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the question vicvocal...
"dude, explain to me, as a leftist... why jan 6 is so bad?"
or are you going to ignore another one?
yet again...
I think a lot of people including myself think capitol hill shouldn't have happened.
I've never ever ever seen one person on the so called left say the riots of 2020 shouldn't have happened, not one, it's always justification of why or denial even the media.
Probably the high point of denial being the now famous CNN report with "fiery but mostly peaceful protest" while in the background a local neighbourhood is up in flames.
VL can you grow some balls and condemn the 2020 riots?
Can you say that they should never of happened and there was no justification to the billions of dollars of damage, and the almost 30 deaths, negative effects to literally thousands of peoples lives?
I bet you can't because you are too gutless to admit you are wrong and to own it all.
indo-dreaming wrote:VL can you grow some balls and condemn the 2020 riots?
Can you say that they should never of happened and there was no justification to the billions of dollars of damage, and the almost 30 deaths, negative effects to literally thousands of peoples lives?
I bet you can't because you are too gutless to admit you are wrong and to own it all.
I absolutely support peaceful protests and thoroughly believe the BLM movement have a point about unarmed black people getting killed by police. I am happy to condemn any protestor who uses violence or destroys private and public property.
Look ID. No "buts" and no "what about..." additions.
You on the other hand always find a bullshit excuse / justification for your mob's insurrection. Blaming the BLM riots for the Jan 6 storming of the capital is seriously pathetic ID. Everyone here except for your fellow traveller sypkan knows it.
Ha ha we need to record this one.
BTW. Ive said from day one Capitol hill should never have happened.
The reality is we will never know if capitol hill would have happened if 2020 hadn't been a year full of riots, but anyone with half a brain can understand that a clear precedent was set during 2020.
sypkan wrote:dude, explain to me, as a leftist... why jan 6 is so bad?
as a leftist myself... i see it as working class people putting up a challenge to a stacked system...
I see it as people who have had enough of a corrupt political class blatantly lying to them....
I see it as a challenge to our model of lobby group 'democracy' that has developed, and all its falseness... that gives billionaires all the power over the people...
I see it as a venting of frustration at a political class, that has sold out a country from under the people's feet, enriching said billionaires even more, and themselves in the process...
and I see it as people feeling insecure, as the billiinaures and political class offer them no future prospects, pump all the money into china, whilst just going further and further down the PR / lip service road that just presents a false reality...
and as a leftist... i see it as an almost revolution, a clayton's revolution if you will... that puts a bomb under the ruling class, putting them on notice, so we can hopefully avoid a full blown bloodbath revolution...
and as a closet anarchist... I quietly think it is great, I love the chaos, the anger, the madness, the true challenge to power, and think it is great that the public are finally fired up enough to say fuck you, we have power too, wake up cunts...
you, to me, just seem full of confected outrage to make a political point
and full of faux concern for the police, the security forces, the sancrosactity of the systems, buildings, and institutions generally...
I see no genuine concern at all, just political opportunism and a falseness to further your cause...
the fake left in full effect!
sypkan I don't think too many people would argue with your take on America's rotten institutions and the alienation and anger felt by many people. And many would agree that America was ripe for a change candidate in 2016. It's just that it ended up being Trump.
(Although perhaps, as a man of the left, you will point to the policies Trump put in place to bring jobs back to the rustbelt, the jobs for working class people and the access to services his infrastructure projects are bringing about, and his expansion of universal medical care.)
The Jan 6 crew were in the Capitol because Trump the false prophet propagated the fallacy that the Dems had rigged the election and had stolen the presidency from him. And that's mostly it. None were expressing any working class revolutionary motivation.
While not perfect, the vote casting and vote counting process in America is one of the institutions that operates fairly well.
It's the voter suppression and dodgy redistributions carried out by the Trump Party that present the bigger problem. With the intention to institutionalise – as you put it - “a stacked system”.
Jan 6 is a manifestation of what you claim to oppose writ large - "a corrupt political class blatantly lying... a false reality... political opportunism and falseness to further your cause..."
And probably worth remembering that some of the where we go one we go all Jan 6 insurrectionists were there with express intention of unseating the cabal of billionaire paedophilic lizards masquerading as humans who control the deep state. It’s understandable that people could think like that – I guess – but dunno if it’s a good idea to jump to their defence.
