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Indo: you’ve brought something into this that isn’t there. There’s no reported widespread targeting of juries by extremists. If there was, there’s just as much risk to jurors from the ‘right’ in cases like Derek Chauvin’s, but that hasn’t transpired either. It’s not reality, as much as you try and make it so. But even if it were, you’re drawing another long(er) bow to suggest that they’d convict out of fear of recrimination. So, with zero examples of it, and little direct bearing on the case it’s pretty much a walking, talking strawman.
Fark coming here to read the same brain farts from the same intellects is more of a downer than listening to early Leonard Cohen songs .... seriously
And to your first point. We absolutely don’t need more naive, impulsive individuals putting themselves in harms way.
‘Rioters combated’ - one of the more ridiculous statements made thus far.
You reckon Kyle had more to do with stopping the riots than the 1500 national guard and who knows how many police deployed in Kenosha? Doesn’t stack up. I said it again - the police chief said publicly that he didn’t want them there. Who are you to demand that we ‘need more people’ to ignore the direction of the local authorities. Do you think it makes their job easier or harder?
I’ve been in a couple of riots and almost riots. You know what makes things worse? Having opposing parties mixed up. You know what makes it even even worse? Dickheads with guns.
etarip wrote:Indo: you’ve brought something into this that isn’t there. There’s no reported widespread targeting of juries by extremists. If there was, there’s just as much risk to jurors from the ‘right’ in cases like Derek Chauvin’s, but that hasn’t transpired either. It’s not reality, as much as you try and make it so. But even if it were, you’re drawing another long(er) bow to suggest that they’d convict out of fear of recrimination. So, with zero examples of it, and little direct bearing on the case it’s pretty much a walking, talking strawman.
Of FFS you can't be that naive?
It's not even worth discussing you obviously live in a dream world.
etarip wrote:And to your first point. We absolutely don’t need more naive, impulsive individuals putting themselves in harms way.
‘Rioters combated’ - one of the more ridiculous statements made thus far.
You reckon Kyle had more to do with stopping the riots than the 1500 national guard and who knows how many police deployed in Kenosha? Doesn’t stack up. I said it again - the police chief said publicly that he didn’t want them there. Who are you to demand that we ‘need more people’ to ignore the direction of the local authorities. Do you think it makes their job easier or harder?
Yeah off course police chief is going to say that, its what he is suppose to say.
But police on the ground, actually were recorded giving Kyle and others praise, saying they appreciated them being there.
They were also putting out fires, Kyle was recorded putting out a fire in a skip bin ones of those wankers that got shot was trying to push towards police lines.
blindboy wrote:"we need more people like Kyle"
Yep we need more self-righteous 17 year olds who have yet to figure out that their masculinity doesn't depend on the size of their penis substitute, acting as vigilantes in situations they can only make worse by their presence. You just keep sinking in my estimation Indo. You used seem sensible if misguided, now you are heading right out into RWNJ territory. I hope you never find yourself in a situation in which you feel compelled to act with the violence you are so quick to justify and reccommend here.
Yes people like Kyle= people there protecting their community and standing up to the rioters trying to burn and smash shit up, people saying enough is enough you cant just riot, loot, burn and smash shit up without some residence, enough is enough.
Kyle and co aren't the violent one's the guns are there for protection, if Kyle had gone there without a gun and tried putting out the fires they lit, as he was recorded doing moments before the incident, he would have been beaten to a pulp.
The over masculine macho wankers, are those smashing shit up and setting things on fire and clashing with authorities, and trying to attack people like Kyle
The problem with people like you, is you lack of condemnation of those rioting and even trying to justify it, we saw it all through 2020 that's what's fucked up.
No Indo. You’re in a dream world. You’ve brought something into this case that isn’t there. You’re saying that there is an undefined threat to the jurors that may have led them to convict Rittenhouse? I’m saying that it doesn’t stack up.
