is asinine (to use your word) posts from the sideline.
Clever stuff, Hiccups, I bet you feel proud of yourself.
Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
How is calling out one sided anecdotes that add nothing but even more distrust of women to those susceptible, asinine? Hint: It's not.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
We are talking about a specific case…you keep trying to introduce stats that are irrelevant to an individual case.
You would be weeded out of jury duty in the first round as you inability to concentrate on the one case is obvious.
Oh no, I'd be weeded out of Lycra Man's hypothetical jury duty! By that measure, so would oxrox. I wonder why it's only me you're focusing on though? Let me guess. It's cos you vote conservative, and are invested in the patriarchy.
Gawd, what a dickhead. Carry on :)
Splendid retort from a consistently foolish fool.
In a serious discussion, the best you can offer is asinine (to use your word) posts from the sideline.
Clever stuff, Hiccups, I bet you feel proud of yourself.
How is calling out one sided anecdotes that encourage more distrust in women from those susceptible to such chatter, asinine? Hint: It's not.
Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:Roadkill wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
How is calling out one sided anecdotes that add nothing but even more distrust of women to those susceptible, asinine? Hint: It's not.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
We are talking about a specific case…you keep trying to introduce stats that are irrelevant to an individual case.
You would be weeded out of jury duty in the first round as you inability to concentrate on the one case is obvious.
Oh no, I'd be weeded out of Lycra Man's hypothetical jury duty! By that measure, so would oxrox. I wonder why it's only me you're focusing on though? Let me guess. It's cos you vote conservative, and are invested in the patriarchy.
Gawd, what a dickhead. Carry on :)
Splendid retort from a consistently foolish fool.
In a serious discussion, the best you can offer is asinine (to use your word) posts from the sideline.
Clever stuff, Hiccups, I bet you feel proud of yourself.How is calling out one sided anecdotes that encourage more distrust in women from those susceptible to such chatter, asinine? Hint: It's not.
This is how the old "women lie about being raped" line/massive exaggeration gets perpetuated. People don't call it out, and things never change.
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Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
Yeah Hiccups, the context part if I need to spell it out for you, is the recent comments are about a high profile rape case. There is context with my comment.
Next part of context was a comment by soggydog above relating to car theft and if you are being investigated for said theft you are highly likely, or are, a car thief. Obviously inferring that if you are being investigated for rape, you are highly likely, or are a rapist.
I used the example of my former brother in law as an example of someone investigated for rape being innocent.
All in context with this page's discussion. You my friend are the one out of context with your comments.
I can asssure you I don't bring up my former brother in law's unfortunate situation in general discussion. In fact, I had completely forgotten about it until soggydog's comment.
I have 3 young adult daughters whom I worship the ground they walk on. So you can fuck off with your generalisations.
An interesting opinion piece:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/don-t-judge-the-legal-system-for-sorry-s...
oxrox wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
Yeah Hiccups, the context part if I need to spell it out for you, is the recent comments are about a high profile rape case. There is context with my comment.
Next part of context was a comment by soggydog above relating to car theft and if you are being investigated for said theft you are highly likely, or are, a car thief. Obviously inferring that if you are being investigated for rape, you are highly likely, or are a rapist.
I used the example of my former brother in law as an example of someone investigated for rape being innocent.
All in context with this page's discussion. You my friend are the one out of context with your comments.
I can asssure you I don't bring up my former brother in law's unfortunate situation in general discussion. In fact, I had completely forgotten about it until soggydog's comment.
I have 3 young adult daughters whom I worship the ground they walk on. So you can fuck off with your generalisations.
And your anecdote proves my point. Your brother no matter the accusation was innocent so nothing to investigate/prosecute, so the case was dropped. On the other hand in the case we are discussing the public prosecutor was presented with enough evidence to make a compelling case against the defendant. Confident of a conviction.
My comment holds water.
Oxrox, women will often keep it to themselves, so even though you don’t think you know anyone who’s been subject to unwanted sexual harassment, you very well may.
All well and good soggydog and I wasn' t having a crack at you but we are talking about a rape case, not sexual harassment.
It's not for me or you for that matter to judge whether the prosecution had the evidence to prosecute or not. Neither you or I were present at the hearing or at the crime scene so I'm unsure where you are coming from.
As I stated in my last paragraph in my original post re my former brother in law, my comments were not directed towards the rape case at hand but was a general discussion point after your car thief comments.
With regards to your comments re women not talking about sexual harassment. Yes I agree. I haven't had my head in the ground all these years. The discussion is not about sexual harassment in general but about a specific high profile rape case.
soggydog wrote:oxrox wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
Yeah Hiccups, the context part if I need to spell it out for you, is the recent comments are about a high profile rape case. There is context with my comment.
Next part of context was a comment by soggydog above relating to car theft and if you are being investigated for said theft you are highly likely, or are, a car thief. Obviously inferring that if you are being investigated for rape, you are highly likely, or are a rapist.
I used the example of my former brother in law as an example of someone investigated for rape being innocent.
All in context with this page's discussion. You my friend are the one out of context with your comments.
I can asssure you I don't bring up my former brother in law's unfortunate situation in general discussion. In fact, I had completely forgotten about it until soggydog's comment.