Roker wrote:And probably worth remembering that some of the where we go one we go all Jan 6 insurrectionists were there with express intention of unseating the cabal of billionaire paedophilic lizards masquerading as humans who control the deep state. It’s understandable that people could think like that – I guess – but dunno if it’s a good idea to jump to their defence.
How many like that really were there though?
We know there was one guy expect more, but it still would have been a tiny tiny percentage of the crowd.
indo-dreaming wrote:Ha ha we need to record this one.
BTW. Ive said from day one Capitol hill should never have happened.
You've always followed that up with a "but..." and then somehow managed to bring BLM into what was the most serious assault on American democracy. Talk about tortured logic with zero evidence to back it up.
You're a clown ID. The reason why you always do this is because you don't want to point the finger at those who caused the jan 6 insurrection. eg your heroes, Trump, his scumbag kids, the GOP, your mates in the Proud Boys and the fucked up nutters in various heavily armed militias around the country. They are to blame for Jan 6, and it's genuinely pathetic you pointing the finger at Antifa and BLM.
When you claimed your violent mob had been infiltrated by Antifa, you reached peak idiocy, and you haven't taken a step down since.
Vic Local wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:VL can you grow some balls and condemn the 2020 riots?
Can you say that they should never of happened and there was no justification to the billions of dollars of damage, and the almost 30 deaths, negative effects to literally thousands of peoples lives?
I bet you can't because you are too gutless to admit you are wrong and to own it all.
I absolutely support peaceful protests and thoroughly believe the BLM movement have a point about unarmed black people getting killed by police. I am happy to condemn any protestor who uses violence or destroys private and public property.
Look ID. No "buts" and no "what about..." additions.
You on the other hand always find a bullshit excuse / justification for your mob's insurrection. Blaming the BLM riots for the Jan 6 storming of the capital is seriously pathetic ID. Everyone here except for your fellow traveller sypkan knows it.
fukn weasal words
anyone with any brains knows exactly what lays between the lines...
indo-dreaming wrote:Roker wrote:And probably worth remembering that some of the where we go one we go all Jan 6 insurrectionists were there with express intention of unseating the cabal of billionaire paedophilic lizards masquerading as humans who control the deep state. It’s understandable that people could think like that – I guess – but dunno if it’s a good idea to jump to their defence.
How many like that really were there though?
We know there was one guy expect more, but it still would have been a tiny tiny percentage of the crowd.
exactly!
just more mainstream press bullshit to delegitimise their cause...
"America was ripe for a change candidate in 2016. It's just that it ended up being Trump."
and why was that?
...purely due to the democrat party's ineptness at presenting a reasonable alternative... not just in candidate!
then, after what should have been an awakening... a four year cruel lesson in get your shit together... what did they offer 2020?
fucking joe dog faced pony biden...
he is not the answer to anything!
as we are now so clearly seeing....
now, so clearly enduring....
shit's just gonna get worse for the democrats the next 3 years, if they don't pull something out of the bag soon... they're cooked... no matter who the republican candidate is...
Sypkan, 2024. Tucker Carlson (GOP) v The Rock/ Dwayne Johnson (Dems)
(Yes The Rock was a Republican but has switched, endorsed Biden.)
whichever side signs up joe rogan first wins hands down...
but that would take way too much growth and humility for the democrats
so republicans it is...
(but i don't reckon he would go there...)
independent?
sypkan wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Roker wrote:And probably worth remembering that some of the where we go one we go all Jan 6 insurrectionists were there with express intention of unseating the cabal of billionaire paedophilic lizards masquerading as humans who control the deep state. It’s understandable that people could think like that – I guess – but dunno if it’s a good idea to jump to their defence.
How many like that really were there though?
We know there was one guy expect more, but it still would have been a tiny tiny percentage of the crowd.
exactly!
just more mainstream press bullshit to delegitimise their cause...
"delegitimise their cause"
OMG sypkan you've lost it mate. What fucking cause were they fighting for in the "stop the steal" insurrection? Your side lost. That mob of thugs on Capitol Hill never had, and never will have, a legitimate cause mate. They were trying to stop the peaceful transition of power because their side badly lost an election.
That's a fucking reality you just need to acknowledge.
Can't see an indepenent. Too hard against the party machines. Trump is pretty much one though. Both Carlson and The Rock have serious aspirations, Trump and Murdoch back Tucker and Joe endorses the Rock and game on. Rogan has a big online profile but too narrow appeal.
All this is ridiculous of course, just like the idea of President Trump was before it happened.
I agree with most of what you have said today though.
Vic Local wrote:sypkan wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Roker wrote:And probably worth remembering that some of the where we go one we go all Jan 6 insurrectionists were there with express intention of unseating the cabal of billionaire paedophilic lizards masquerading as humans who control the deep state. It’s understandable that people could think like that – I guess – but dunno if it’s a good idea to jump to their defence.
How many like that really were there though?
We know there was one guy expect more, but it still would have been a tiny tiny percentage of the crowd.
exactly!
just more mainstream press bullshit to delegitimise their cause...
"delegitimise their cause"
OMG sypkan you've lost it mate. What fucking cause were they fighting for in the "stop the steal" insurrection? Your side lost. That mob of thugs on Capitol Hill never had, and never will have, a legitimate cause mate. They were trying to stop the peaceful transition of power because their side badly lost an election.That's a fucking reality you just need to acknowledge.
ok hoover
it all happened in a vacuum
pure black and white, right and wrong
as always...
It's seriously pointless having a discussion with you VL, you are more rusted on in you views than anyone no matter the topic, even when you are clearly wrong you will never admit it or fine tune your views.
And every time you post you need to attack and name call the poster or degrade whatever you are opposed too, im not just talking this topic im talking any topic, the Covid thread is a great example, you even turn people off you who you have traditionally shared common ground with.
And before Guy snipes in saying im also rusted on in my views, yeah sure some i am just like anyone but not all, i try to be willing to adapt my views as learn more or rethink things.
And example is vaccinate mandates, i totally supported them initially even took on a yeah suffer in your jocks anti vaxers attitude, but i dont support vax mandates anymore, i guess in part because we have reached such high vax rates and also because the vaccine just hasn't proven to prevent transmission, hence it seems pointless to have mandates and just create's a divide when there really is very little advantage to doing so and even some disadvantage in lossing workers, possibly good workers too.
Only area i can understand vax mandates being needed is intentional arrivals, as non vaxed are higher risk of hospitalisation and we dont want non Aussies taking hospital beds.
"It's seriously pointless having a discussion with you VL, you are more rusted on in you views than anyone"
What are you saying here ID. If I started excusing the thugs who raided Capitol Hill it would be a better discussion? If I became and anti-vax idiot would that be better?
Here's the thing ID, I'm rusted on to a better democracy and believing in science. You're rusted on to a mob, a pack of scumbags who chucked their toys out of the cot, because their "man" lost an election.
I'm rusted on to positions that are right. You're just being a typical conservative muppet and fighting so incredibly hard because you know you are wrong and just can't admit it.
So keep cheering on the Proud Boys, the GOP and the mob that forced elected congressmen to flee for their lives if it makes you feel better. It doesn't make you right champ.
@Vic Local
Capital Hill was “ the most serious assault on American democracy.”
What an incredibly naive thing to say.
AndyM wrote:@Vic Local
Capital Hill was “ the most serious assault on American democracy.”
What an incredibly naive thing to say.
yep naive and embarrassing...
embarrassing to the point of being grossly offensive...
but plastic pelosi said it, so it must be true...
the lines he parrots from the nyt's and plastic pelosi's are just embarrassing...
“.... And before Guy snipes in saying im also rusted on in my views ....”.
Don’t kid yourself info, it’s downright unedifying, I could pretty much predict your position on any issue you comment on here, put the house on it ... but it’s all good.
Odd isn’t you and your leftie buddy defending the same trump barricade.
So Trump lost the election, refused to concede defeat, and when the result was to be ratified by congress, his mob stormed the Capitol trying to prevent the peaceful transition of power. I kinda think that is a serious assault on democracy, but you lot obviously don't. Maybe you could let everyone know a more serous assault on US democracy. It' going to be really interesting to see what you come up with.
And FFS ID don't bother saying BLM, because that mob never tried to interfere with the electoral process or kill politicians.
Trump’s base are the people the Bill Clinton Wall Street Democrats kicked to the curb. Consequent Democrat Presidents then trod them into the gutter and spat on their unemployment, disenchantment and despondency . . Hillary publicly disowned them after getting so far removed from reality ,by sense of entitlement, that she forgot that she actually needed the plebeian scum she so despised.
But sure……lizard people, racists and bigots.
Blowin wrote:Trump’s base are the people the Bill Clinton Wall Street Democrats kicked to the curb. Consequent Democrat Presidents then trod them into the gutter and spat on their unemployment, disenchantment and despondency . . Hillary publicly disowned them after getting so far removed from reality ,by sense of entitlement, that she forgot that she actually needed the plebeian scum she so despised.
But sure……lizard people, racists and bigots.
R
https://youtu.be/BHnJp0oyOxs
Great tune. Don’t think Billy Joel quite gets his due.
Yep - she wouldn’t even condescend to visit the baskets of deplorables in the fly over states.
No Hillary no Trump.
Huh? I wasn’t aware it was the Democrats who pushed the neoliberal agenda over the last 3 decades ensuring manufacturing jobs and the middle classes were gutted ...
GuySmiley wrote:Huh? I wasn’t aware it was the Democrats who pushed the neoliberal agenda over the last 3 decades ensuring manufacturing jobs and the middle classes were gutted ...
The Clinton and Obama administrations didn’t pursue a bog standard neo liberal economic agenda? There’s 16 out of the last 30 accounted for.
To be fair on the democrats, they have taken over power with the USA in a complete mess.
Reaganomics destroyed the budget with tax cuts for the rich and massive military spending. Bush Senior had to raise taxes (Read my lips no new taxes) but he didn't solve the problem the demented actor left. That was left to Bill
Clinton handed over the keys to GWB with the country in a lot better shape than the one he inherited from George's daddy. GWB then got into 2 wars on the country credit card and didn't see the GFC coming. Obama had to pick up the pieces, again handing over the reigns to the GOP with the country in a lot better shape than the one he got hand-balled. When Biden took over the country it was in a shambolic situation. Rampant covid, hopelessly divided, massive inequity. political gun violence everywhere, and an economic basket case too.
But hey, let's all point the finger at the democrats and pretend everything in the USA would be so much better if the GOP was allowed to govern in perpetuity.
Roker wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Huh? I wasn’t aware it was the Democrats who pushed the neoliberal agenda over the last 3 decades ensuring manufacturing jobs and the middle classes were gutted ...
The Clinton and Obama administrations didn’t pursue a bog standard neo liberal economic agenda? There’s 16 out of the last 30 accounted for.
In the country where Obama’s modest health care package was genuinely seen as socialist I see your point.
To the general point argued here if Trump is the answer you’re asking the wrong question. Trump was and always be wrong.
Vic Local wrote:I'm rusted on to positions that are right.
You're just being a typical conservative muppet and fighting so incredibly hard because you know you are wrong and just can't admit it.
So keep cheering on the Proud Boys, the GOP and the mob that forced elected congressmen to flee for their lives if it makes you feel better. It doesn't make you right champ.
A position that is right???
Forget left and right, lets just look at the facts.
A=One group riots on the street for months on end, looting stores, burning shit to the ground, causing over 2 billion in insurance damage (but in reailty much much higher than that) destroying private and public property including historic statues even burning down a police station, they even take over whole blocks in autonomous zones where police cant even go, about 30 people dead countless injuries, a huge number of arrest, and a campaign of hate directed at the police calling to defund them.
B= Other groups try to combat the violence and anarchy and are pro police.
Now tell me which guys are the good guys and which guys are the bad guys????
BTW. Capitol hill discussion is irrelevant, ive always said it shouldn't have happened and condemned it, i wish it never happened because i could then say, well Trump supporters never got violent, but they fucked that up, and although i love the reaction Trump gets from people like you and BB and i find him highly entertaining, im not exactly a Trump supporter i wouldn't call his crazy fans my mob, i dont actually think he is a great leader, although he still did a better job than people like you make out and he is still better than Biden.
Now tell me which guys are the good guys and which guys are the bad guys????
NEITHER YOU COMPLETE AND UTTER MORON.
The BLM movement at least had a genuine grievance you complete twat. But of course you don't have a problem with black people being murdered by police at a much higher rate than white people.
The actions of the idiot mob you always excuse / downplay were based on the ridiculous belief that the 2020 election was stolen. Trump lost, those fuckwits couldn't accept it, so they tried to prevent the result becoming officially ratified. Fuck me Indo Dreaming. I will spell it out again. The Trump insurrectionists never had a legitimate grievance. They are just violent anti-democratic sooks.
You excusing those fucking lunatics on Jan 6, by pointing to BLM, saying the Trump mob was infiltrated by Antifa, and making ridiculous statements like "they were pro-police" is just fucking nuts mate. They beat the shit out of the police trying to protect the elected officials you absolute barmpot.
Go to bed ID, you're drunk.
Didn’t actually use the word ‘ but ‘ …..but that sounds like a ‘ but ‘ moment
Supafreak wrote:Didn’t actually use the word ‘ but ‘ …..but that sounds like a ‘ but ‘ moment
100% a "but" moment.
I wonder how he would twist his support of Antifa, Antifa and peaceful protest dont exactly go hand in hand, and their cause????
Thinking anyone and everyone are fascist, they dont even know what fascism and fascist are, they are just anarchist nothing more.
"To the general point argued here if Trump is the answer you’re asking the wrong question. Trump was and always be wrong."
I don't think there is anybody on here argueing trump is the answer... literally no one... ever...
but the perpetually deranged, see any attempt to put it all into some semblance of context as arguing for trump, ...every time! ...every issue! ...that's your problem... not anyone's that just wants to talk about the issues...
trump should have just been a shot over the bow to the democrats, a warning, to wake up to what is actually going on... and reform...
should have...
but the democrats, the never trumpers, and 'the resistance' (...pffffffff...) ...made it all about trump
you all played right into his hands
he would have barely been a one term abonimation, and swiftly voted out and forgotten legitimately.... but instead...
we all have to deal with trumpism for decades to come...
that's just as unforgivable as the 'third way' ip lubricated bullshit that put him there in the first place...
these crimes seemed redeemable... seemed... totally... but the way you lot carry on, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon... if at all...
sadly, a heap of you need to deal with your own derangement first... still.... before we can all put this phenomenon behind us
5 years in... Im seeing no signs of it...
and corona has just triggered youse all again...
every single issue seen through a pro trump / anti trump lens...
which has lead to some woeful decisions and behaviour from 'the left'
I am dead serious here, if your whole world is viewed through the lens of trumpism... of course you are going to make some bad choices...
very few good decisions are made under the influence of constant rage
that's just how it is
the 'science' of it if you will...
sypkan wrote:"To the general point argued here if Trump is the answer you’re asking the wrong question. Trump was and always be wrong."
I don't think there is anybody on here arguing trump is the answer... literally no one... ever....
I wouldn't say he is the answer for the future or not the answer in being good for the USA long term or a great leader as such.
But i honestly think he was exactly what USA politics needed at the time, a real good shake up, and he did exactly that he shook things up.
And he got people voting and you would hope he has helped end the culture of political dynasties in the USA which is really fucked up.
Plus he created a turning point between relations with China and the West, something no one else had the balls to do but we all knew needed to be done.
sypkan wrote:"To the general point argued here if Trump is the answer you’re asking the wrong question. Trump was and always be wrong."
I don't think there is anybody on here argueing trump is the answer... literally no one... ever...
but the perpetually deranged, see any attempt to put it all into some semblance of context as arguing for trump, ...every time! ...every issue! ...that's your problem... not anyone's that just wants to talk about the issues...
trump should have just been a shot over the bow to the democrats, a warning, to wake up to what is actually going on... and reform...
should have...
but the democrats, the never trumpers, and 'the resistance' (...pffffffff...) ...made it all about trump
you all played right into his hands
he would have barely been a one term abonimation, and swiftly voted out and forgotten legitimately.... but instead...
we all have to deal with trumpism for decades to come...
that's just as unforgivable as the 'third way' ip lubricated bullshit that put him there in the first place...
these crimes seemed redeemable... seemed... totally... but the way you lot carry on, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon... if at all...
sadly, a heap of you need to deal with your own derangement first... still.... before we can all put this phenomenon behind us
5 years in... Im seeing no signs of it...
Surely Biden’s Build Back Better Plan, at least in conception, and his Infrastructure and Jobs Act, are legislative programs designed ‘to deal with trumpism’ and address some of the inequalities that The Donald exploited on his way to the White House. You know, Biden is genuinely trying to do some of the stuff that Trump was perpetually announcing that he was about to announce. I'd assumed a man of the left would be supportive of such strong state intervention.
Night sypkan keep the pillaging down tonight ok
"Surely Biden’s Build Back Better Plan, at least in conception, and his mn. JInfrastructure and Jobs Act, are legislative programs designed ‘to deal with trumpism’ and address some of the inequalities that The Donald exploited on his way to the White House. You know, Biden is genuinely trying to do some of the stuff that Trump was perpetually announcing that he was about to announce. I'd assumed a man of the left would be supportive of such strong state intervention."
well tbh, 'build back better' just makes me cringe...
as it is tied to yet even more gaslighting by the left... and it is this ongoing lack of respect and transparency that hurts as much as anything else...
because whilst nyt talks of 'conspiracy'...
leaders across the world have mysteriously, unaminously, found themselves with the same mantra at this exact same point in time...
but I'll try to not let the nyt ongoing lies and misinformation campaigns influence me too much... and say, it is better than nothing that biden has stolen trump's glaringly obvious infrastructure inititiative...
even if it is full of holes and economic irresponsibility
dunno about 'genuinely' ...i'd say it's more like the most desperate of endeavours to make up some lost ground...
"In 2020, Joe Biden won 60 percent of college-educated voters. Biden-voting counties were responsible for 70 percent of the GDP. America’s less-educated and less-productive citizens drive anti-government patriotism, both in its armed and elected wings, but they mostly, despite themselves, pick their representatives from the ranks of the Ivy League and other similarly elite institutions around the country. Even in their rage against elites, the anti-elitists fall back on the deep structure of American power."
"American populism has always been something of a misnomer. For one thing, Donald Trump never won the popular vote. For another, populists tend to be economically left-wing, and the policies of Trump’s government did nothing to restrict corporate interests or the tech monopolies. His inner circle was every bit as much a part of the American elite as its opponents—Steven Mnuchin (Yale ’85), Ben Carson (Yale ’73), Wilbur Ross (Yale ’59), Stephen Schwarzman (Yale ’69), Jared Kushner (Harvard ’03), Steve Bannon (Harvard ’85), Mike Pompeo (Harvard Law ’94), and, of course, Trump himself (University of Pennsylvania, ’68). Trump’s inaugural Cabinet had more Harvard alumni than Obama’s. "
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/ivy-league-apologists-...
Not US specific but this tweet outlines Russian troop / logistics movements towards the Ukrainian border.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Andy_Scollick/status/1481977928246337542?t=Zt...
sypkan wrote:the great uniter in chief?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/14/flailing-biden-sold-w...
https://johnkassnews.com/like-thelma-and-louise-biden-and-schumer-drive-...?
I enjoyed reading both of those and agreed wholeheartedly.
Terimah kasih.
So, Biden is hyping a fake threat of “Jim Crow 2.0” and using racial dog whistles in an attempt to drive these voters away from the GOP. This would be a cynical ploy by any president. But coming from one who promised to put his “whole soul” into uniting the country, it is shameful and pathetic.…………shameful and pathetic pretty well sums up biden
It has never been a democracy ….but at least they used to pretend.
“Between January 1 and September 27, at least 19 states enacted 33 laws that make it harder for Americans to vote.
At the same time, lawmakers in many states responded to Americans’ eagerness to vote by making it easier for eligible voters to cast their ballots. Between January 1 and September 27, at least 25 states enacted 62 laws with provisions that expand voting access.
But this expansive legislation does not balance the scales. The states that have enacted restrictive laws tend to be ones in which voting is already relatively difficult, while the states that have enacted expansive laws tend to have relatively more accessible voting processes. In other words, access to the right to vote increasingly depends on the state in which a voter happens to reside.
Congress has the power to protect American voters from the kinds of restrictions enacted so far this year. The Freedom to Vote Act, which is currently before the Senate, is a comprehensive package of voting, redistricting, and campaign finance reforms. It includes national standards for voting that would ensure access to the ballot across state lines. The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, which has passed in the House, would complement the Freedom to Vote Act. In many instances, it would prevent changes to voting rules that discriminate on the basis of race or membership in language minority groups from being implemented, and it would restore voters’ robust ability to challenge discriminatory laws. Three of the four omnibus restrictive laws were enacted in states that would be subject to preclearance under the John Lewis Act (FL, GA, TX).
Restrictive Legislation
The 33 laws enacted so far in 2021 have various impacts, including but not limited to making mail voting and early voting more difficult, imposing harsher voter ID requirements, and making faulty voter purges more likely. In an emerging trend, restrictive laws in four states — Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, and Texas — impose new or more stringent criminal penalties on election officials or other individuals. In addition, other newly enacted laws impose new criminal penalties, including AZ H.B. 2794 and TX H.B. 574.
These new criminal laws will deter election officials and other people who assist voters from engaging in ordinary, lawful, and often essential tasks. People in Georgia can now be charged with a crime for handing out water or snacks to voters waiting in line at the polls.
In Iowa and Kansas, people could face criminal charges for returning ballots on behalf of voters who may need assistance, such as voters with disabilities.
And in Texas, election officials could face criminal prosecution if they encourage voters to request mail ballots or regulate poll watchers’ conduct.”
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roun...
Russian know is now of US promise of James Baker "not one inch eastward" is by NATO is when same for boy say to girlfriend when big Sputnik rocket sit at pearly gate first time.
My Slavic ain’t so great Vlad, but is there a direct equivalent to ‘just the tip’ in Russian?
Russian comrade always follow Stalin promise is of to front soldier in war when with woman.
He say
"it will be long, hard and there will be no withdrawal"
Work well for vlad much
blindboy wrote:It has never been a democracy ….but at least they used to pretend.
“Between January 1 and September 27, at least 19 states enacted 33 laws that make it harder for Americans to vote.
At the same time, lawmakers in many states responded to Americans’ eagerness to vote by making it easier for eligible voters to cast their ballots. Between January 1 and September 27, at least 25 states enacted 62 laws with provisions that expand voting access.
But this expansive legislation does not balance the scales. The states that have enacted restrictive laws tend to be ones in which voting is already relatively difficult, while the states that have enacted expansive laws tend to have relatively more accessible voting processes. In other words, access to the right to vote increasingly depends on the state in which a voter happens to reside.
Congress has the power to protect American voters from the kinds of restrictions enacted so far this year. The Freedom to Vote Act, which is currently before the Senate, is a comprehensive package of voting, redistricting, and campaign finance reforms. It includes national standards for voting that would ensure access to the ballot across state lines. The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act, which has passed in the House, would complement the Freedom to Vote Act. In many instances, it would prevent changes to voting rules that discriminate on the basis of race or membership in language minority groups from being implemented, and it would restore voters’ robust ability to challenge discriminatory laws. Three of the four omnibus restrictive laws were enacted in states that would be subject to preclearance under the John Lewis Act (FL, GA, TX).
Restrictive Legislation
The 33 laws enacted so far in 2021 have various impacts, including but not limited to making mail voting and early voting more difficult, imposing harsher voter ID requirements, and making faulty voter purges more likely. In an emerging trend, restrictive laws in four states — Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, and Texas — impose new or more stringent criminal penalties on election officials or other individuals. In addition, other newly enacted laws impose new criminal penalties, including AZ H.B. 2794 and TX H.B. 574.
These new criminal laws will deter election officials and other people who assist voters from engaging in ordinary, lawful, and often essential tasks. People in Georgia can now be charged with a crime for handing out water or snacks to voters waiting in line at the polls.
In Iowa and Kansas, people could face criminal charges for returning ballots on behalf of voters who may need assistance, such as voters with disabilities.
And in Texas, election officials could face criminal prosecution if they encourage voters to request mail ballots or regulate poll watchers’ conduct.”https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roun...
What garbage clearly changes aren't made to make voting harder, they are made to make voting more secure to prevent the problem of voting fraud and other issues seen in 2021.
Its not just voting fraud though there are other issues that postal voting brings up, for example democrats groups go out and target areas like apartment buildings doing door knocks with postal ballets ensuring on the spot the ballets are filled out with a vote for democrats and then they take and post them.
In a country like USA where voting is not compulsory little things like this can make a difference.
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