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andy-mac wrote:sypkan wrote:"...
oz gov. calling for evacuation
seems trajectory is set...
Heard a little of Iranian leader at funeral on news. Saying USA is responsible as much as Israel and to expect attack on US forces or something along those lines.
Iran have lost face and cannot let this one go was overall message.
Bravado maybe??
It's pretty scary really.
Iran blaming the US makes sense when aimed at a domestic Iranian audience though. Otherwise they have to admit that Israel was able to successfully conduct a precision strike in Iran, against a pretty senior dude from one of their key proxies, pretty much at their leisure.
Makes it far easier to sell when you can say “but it was only possible for Israel because the US helped”
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- "Fast-tracking" US military aid could "dramatically expedite" an end to the war in Gaza and help prevent a broader Middle East war.
& "no room for political violence" in democracies ;);)
^ the easier sell $$$
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'“Israel is not interested in an all-out war, but the only way to prevent it is the immediate implementation of [U.N. Security Council] Resolution 1701,” it adds. Adopted in 2006, UNSC Resolution 1701 calls for a “full cessation of hostilities” between Hezbollah and Israel and “the establishment of a demilitarized zone” in southern Lebanon, and has never been implemented.'
got that one here:
https://www.twz.com/news-features/claims-swirl-around-how-israel-assassi...
afaik Israel would like Hezbollah beyond the Litani river to their north, and UN actually did a resolution to this end which was never enacted. Words talked above suggest this would be their goal if conflict kicks off
I don’t know how you find that stuff, or have the time to do so. But there’s been some good ‘uns in there
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velocityjohnno wrote:'“Israel is not interested in an all-out war, but the only way to prevent it is the immediate implementation of [U.N. Security Council] Resolution 1701,” it adds. Adopted in 2006, UNSC Resolution 1701 calls for a “full cessation of hostilities” between Hezbollah and Israel and “the establishment of a demilitarized zone” in southern Lebanon, and has never been implemented.'
got that one here:
https://www.twz.com/news-features/claims-swirl-around-how-israel-assassi...
afaik Israel would like Hezbollah beyond the Litani river to their north, and UN actually did a resolution to this end which was never enacted. Words talked above suggest this would be their goal if conflict kicks off
Good article.
"Israel’s military confirmed Thursday that strikes on July 13 in southern Gaza had killed Mohammed Deif, the highest-ranking Hamas military commander to be slain by Israel during its war in Gaza."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/01/hamas-commander-mohammed...
Im betting Sinwar's hiding down in some tunnel right now feeling pretty nervous.
" ... I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region" ;);)
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Some nervous terrorists will be crapping themselves…hiding in tunnels like cowards waiting to meet Allah.
Iran is full of bluster and know if the retaliate too hard they will get worse back at them.
...it's almost rike you on a horiday yet make time to post warmongering fantasies
- and your brud rust makes u ruv terrorism and reary u are just a bit ronery ;)
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plenty of nervous people in Israel too...
terrified of the pending onslaught
seems crazy to me to stoke it on two fronts
I heard the other day hezbollah have 130 000 missiles stockpiled for Israel, high grade techo ones, no dome's gonna stop that
hezbollah is a bit of an unknown entity, hidden deep in mountainous terrain
israel, wide open and flat...
seems they could all bomb each other back to the stone ages before things get better, ...if...
this dude gave an excellent rundown
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/25/g-s1-13320/israel-and-hezbollah-have-esca...
he actually recently vistied
an excellent rundown with essentially no politics, as journalism should be... once was...
their infrastructure is mind blowing, roads into the inside of mountains, with an elevator to the bosses pad
you could imagine they can sustain a long war, ...another war of attrition...
us soft western types don't like that shit
".....The more victories you amass, the easier the next victory becomes. " ;);)
- "...enormous positive reverberations on the region" hahaha
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&pp=ygUMdGVhbSBhbWVyaWNh Come back in a month and tell me I am wrong that…..nothing much will happen. One side will talk tough for their home consumption, they will also happily sacrifice a few of their people as they retaliate with hardly no real damage to Israel. No war will start. JF will continue to post bs you tube clips. A few other will wet their panties and cry. Dramatic media driven nonsense articles that people get worried over will continue.
Storm in a teacup.
Just for JF…derka derka derka :) :) :)
Irrelevant JF inspired YouTube incoming in 3.2.1….
...and you'll keep up the usual stupid (& irrelevant) commentary to vent ya sky news driven / inspired version of more war yay.... maybe you'll even post up another dramatic killing vid ;)
Float on dill haha
- make sure u don't miss your piece of the pie ;);)
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Like Iran deals in flatulence drivel…you JF are the SN ayatollah of garbage. The head honcho of bs and nothing else.
No one spends as much time on here as you, which is weird as it is just a surf forum.
Later gator. Ciao..over and out.
...off u go now dill haha
- float off, & as you've said bfore..... it's easy to stay away ;)
Catch u at the cafe, be careful not to get a virus in bangcock.
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&pp=ygUNZG9pbiB5b3VyIG1vbQ%3D%3D Considering the World is concerned over 2 recent assassination/s
Global Political Assassinations (Elected Pollies > Ambassadors > Commanders > HQ Precinct)
Does not include Army Outposts / Checkpoints / Police / Religious / Celebrities / Hospitals / Education
Exclusive swellnet List is compiled from several 'Wiki Lists' of Targeted / Raids / Mass Incidents
Again this took some time to pry out Leaders / Diplomats from Raids / Bombings etc
Reasons for charting assassinations is laid out beneath ...
Preferred Killing Mode by Nation...Pretty much outed itself.
No surprise that Bond Movie fans could have compiled this typical Stock'n'trade hit list
Northern Nations > (Solo Square Stabbings Shooting + Poisonings + Car Bombs / Incarceration
Nth Asian : Solo Square Stabbings Shooting / Poisoning / Incarceration
Eastern Euro-Asia : Air Strikes + Drones
Mid East / Central : Bombings
Sub Asia : Shootings / Suicide Bombers / Incarceration
Africa / East : Suicide Bombers / Gang Raids
North America > Solo Targeted Shootings
Central America > Hired Gangs Home Invasion Killings
South America > Drive By Hits / Kidnappings / Ransoms
*Approx 5 failed attempts / year
Term.........Prez ......#Global Assassinations/Year (Again part of a larger mix'n'match Prez Series)
1970-75 Nixon : 12/8/6/13/12
1975-76 Ford : 15/8
1977-80 Carter : 11/21/20/27
1981-84 Reagan : 16/9/8/17
1985-88 Reagan : 11/7/13/11
1989-92 Bush Sr : 18/20/18/30
1993-96 Clinton : 21/18/6/13
1997-20 Clinton : 12/24/15/16
2001-04 Bush Jr : 21/21/12/21(2000/1 Peak US Left Riots)
2005-08 Bush Jr : 26/24/26/28
2009-12 Obama : 25/22/21/24 (2009 Peak Religion-Abortion Riots)
2013-16 Obama : 27/13/18/14 (2015/16 Peak World Wars / Terror incidents)
2017-20 Trump : 24/21/18/12 (Peak US School Shootings / Black / Right Riots)
2021-24 Biden : 12/26/28/(25 to end of July + Record Leaders Charged / Assassinations / Air Tragedies
Crew can fill in the blanks > Voting Democracy died well back > Now got Executive Dr No Dictators
Feed last years 49.9% PM to the sharks...just in case!
2024
Wotz New in assassinations
18 June 2024 tbb shared record rise in Air Tragedy Package Deals for last week's Leader.
These are proving quite popular...can even get two for one deals or Combos!
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/527463?page=44
Earlier in year reported on record charges > arrests > incarceration of former / rival Pollies
Both of these reviews sparked wider investigation into a perceived rise in assassinations
That's why tbb is sharing exclusive concise detailed annual rise in assassinations
tbb is alerting to slow creepy rise in Assassinations peaking in 2024
This year is on track for Record Assassinations due to Israeli Onslaught + Plane Crashes?
2023/24 requires a breakdown in numbers (Can include 2020's lists of Target / Nations / Killing Modes)
Only the File is getting too large as is...if for whatever reason any crew wish to recall any...ok to share!
(*Attempts) Aug 2023- July 2024
Aug 3 / Sept 1*1 / Oct 4 / Dec 2*1 / Jan 3 *1 / Feb 6 / March 3 / April 3 / May 1 *2 / June 5 / July 4 *1
Focus on current ongoing Record Assassinations of Modern era
19 Israeli Assassinations on Pollies / Leaders / Commanders (Gaza 6 / Syria 5 / Iran 4 / Lebanon 4)
No need to check this...crew likely know more than tbb about these targeted Drone / Air-Strikes
Simply turn on yer telly any time this year & ya got an assassination every week...that's now normal!
Yep! It's also insane how none care if elected officials or leaders get popped off each week!
Ok! Sure...maybe now some are waking up to the fact & some media might follow tbb's lead (Cough!)
It is news, but all refuse to report it...exactly why yer reading it in a surf column...(Way of the world!)
Note : Shooting of India's Pollies + Wealthy Indian Execs accidents...All that's now a thing!
So yeah...the rise of India comes at a cost > (Reminiscent of Sth American Pollies taking on Cartels)
They will kill anyone elected official who gets in their way...that's an obvious fact.
On this point it's sickening to read that Young women now feature higher in assassinations.
It's how this end game works...each new defender is younger & more resolute...gone before a life lived!
Hard to believe..beautiful, highly educated young leaders getting assassinated pressing for change!
Brutal it is, tbb could share but it would only tear yer hearts apart reading about angels slaughtered.
Again...crew are free to ask of any weird attempts but to save time...crew already know that answer!
Imran Khan has survived 150 court cases / Incarceration / Shooting / Stabbing / Poisoning / Lethal Jab
The poor dude sleeps with one eye open & has a poisonous food allergy so starves to death instead!
Imran Khan is the Poster Boy of Evil Bastards wanting People's Hero executed anyway possible.
So crew know exactly wotz goin' on by observing his fall from Cricketing Great to freedom fighter!
World Dictators ain't too fond of them types & go above & beyond to wipe them off the Planet!
More mix'n'match exclusive titles in #1swellnet US presidential library
Presidential World Wars
25th July 2024 https://www.swellnet.com/forums/politico/341781?page=4
Roadkill wrote:Come back in a month and tell me I am wrong that…..nothing much will happen. One side will talk tough for their home consumption, they will also happily sacrifice a few of their people as they retaliate with hardly no real damage to Israel. No war will start. JF will continue to post bs you tube clips. A few other will wet their panties and cry. Dramatic media driven nonsense articles that people get worried over will continue.
Storm in a teacup.
I hope you're correct roady.
But if I was in Tel Aviv or Beirut, I'd be shitting myself right now.
A lot of commentary, even from IDF says Israel cannot take on and defeat Hezbollah alone, never mind Iran being directly involved. And any Israel 'victory' would still see major destruction of Israel. Don't think those Brooklyn or Australian Jews with dual passports will be hanging around.
If USA gets involved it is doubtful they will put boots on ground and who knows what air defence Iran has, take out a US aircraft carrier and some jets, who knows.
Then we have Russia and China, but yeah hope all talk and storm in tea cup.
I’m not really sure what options Iran realistically has. Their response is likely to be demonstrative rather than substantive. That’s pretty consistent - look at when ol Trumpy had Soleimani killed in a drone strike. He was an Iranian general, not a Palestinian proxy, and Iran did pretty much nada.
etarip wrote:I’m not really sure what options Iran realistically has. Their response is likely to be demonstrative rather than substantive. That’s pretty consistent - look at when ol Trumpy had Soleimani killed in a drone strike. He was an Iranian general, not a Palestinian proxy, and Iran did pretty much nada.
Hope you are correct also.
But as pointed out in skypan attached article and from what I have read, there will eventually be a conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. Hezbollah are not going to retreat from their southern border and Israel have stated they cannot accept a Hezbollah presence on their northern border.
Hezbollah have said they will stop missiles as soon as cease fire in Gaza. Maybe the USA should step in and stop that slaughter and give peace a chance ey.
Iran and the US are the two external parties with the most leverage over Hamas and Israel.
As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives. Only Iran has the leverage over Hamas.
As long as Israel keeps playing to Hamas tune by conducting the types of operations that they are, resulting in a lot of civilian casualties and broader collateral damage, there is no benefit for Hamas to meaningfully come to the table. A central pillar of Hamas strategy is ‘amplification’ of civilian casualties. They want / need them to occur.
Israel is being played. Their indifference to the devastation they are causing is staggering. But there are two parties to this conflict. I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.
"" I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.""
Stop funding and supplying their weapons?? But that could stop the slaughter straight away. Won't happen as Congress is owned by AIPAC as demonstrated by Bibi's visit. It could be suggested that Israel actually have leverage over the USA??
""As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives.""
Negotiate a cease fire and hostage release. It has been on the table and Israel have sabotaged it moving forward, this has been pretty well documented. Bibi doesn't want their release, hence the backlash from families in Israel. Killing lead negotiator is not going to help either.
Doesn't really matter what your personal view is now, but Israel is viewed as a pariah state by much of the world, except USA and its proxies. I reckon this will have an ongoing impact on Israel, economically and socially.
Really the only actor who can stop this shit show is the USA pulling in Israel, but do they really want to??
- "Really the only actor who can stop this shit show is the USA pulling in Israel, but do they really want to??" $$$
..... "Stop funding and supplying their weapons"
^ spot on @andy-mac, then and now ;)
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&pp=ygUwbGFkeSBzYXlpbmcgbGVhZGVycyBzaG91bGQgbm90IGJlIGtpbGxpbmcgcGVvcGxl So you’re saying that Iran has no leverage over Hamas (and Hezbollah)?
etarip wrote:So you’re saying that Iran has no leverage over Hamas (and Hezbollah)?
Not at all.
Iran has huge leverage over both.
etarip wrote:Iran and the US are the two external parties with the most leverage over Hamas and Israel.
As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives. Only Iran has the leverage over Hamas.
As long as Israel keeps playing to Hamas tune by conducting the types of operations that they are, resulting in a lot of civilian casualties and broader collateral damage, there is no benefit for Hamas to meaningfully come to the table. A central pillar of Hamas strategy is ‘amplification’ of civilian casualties. They want / need them to occur.
Israel is being played. Their indifference to the devastation they are causing is staggering. But there are two parties to this conflict. I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.
Decent post you actually have a grasp on things.
Although even if the hostages were released tomorrow the war wouldn't or shouldn't stop, the hostages are only one objective* a much more important objective is to try to destroy Hamas as a military force which is happening and also take them out of power, it would be insane to have gone this far and then not try to finish the job, in the same way it would have been to not finish the job in Nazi Germany and let Hitler live and stay in power.
Hamas dont want the war to end either if they did they would release the hostages even without a deal, imagine the world wide pressure that would put on Israel to end the war.
So why does Hamas not want the war to end even if they are getting smashed?
Well they obviously dont care at all about their people(hundred of miles of tunnels and not even one civilian bomb shelter) or even care about their own life's we have to understand that they really do think they are going to some heaven with 72 virgins, all they care about is killing Jews and trying to destroy Israel.
They also want to try to get Iran and Hezbollah involved, ending the war doesn't help getting them involved further, or progress the aim of destroying Israel which they cant do alone.
And of course the war continuing only gains more support from not alone muslims world wide, but just the whole brain dead, Chickens for more KFC stores, crowd in the West.
In regard to Israel being played, yeah its kind of true, yeah on one hand they are providing Hamas and other Jihadist groups exactly what they want which crazy enough is death and carnage and trying to bait Iran into a bigger war.
But on the flip side its not like Israel can just go, yeah okay you can carry out 7th October and we will just let it slide, that would only encourage similar attacks(as Hamas has promised) and in time Hamas would become as strong as Hezbollah.
Its just one of those situations where its dammed if you do dammed if you dont, and you have to pick the best of the two bad option's.
*Hamas cant even provide proof of life or a figure on how many hostages are alive, only the other week they found 5 hostages bodies buried behind a tunnel wall, they only knew they were there because of intel gained from integration of Hamas fighters.
And many of the hostages are said to be held by other groups, there is about half a dozen jihadist groups in Gaza, "Palestine Islamic Jihad" being the second biggest.
The clue of what this war is really about is in their name.
;)
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/a-lookback-at-the-zionist-terrorism-th...
So why does israel not want the war to end? ;);)
- "The annals of Zionist history are full of leaders outdoing other leaders in insisting on the importance of military power and the role of force and terror in the building and safeguarding of the Zionist state: Joseph Trumpeldor, Vladimir Jabotinsky, Menahem Begin, Ben Gurion, and all the Israeli generals. In some of their writings and revelations, they assert that violence and terror are the backbone of the plan to enforce the Zionist programme. This was necessarily so because the Zionists have within this century simply invaded a country, evicted the majority of the population, followed this up with further use of force and terrorism.' The Zionists, furthermore, are convinced "that physical force is the only tangible political reality which carries weight ....The very principle of Zionism that is to turn Jewry from a religious community into a nation and a state; to consider all the Jews in the world as belonging to that nation; and to struggle to bring them into that nation's state inevitably committed the Zionists to a series of wars of expansion in order to conquer "living space". The entire history of the aggressions and annexation in, and beyond, Palestine has followed from this inexorable logic of political Zionism". The Zionist military enterprise has its logic in the ideology and mythology of justification that accompanies it. The emphasis is laid not only on the myth of race but also and more particularly on the Biblical myth of a "promise", This is interpreted in a pure tribal sense not the spiritual sense of the mission of Kingdom of God but the
materialist, territorial sense of the 'land'."
^ hmmmm..... another clue of what this war is really about ;);)
andy-mac wrote:"" I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.""
Stop funding and supplying their weapons?? But that could stop the slaughter straight away. Won't happen as Congress is owned by AIPAC as demonstrated by Bibi's visit. It could be suggested that Israel actually have leverage over the USA??
""As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives.""
Negotiate a cease fire and hostage release. It has been on the table and Israel have sabotaged it moving forward, this has been pretty well documented. Bibi doesn't want their release, hence the backlash from families in Israel. Killing lead negotiator is not going to help either.
Doesn't really matter what your personal view is now, but Israel is viewed as a pariah state by much of the world, except USA and its proxies. I reckon this will have an ongoing impact on Israel, economically and socially.
Really the only actor who can stop this shit show is the USA pulling in Israel, but do they really want to??
None of your comments make any sense.
On one hand you are basically saying that Israel shouldn't be able to protect itself and that the USA should just let Iran and its proxies destroy Israel, but then on the flip side you have a fake concern for Israel and its economy & reputation.
And then you also expect Israel to bend over and get shaffed by Hamas on totally unrealistic deals, im 100% certain you actually had no idea what the deals were.
And no of course USA doesn't want to allow Israel to be destroyed.
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:"" I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.""
Stop funding and supplying their weapons?? But that could stop the slaughter straight away. Won't happen as Congress is owned by AIPAC as demonstrated by Bibi's visit. It could be suggested that Israel actually have leverage over the USA??
""As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives.""
Negotiate a cease fire and hostage release. It has been on the table and Israel have sabotaged it moving forward, this has been pretty well documented. Bibi doesn't want their release, hence the backlash from families in Israel. Killing lead negotiator is not going to help either.
Doesn't really matter what your personal view is now, but Israel is viewed as a pariah state by much of the world, except USA and its proxies. I reckon this will have an ongoing impact on Israel, economically and socially.
Really the only actor who can stop this shit show is the USA pulling in Israel, but do they really want to??
None of your comments make any sense.
On one hand you are basically saying that Israel shouldn't be able to protect itself and that the USA should just let Iran and its proxies destroy Israel, but then on the flip side you have a fake concern for Israel and its economy & reputation.
And then you also expect Israel to bend over and get shaffed by Hamas on totally unrealistic deals, im 100% certain you actually had no idea what the deals were.
And no of course USA doesn't want to allow Israel to be destroyed.
Yeah whatever Indo....
^ hahaha
- rabid noinfo ray, on anutha bs burner of assumption and imagined superior facts..... and still trying to label others as the one's not making 'any sense' ;)
....pretending you know shit you have simply interpreted to suit and confirm your own ideological bias ...and then continually presenting nothing but opinionated hearsay and speculative guesstimates won't wash ;)
Stop all the petty barking and try explain how military intervention can in any way cause peace or unity or a solution hahaha
.....death and conquest are all you are interested in.
- get a fuckn life noinfo ;)
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She is remarkable !
Biden had Obama's advisors , that are now working with Harris .
Obama has had 8 years pulling the Democratic Strings .
A bit like Nero .
He is going 4 12 !
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:"" I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.""
Stop funding and supplying their weapons?? But that could stop the slaughter straight away. Won't happen as Congress is owned by AIPAC as demonstrated by Bibi's visit. It could be suggested that Israel actually have leverage over the USA??
""As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives.""
Negotiate a cease fire and hostage release. It has been on the table and Israel have sabotaged it moving forward, this has been pretty well documented. Bibi doesn't want their release, hence the backlash from families in Israel. Killing lead negotiator is not going to help either.
Doesn't really matter what your personal view is now, but Israel is viewed as a pariah state by much of the world, except USA and its proxies. I reckon this will have an ongoing impact on Israel, economically and socially.
Really the only actor who can stop this shit show is the USA pulling in Israel, but do they really want to??
None of your comments make any sense.
On one hand you are basically saying that Israel shouldn't be able to protect itself and that the USA should just let Iran and its proxies destroy Israel, but then on the flip side you have a fake concern for Israel and its economy & reputation.
And then you also expect Israel to bend over and get shaffed by Hamas on totally unrealistic deals, im 100% certain you actually had no idea what the deals were.
And no of course USA doesn't want to allow Israel to be destroyed.
Yeah whatever Indo....
Lets say tomorrow USA withdrew all military support for Israel.
What do you think would happen?
Do you honestly think there would be peace?
I mean seriously dude its no secret Iran and all its proxies make no secret of wanting to destroy Israel, im not sure why you wouldn't believe them?
It would be the complete opposite of peace it would be a huge green light to Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Houthis and other jihadist groups to attack Israel and try to wear them down and exhaust their military supplies.
As for Iran they prefer to attack through proxies, but if USA stayed out of the picture the risk of direct attacks would no doubt also increase rather than decrease.
- hahaha farkn 'ell, the noinfo idiocy is in hyperdrive ;)
"..... prefer to attack through proxies"
- two sides of the same deluded 'rules based' coin $$$
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https://www.newamerica.org/future-security/reports/twenty-first-century-...
https://theconversation.com/the-us-isnt-at-war-with-russia-technically-b...
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&pp=ygUoc29sZGllciBib3kgZnJvbSBhIGxvZ2ljYWwgcG9pbnQgb2Ygdmlldw%3D%3D indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:"" I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.""
Stop funding and supplying their weapons?? But that could stop the slaughter straight away. Won't happen as Congress is owned by AIPAC as demonstrated by Bibi's visit. It could be suggested that Israel actually have leverage over the USA??
""As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives.""
Negotiate a cease fire and hostage release. It has been on the table and Israel have sabotaged it moving forward, this has been pretty well documented. Bibi doesn't want their release, hence the backlash from families in Israel. Killing lead negotiator is not going to help either.
Doesn't really matter what your personal view is now, but Israel is viewed as a pariah state by much of the world, except USA and its proxies. I reckon this will have an ongoing impact on Israel, economically and socially.
Really the only actor who can stop this shit show is the USA pulling in Israel, but do they really want to??
None of your comments make any sense.
On one hand you are basically saying that Israel shouldn't be able to protect itself and that the USA should just let Iran and its proxies destroy Israel, but then on the flip side you have a fake concern for Israel and its economy & reputation.
And then you also expect Israel to bend over and get shaffed by Hamas on totally unrealistic deals, im 100% certain you actually had no idea what the deals were.
And no of course USA doesn't want to allow Israel to be destroyed.
Yeah whatever Indo....
Lets say tomorrow USA withdrew all military support for Israel.
What do you think would happen?
Do you honestly think there would be peace?
I mean seriously dude its no secret Iran and all its proxies make no secret of wanting to destroy Israel, im not sure why you wouldn't believe them?
It would be the complete opposite of peace it would be a huge green light to Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Houthis and other jihadist groups to attack Israel and try to wear them down and exhaust their military supplies.
As for Iran they prefer to attack through proxies, but if USA stayed out of the picture the risk of direct attacks would no doubt also increase rather than decrease.
You really do just think in absolutes ey.
The USA aren't going to withdraw military support, but they could influence what is going on with the genocide, slaughter, war, Israel's right to defend itself or whatever term you wish to use.
Israel had the sympathy of the world on the 7th of Oct, now they are a pariah state. Doesn't seem to have been the best strategy, especially now if a major conflict starts and they start to experience some of what they have inflicted on the people of Gaza.
Pop Down wrote:Harris has an incredible ability , to give a long answer to a question , include some humour , that she finds funny and , NOT make any sense , at all .
She is remarkable !
Biden had Obama's advisors , that are now working with Harris .
Obama has had 8 years pulling the Democratic Strings .
A bit like Nero .
He is going 4 12 !
she's a funny unit
lotsa words... no content...
she just tries too hard to be profound... but got nothing...
even drops obama lines... and still got nothing...
she's an empty vessel
perfect, for..
something...
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:"" I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.""
Stop funding and supplying their weapons?? But that could stop the slaughter straight away. Won't happen as Congress is owned by AIPAC as demonstrated by Bibi's visit. It could be suggested that Israel actually have leverage over the USA??
""As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives.""
Negotiate a cease fire and hostage release. It has been on the table and Israel have sabotaged it moving forward, this has been pretty well documented. Bibi doesn't want their release, hence the backlash from families in Israel. Killing lead negotiator is not going to help either.
Doesn't really matter what your personal view is now, but Israel is viewed as a pariah state by much of the world, except USA and its proxies. I reckon this will have an ongoing impact on Israel, economically and socially.
Really the only actor who can stop this shit show is the USA pulling in Israel, but do they really want to??
None of your comments make any sense.
On one hand you are basically saying that Israel shouldn't be able to protect itself and that the USA should just let Iran and its proxies destroy Israel, but then on the flip side you have a fake concern for Israel and its economy & reputation.
And then you also expect Israel to bend over and get shaffed by Hamas on totally unrealistic deals, im 100% certain you actually had no idea what the deals were.
And no of course USA doesn't want to allow Israel to be destroyed.
Yeah whatever Indo....
Lets say tomorrow USA withdrew all military support for Israel.
What do you think would happen?
Do you honestly think there would be peace?
I mean seriously dude its no secret Iran and all its proxies make no secret of wanting to destroy Israel, im not sure why you wouldn't believe them?
It would be the complete opposite of peace it would be a huge green light to Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Houthis and other jihadist groups to attack Israel and try to wear them down and exhaust their military supplies.
As for Iran they prefer to attack through proxies, but if USA stayed out of the picture the risk of direct attacks would no doubt also increase rather than decrease.
You really do just think in absolutes ey.
The USA aren't going to withdraw military support, but they could influence what is going on with the genocide, slaughter, war, Israel's right to defend itself or whatever term you wish to use.Israel had the sympathy of the world on the 7th of Oct, now they are a pariah state. Doesn't seem to have been the best strategy, especially now if a major conflict starts and they start to experience some of what they have inflicted on the people of Gaza.
What do you think Hamas want? (or Iran & all the other Jihadist nutter groups)
Do they want USA to support Israel and supply them ammunition unconditionally and support them in destroying Hamas?
Or would they see it as a win if USA restricts ammunition and do as you suggest and just let Hamas survive ?
Restriction of ammunition and even just wavering support from the USA is a huge win and reward to Hamas especially delaying Israel entering into Raffa for so long.
And its all purely about USA politics, its just a shame this had to happen so close to an USA election, that has muddied the waters on USA support.
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:"" I don’t know that the US has as much leverage over Israel as is widely assumed.""
Stop funding and supplying their weapons?? But that could stop the slaughter straight away. Won't happen as Congress is owned by AIPAC as demonstrated by Bibi's visit. It could be suggested that Israel actually have leverage over the USA??
""As long as Hamas holds hostages there will be little appetite in Israel to stop until they’ve achieved their objectives.""
Negotiate a cease fire and hostage release. It has been on the table and Israel have sabotaged it moving forward, this has been pretty well documented. Bibi doesn't want their release, hence the backlash from families in Israel. Killing lead negotiator is not going to help either.
Doesn't really matter what your personal view is now, but Israel is viewed as a pariah state by much of the world, except USA and its proxies. I reckon this will have an ongoing impact on Israel, economically and socially.
Really the only actor who can stop this shit show is the USA pulling in Israel, but do they really want to??
None of your comments make any sense.
On one hand you are basically saying that Israel shouldn't be able to protect itself and that the USA should just let Iran and its proxies destroy Israel, but then on the flip side you have a fake concern for Israel and its economy & reputation.
And then you also expect Israel to bend over and get shaffed by Hamas on totally unrealistic deals, im 100% certain you actually had no idea what the deals were.
And no of course USA doesn't want to allow Israel to be destroyed.
Yeah whatever Indo....
Lets say tomorrow USA withdrew all military support for Israel.
What do you think would happen?
Do you honestly think there would be peace?
I mean seriously dude its no secret Iran and all its proxies make no secret of wanting to destroy Israel, im not sure why you wouldn't believe them?
It would be the complete opposite of peace it would be a huge green light to Hamas, Palestine Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Houthis and other jihadist groups to attack Israel and try to wear them down and exhaust their military supplies.
As for Iran they prefer to attack through proxies, but if USA stayed out of the picture the risk of direct attacks would no doubt also increase rather than decrease.
You really do just think in absolutes ey.
The USA aren't going to withdraw military support, but they could influence what is going on with the genocide, slaughter, war, Israel's right to defend itself or whatever term you wish to use.Israel had the sympathy of the world on the 7th of Oct, now they are a pariah state. Doesn't seem to have been the best strategy, especially now if a major conflict starts and they start to experience some of what they have inflicted on the people of Gaza.
What do you think Hamas want? (or Iran & all the other Jihadist nutter groups)
Do they want USA to support Israel and supply them ammunition unconditionally and support them in destroying Hamas?
Or would they see it as a win if USA restricts ammunition and do as you suggest and just let Hamas survive ?
Restriction of ammunition and even just wavering support from the USA is a huge win and reward to Hamas especially delaying Israel entering into Raffa for so long.
And its all purely about USA politics, its just a shame this had to happen so close to an USA election, that has muddied the waters on USA support.
You really believe that Hamas can be destroyed?
Or are you supporting the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and later on the West Bank?
Reckon this guy has balanced view of what is going on; however highlights no one can know what could happen was it spirals out of control.
Will stop writing now as this is USA thread, but this vid has a lot of foreign policy discussed.
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