As far as naivety and dream worlds. I’ve told you mate, I’ve spent plenty of time in relatively hairy situations, and plenty of time training impulsive young men to a. not put themselves in a situation where they’re going to make a situation worse and put themselves in harm’s way unnecessarily and b. that when they are in those situations that pointing guns at irrational people often has a counter-productive outcome.
I have no time for the rioters, but I think your world view is dangerous and misguided.
GuySmiley wrote:Fark coming here to read the same brain farts from the same intellects is more of a downer than listening to early Leonard Cohen songs .... seriously
Got to say I like early Leonard Cohen... :)
This thread is a bit like channel surfing between fox and cnn.
The US has some pretty screwed up gun laws.
What's really screwed up , IMO , is that grown adults encouraged and condone a 17 year old kid to be armed with an assault rifle and be allowed into a dangerous and riotous situation . What the fark is wrong with those people .
This case was clearly self defense in my view, but I blame adults for even allowing him or others to be put in that situation , but they won't be held accountable over there.
Sure he's a misguided muppet, but White supremacy my arse , give it a rest.
No winners here , but if anything, this was a victory against race baiting and politicising ongoing trials before the court.
“Sure he's a misguided muppet, but White supremacy my arse , give it a rest.No winners here , but if anything, this was a victory against race baiting and politicising ongoing trials before the court “
Agree. The concerted effort to divide US society is heavy. Anything to distract from the class war.
You mean like a defeated President denying that he was beaten and encouraging his followers to attack the Capitol building? Seems pretty divisive to me!
Go gang! Let's see if we can get to 200 pages of nonsense and break the all-time swellnet record of bullshit which has never changed anyone else's opinion.
"This thread is a bit like channel surfing between fox and cnn.
The US has some pretty screwed up gun laws.
What's really screwed up , IMO , is that grown adults encouraged and condone a 17 year old kid to be armed with an assault rifle and be allowed into a dangerous and riotous situation . What the fark is wrong with those people .
This case was clearly self defense in my view, but I blame adults for even allowing him or others to be put in that situation , but they won't be held accountable over there.
Sure he's a misguided muppet, but White supremacy my arse , give it a rest.
No winners here , but if anything, this was a victory against race baiting and politicising ongoing trials before the court."
that pretty much sums it up...
how some can still be rattling on about race, white supremacy, and generally not accepting the reality of the situation and outcome is just bizarre...
post modernism in full effect!
...is the only possible explanation for two groups to be so far apart on the reality of what's happening here...
and it is bloody scary for the future
Ray Dalio, the most successful fund manager of all time, has a very interesting and informative bigger picture perspective of the current deteriorating internal state of US society.
I also believe the below explains a significant portion of the current global situation and state of affairs.
Ray Dalio wrote:A few years ago, I observed the emergence of a number of big developments that hadn’t happened before in my lifetime but had occurred numerous times in history... the world order is now rapidly shifting in important ways that have never happened in our lifetimes but have happened many times before in history.
As I studied history, I saw that it typically transpires via relatively well-defined life cycles... All the empires and dynasties I studied rose and declined in a classic Big Cycle that has clear markers that allow us to see where we are in it.
I believe that we are now seeing an archetypical big shift in relative wealth and power and the world order that will affect everyone in all countries in profound ways.
...no system of government, no economic system, no currency, and no empire lasts forever, yet almost everyone is surprised and ruined when they fail.
I believe that the reason people typically miss the big moments of evolution coming at them in life is because they experience only tiny pieces of what’s happening. We are like ants preoccupied with our jobs of carrying crumbs in our very brief lifetimes instead of having a broader perspective of the big-picture patterns and cycles, the important interrelated things driving them, where we are within the cycles, and what’s likely to transpire.
The most important three cycles are: the long-term debt and capital markets cycle, the internal order and disorder cycle, and the external order and disorder cycle.
