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Sickaz don't take the Nazi insults to heart, I've noticed it's the new trending insult to try to shut people up, i guess many of the others insults like calling anyone racist or biggot etc if you don't agree with them have lost their bite, not sure what will be used in a few years.

I did Nazi that coming.

So 94,000 covid cases in the USA today and Trump says they are turning a corner and he's sick of people talking about it.
What a shit show.
Anyone supporting this bloke is fucked in the head.

Has anyone here contemplated the Democrats winning both houses yet?
No-one can ever loose the presidency as good as me, it was a big, big, beautiful thing.
The United Gulags of America.

"Here is a great little article. You might be able to spot a few of the "up yours" traits described by the author in blowin, indo, sickaz etc.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/31/australias-right-..."

Vaguely interesting but the idea that it was the right who were opposing 5G, vaccinations and Bill Gates is pure bullshit.

The final sentence - "The job of fighting everything can never be completed" applies equally to the left.

For me, the real issue to explore is why people across the board are so angry, mistrustful, paranoid and easily led.

But for a start, the "outrage industry", which certainly includes The Guardian, would have little interest in honestly exploring those issues.

So true Andy.

So true Andy.

Wish it was so obvious to everyone.

As it is, we continue to get taken up the wrong'un (so to speak) and there's barely a major media outlet that wants to look at the bigger picture.

Trump hot wires 100,000 "False [-] Tests" for United Airlines to bust open Hawaii!
Leads to 1,100 Hawaii outbreak / lockdown, but zero cases thru the Airport Tests?

Honolulu Airport cured Covid = Zero Cases / 100,000 people! A miracle?
Shift all the world's elderly into International Airports...(Rapid Tests cured Covid!)

Trump restores WHO $760m for 150 million Gate's 3rd world [+] Rapid Tests.
WHO nominates Trump for Peace prize after offering Free [+] Tests to Black People.
https://s.abcnews.com/images/Politics/200330_abcnl_whb_test._hpMain_16x9...

Each Republican Governor chooses his Ballot Hot Spot to isolate with [+] Tests.
1 [+] case isolates all fellow College & Aged Care Black Voters for 14 days.
Each Black College is required to test every student & staff repeatedly...(bingo!)
Start with Wealthy Black Colleges so they're free to cast their votes.
Republicans Gov's hand tests to poor colleges to timely isolate their right to vote!
Fake [+] result isolates poor Black People from posting votes or visiting booths.

Trump's Black / Hispanic / Indian Poll Quarantine Itinerary.
Week Oct 26.Trump handed out (WHO / Gates) Fake [+] Tests to these States...
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/distribution-of-abbott-binaxnow-...

(Now) In exact same week "Every" Record High [+] Case" is on "Fake [+] List".
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/30/world/covid-19-coronavirus-updates
Republican Governors are spreading Fake Covid to lock out Black / Hispanic Voters.

Big Pharm / WHO / Gates / Airlines / Trump are Faking Rapid Tests to suit agenda.

Borderline Herd immunity (WHO: Recommend Bill's dud False Negative Tests)
Open International Flights (WHO: Recommend Bill's dud False Negative Tests)
Mass Election Quarantine (WHO: Recommend Bill's dud XL False Positive Tests)

Trump: "WHO's funding is restored! Pleasure doing business with you Bill."
Bill : 'Made a killing! Was costing me a fortune dumping that shit on the 3rd World'.

10,000's of dead bodies pile up behind them...Team USA above & beyond!

I am getting so sick of being labelled right wing by people on here who can’t seem to actually comprehend that what I have written is not an endorsement of Trump.

I hate the Current state of the DNC. I want them to get their shit together so The US could move past Trump’s stain with a party that has even half a strain of credibility. Trump/Biden are as bad as each other. The DNC had some excellent candidates in the primaries and what do we get Biden/Harris, Jesus Christ. Couple that with the big tech Silicon Valley monopoly, censorship, and their Elitist establishment makes me think that actually, the DNC is the worst of two seriously bad options. That is my rational in a nutshell.

Imagine if we had a Bernie Sanders/Tulsi Gabbard vs Ted Cruz/Dan Crenshaw election (I know it a fantasy). Two teams with vision, courage, and intelligence in spades. That would be an election. But it’s a dream. What is not a dream is The DNC could have run with Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard or Pete Buttigieg if there establishment had allowed it. Endorsement of Biden by Congressman Jim Clyburn helped too I admit. But they run with Biden, and Harris. It’s BS.

I you want me to list what I hate about Trump, sure. He is narcissistic, Machiavellian, unpredictable. He uses Twitter FFS. His management of the Covid pandemic has been terrible. He is crass, he is decisive, he hold massive rallies during a pandemic. I get it.

I keep writing it down explicitly. What do I have to do to get the message through to you guys. Seriously. This preachy, we know best, you are just a victim of right wing narrative BS makes you guys look foolish and blinkered, not me.

Only two people who have directly referenced me have actually addressed what I have written without insulting me, or putting up some rubbish PARTISAN links to justify themselves, and offer something from their own brain. Those people are Etarip and Rabbit. We might disagree on some things but I respect you guys and keep up the good work.

And Andy if you think Mark Latham, or his politics is something I look up to, why? you could not be further from the truth.

Sickaz, that quote and article was originally posted by Vic Local yesterday.

its about a fuckwit billionaire who flirts with fake nazis

versus a heap of fuckwit billionaires, who have facillitated real racial supremacists, real concentration camps, real slaves, real dictatorial behaviour, gross society wide censorship, and undermining of democracy

pretty clear to me who's closer to nazi

you facto

you and your little lobotomised lapdog vicloacal

but carry on

Im sure you think you've got something good to offer, ...you just won't tell us...

yeh sure, I'll vote for that

ppfffffffffff

delusional beyond belief

delusional deranged and broken

Sicko - As Facto’s reply tells you , these crew don’t care what you really think or believe, they just want to create irritation and willingly misinterpret and misrepresent everything you say to achieve this goal.

Failing that they’ll just straight out antagonise and insult you . Witness Facto’s post above ; no attempt at reason or meeting a common viewpoint. After insulting you he’s chosen to ignore the reason for your anger and attack you from another direction.

This cringeworthy garbage has brought Swellnet so low that it’s almost not worth commenting anymore as everything and anything you say will result in the type of stupid trolling you’ve been subjected to.

No one thinks you’re a Nazi , mate.

+1

The saddest thing about many Anti Trumpers is that their political stance has forced them to abandon many positions they’d previously have held as non negotiable. For sure there is a fair bit of this which accompanies those who support the IDEA of Trump as a protest and a foil to the unrelenting forces which are undermining western societies but I think the degree of compromise is quite different.

If you are Anti Trump you are now quite possibly Pro the forces which have been subjugating America and the world for the past half century at least.

Here’s a voice of reason:

yep, they've compromised every moral, position, and principle they've ever had, all in a single bloody minded effort to get trump

for anyone with a memory better than a goldfish, that's some serious compromising of credibility

what I want to know is, who puts these 'contraints' on the guardian he talks of that made him leave the organisation?

as greenwald said, it is this unholy coalition that has formed that are the authoritarians, obsessed with ultimate power and censorship, ...rather 'nazi' like if you will...

and that is a way bigger long term danger than anything trump can do

Blowin announces ridiculous opinion then invokes renowned bullshit artist Tucker Carlson for backup. Thus failing miserably in his attempt to have his argument hold water.

100,000 infections today, and that means more medical professionals will die in the weeks and months to come.
When Trump got Covid, he got world class tax payer funded medical treatment.
After doctors saved his life, the Orange Lunatic takes the biggest dump ever on medical professionals by claiming (with zero evidence) that they are inflating Covid death numbers for financial gain. There is still a huge PPE shortage in the USA because Trump and his admin have dropped the ball and claim they have "turned a corner".
Meanwhile Trump keeps holding super spreader events in states with soaring infection rates.
What an arsehole. (and you blokes think the democrats are more dangerous).

you need to think a bit harder than your little personal trauma for today monorail

sypkan, you might want to think a little harder about the lethal ethical and moral failings of a lunatic president and his enablers.

Talking to my bro in Texas yesterday he was saying you can't buy guns nor ammunition because they're all sold out! He thinks things may get out of hand, no matter what the election result.
Saying that he isn't too worried because he owns at least a dozen handguns plus an array of semi and automatic assault rifles (go figure) with plenty of ammo.

Gotta love the US of A

san Guine, I have a bunch of Australian born friends who are long term residents (citizens) in the USA. Plenty of them have come back to Oz to visit friends and family at the moment. They are really worried about post election violence.
While I don't think a full scale civil war is on the cards, I can definitely see a bunch of heavily armed "hero" freedom fighters not taking a Trump loss well.

I dislike people being constantly labelled a nazi or racist, it’s no way to engage anyone in a proper discussion, however, it is more than a little disingenuous of some here to complain about being not taken seriously in forums. While personal opinion is important proffering an argument against accepted facts or science is a shortcut to ridicule. Facts should matter to both sides and in the ideal world form solid common ground.

ok guy, facts...

is it hunter's laptop?

does it have some compromising material?

is it worth reporting?

"“Me first & the gimme gimmes. The under-educated & over-mortgaged. Downward envying, forelock tuggers. The petty bourgeoisie”

Blowback?"

I don't know why you'd even suggest that when all evidence would state otherwise

just confirming, ...again, ...you are wrong about everything

the people in that quote are more your people if anything

Facto I have two degrees, industrial design and viticulture/oenology so you can throw away that uneducated argument.

Hey VL,
I agree I don't think a civil war is on the cards, but post election, there will be a lot of disgruntled, armed individuals with an "axe to grind". I think we need to be very mindful of what Trump says (win or lose) to his base and if baits The Dems.
It makes me appreciate how we are very fortunate that we live in a country that not only has strict gun control but also has a political system that tends to be less febrile, where the political results (win or lose) are respected.
It's also great to have a surfing forum like Swellnet, where we can voice our political views, but let's all remember to play the ball not the man!

Saying that though I think that many of the people that work with their hands, and brains out in the vineyards, many don’t have tertiary qualifications and are often smarter than the ‘educated’ qualified people the work for. Many of them can easily pick a hole in a media article, and spot the bias in, for example an ABC news clip covering the US election.

I keep my opinions close to my chest at work for obvious reasons, and I don’t lead conversations about the election in the field that’s for sure. But I am constantly amazed by the amazing clarity of thought, productivity, and ability to see through nonsense of some of my ‘under-educated’ workmates.

Let’s just agree no corrupt person should hold public office Sypkan. All the more reason the world needs a strong judiciary and legal system and here in Australia a Federal ICAC. Just on that political conservatives were once the fiercest defenders of the law, convention and other pillars of our society something I don’t see these days, in fact I see the opposite indicating the shift to the far right but you may not agree with that yourself.

"ok guy, facts...

is it hunter's laptop?

does it have some compromising material?

is it worth reporting?"

Um, they're questions not facts.

You of the Trump escaped impeachment unscathed, so therefore he's not guilty persuasion may want to look at yourself here. LOADS of people have been looking into Hunter Biden yet appear to have uncovered very little if not fuck all. Apply the same standards and you may have to give some benefit of the doubt.

If you think you’re somehow more qualified to discuss any topic on Earth based on sitting in a classroom for a few years when you were in your late teens / early twenties then you are deluding yourself.

If you weren’t able to think critically before university then there’s a very , very good chance you won’t be able to think critically upon leaving university.

The whole “ uneducated “ label is just another false distinction to be used in the class war. The fake left live and die by it. They’re Star bellied sneeches looking for an excuse to delegitimise someone with a differing opinion for the most part.

Unless you’re learning a specific skill and / or STEM subject then you’re generally kidding yourself if you think a uni degree greatly enhances your natural thinking ability.

Here’s a question :

What level of corruption would it take for a federal LNP frontbencher to get sacked under Morrison ?

I think the main issue with Hunter Biden’s laptop is the censorship and media suppression of the story. Being able to report credible allegations of corruption and influence peddling, especially that of a presidential candidate, should not be suppressed given the credibility of the claims. There is a huge double standard if you compare Hunter Biden’s laptop media suppression to Trumps guilty as charged media frenzy over Russian collusion coming up to, and after the 2016 election. I am not saying Trump should not have been investigated or reported in the press. Just pointing out the double standard.

Twitter censorship of the NY post stories, Glen Greenwald’s suppression at Intercept news (which he Co founded and had editorial immunity written into his contract) and Bret Weinstein’s (started the Unity 2020 movement) blocking on Twitter and Facebook shows a huge disregard for the sanctity of free speech and makes Biden look guilty IMO.

If the claims are so obviously bogus, print them out, share them around, surely they would help Biden’s campaign and make the Trump Loving media outlets look desperate. Don’t say it’s because the American public is too dumb to spot the difference between truth and lies because that would be akin to racism. Also don’t call the HB story propaganda without admitting first that the DNC favouring media and tech companies have been engaging in publishing or promoting articles with either no evidence, or unsubstantiated accusations incessantly For the last four years at least.

Facto how about adding something to the debate. An idea perhaps.

Ha ha Sickaz, no chance whatsoever ever Facto is only here to troll, see Blowin's post above.

He is fragile and insecure actually sharing a proper view or opinion that he has actually thought up himself would mean becoming vulnerable to criticism, much easier and safer to share others views like a link or quote or attack others views or just mock them etc.

that's just asserting the facts hiccups, so one can advance from partisan swiping

the facts are, it is hunter's laptop, and it does have compromising material, both in a dirty money corruption kind of way, but also in a dirty biden 'kompromat' kind of way... ironically enough...

and the fbi have been investigating the contents of the hard drive for months, about money laundering amongst other dirty things it would seem

but once again, we didn't hear about that...

but yeh the big issue is the media censorship like sickaz says, not just censorship, but outright suppresion of the story, its disgraceful and an absolute perversion of the democratic process. its third world dictator shit

but ironically enough

again...

it's you that's all fired up alex jones irrational, wigging out all hostile and shit, freaking about the possible end of your little fake left facist dream.. again... and I really couldn't give two shits who wins on tuesday, totally indifferent

@Blowin asks " What level of corruption would it take for a federal LNP frontbencher to get sacked under Morrison ?"

Its not the level of corruption that gets you sacked in the LNP it's getting caught or being the one willing to be thrown under the bus e.g. sports rorts/Mckenzie.

@Sickaz suggests "I think the main issue with Hunter Biden’s laptop is the censorship and media suppression of the story ...."

Do you seriously believe that? in the US under the glaze of Fox News and some of the best investigative journalists in the world?

.... and @info while accusing Facto of being a troll launches into a paragraph of vitriol himself. Ah info, never fails, always aims to satisfy