I have 3 young adult daughters whom I worship the ground they walk on. So you can fuck off with your generalisations.And your anecdote proves my point. Your brother no matter the accusation was innocent so nothing to investigate/prosecute, so the case was dropped. On the other hand in the case we are discussing the public prosecutor was presented with enough evidence to make a compelling case against the defendant. Confident of a conviction.
My comment holds water.
Oxrox, women will often keep it to themselves, so even though you don’t think you know anyone who’s been subject to unwanted sexual harassment, you very well may.
The most senior police officer on the case didn’t think there was enough evidence to make a compelling case for a conviction.
Roadkill wrote:soggydog wrote:oxrox wrote:Hiccups wrote:oxrox wrote:Maybe for context. I actually don't know any women who have been raped. Or maybe they haven't told me. Maybe you shouldn't be including the (we all do) into your comment. Getting pathetic isn't it.
So around 25% of Australian women have experienced some form of sexual assault, but we better hear about one of the comparatively tiny cases of a false rape statement that you know about, "for context". I agree. It is pathetic.
Yeah Hiccups, the context part if I need to spell it out for you, is the recent comments are about a high profile rape case. There is context with my comment.
Next part of context was a comment by soggydog above relating to car theft and if you are being investigated for said theft you are highly likely, or are, a car thief. Obviously inferring that if you are being investigated for rape, you are highly likely, or are a rapist.
I used the example of my former brother in law as an example of someone investigated for rape being innocent.
All in context with this page's discussion. You my friend are the one out of context with your comments.
I can asssure you I don't bring up my former brother in law's unfortunate situation in general discussion. In fact, I had completely forgotten about it until soggydog's comment.
I have 3 young adult daughters whom I worship the ground they walk on. So you can fuck off with your generalisations.And your anecdote proves my point. Your brother no matter the accusation was innocent so nothing to investigate/prosecute, so the case was dropped. On the other hand in the case we are discussing the public prosecutor was presented with enough evidence to make a compelling case against the defendant. Confident of a conviction.
My comment holds water.
Oxrox, women will often keep it to themselves, so even though you don’t think you know anyone who’s been subject to unwanted sexual harassment, you very well may.
The most senior police officer on the case didn’t think there was enough evidence to make a compelling case for a conviction.
I wonder if this case stands alone as an extraordinary mess. It seems like parliament is a workplace that operates well out of the bounds of accountability and responsibility experienced by most professional environments, so when something like this happens it can only end up a complete mess.
Yeah oxrox I was toning down the language using sexual harassment, probably should have had a “/assault/rape.”added to it.
I just read that too RK.
And it would seem the legalities are just beginning for the central players as well as a few satellite actors.
When it comes to scams or rorts , this blokes name always seems to pop up . Just another witch hunt ? https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/12/04/stuart-robert-covid-...
Supafreak wrote:When it comes to scams or rorts , this blokes name always seems to pop up . Just another witch hunt ? https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/12/04/stuart-robert-covid-...
Brother Stuey ...
An LNP star!
Here's "Stuart Robert's litany of transgressions", as of four years ago.
Including "home internet charges" of $62,814 for the previous ten years, despite being located only 15km from Surfers Paradise.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/stuart-robert...
thermalben wrote:Here's "Stuart Robert's litany of transgressions", as of four years ago.
Including "home internet charges" of $62,814 for the previous ten years, despite being located only 15km from Surfers Paradise.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/stuart-robert...
ICAC....
Wonder what would come up in last 4 years????
Who’s the hot favourite to front up first to an ICAC ? morriscum, brother stuey or angus ? I hope they don’t drag things out like publishing the findings of any future ICAC , glady’s findings seems to have just disappeared , maybe they don’t want to spoil her xmas . I actually didn’t mind glady’s , she seemed to get pushed around a bit towards the end of her political career.
I would think Angus Taylor would be no. 1 purely down to the Cayman Island incident and the amount of money involved, maybe he is innocent, but whole thing stinks? Brother Stuey in close second place and then Scomo. Saying that Scotty probably has the rat cunning to have distanced himself from any technical illegal activities and will have others go down for him. Joyce with water deals etc should get a look in as well. Geez who knows, just hope it does happen and it doesn't not turn into a limp lettuce fiasco.
Reckon there are a few in LNP who are concerned!!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-05/brian-houston-court-hears-victim-... 'I was paid for my silence': Court hears Hillsong founder Brian Houston's father gave money to alleged victim
Supafreak wrote:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-05/brian-houston-court-hears-victim-... 'I was paid for my silence': Court hears Hillsong founder Brian Houston's father gave money to alleged victim
A Weasley excuse from Houston. The apple didn’t fall far
Id like to know if Brian Houston did make this statement,
"He said to me this is all your fault ... you tempted my father," what did Houston mean by this ? That a 7 year old seduced his nonce father ?
Dutton.....
https://m.
Supafreak wrote:Id like to know if Brian Houston did make this statement,
"He said to me this is all your fault ... you tempted my father," what did Houston mean by this ? That a 7 year old seduced his nonce father ?
That would be the logic..... Satan tempted me...
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.