The Long-Term Debt and Capital Markets Cycle: At no point in our lifetimes have interest rates been so low or negative on so much debt as they are as of this writing. The value of money and debt assets is being called into question.
The Internal Order and Disorder Cycle: Wealth, values, and political gaps are now larger than at any other point during my lifetime...
The External Order and Disorder Cycle: For the first time in my life, the United States is encountering a true rival power. China has become a rival power to the United States in most ways and is becoming strong in most ways at a faster rate.
THE ARCHETYPICAL BIG CYCLE
The Rise:
The rise is the prosperous period of building that comes after a new order. It is when the country is fundamentally strong because there are a) relatively low levels of indebtedness, b) relatively small wealth, values, and political gaps between people, c) people working effectively together to produce prosperity, d) good education and infrastructure, e) strong and capable leadership, and f) a peaceful world order that is guided by one or more dominant world powers, which leads to . . .The Top:
This period is characterized by excesses in the form of a) high levels of indebtedness, b) large wealth, values, and political gaps, c) declining education and infrastructure, d) conflicts between different classes of people within countries, and e) struggles between countries as overextended empires are challenged by emerging rivals, which leads to . .The Decline:
This is the painful period of fighting and restructuring that leads to great conflicts and great changes and the establishment of new internal and external orders. It sets the stage for the next new order and a new period of prosperous building.
The US is currently clearly displaying all the indicators of being at the top of the cycle and starting to go down the other side to the decline. One of the greatest and most important events in modern world history - the decline of the US superpower - is potentially happening right before our eyes, in our lifetime, right now as we speak.
I think it's worth listening to what Ray Dalio has to say. The above is from:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/changing-world-order-ray-dalio-1f/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/chapter-1-big-picture-tiny-nutshell-ray-d...
yeah, I read those Dalio analyses.
very smart guy, who may well be right.
Politico is straight down the middle.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-verdi...
Some of that US wealth disparity just got, well, changed - via flashmob looters:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/smash-and-grab-flashmobs-target-louis-...
Footage is quite nuts
Dalio articles insightful.
straight down the middle...
except failing to acknowledge that the whole shitshow, is a direct result of democrats giving rioters free reign for about four months...
encouraging, excusing, supporting...
they have no idea what they unleashed and legitimisrd in that process
or, they fail to admit it... denial is what they do...
they changed the rules long before this court case did
but apart from that... the article does make quite a scary point...
Straight down the middle....as opposed to sypkan who is so bent to the right he's eligible for a disability pension.
its not me thats the extremist!
I actually am straight down the middle
I think kyle is a tool, and the whole thing is a disaster
you on the other hand... are wrapped up in the post modernist fairy garden version of events
none of it happened in a vaccuum
its all action... equal opposite counter reaction... mr. science teacher man...
Scoliosis?
That article lost me in the second paragraph BB.
"There is legal ground to use your weapon. Just claim fear."
Really? It's that simple you reckon.?
There is no precedent here in the eyes of US law that would see people gunning down protesters at rallies or 'mostly peaceful' riots , and getting away with it based on a basic claim to fear .That's absurd.
Does it encourage them .? Maybe , if the media keeps carrying on with this crap.
Random Aussue bloke on the internet disagrees with carefully considered commentary by professional US political journalist about US politics. Yawn.
Scoliosis? Well they thought so but when they did an X Ray they couldn't find the spine.
blindboy wrote:Random Aussue bloke on the internet disagrees with carefully considered commentary by professional US political journalist about US politics. Yawn.
The Politico argument was a biased opinion piece with an awful agenda to further entrench racial division and enhance the stupid idea that there is a racial divide in the US which sits along party political lines. The article was steeped in fact-free thought bubbles. Just because it appeared under a professionally designed masthead logo makes not a jot of difference.
It’s hate porn for those who dream of a divided society.
Despite the backdrop for the public violence which occurred at Kenosha, the event concerning the shootings had nothing at all to do with race or racial disharmony. The way the article tries link the situation to anything larger than some criminals on a rioting spree getting shot after their violent exuberance led to them attacking someone who was capable of defending themselves is disgusting.
blindboy wrote:Scoliosis? Well they thought so but when they did an X Ray they couldn't find the spine.
……And in a couple of hours Blindboy will be back to mewling that he can’t understand others using insults towards him when he’s a paragon of respectful grace.
Where is the evidence for this rubbish claim? Just because someone is a professor doesn’t mean that they aren’t capable of saying things which are unsubstantiated and malicious bullshit:
“Rittenhouse’s acquittal, scholars say, sends a signal to those who want to take up arms to defend property or attend politically or racially charged events: There is legal ground for you to use your weapon. Just claim fear.
Those protections though likely will not extend to everyone.
“I don’t have to tell you this, there is no set of circumstances, no reading of the law, no rendering of the imagination, in which a Black person could get away with this,” said Cornell William Brooks, former president and CEO of the NAACP, who now teaches at Harvard University”
The shooting at Kenosha had NOTHING to do with a protest of any sort. The shootings occurred as the result of a violent attack on an individual. There is no racial connotations at all and to try and opportunistically concoct race hate and racial disharmony out of the situation is shameful behaviour.
".....said Cornell William Brooks, former president and CEO of the NAACP, who now teaches at Harvard University."
"“A concern about this verdict is that it will authorize other counter protesters to attend marches and act as the vigilante police,” said Paul Butler, a Georgetown law professor and former federal prosecutor.
"The state’s lieutenant governor, Mandela Barnes (D), who is Black and seeking to replace Johnson in the Senate countered, “The enabling and empowerment of vigilantism, plus the sheer effort to defend the taking of life, is not something we should ever be comfortable with.”'
"Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), chair of the Judiciary committee, on Twitter decried the verdict, saying it created a “dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ.”"
“There’s no way to get around … the intimidating factor of white men dressed in paramilitary garb with automatic weapons,” said Steven Wright, a law professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison."
Two law professors, a lieutenant governor, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee and the president of the NAACP as oppossewd to? A couple of Republican dimwits using the kid for political purposes.
"“A concern about this verdict is that it will authorize other counter protesters to attend marches and act as the vigilante police,” said Paul Butler, a Georgetown law professor and former federal prosecutor.“
The “march” itself was an unmitigated criminality under the guise of vigilantism, as was every BLM riot across the USA. The BLM riots were definitive vigilantism ie a mob taking the law into its own hands after they believed the authorities failed to act appropriately.
"The state’s lieutenant governor, Mandela Barnes (D), who is Black and seeking to replace Johnson in the Senate countered, “The enabling and empowerment of vigilantism, plus the sheer effort to defend the taking of life, is not something we should ever be comfortable with.”'
Enabled and empowered vigilantism? The sheer effort to defend the taking of life? It was a clear cut court case about someone defending themselves from attackers. The “sheer effort” is also known as the justice system. A system which worked accordingly in this instance when the law was upheld and a person’s right to self defence was maintained.
"Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), chair of the Judiciary committee, on Twitter decried the verdict, saying it created a “dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ.”"
Again with the attempt to create the impression that something beyond the explicit terms of the US legal system and the moral imperative behind it has occurred. Repeat- A US citizen has the legal and human right to defend themselves against attackers. This is what happened, nothing more and nothing less. This precedent was set hundreds of years ago when the very first instance of self defence was used in the US justice system. Nothing new, nothing inappropriate except for the way this particular case is being politicised.
“There’s no way to get around … the intimidating factor of white men dressed in paramilitary garb with automatic weapons,” said Steven Wright, a law professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison."
More red meat to the race baiters. The skin colour of the victim (Rittenhouse) has nothing to do with anything. Not to mention the fact that the US has had non-white militia dressed in paramilitary gear for over 80 years at least. As evidenced by the photo I posted above.
There’s no nice way to put this- the entire article is but one example of the disgraceful politicisation of racial tension beyond any existing and legitimate racial discord. Its a bunch of political actors and those who seek power and career advancement through exaggerating and sowing racial division amongst US society. It’s shameful and you do humanity no service by perpetuating this evil rubbish Blindboy.
Race baiting red meat for Fake Left fucktards is all it is.
Heres an idea
Only protest peacefully and there will be zero need for anyone to arm themselves to help protect peoples community's
Its crazy to expect people to just sit back and watch their community's be destroyed looted and burned.
Blowin wrote:Where is the evidence for this rubbish claim? Just because someone is a professor doesn’t mean that they aren’t capable of saying things which are unsubstantiated and malicious bullshit:
“Rittenhouse’s acquittal, scholars say, sends a signal to those who want to take up arms to defend property or attend politically or racially charged events: There is legal ground for you to use your weapon. Just claim fear.
Those protections though likely will not extend to everyone.
“I don’t have to tell you this, there is no set of circumstances, no reading of the law, no rendering of the imagination, in which a Black person could get away with this,” said Cornell William Brooks, former president and CEO of the NAACP, who now teaches at Harvard University”
A brief study of law enforcement interactions with black Americans would probably support the above article. A black guy walking into a police line with a gun over his shoulder after shooting 4 people. They’d let him walk through and go home? Come on Blowin, get real.
Show me evidence and I’ll believe you. Otherwise it’s just more race baiting politicised rubbish. Blindboy and politico want you to believe it’s still 1955 in the state of US race relationships.
Here’s an example of a non-white shooter injuring multiple innocent people without even a claim of self defence. It’s a revenge shooting…..imagine if Rittenhouse had been beaten up by the paedophile and then later chased him down and shot him. He surrendered to authorities exactly the same as Rittenhouse. There is literally no evidence to back your assertion. It’s emotive rubbish used to inflame racial tensions for political gain.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/07/suspected-texas-high-school-shooter-releas...
indo-dreaming wrote:Heres an idea
Only protest peacefully and there will be zero need for anyone to arm themselves to help protect peoples community's
Its crazy to expect people to just sit back and watch their community's be destroyed looted and burned.
All non peaceful protesting is vigilantism.
"Show me evidence and I’ll believe you"
Oh my giddy aunt.
When has evidence ever mattered to you blowin?
No amount of links to reliable sources has EVER convinced you that YOU are wrong.
You make up shit that doesn't stack up. eg "Covid has a survival rate of 99.98%", "50% of people living in Australia were born overseas" "90% of international students are Chinese" blah blah blah. and when people show you the real figures, you just ignore them and keep repeating the lie. You live in a world of alternative facts champ, fabricating your own reality, which is bullet proof to evidence.
"Show me the evidence". Where's that face palm gif when you need it?
"...and when people show you the real figures, you just ignore them and keep repeating the lie. You live in a world of alternative facts champ, fabricating your own reality,..."
exactly what you did moral compass, three days ago about rittenhouse
and the 'insurrection' alternative facts were repeated for weeks even after corrected
amongst others
you, are ridiculous
"...and when people show you the real figures, you just ignore them and keep repeating the lie. You live in a world of alternative facts champ, fabricating your own reality,..."
exactly what you do moral compass, three days ago about rittenhouse
and the 'insurrection' alternative facts were repeated for weeks even after corrected
amongst others
you, are ridiculous
"...and when people show you the real figures, you just ignore them and keep repeating the lie. You live in a world of alternative facts champ, fabricating your own reality,..."
exactly what you do moral compass, three days ago about rittenhouse
and the 'insurrection' alternative facts were repeated for weeks even after corrected
amongst others
you, are ridiculous
>counting stops
>trucks arrive in the night
>counting resumes, with a different result
The rest is all hot air. I do admire the strength everyone has to keep discussion and abuse going on for so long. Americans are the world's best showmen.
Hi Blindboy
Jason Whitlock (@WhitlockJason) Tweeted:
Had Darrell Brooks been black, no way police take him into custody alive. #WhitePrivilege
Hi Blindboy
Had Darrell Brooks been black, no way police take him into custody alive. #WhitePrivilege
— Jason Whitlock (@WhitlockJason) November 22, 2021
Very true, Indo.
The media lies about racial disparity in order to create divisions and enhance disharmony throughout society. This is beyond obvious. It says so much about the ludicrous state of tribalism into which many people have been encouraged to drown themselves . Usual story - divide and conquer.
Vaccinated vs unvaccinated
Not just Black vs White but Team Black vs Team White. A segregation which transcends the colour of someone’s own skin and relates to their political alliance.
Trump vs Anti Trump
Educated vs Non educated ( perhaps the funniest but also the most cringe worthy. Someone thinking they’re impervious to being stupid because they scraped through an arts degree…lol)
Etc etc
Got to keep the plebs arguing amongst themselves lest they realise that they’re being cornered into neo feudalism.
pretty funny most media haven't even yet acknowledged it was a black guy
meanwhile... in that other case... all it was was... white white white white!
these people publishing this shit are so strange
pretty funny most media haven't even yet acknowledged it was a black guy
and that's a big big most...
meanwhile... in that other case... all it was was... white white white white!
these people pushing this shit are so strange
Not strange….evil.
I am pretty sure that I have not referred to anyone's race in the whole discussion......but ramble on. In the unlikely event that any of the resident ratbags have anything new to say, I might comment. Very touched that blowin misses me so much but other than that it's just groundhog day. Same old shit everyday.
"In the days after the Democratic Party’s collapse in the Virginia governor’s race, party strategists descended on the commonwealth to figure out what went wrong and understand just how bad the national outlook might be next year.
What they discovered, largely through focus groups and polling, was even worse than expected. The problems cut far deeper than the failings of their gubernatorial nominee, Terry McAuliffe, or President Joe Biden’s flagging approval ratings. Rather, the Democratic Party’s entire brand was a wreck...
...Most of the voters Third Way spoke with in suburban Virginia focus groups, according to the report, “could not articulate what Democrats stand for. They could also not say what they are doing in Washington, besides fighting.
And those were just the people who voted for Biden.
Less than a year ahead of midterm elections, in which even Democrats widely expect they will lose the House and, possibly, the Senate, the party is confronting an identity crisis. It isn’t just Biden’s cratering public approval ratings, inflation, or the precedent that the party in power typically loses seats in a president’s first midterm.
Just one year after Democrats kicked Donald Trump from the White House, it’s not obvious to many voters what Democrats are doing now that they’re in charge — despite the enactment of major legislation, including a $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill earlier this year and an infrastructure bill last week..."
democrats are a train wreck...
"...“We have policies to run on now, and that’s a good thing,” said Aliza Astrow, a political analyst at Third Way.
But the ominous development for Democrats is that the infrastructure and social spending policies they’re preparing to run on, despite generally polling favorably, show few signs of helping them at the ballot box. Fifty-seven percent of Americans support the infrastructure bill, according to a Quinnipiac University poll last week. And a similar majority supports Biden’s social spending plan. But Biden’s job approval rating in the same poll was a dismal 36 percent. The disconnect shows up in almost every poll. In an ABC News/Washington Post survey, 63 percent of voters support Biden’s infrastructure bill, yet only 35 percent of voters say he’s accomplished much..."
seems stealing trump's infrastructure plan just ain't cutting it
people can see through the bullshit
and some wonder why they get criticism...
even politico knows they're a basket case...
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/23/dems-joe-biden-infrastructure-m...
Interesting interview
Indicates he will take legal action for defamation against some too, can't wait, media are farked.
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank