COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
thanks for replies gents
Either that or the ICMR genuinely believe it doesn’t work. Apparently though the doctors in India still using it
The world has looked at the US for leadership on how to treat Covid .
Fauci has been the conductor . He has lied . His decision making is in question .
Fauci Funded 'Cruel' Puppy Experiments Where Sand Flies 'Eat Them Alive'; Vocal Cords Severed .
"While recent attention has been focused on Dr. Anthony Fauci's National Institutes of Health (NIH) funding the genetic manipulation of bat coronaviruses in the same town as the bat coronavirus pandemic emerged, a bipartisan group of lawmakers have demanded answers over 'sick' experiments on drugged puppies, according to The Hill.
"Our investigators show that Fauci’s NIH division shipped part of a $375,800 grant to a lab in Tunisia to drug beagles and lock their heads in mesh cages filled with hungry sand flies so that the insects could eat them alive," writes nonprofit organization the White Coat Waste Project. "They also locked beagles alone in cages in the desert overnight for nine consecutive nights to use them as bait to attract infectious sand flies."
Zerohedge
"The world has looked at the US for leadership on how to treat Covid ."
Comedy gold. Hutchy you've done it again.
Death rate in the US 224/100,00. 14th in the world.....in the largest economy in the world
You may find this link handy in day to day life as well.
https://theglasshammer.com/2009/04/how-to-remove-your-foot-from-your-mouth/
Cruel puppies? No link no credibility.
Okay BB . Let's follow the lead from the Scandinavians .
"Swedish health officials have now decided that a moratorium on giving the Moderna vaccine to anyone under 31 will be extended indefinitely, the U.K. Daily Mail reported. The pause on the Moderna shots had been scheduled to end on Dec. 1.
Finland, Iceland and Denmark have taken similar steps. Norway is encouraging men under 30 not to get the Moderna shot, but is not mandating it.
For months, the Moderna vaccine has been under scrutiny because of data that shows young men who receive it are at increased risk for myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis, an inflammation of the sac around the heart."
Zerohedge
BB - Do you think we will follow the US lead on this ?
"The “updated” definition would potentially mean only people who have had the third “booster” shot would be considered “fully vaccinated”, while people who have had the two original shots are no longer “fully vaccinated”.
Whilst the warning might just be a ploy to scare people into getting their “booster” without forcing them to, it should be noted a revised definition of “fully vaccinated” has already been adopted in other countries.
For example, it is already policy in Israel where, in early September they “updated what it means to be vaccinated,”. You now need a third shot, or else you are no longer considered vaccinated.
We wrote about it at the time, and predicted it would likely spread to the rest of the world.
In fact, figures in the alternate media have been predicting this for a while. See this clip from YouTuber WhatsHerFace back in August:"
Zero again .
I think Israel is now upto 4 shots. You have to wonder. Some speak of potentially the vaccine is the cause of the new mutations - happening in the UK. There is discussion that the vaccinated are actually more likely to spread the virus and a mutated one at that. I think we are seeing this now in highly vaccinated countries. https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/is-pfizer-vaccine-to-blame-for-israel...
monkeyboy wrote:I think Israel is now upto 4 shots. You have to wonder.
They have a booster shot to top up the booster shot?
Roadkill wrote:monkeyboy wrote:I think Israel is now upto 4 shots. You have to wonder.
They have a booster shot to top up the booster shot?
Once the public sector commits to something they generally never turn back until its too late.
(Prevention) Vax is Suss (Susceptible)
Better give them a dose of our medicine before they invite trouble! (Them sounds like fightin' words!)
TGA Booster Countdown has begun....
Old School Vax Combatant orders to tame yer pet Hesitants! > "Gold Standard" {VIP} List.
"We all have a Duty to Combat Vax Hesitancy!"
"Pick your Battles!"
"Making Hesitants believe, like their Vaccine concerns matter!"
"Convince Religious & Civic leaders with some clout to change their minds!"
"You may find it difficult to even talk to someone who is letting us down!"
"Some Hesitants will likely baulk, or be afraid when being told what to do!"
"Lower their defences towards the moveable middle, this helps them become better listeners!"
"Don't focus on the Science & keep them from straying online to Anti Vaxer Platforms!"
The Prez : "Social Media platforms like Facebook are Killing People!" (New, but classic old school drool!)
"Restrictions will Isolate them from Friends, Family & hugging children!"
"I even had to convince my own Mum!"
Vax Rollout Rules
UK 8th Dec-10th Jan Rollout Vax spike Data is censored..."Please, we ask that you don't celebrate Vax!"
21st Feb - Israel {Green Pass } 2 dose expires 6 months > 3 Booster (Expires) 6 mths > 4 Booster etc...
21st Mar-22nd May NY Excelsior {6-12 month [+] Pass} Some bumped at 5 months
US 1st May Civic Testing Ban on Fully Vaxed BT cases. (Swizzle a Vaxer & we'll shove that.....) Ok!
Israel 3rd Oct- {Green Pass} Natural infection requires extra 1 dose of Vax
(Natural Infection =1 dose Common across global entry)
US 16 July- CDC Rochelle > The Prez " Look, the only Pandemic we have is of the Unvaccinated!"
Science are not hesitating to look for a half decent Vax.
''July 2020 Oz 2/100 Global Covid Vaccines in development > Oz 2/20 Vax Trials then in progress.
Note: Rollout had commenced for many in trials jabbed with soon- part approved WHO Vaxes
Oct 2021 Oz 20/300 Global Covid Vaccines in development 2021...(OZ >10x more Covid Vaccines?)
Oz Rollout 2020 (Start)
SA 2nd July - Covax 19 Vaxine (30/40 Fully vaxed) cont...recently signed Vic Production Plant.
Qld 12th July - V451 (120/216 Fully vaxed) Fully approved & backed by WHO / Gates Cepi
Oz refuses to recognise our only True Blue Aussie Brews & Legendary Vax Test Pilots.
Oz Vax lab rats are locked into Vax Trial Contracts for 1 year (Approx) See Below...
Oz Rollout continues into 2021
Oz Govt 21st Feb -26th April Scomo's Age care Vax spike wipes out Oz Rollout...oops! Data is useless!
https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-s-daily-covid-19-vaccine-rollo...
Qld 31 March =World 1st 1/2 dose Frontline Vax Mandade > May (1st Vax Mandade rescinded >Temp')
NSW 17th April [Fully Vaxed] = 2wks after 1st or 2nd dose ( Reason! 1 dose Frontline "Requirement")
1dose Frontline incubation caught on, leading to Oz wide Lockdowns & NSW/ NZ > Q Lockdowns
NSW 29th May [ Partially Vaxed ] 1 Dose to 14 days + 2nd dose to 14 days (re: Incubating Vax leaks!)
[ Partially Vaxed ] 1st dose extended to 21 days (100% Frontline incubation insurance for leaky doses )
NSW 29th May [ Single Dose ] Then picks up 1 dose to 14 days + [ Missing ] > see imported Covid
Punters might recall the Schizo Premiers claiming Bullet Proof 1 dose ain't no Silver Bullet. OMG!
NSW 6th Aug Premier: "We must learn to Live with Covid!"
NSW Cases doubled to 300 in Hospitals + Patients infected & dying after contracting virus from Nurses.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/premier-says-nsw-must-learn-to-live-...
NSW May/June [ Unknown/Missing ] delays & hides imported virus.
"No Trace on Oz Records" > o/s {VIP} Private Suites + Slave Trade Covid Imports > Rises up to 35%
4th July [ Partial 1 dose ] Defines 1 Dose Only + [ None ] Evil Vaxerz Dartboard.
7th Aug [ Under Investigation ] Curtain Raiser for Scomo's o/s {VIP} Covid Medibank
14th Aug [ Not Reported ] Temp' absorbs 100% [o/s] cases to hide infestation > [Under Investigation]
23rd Aug Premier : [ Dead People Matter ] "Where all gonna Die! Focus on my Vax Stats!" NOW!
28 Aug [ O/S ] Cases 100% censored > see [ Under Investigation ] Ramps to 30% peaks at 35%
NSW can't [ID] 35% Patients...they themselves are 1st to diagnose they must be from o/s...go figure!
{VIP} o/s fifo Private Health Covid Care absorbing 35% Peak NSW Hospital resources...(Wot else?)
NSW 11th Sept (Just one shot) 1st Dose to 3 weeks (2,151 cases) overtakes [None] (1,948 cases)
That was the end of it...NSW Gladys is now knee deep in her own Vax shit & sick of it! Storms Out!
18th Sept [ No Effective Dose ] Both hides o/s + 1st dose rising stats will ramp diving No Vax stats.
[ No effective Dose ] = o/s covid + (#1 infectious) 1 dose to 3wks + declining no vax into a Mass Outcast
eg: Mandate 1 dose for Border / Frontline / Transit / Jobs (When infected)> join the the Unvaxed queue!
[ Under Investigation ] Down 50% (vs) [ No effective Dose ] All other Problem People as one Mass Evil.
This was to falsely drive Covid stats down to legitimize NSW Freedom...Gladys resigned!
More desperate NSW get > Evil Dump piles evaporate as [Full / Partially Vax] piles rise to the top!
Dead set Dodgy bros certified {Gold Standard}
Vic pokes the beast..
12 Sept [ Fully vaccinated ] Early Low Dose Vax Promo...cashes in on {VIP} Vax minority.
eg: "Only 1 was Fully Vaxed or Only 1% were Fully Vaxed!" = hides low vax & rising 1st dose leaks.
19th Sept- Premier : "We have to Normalize This!" = Hand pass Vax Mandate to Small business! Classic!
[ Fully Vaccinated ] Gets flipped as in the 26th Nov Mandate to collar in more first doses.
9th Sept-14th Oct [Partially Vaccinated] Vic censored #1 infectious data in the lead up to Freedom Day
14th Oct #1 Vic infectious rate [ Full Vax 12% /10% Hospital ] + [Partial Vax 21% / 15% hospital}
14th Oct - Dan censors #1 rising Vax stats & plays down rise with [ % Not Fully Vaccinated ] Tablets.
You can feel Vic Earth Tremors from up here in Qld...such great power! {{{ Not Fully Vaxed }}}
Dan's Cytokine Storm bullied last Mob outta town....Free Covid on tap for Everyone!
Qld CEO: "I don't want the 1st Qld teen dying from Vax, that probably wouldn't die of Covid!"
"We will be bringing in the Virus thru the borders in Vaccinated People!"
"Once we start seeing cases, the Virus will find people that aren't vaxed!"
"Every single Qldurr is gonna be infected with Covid!"
Meanwhile our 2020 Vaxerz needed 1st 2 x 2 "Mixed Doses" over 13 months just to get a { Vax pass }
If indeed these 150 Aussies were 1st to get Full Vax > Reaction >Wane > BT's > Boosters > Mixed Vax.
How long before Vax waned? Any BT outbreaks? Have they received a mixed Booster/reaction?
Oz should be well ahead of the game on all fronts with our Mid 2020 Vax Trials advantage.
Obviously TV spreads nothing but misinformation...please restore our half decent frontline news!
PS: Weet-Vax...How many do you Do!
faucci is cooked...
you can bat for china (ha)
you can lie to congress
you can cook up frankenviruses
you can obfuscate about all you know about the possible origin of the virus
you can play dumb to protect ya mates and their vested interests whilst the whole world shuts down
but you cannot kill puppies...
not like this anyway
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/fauci-funded-cruel-puppy-experiments-w...
will the dems finally give up on their guy?
This is probably the best funded public hospital in Victoria
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/inside-the-alfred-hospital-emerge...
and FWIW the suburban hospital I work at is the busiest ED in Victoria...
The left does have some good journalists . New information seems to be coming out every day .
From zerohedge .
And so - the left-leaning Vanity Fair admits Rand Paul 'might have been onto something' when he accused Fauci of lying over GoF research.
What's more, VF connects more dots that mainstream outlets pretend don't exist - namely a revelation from a leaked grant proposal which reveals that Daszak attempted to obtain DARPA funding for "the kind of research that could accidentally have led to the pandemic."
As scientists remain in a stalemate over the pandemic’s origins, another disclosure last month made clear that EcoHealth Alliance, in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was aiming to do the kind of research that could accidentally have led to the pandemic. On September 20, a group of internet sleuths calling themselves DRASTIC (short for Decentralized Radical Autonomous Search Team Investigating COVID-19) released a leaked $14 million grant proposal that EcoHealth Alliance had submitted in 2018 to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).
It proposed partnering with the Wuhan Institute of Virology and constructing SARS-related bat coronaviruses into which they would insert “human-specific cleavage sites” as a way to “evaluate growth potential” of the pathogens. Perhaps not surprisingly, DARPA rejected the proposal, assessing that it failed to fully address the risks of gain-of-function research. -Vanity Fair
According to the article, the leaked documents 'struck a number of scientists and researchers as significant for one reason' - namely that a distinctive segment of SARS-CoV-2's genetic code is a 'furin cleavage site' which makes the virus more infectious because of its ability to enter human cells - exactly the feature EcoHealth proposed modifying in the leaked proposal.
"If I applied for funding to paint Central Park purple and was denied, but then a year later we woke up to find Central Park painted purple, I’d be a prime suspect," said Jamie Metzl, a former executive vice president of the Asia Society, who sits on the World Health Organization’s advisory committee on human genome editing and has been calling for a transparent investigation into COVID-19’s origins (via Vanity Fair).
As one member of the DRASTIC coalition, New Zealand data scientist Gilles Demaneuf told Vanity Fair: "I cannot be sure that [COVID-19 originated from] a research-related accident or infection from a sampling trip. But I am 100% sure there was a massive cover-up."
Ah yeah here come the boosters and you will lose your vaccine status and all the bullshit freedoms that goes with it if you don't have them.
Why do you think they (Hunt et al) from time to time roll out an Army Lieutenant to give COVID updates..? U paying attention.. ?
Still don't know when you have lost eh? Vaccines work, ivermectin doesn't, the evidence so far supports a natural origin for the virus and if Fauci was trying to hide something it was that the paper he is accused of lying about warned of a serious risk of a pandemic and provided a strategy to avoid it which they did not follow up on.
Science 4. Bullshit 0
The Victorian Privacy Watchdog ( an independent body ) has just ordered the Andrews government to release the 100 pages of Health Advice that caused the lockdown in February .
The Health Advice has not previously been released to parliament or the public before previous lockdowns .
The act requires transparency to enable discussion from experts to enable evaluation of methods to ensure the best outcome .
Any reasonable person would expect this information to be made available . There should be nothing to hide . Who doesn't want expert input to ensure the best outcome ?
The Vic government can appeal this decision if it wants to hide something .
Thread worth reading. Victoria is making moves towards those not getting booster shots as unvaccinated.
In just 6 weeks, the Covid Pass has transformed my country into a regime of control and segregation.
— Gluboco Lietuva (@gluboco) October 23, 2021
This is the new society created in Lithuania, the nation furthest along the path to the authoritarianism inevitably facing all countries which impose a Covid Pass regime:
1/
Your birth rights are now “privileges” for politicians to deny at their whim.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10126231/Covid-19-Australia-Vic...
Blowin, what are my 'birth rights'?
Science 3.5 Bullshit 0.5 Blindboy
Jury still out on Ivermectin. Even the most hardened naysayers still say the evidence is equivocal and more studies are needed, particularly in regards to prophylaxis.
Who knows? We’ll find out soon
Maybe. Even if there is some marginal benefit it is more likely to end up being irrelevant as more effective anti-virals are already coming on line.
Yep but statements like “Ivermectin doesn’t work” are contrary to the science. It might go either way.
Doesn’t really bother me to be honest.
There are pro-ivermectin and anti-ivermectin camps. I genuinely wish both parties would acknowledge that the other has a point and meet in the middle somewhere. Focus the energies on where the evidence is at its strongest and try to find a way to use it if there is a benefit however marginal
OK to be more precise, when all available data is considered, it does not support the use of ivermectin as an effective treatment for covid19.
Wow! A retraction! You know what Blindboy, there’s hope for you yet
As you ĺike.
This is an old report but worth digging up...Pfizer's ransom demands slammed on Argentina...
June 2020 Govt pay for Pfizer Case Insurance + Compo for Law Suits > Govt pay for Pfizer Vax mop up!
Dec 2020 Pfizer demanded Sovereign assets as collateral > Bank Reserves / Military Bases / Embassies.
Also Fraud Insurance...''well obviously!"
Pfizer's ransom demands slammed on Brazil
Pfizer demanded Brazil deposit money in an offshore "Guarantee Fund"
23rd Jan 2020 Brazil must waive Sovereignty of o/s assets to Pfizer.
The rules of the land do not apply to Pfizer!
Brazil to expect delays & not penalize Pfizer for delays.
Pfizer be exempted from all Civil Liability
Both Nations naturally told Pfizer to piss off & now US refuse entry to fully vaxed Latin Americans.
Ok! So no one is surprised to read that...nor that reply by one & all!
https://www.wionews.com/world/how-pfizer-tried-to-bully-argentina-and-br...
EU blocks Oz Vax blocks Chinese Vax
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1227658.shtml
No shortage of Vax access wars playing out between Oz / Pacific / Eastern Block / Latin America.
Coalitions feel the need to craft cute Covid Packs to score access to a Port or Runway...you name it!
Mostly these Vax Packs come with a Use by Date next week/month...you can dump that for us champ!
Israel finally delivered their Booster Shots thru Gaza Hospitals....
Da Prez says : (All Together now!) "Israel has the right to arm itself & with a few booster shots!"
What have these mobsters got to do with the Natural Origin of Covid...
If Covid came from a lab...then the Vax game is up! (vs) Mysterious Natural origin can sell vaxes forever!
18th Oct -Batman plays his Joker Card to keep the Vax game alive!
CAS collected 13,064 bats from 703 locations > Batman : "Covid is not from China or ours or his Lab!"
Batman : "Give me $100m & I'll put 99% research into S/E Asia to deliver yer Progenitor Virus!"
Batman : "Laos bats are 95% similar to Covid...Aussie Eddie: As Batman said!"
Pointing out that other Chinese Bat species were a closer match...'doesn't matter anymore, does it?'
Batman's batty theory fails to bat an eyelash...so why ya reckon that tbb?
24th March 2020 Laos becomes the very last nation in Asia to get a Covid Case. (Experts : 'Knew that!')
24th March 2021 Laos cases 49 less than 1/wk + 0 deaths > No fear > Vax Rollout will save them!
Vax Rollout 35,633 cases + 52 deaths ...(Killer Vax hit hard'n'fast > more deadly than Lazy Laos Bats!)
So why would #1 Bat / Vax expert fail to notice the obvious flaw in his theory, or is it a false front?
Now! Had Batman said that the Vax infected the Bats with Covid...then more would believe him!
US / France > Vietnam long played big brother to Laos & Cambodia
However! 2017 Cambodia flicked USA & is egging on a Chinese takeover.
China also laid out HSR over Laos & onward + Damned all Laos rivers from flowing into Vietnam.
French Pasteur or China - one of the same thing...also run all the Laos Labs that Batman is hangin' on.
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2019-11/08/content_37521484.htm
France flicks US/UK/Oz...France joins with Chinese locking out Ballistic Subs from South China Sea.
Let's say Batman redirects China's original problem to Laos "Epicentre of Illegal Covid Wildlife Trade"
WHO-Laos French Labs advise to lockdown Trilateral borders preventing another Covid Spillover Event.
https://www.pasteur.la/
China would need to secure joint Trilateral Transit Borders > Ports...in an ongoing Military operation!
Naturally stamping out potential Hot spots at all Chinese Vax Rail/Air/Shipping Ports.
China only needs HSR access agreements to secure their fair share of Asian mainland Vax Rail Ports.
One word from Batman to WHO > China secures Bay of Bengal < > South China Sea ( 1st This...)
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/asiapacific/2021-10/14/c_1310243985.htm
Then China's Pan Asia HSR > Laos > Vietnam > Burma > Thailand > Cambodia > Malaysia > Singapore
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Pan-Asia-HSR-Network-Ganjanakhundee-...
Villains become Heroes by preventing potential rogue outbreaks to save our World - all thanks to WHO.
State of Origin > Innocent comeback kidz China tame rogue wild Covid infected States...
These wild viruses must present as a threat in order for WHO to mandate China as the Ultimate threat!
All see the power of WHO/CDC Sea / Transit mandates & Big Pharma ransom of Military Might.
Scientists make better bullies than Generals & rule above Govt / military with no rules or checks!
They're also smart enough to keep this going as none have the power to pull them back into place...
PS:
5th Oct- Lab Theory - WSJ "...Powerful evidence favouring Lab Leak." (It's not going away, is it now!)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-coronavirus-lab-leak-virology-orig...
Does Pfizer behave unethically to boost profits? Almost certainly. Is this evidence of a vast conspiracy to create a pandemic? No. Give up on the conspiracy stuff tbb. It's just bullshit.
Sorry folks, but if Ivermectin does "work" the benefits are marginal at best. Treatments for Covid have been tested all around the world and Ivermectin has been trialed extensively. It's certainly no silver bullet, and given the lack of enthusiasm for this drug by Western TGA's, Ivermectin looks like it's most like ineffective, and it does have side effects.
And BTW, clive palmer and Craig Kelly are shonks and spivs with zero credibility.
Depends on whether you believe those trials are credible or not Vic. If you believe they are not then it hasn’t been trialled extensively.
The more credible trials show a significant benefit when used as prophylaxis and a moderate benefit when used as treatment. Treatment benefit in some studies has been shown to be minimal that’s for sure.
Seems like once you get past the viral replication stage into the cytokines response phase it has less effect. At least that’s what the studies show.
Certainly in the later phases (the ARDS and pneumonia stage) then it’s not going to do much at all, although there are some anecdotes around which say it has helped.
The prophylaxis studies are hard to run, need big numbers and huge resources but at this stage there appears to be a degree of benefit when used as prophylaxis. At least that’s what the studies show.
Side effect rate at 0.3-0.6 mg/kg is one of the lowest side effect rates of any drug available. At least that’s what the studies show.
May have a role, may not.
TGA in this country stopped GP’s prescribing it because the studies were inconclusive and they were worried about running out of it for treatment of other diseases. They also seemed to justify their decision on trying to stop people self medicating with doses from social media. Counterpoint to those arguments are what about the literally hundreds of other drugs (if not thousands) that are used off label with minimal research? Also, why not import more? And banning GP’s from prescribing it will only make self medication more likely won’t it?
But....believe what you want to believe.
I still can see it from both sides
Here is the Cochrane metastudy. Please identify the studies you believe to be credible or provide a link to any.not included.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/...
"But....believe what you want to believe.
I still can see it from both sides"
and what a pleasant and refreshing change that is...
no hostility required!
What the BBC didn’t report on their interview with Dr Tess Lawrie https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/BBC-story-Tes.... https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Response-to-E...
"Side effect rate at 0.3-0.6 mg/kg is one of the lowest side effect rates of any drug available. At least that’s what the studies show."
so why such a fervent campaign against it?
painting it as 'dangerous', when it is anything but...
"TGA in this country stopped GP’s prescribing it because the studies were inconclusive and they were worried about running out of it for treatment of other diseases. They also seemed to justify their decision on trying to stop people self medicating with doses from social media. Counterpoint to those arguments are what about the literally hundreds of other drugs (if not thousands) that are used off label with minimal research? Also, why not import more? And banning GP’s from prescribing it will only make self medication more likely won’t it?"
so many questions...
when shit don't add up so abysmally... it's usually because shit don't add up...
That Cochrane review only included studies up until March 2021.
This one is the biggest so far. Fraud busters haven’t dismantled it yet:
https://c19ivermectin.com/behera2.html
If blinded and randomised it would have been better but bias is somewhat neutralised by all parties choosing which group they belonged to. Therefore both groups would have the same motivation ie trying to make their group have the lowest incidence of Covid. By the way, a DB RCT of this size involving very early intervention with prophylactic Ivermectin to household contacts would be a massive logistical exercise, probably involving say 30 full time researchers costing $10mil +.
Either way, the question is whether the 3x incidence of Covid in the non-ivermectin group is purely explained by bias or not.
More studies of prophylaxis are in the pipeline. I’m pragmatic, they could go either way, we’ll see.
I’m going surfing, not intending to reply
Did anyone view this interview with Professor Petrovsky ? He certainly isn’t impressed with what’s going on in Canberra.
Insufficient data to evaluate that tyler. Particularly lacking is any information about matching the groups for specific risk factors. So you really can't claim it as credible. The reality is that it will all be irrelevant when the oral antivirals ate approved. And if it turns out that "Big Pharma" have been hiding data, which is a totally unfounded allegation at this stage, that will come out further down the line.
Promised I wouldn’t reply dammit but if that study is not credible then there are no studies analysing prophylaxis so nobody can say yes or no whether it works.
I think you missed my last line BB: the question is whether or not the 3x difference can be explained by bias. Obviously you think it can....but you might be wrong!
tyler the bottom line is that the evidence, even with the most charitable interpretation, is very weak. The whole issue is dead in the water. With the anti-virals coming on line, proven effective treatments will be available before any definitive ivermectin study is done.....if they ever manage it since it would probably be unethical to sign people up when better options for both prophylaxis and treatment are available.
There's 2 possible reasons why Ivermectin has not been introduced in most western nations as a treatment for Covid.
1. The evidence from clinical trials doesn't stack up and all the non-medically trained keyboard warriors like Craig Kelly are wrong. or
2. There's a massive world wide conspiracy by governments and medical professionals to deny patients a cheap and effective drug to treat Covid.
See if you blokes can figure which reason is logical.
there's actually a multitude of possibilities...
an endless array... but I wouldn't expect your spectrumed up black / white brain to comprehend that...
your perspective is so skewed, compromised and beholden it's not worth the the microwatts of 0 and 1's it's written in, but do carry on with your hostility and close mindedness ...and big pharma bidding...
your lack of lateral thinking (or continuous constant campaining...) is astounding to say the least....
"Did anyone view this interview with Professor Petrovsky ? He certainly isn’t impressed with what’s going on in Canberra."
ol' petrovsky has been saying the 'wrong' things right from the start of this shit show...
(ie. asking the right questions actually)
that sort of behaviour clearly limits one's options, so much so in the modern context....
the guy just ain't 'compliant and servile' enough for contemporary academia, and associated government endorsement / support
praise the gods for the professor petroskys!!
I'd love to get him loose in the flinder's uni bar and see what he really thinks ...about a lot of things...
sypkan wrote:there's actually a multitude of possibilities...
an endless array... but I wouldn't expect your spectrumed up black / white brain to comprehend that...
your perspective is so skewed, compromised and beholden it's not worth the the microwatts of 0 and 1's it's written in, but do carry on with your hostility and close mindedness ...and big pharma bidding...
your lack of lateral thinking (or continuous constant campaining...) is astounding to say the least....
Whatever sypkan.
I'm still waiting on the ivermectin cheerleaders to come up with a logical reason why governments around the world would deny covid patients an alleged cheap and effective drug. If you could help me out with that I'd greatly appreciate it. Please support any theory you have with evidence and logic.
Viclocal -Way too easy and I am no cheerleader as I am not following the story closely enough ."a logical reason why governments around the world would deny covid patients an alleged cheap and effective drug."
Because governments take advice from Big Pharma . Big Pharma hate competing with products that have come out of patents and are cheap and especially if they are effective ( reduces the demand for their products and reduces their profits ) , Big Pharma then tell porkies to governments . There is nothing they won't do to increase their profits . That's why regulators are so important .
That is why it is such a concern that Fauci and FDA are in the Pharma's pockets .
You should know how the system works Vic !
Oh please Hutchy, the grand Big Pharma conspiracy theory. FFS do you seriously think governments would cave in to Big Pharma while the hospital system is seriously under the pump and costing the tax payers a fortune? And do you seriously think they'd get away with it? Do you seriously think doctors wouldn't blow the whistle if governments denied patients a cheap and effective drug?
Sorry Hutchy, but you're an idiot.
Oh please Hutchy, the grand Big Pharma conspiracy theory. FFS do you seriously think governments would cave in to Big Pharma .
Yes I do Vic . You say Governments cave into Big Oil , Big Banks , Big Miners , Big Farmers ,Big Car etc etc .
What has Big Pharma done wrong to get singled out for mistreatment ?
That's why they give former FDA people directorships . Have Fauci and pollies in their pockets .
It's Big Business 101 .
There is MUCH more money at stake in their business . The margins they enjoy are obscene .
"Whatever sypkan.
I'm still waiting on the ivermectin cheerleaders to come up with a logical reason why governments around the world would deny covid patients an alleged cheap and effective drug. If you could help me out with that I'd greatly appreciate it. Please support any theory you have with evidence and logic."
its in the petrocsky vid if you ever cared to look, a respected scientist spelling it out as clearly and bluntly as any scientist trying to retain employment possibly can... he is actually referring to the focus on certain solutions... certain vaccines... at exclusion of others... but pretty much same same applies...
he even goes hard on the lnp, maybe that can penetrate your inconceivably stubborn willful ignorance...
and...
maybe google 'public private partnerships' and 'neoliberalism' if you are still having trouble understanding it...
maybe google how big pharma has funded, infliltrated, and corrupted various government bodies whilst you are at it... and how 'the science' has been somewhat compromised in the process... understandably so...
this is all pretty basic stuff, commonly accepted knowledge amongst parts of the left of politics...
but maybe conservative, batting for big pharma, neoliberal stooges like yourself will have trouble understanding it... or at least accepting it... the reality...
"Yes I do Vic . You say Governments cave into Big Oil , Big Banks , Big Miners , Big Farmers ,Big Car etc etc .
What has Big Pharma done wrong to get singled out for mistreatment ?"
exactly!!!
ol' hutchy's got you there!
your hypocrisy, willful blindness, and leaps of logic void of reason burn....
really burn and nauseate... way way deep inside...
Hutchy 19 wrote:Oh please Hutchy, the grand Big Pharma conspiracy theory. FFS do you seriously think governments would cave in to Big Pharma .
Yes I do Vic . You say Governments cave into Big Oil , Big Banks , Big Miners , Big Farmers ,Big Car etc etc .
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Ha ha good post, never thought of it that way.
BB is one of those people that thinks governments are controlled by big business, i guess you have a point why not Big Pharma???
Personally not buying it, but it's still a decent point, Big Pharma are pretty powerful.
BTW. you forget Murdoch he controls everything apparently.
The entire planet is looking for a silver bullet cure, finding it would be instant super hero status and riches for the finder, there is no way they could keep it quiet. So far nothing has even come close.
no one is saying it's a silver bullet olddog... fuck I don't even know if it works... personally i think it comes down to other factors like the timing more than anything...
which also raises questions about the conventional wisdom, the given medical advice (globally), misinformation, ...and monopolies... of money and information...
looking at the indian experience it's hard to believe it does not have any prophylactic properties at all.. there's a lot to explain away there... and we're yet to see the eggheads even have a go...
the silence is deafening
mate, Im not invested in ivermectin at all, but I have an open mind, and there is soooo much that doesn't add up...
my beef is with the media, government, and the uber corrupt 'public private partnership' model, ...and its plentiful leech like lobby groups and consultants... that have developed over the last four decades or so
(and its mindlessly compromised and contradictory minions on here)
this model may have freed up money and ingenuity initially, ...for a while... but now it's just totally corrupted... so so much so...
as is the nature of such things...
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia