COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
Nobody doubts that big corporations have a huge impact on government policies but there are limits to their influence.
Governments still want to get re-elected so they aren't completely owned, and politicians will say "no" on some occasions.
What exactly does a government have to gain by denying an alleged effective and cheap treatment for covid? Answer Nothing. Governments could save an absolute fortune in medical costs if Ivermectin was effective.
What has a government got to lose if they denied an alleged effective and cheap treatment for covid? Answer Power. The voting public would ruthlessly punish any govt for needlessly putting people's health at risk.
And finally, what are the chances of a govt getting caught denying people an alleged cheap and effective treatment for covid? Extremely high given the amount of medical professionals involved in research and treatment of covid.
I get why people have a dislike for Big Pharma, but this idea that big corporations are leaning on governments to deny Ivermectin is pure nonsense.
you picking and choosing when big money has power to suit your agenda is pure nonsense
absolutely hypocritical at best
but that's what you do
shamelessly
All those crapping on about a Big Pharma conspiracy getting stuck into us with covid vaccines please do yourself a favour and spend 30 minutes in your local pharmacy sometime. The amount of oldies wheeling a shopping trolley full of "life saving" drugs out the door is staggering. Its like a lolly shop. Covid vaccines are chump change compared to amount of product rolling out the pharmacy door on a regular basis to millions around the world. Now there's a conspiracy theory start up for one of you air heads on this thread. No thanks required!!!
or you could spend 30 seconds on the internet...
Pfizer on Wednesday reported its second quarter results, beating top- and bottom-line expectations and raising its guidance for 2021 yet again. The U.S. pharmaceutical giant reported a net profit of $5.56 billion on revenue of $18.98 billion for the second quarter of 2021, mainly thanks to its COVID-19 vaccine. BNT162b2, as the drug is officially called, accounted for 41 percent of Pfizer’s revenue for the quarter, dwarfing any other drug in Pfizer’s vast portfolio.
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Governments still want to get re-elected so they aren't completely owned, and politicians will say "no" on some occasions. .
Unless your name is Barnaby Joyce, he doese exactly what Gina tells him to. We just get the bill.
Dear Rollout Conductor...Week 35 ....Alarming Vax Reaction wake up call!
A family Affair.
Sept Recap : tbb & Son share crowded Train Seat from Bne... > Son soon gets Vaxed
Son: "Dad! Can I move back home!"
Dad : " Sure Son...obliged to inform that yer Dad is not vaxed!"
Son rings back : "It's Ok Dad, I've found another place!"
Mum Phones & says: "...got my Vax Today!"
"You'll need to get vaxed for the Boy to move back in!"
"I can't enter yer house anymore, so I'll leave some stuff at yer door!"
"Looks like we can't meet for Xmas until you get vaxed!"
"You must stop reading about that stuff & don't wait for Test results...just get vaxed!"
Mum evokes old school fable of people with flip top lids & no hearts are tuff enough to scull a Vax...
Says that she's disappointed in me for spreading rumours that she was on her death bed? (Say Wot!!!)
(Note:) tbb mentioned he had no phone of any sort...homeline only just came back on a week ago!
Nope! No way, never spoke to anyone...Mum went cold on it! But why even be so cruel to yer Son?
Sure! We all forgive our Mums & sooner the better! That does not sound like tbb's Mum...No way!
Last week's ultra hesitant Mum is now a fully licensed Mandated Vax Machine Gun...
Posing a Question here!
Vax God gene evokes bully like powers that brutalize history & cares least for the way of the World.
tbb is classified mental & resided with such...but never seen the soul sapping creepiness of this Vax.
What the hell is in that evil shit!
Why are the Govt injecting pure hate into people's veins that poisons their minds.
Vaxed Family Bullies just tore tbb's heart outta his chest...soon dehumanized & bullied enough to Vax.
If there is a God...please add a touch of kindness & a dose of reality into the Booster.
Black sheep of the family tattoo until death...good one Oz...more mental & stigmatized than ever!
Sure! We all get the fact that Vax can selfishly limit Virus impact on the White healthy'n'wealthy mostly.
But none are selfish enough to vax for themselves in a Pandemic, if it knowingly infects others.
We plainly see each & every Nation has spread more Covid, Death & Hospital Crisis since Vax Rollouts.
There is No Mandate unless someone anyone can first turn that Hot mess around with an apology.
Each day Vax puts us further behind from breaking even...where is this Holy Grail for the Vax Mandate!
For the record, some casual "states" or "regions" can & have lazed Rollouts for the better!
Isolation plays the larger role & we all agree to that...but it can paint Vax as a lesser villain...(re: WA)
tbb is not antivax just anti Pandemic Profiteering of Vax...it's cruel, damaging, unlawful & it must stop!
If we can't be truthful to ourselves then this keeps going downhill & grows worse each day, as it is.
Truth will win out & then will we live freely...was angling for a happy ending...tbb is joking, right!
Shit tbb . The story sounds so possibly true I am unsure if you are joking .
My story is similar but not as extreme and my heart is still where it should be .
Australians have definitely changed with this thread being a great example .
If I was told 10 years ago that Australians would be arguing about mandating a medical procedure I would have never believed them .
tbb listen to your Mum. She's talking sense.
That Petrovsky interview is quite depressing but I must say not unexpected with my (limited) knowledge of how the TGA works.
However, I was shocked to find it costs more than $300 000 just to make a preliminary submission to the TGA.
I think Blindboy is right, requiring that kind of cash might just be the end of ivermectin in this country
The hilarious thing about big pharma conspiracy whackoffs is…..that as soon as they get sick they throw their theories out and put their hands out to receive big pharma medication. Top level fucking idiots.
Blind boy wow you are very arrogant and insensitive .
Please stop telling others what to do and how to live their lives. He wasn’t asking for that. Stop being so judgemental. Just stop.
You’re right Roadkill, Big Pharma can’t live with em can’t live without em.
Kind of depressing though that an Aussie researcher can’t get local support nor the government to even say the name of his vaccine
Don't be Roadkill I keep telling my kids. There's no future in it.
shortenism wrote:Don't be Roadkill I keep telling my kids. There's no future in it.
Right on cue…one of the toppest top level… :)
Fully vaxxed Free to leave
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/travel-exemptions-australia-fully...
udo wrote:Fully vaxxed Free to leave
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-27/travel-exemptions-australia-fully...
I think they should have had home quarantine for a few months to gauge how many bring covid back. Just a few month to see many come back infected.
Actually, UK data clearly shows that, above the age of 30, cases of covid are more likely for fully vaccinated people than for unvaccinated people. That’s a negative effectiveness. The numbers have been steadily degrading for months. Here’s an example, go to Table 2:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
The myth that these particular vaccines effectively prevent infection and transmission has been well and truly busted. I predicted this from the start because they cannot do an effective job of raising secretory IgA in the nasal mucosae (unlike a nasal spray vaccine with a live attenuated virus such as the Codagenix vaccine). Now the goal posts have moved to the vaccines being labelled as effective because they reduced disease severity (the above report provides plenty of numbers on this).
Unfortunately, the explanation for negative (infection) effectiveness bodes ill for the future of hospitalisations and deaths even though the hospitalisation numbers may look good at this time. The discrepancy between vaccinated and unvaccinated infections suggests impaired immune function in the vaccinated which, in turn, suggests antibody dependent enhancement (ADE). This should not come as a surprise as ADE, detected in animal trials, is what terminated multiple vaccine development efforts after SARS1. This time around, we rushed straight into mass human vaccination without even having completed animal trials.
If, like SARS1, these SARS2 vaccines do cause ADE, then we’re going to see more hospitalisations and deaths in the future amongst the vaccinated than amongst the unvaccinated, due to acquired immune deficiency. This will show up as death and illness from multiple pathogens and cancer, not just covid, as a consequence of macrophage destruction. In my opinion, as a professional molecular geneticist, we should not have rushed into this so recklessly given the history of SARS1 vaccine development, and given the broad range of promising treatment options under investigation (for example, I helped start a clinical trial for direct treatment with angiotensin 1-7). We certainly shouldn’t be mandating such narrowly targeted vaccines given the high likelihood of viral escape and ADE.
I really do hope it turns out OK because we can’t unvaccinate millions of people. We should know for sure within two years
Yawn. Sane old shit. When 80% of the population are vaccinated yep there will probably be.more cases amongst the vaccinated. Why not put up the hospitalisation and death rates in the UK as vaccinated vs unvaccinated. As for ADE ha ha ha, hilarious piece of total fucking nonsense.
There's some serious contradictions going on from the usual suspects.
They say the huge amount of money to be made by Big Pharma impacts Ivermectin decisions. But when an Aussie hero has a big vaccine breakthough (alleged) that would make the Aussie government billions, they don't wan to be involved.
The usual suspects also slammed the Vic Govt for giving the CHO too much power, and when the Government tweaks the law so an elected official is more accountable, they scream about Dictator Dan having too much power.
This certainly looks like a case of Whinge no matter what position govts take.
“The myth that these particular vaccines effectively prevent infection and transmission has been well and truly busted.“
Said no one in here ever.
No one thinks this…but snowflakes keep posting it as it suits their uneducated bias.
blindboy wrote:Yawn. Sane old shit. When 80% of the population are vaccinated yep there will probably be.more cases amongst the vaccinated. Why not put up the hospitalisation and death rates in the UK as vaccinated vs unvaccinated. As for ADE ha ha ha, hilarious piece of total fucking nonsense.
I was going to say the same thing re, 80% vaccinated will contribute to an increase in age group numbers.
Blowin really doesn’t think about the wider picture.
Blowin, first page of your link states vaccination is effective in reducing symptomatic infection by 65-95% . Play with ages and numbers as you like that is the simple truth.
blindboy wrote:Blowin, first page of your link states vaccination is effective in reducing symptomatic infection by 65-95% . Play with ages and numbers as you like that is the simple truth.
What a humiliation blowin. Here's a tip. Stop linking articles with data that utterly destroys your bullshit arguments.
Useful tool (from Oxford University): https://www.qcovid.org/
Here's a few more: https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/co...
UK { Vax Passport } Exchange Rates ( Adults 18+ )
30th Sept - 11th Oct { 80% infections } Fully Vaxed 339,317 / 426,516
Upgrade to { 433% 5x more Infectious Vax Club Card } to infect Hesitants in the Royal Covid game park.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surve...
Or come back down to earth & tear up yer fake Vax Passes then isolate to save endangered innocents!
Hesitants are still human enough to participate in Covid Trials to cure the Vax...don't say we didn't offer!
PS: " Xmas Vax Detox Barbie".... already SOLD OUT...Anyone for Tennis!
Phone calls were icy cold alright & Yes blindboy! Mum knows best...Never argue that!
Turn of events! Both Mum & Son needed to befriend tbb to dump all their stuff...knew they'd see sense!
Can also share the Father in Law phones often - (Old, with well dodgy heart) GP is hittin' on him.
Yes tbb walked outta the GP with a Vax form...strange as no Heart test result is now 100% Vax ready?
Did try twice within 24 hrs...Think the Vax slip expired? No idea!
Also reckon that Govts hold off on Outpatient appointments/Surgeries for default Vax override.
Note : Can't vax Month/s either side of Surgery...Vic just put 70,000 surgeries on hold >>> #1 Get Vaxed.
Who thinks that any of those in Vic Surgery Queue hasn't got a Vax form...mandate? Sign X ...operate!
Don't think vaxerz should be enquiring about UK Vax Death Rates unless they know the answer!
Thanx crew & blowin for sharing the UK focus as it's the most Vax relevant to Oz future..
Q&A still spruik that no Vaxer could ever spread or hurt anyone...One Billion fairy tales later....OMG!
tbb gets laughed at, each time he explains Rollout Age declines > Vax Deaths scale up by default.
Firstly tbb recalls outing 80+ Vax death figure at 2x then 4x now see the massive shift.
Also the Age of Higher Vax > Non Vax "death rate" Slides thru the rollout was 70+ now 60+ soon 50+.
80+ Fully Vaxed 1,175 > No Vax 147
70+ Fully Vaxed 599 > No Vax 98
60+ Fully Vaxed 238 > No Vax 105
50+ Fully Vaxed 88 > No Vax 83 ( Vax Overtakes unvaxed 50+ this week)
40+ Fully Vaxed 28 > No Vax 34 - will also soon overtake Vaxed by Rollout speed (Not Virus speed)
UK Health Rollout decides who dies and when...less so the virus...sure, tbb is the crazy one!
tbb salutes UK data > affords backtracking cases 28 days to relate exactly to current Death numbers
[factcheck] Vaxed % are skyrocketing too high to compare against lowering near base level No vaxed.
Meaning Ultra high % samples result in extra low % results (vs) Low samples yield Higher % results.
Same happens in Covid Testing...Mass testing can reduce virus rate (vs) Low tests > High rate.
Sure! some cases are similar 2/3 but one must account for rapid rise (vs) case delay in Death stats.
By the time it draws a pattern it doubles again to mock any similar %...(Back at 50% Vaxed was best!)
tbb has recorded Unvaxed % Deaths per Age presenting higher than no vax% like for like...that is true!
Examples again are Rollout driven as Phases tip over into majority 80+ > 70+ > 60+ > 50+ (even)
Yes! We're talking about Case > Death % of each group (Vaxer Group % vs Non Vaxed Group %)
Interesting is that they also provide less the very next read as if a Peak Wave thru the Rollout.
So when Vax produces more deaths it's only related to Rollout peak as it subsides soon after!
Not seen ongoing rising Vaxer deaths with Vaxer cases as death rate peaks on back of Case peaks
Crew can read ...you'd need a sudden Mass drop in cases to rise Vax 'death rate' < > peak (re: Boosters!)
But! Even then...you can warn of such but it can't be absolutely proven as a Vax failing...why tbb!
One can't discount White wealthy overweight Diabetic Men vaxing & dying in high numbers...Huh!
Sounds crazy, sure does, but tbb checked! (Death rates) 60+ Overweight x2 / Men x2 > Diabeties x5
The odd stat out is that diabetes can be managed into late years so it ranks ultra high in Covid death.
These groups are loaded with "Self managed Wealthy White Men but High Covid risk!" = (High Vaxerz)
tbb can vouch that this checked out...Less anomaly > Less Vax > Just plain dose of reality! None notice!
Think it's only right to research all elevated co aligned stats before condemning extra Vax deaths.
tbb could point out Vax 'might' compromise Senior Diabetic's chance of survival as with other illness.
Have no right to say so...there are excellent UK Health brochures...that's where tbb sourced the stats.
We all know such groups weigh up the risks 5 x more than our crew and a Jab least bothers this lot!
Be surprised to see Under 50 Vax 'death rates' rise above unvaxed (That depends on Boosters!)
Boosters end at 50y'o...this will ramp Under 50 Cases and deaths but should lower the "death rates".
So no! tbb is not seeking headlines and has forewarned of lowering demographic Vax death stats.
Crew can see that above ...tbb still thinks it was fair to alert folk to such, as it's rising faster now!
Yes! Alarming as it is alarming! It's a growing Health Crisis...never less, so we must prepare for it!
Surely it must end when larger healthier but infected unvaxed demographic buries any Death rates.
Can't see Youth to 50 having side health issues as older crews...not gonna happen...wot!
Although, that 40 y/o Vax death stat would be creeping out a lot of Vax brewers. (It's alive!)
Just another "Vax Teen Funeral"...no warning needed...we created this reality...we must own that!
Less tears being shed at yet another Vax kids Phase 4.5 Funeral [ Boosters required for the Wake ]
Like any here...we all have one eye on the next weak link that impedes our quest for normality...
The fact that crew are honing in on UK stats shows it is cause for concern...ain't no denying that!
Vax bullies are #1 infectious & have keys to the City ...not very Sciency nor good health policy! [SOS]
The road to authoritarianism in review. Hindsight lends clarity. How China’s unthinkable 6 day lockdown changed the world and cured Covid from 1.4 Billion people…..magic! How come it took Melbourne almost 300 days and the virus is still an issue?
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-covid-lockdown-pr...
Wrongthink will not be tolerated
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/industrial-commissioner-backed-c...
TheDelta variant being much more infectious explains the difference. The whole story on GOF research.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x?utm_source=Nature+Bri...
Well we’ll what’s going on here.. NSW Gym linked to 15 COVID cases. All fully vaxxed.. https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-sydney-update-exposure-sit...
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This is legitimate Dictator stuff. Opposed by health officials and legal experts ….the Dictator pushes forwards
https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-news-live-covid-19-cases-conti...
shortenism wrote:Well we’ll what’s going on here.. NSW Gym linked to 15 COVID cases. All fully vaxxed.. https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-sydney-update-exposure-sit...
No surprise you are reading what you want to believe.
No where does it say 15 covid cases are all fully vaxxed.
It says under NSW rules only fully vaxxed can attend......so it may be some are fully vaxxed, some are 1 shot vaxxed and some have no vax.(and have gained entry illegally). No use speculating untill you have all the facts. (Facts are those things you don't fully understand)
Blowin wrote:This is legitimate Dictator stuff. Opposed by health officials and legal experts ….the Dictator pushes forwards
https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-news-live-covid-19-cases-conti...
you'd think if the dickhead had any self awareness (or self control...) he'd tone this shit down a bit... but nah, despite what normal people are saying, he just goes harder and harder...
(seems to be endemic amongst a certain cohort)
this is what you get with a totally ineffective and useless opposition, we're seeing it in vicco and federally... and it is an unfloding disaster, dangerously underrated and under addressed by media
All of which demonstrates complete ignorance of both politics and history. Dicatator Dan ha ha ha ha. Hard to know if it is paranoia, gullibility or sheer ignorance. Probably all of the above. Keep it coming. We need more comedy here.
Yeah Roadkill but whatever way u look at it it’s shit fkery. Can’t do this, can do that, can’t do this, must do that and then at the end of it all the rules and the medicine don’t work anyway.
One way to tell with this story that it is very likely they were all vaxxed is that it never really made a headline. I guarantee if they were unvaxxed it would have been all over the front pages like that supposed Uber driver in QLD who was portrayed as a rogue moron. That went awfully quiet awfully quickly..
Point being it’s as much about what isn’t said as what is said with this mother of all sales campaigns.
Dan Andrew’s needs to be saved from himself. Someone needs to intervene..
Shortenism, suggesting storming Spring Street?
Surely sarcasm.
blindboy wrote:All of which demonstrates complete ignorance of both politics and history. Dicatator Dan ha ha ha ha. Hard to know if it is paranoia, gullibility or sheer ignorance. Probably all of the above. Keep it coming. We need more comedy here.
Lol
You called Trump a dictator for years-you still do- and he never went as far as Dictator Dan is right now. From curfews with no medically required sanctioning to appointing himself powers to act unilaterally in any situation…that’s Dictator stuff.
Well if they were fully vaxxed then the odds are pretty good none will need to be hospitalised, so who cares? We know breakthrough infections occur and we know that in all except the most vulnerable they do not cause serious illness. But yeh if there was a fully vaxxed obese 80 year old with diabetes catching up with his bench presses and dead lifts after the lockdiwn it could be a worry.
You have to wonder why they still bother posting this stuff. The data is in, 96% reduction in serious illness, roughly 20 times less infectious. Heading for 90-95% fully vaccinated ........ and we still get this dopey, ideologically driven effort to persuade us that the fucking obvious is somehow a vast conspiracy. I don't suppose Swellnet is the last bastion of the idiocracy, not while that fat bastard from Queensland can still spare a couple of mill now and then to pump out bullshit, but we are still in the running for the greatest percentage of bullshitters in any open forum..
More on the UK 40+ flashpoint scare...
tbb mentions how the Rollout wave of infection reverbs thru the lineup from Phase 1 > etc.
Cases rise with Rollout = incubation spike 40% = efficacy lull 50% = voc peak feeding time 75% Wane
The Phases > Cases > ICU > Deaths are timed like clockwork to peak Phases with Vax wane.
PHE ran 'segmented' BBC accounts of BT stats so as to take the edge off the Spikes.( tbb shared)
As they got too hot > PHE would spoon feed cut'n'paste Unvaxed stats, to play down the Vax creep.
All the while the unvaxed were becoming less infectious as Vaxed more so...
Crew can see once UK Health cleared VOC ramp stats > began releasing these Surveillance tables.
tbb spoke of these Killer Clean up sets that take out a swathe of Phased Vaxerz each month.
Call them a Rouge Wave or weekly clean up sets...once gone it's clear sailing with a Boost.
tbb spotted a ripple (above) & warned it was headed straight for the Vaxed 40+ kooks.
Here's how that wave rises in the Vax Table...(Important! Vaxed 40+ is not a high risk death group)
40+ Vaxed deaths .034% (2 week's on) > .039% > But here's how it's of concern...
Unvaxed are paddling in (less in the line up) "Death rate" is dropping .2 points in all ages but 60+
However, it's of less concern as 20% less Hodads are in harms way, less again by the next Set Wave.
Waning Hodads sponge bath boost was also enough to clear them of sets > .2 Points less toll also.
Vaxed 40+ death rate is increasing & there is more cause for alarm...." oUT THE BACK!!"
As 30% more VIP Vax Kooks are infecting the impact zone, they'll struggle to clear the Wave of Covid.
SLSA #2 Daggy Dad: "Go for it- Fly be Free!" > The Rock Hopperz leggie snags...Oh the Humanity!
Sure! Keep closing yer eyes with each Covid wave...been working fine so far...we all need a breather!
Huey is not evil & will spare VIP Gromz that splash more milk over their mandated 1/2/3/4 Vax Bix.
[FactCheck] Covid is not killing more Vaxed 40+ but it is killing them at a faster rate than all others.
It could also mean this group is spreading a more deadly strain...that needs priority focus.
Just saying that you'd want 40+ Mass Infectious kooks well clear of any Massive UK Xmas bash.
Yet 40+ represent [ Vaccine Passport ] Freedom Flagship!...This is the Face of World Vax.
UK #1 populated Vaxed group being #1 Infectious spreaderz #1 'Death rate'...no cause for alarm!
Headline: { British Stiff Upper Lip will never Quiver }
Let’s all remember this quote next January :
“Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said it was a “very important day” but reiterated boosters were just that – a boost – and people with two doses remained fully vaccinated and well protected against COVID-19.“
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/green-light-for-booster-program-...
The headline asks a question I would like to know the answer to .
Daily Mail
How did Florida end up with one of the best COVID-19 case and death rates in the US despite Gov Ron DeSantis refusing to implement mask or vaccine mandates?
During the peak of the recent COVID-19 surge in Florida, the state was recording 101 cases per 100,000 people and 1.77 new deaths per 100,000
Since mid-September, Florida has been seeing declines and is recording nine cases per 100,000 people and less than 0.2 deaths per 100,000
The declines are despite Governor Ron DeSantis insisting the state would not shut down and refusing to implement mask or vaccine mandates and instead focusing efforts on early treatment
Experts have suggested the declines seem to follow a familiar two-month cycle since the pandemic began with cases and deaths increasing for about two months before dropping
This has also been seen in other states that experienced surges over the summer such as Alabama, Louisiana and Texas
Focusing on early treatment, what’s that ? Aren’t we supposed to isolate and see how sick we get ? You know, go home and lock yourself in ya bedroom, wait until ya lips turn blue . Early treatment ? What idiot came up with that idea ? Only a vaccine can get us out of this pandemic, early treatment pfffft
Q: Are such studies justified and necessary?
A: That’s where scientists disagree. To put RBDs from some of the novel HKU4 viruses into MERS-CoV, already a lethal human pathogen, is “sort of crazy” and “unjustified,” says University of Montana, Missoula, virologist Jack Nunberg. https://www.science.org/content/article/was-nih-funded-work-mers-virus-c...
Selectively quoting a source to support your preferred view just weakens your argument. The full answer to the question is below. And yes, there is disagreement about the safety of thios work and its relative importance....that is a normal situation when the evidence is mixed.
" Q: Are such studies justified and necessary?
A: That’s where scientists disagree. To put RBDs from some of the novel HKU4 viruses into MERS-CoV, already a lethal human pathogen, is “sort of crazy” and “unjustified,” says University of Montana, Missoula, virologist Jack Nunberg.
Tulane University virologist Robert Garry has a more charitable take. “They are trying to determine if the HKU4 viruses have pathogenic potential,” or whether these viruses could jump to humans if they acquire certain mutations, he says. “That’s legitimate.” Another lab that has collaborated with WIV, Ralph Baric’s group at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, has done similar, albeit controversial chimeric virus studies with SARS-CoV, the virus that caused the global SARS outbreak of 2003. “I don’t think [this Wuhan work] is that different,” says virologist Stephen Goldstein, a postdoc at the University of Utah.
Another reason to modify MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV is to be able to infect mice with these viruses, which makes other types of studies possible, Goldstein notes. For example, Baric has developed a mouse model to test drugs and vaccines against viruses related to MERS-CoV.
Yet the EcoHealth studies may not have been necessary because Baric’s lab had already done studies with HKU4 “pseudoviruses,” which are designed to bind and enter cells but can’t replicate, Garry says. Virologist Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa says he’s not convinced the chimeric viruses tell scientists anything more about pathogenicity than pseudoviruses. “I think that this is not the best way to answer the question,” Perlman says.
But Daszak argues that the chimeric viruses added crucial information beyond infectivity. “Pseudoviruses will demonstrate capacity to bind cells, recombinant viruses allow measures of things like viral genome copy per gram–clues as to the potential importance of these viruses for public health,” he wrote in an email to ScienceInsider."
“Selectively quoting a source to support your preferred view just weakens your argument. “ that’s the type of response I expect from blindboy . Please tell me again how mankind has benefited from GOF research .
Thanks, I do my best to put up all the relevant material. I put a link on GOF up earlier. Read that.
blindboy wrote:Thanks, I do my best to put up all the relevant material. I put a link on GOF up earlier. Read that.
I read it before , all I could find was it had “ potential “ , doesn’t say anything about how mankind has benefited.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia