COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

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Craig started the topic in Wednesday, 18 Mar 2020 at 7:44pm

I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..

There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia

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shortenism Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:17am

Hahahaha... Ahhh Craig.... Just like the initial 3 week lock down to flatten the curve was a temporary measure? Precedent is set now.

But I do agree with you that this will all go away. Bubbles always burst.

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stunet Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:19am

Nah Shorty, you implied to BB a plan about the enslavement of humanity.

But that's it? A voluntary six-monthly booster jab that, as Craig has just said, is temporary.

Mate, you're gonna need a bigger bogey man.

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:40am

Craig - You say the boosters are temporary until we get new vaccines made .

Yes . That is how Big Pharma works . A great marketing idea . While we wait for our new products lets quickly create another product from our first and call it a Booster .

That will keep the profits rolling in . Someone would have got a huge bonus for this novel idea .

The last thing they are worried about is will it help the population ? It might .

It will definitely help their profits and all the employees pay packets .

Imagine the board meeting .

CEO - incredible 6 months . Beyond our wildest dreams . When are our next vaccines ready Sue ( Head of Product Development )

Sue - 6 months .

CEO - I have a new condo to pay for in 6 months . Can we push them through earlier ? My mate Steve at the FDA will be ok with that .

Sue - No .

Jim ( Marketing ) - Why don't we make a new product from our first one and call it a booster shot . It can be ready in 1 month .

CEO - Gold Star Jim . Where are we all going for lunch ? I will be ready in 10 minutes after I call my estate agent . I will get 2 condos .

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shortenism Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:28am

Well last I looked we are border line enslaved aren't we? Media censorship? Forced injections, Border closures, house arrest.. Not sure man maybe i'm being paranoid..

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freeride76 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:36am

Media censorship?

I've seen more conspiracy theory videos and counter narrative videos on Covid than ever in the last month.

And that is just from what is posted here.
I certainly don't go looking for it.

Forced injections?

My anti-vax pal who works in disability, or worked, lost her job due to not getting the vax.
She went out and got a new job working in a nursery the next day.

The vax wasn't forced. It was just a requirement to work in that industry.
So she found an industry where it wasn't a requirement.

She does all her grocery shopping as normal, does click and collect for everything else.

It's a pretty mild form of "enslavement".

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vladalotovodka Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:37am

Stalin teach much of is what real plan is. Knock on door in middle night is take much citizen to siberia gulag. Vlad is like jab plan more.

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thermalben Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:38am
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Well last I looked we are border line enslaved aren't we? Media censorship? Forced injections, Border closures, house arrest.. Not sure man maybe i'm being paranoid..

Hang there shortenism, I'll just go chat with somebody under actual slave conditions, and I'll see if they agree with your comparison.

Shall I present you my findings before your mid-morning surf, or after your yoga session?

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/modern-slavery/

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blindboy Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:41am

"maybe i'm being paranoid.." Nailed it there shorty. Take a deep breath, turn off youtube, go have a surf and it will all go away.

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 10:55am

Freeride - you definition of forced differs from mine .

My reading of your pals story .

She was forced to leave her job and find a new one in a nursery ( where she may also be forced to leave ) .

She is paid far less and is worried about her family's lifestyle .

She is not allowed to go to her golf club , a restaurant or travel .

She can only go to Wollies .

Other than those minor details she is as free as a bird .

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freeride76 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:03am

Travel is probably off for a while for her- although it looks as if unvax people will be able to travel with quarantine, at least to some places.

She'll be able to go back to a restaurant and play golf 15Dec.

She is actually paid more at the nursery.

Disability support is pretty low paid work.

But yeah, other than that, she lives life totally normally.

In fairness, she would agree with you/Shorty.

She completely believes the Vax is a bioweapon and we are enslaved.

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Supafreak Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:04am

The Australian government appears to have thrown all its eggs in to one basket ( again ) with Pfizer , is this why they are not interested in exploring Professor Petrovsky vaccine ? As it would just be more money and we don’t really know what’s in the contract with Pfizer. Is it really the best medical advice in the world that our government receives according to Scumo ? https://maryannedemasi.com/blog/f/a-credibility-blow-to-pfizer%E2%80%99s.... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-25/australia-secures-millions-of-pfi...

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:12am

Freeride - Thanks for these details . Good to hear .

She'll be able to go back to a restaurant and play golf 15Dec.

She is actually paid more at the nursery.

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seeds Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:23am

She should of just got the jab but more disturbing is that she’s earning more at a nursery.
Most carers under NDIS are getting $35 to $38 casual rate. She’s not getting that at the nursery
Who was she working for?
With an ABN and working direct for client you can ask $45 to $50

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freeride76 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:34am

Lower hrly rates, more hours=- greater take home pay.

thats the way I understand it.

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seeds Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:39am

Okay makes sense. Still shot herself in the foot IMO.
That’s one thing the Qld gov haven’t yet done is mandate the jab in disability sector. I can’t believe it to be honest

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Hutchy 19 Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:42am

Those who think Big Pharma are not like how I represented their boardroom meeting above don't read this .

The group who did some of Pfizer's vaccine trials . Welcome to the REAL world .

"Ventavia Research Group operated several of the trial sites in the fall of 2020. Brook Jackson worked for the company during this time. She told the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that the trial was riddled with issues, including the falsification of data.

Jackson said she alerted the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to the problems she witnessed and was fired within hours of doing so."

Blind One - I hope the British Medical Journal (BMJ) is one of your reputable journals .

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truebluebasher Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 3:39pm

More than a few Vaxed Frontline ICU nurses claim Unvaxed Vaccinators earn twice the pay.
Mandate can't sack staff, it must defer them eg > Unvaxed Mass Vax > Vax Rate skyrockets.
Mass Immune escape incubations sees Mass Ambo Ramps > Mass ICU comes under the pump
More ICU units but less ICU staff to staff them > Very reason Dan has to fly in 1,000 o/s nurses.
Round'n'Round we go!

Back to Gate's > Mum served on IBM board.
1955 born Gates grade 7 School > Free Seattle Computer Club.
1967-69 Allen/Gates hacked Computer to timetable more hours.
1970 Allen/Gates scored ($20,000) for Seattle Traf'o'Data program
1973 Gates graduated with 1590/1600 score
1975 Allen/Gates Microsoft (Gates would bully his senior geeky mate Allen out by 1983)
https://www.biography.com/business-figure/bill-gates

Gates Foundation is handled by Cascade Investments : Trustee is Warren Buffet
Pretty much replicates Buffet's oldschool Boyz Toyz Empire run by Michael Larson

2020/21 Sold off > Uber > Alibaba > Cut 50% in Apple/Amazon/Alphabet

*Recent Top Ten > No 1
10. *Schrodinger (Bio Tech) > 9. *United Parcel Service > 8. *Fed X > 7. *Crown Castle > 6. *Ecolab (Chems)> 5. Wal-Mart > 4. Caterpillar > 3. Trans Canada Rail > 2. Waste Management > No1.(44%) Berkshire Hathaway (Venture Capitalists)
https://investinganswers.com/sites/www/files/billgates-top-investing-hol...

Gates also Wishes Upon a Star...Disney bankrolls the WIV lab cryogenic freezer to keeps Walt on ice.
https://tnimage.s3.hicloud.net.tw/photos/2020/04/20/1587373021-5e9d63ddb...
Well! Part True, as Gates / Pfizer / Disney do own, run & service most of the tech in Evil WIV Lab.
Gate's Disney shares mirror the Vax Trials > Rollout as if they were one of the same?
https://cheaperthanguru.com/portfolio/bill-gates/DIS/transactions

There's also Gates 3rd World Vax app bankcard for Food Stamps homogenizing World Culcha.

Oz Standards.
Gates employee Halton is married to ABS boss > [ Oz Censis ] is owned / contracted to Gates.
March 2020 Gates $7.5m Qld Vaxxas Patch (re: Oz 2022 Mid year Covid Boosters)
https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/bill-gates-backs-au...
https://www.vaxxas.com/

May 2020 Gates $10m to Murdoch TCH Melbourne BCG Covid Vax
Mid 2020 Gates Cepi funded $5.5m to Oz > *V451 / Novavax / GSK / Linear-Clover / CSIRO / Doherty
https://www.genengnews.com/covid-19-candidates/university-of-queensland-...
https://www.smh.com.au/national/bill-gates-donates-10m-to-australian-tri...

Aug 2020 CSL Plant Melbourne Airport #1 Flu Vax Sth' hemisphere
Govt Owned $1bm + Seqirus $800m New Plant goin' up (Across from Urbnsurf)
Gates has a long time Plasma deal with CSL + is kicking in half for Cell based FluceVax upgrade
Plant should be compliant for most Covid Vaxes

Oz "Parliament's Future fund (Supa) > Pfizer $265m (Now Doubled) Reason for Pfizer Push!
https://imoparty.com/Conflicts-of-Interest-in-Vaccination-Policies

tbb has often spoke of 2020 Oz Rollout Vax outcasts
WHO/Cepi approved Trial of Fully Vaxed Qld V451
Iranian approved Fully Vaxed SA Covax-19

July 2020 SA Covax -19 were Fully vaxed ...been a long time waiting approval by TGA.
We now learn that a fellow triallist openly admits to 'mixing a Vax booster' by AZ Vax (1 Dose)
Reckons he's having his 4th Vax (Booster 2) next month...Obviously flying well overhead of TGA!
TGA will give "ongoing Consideration"
Does that include Vax incubation/Efficacy/ BT Escape/Wane/Booster or Simply Whatever / Whenever.
No hurry! Like it's only 14 months ago? Pretty much sums up Oz make believe pandemic response!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-19-vaccine-developer-facing...

1st Nov: Professor Petrovsky -Double Vaxed seeks and awaits approval from non Oz Vaxed TGA / Govt.
Again! Typical dumbarse bullies now lockout the only Aussie that has brewed an approved Oz Vax.
Oz bullies counted down the days & wet their pants waiting to kick Oz Punk Lab Rat to the curb.
Australia's day of shame! [ SELL OUT ] Oz Bullies FAKE Vaxer science is now officially worth shit!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-02/covid-19-vaccine-developer-facing...

Stark reality of Oz Vax science playing out in front of the Nation....
Yep! Folks! That's how little Oz cares about our only Oz Covid Vaccine & only Real Vax Scientist.

Go Fund Me ...Bring Covax-19 Vaccine back to Australia..(Go Punk Nik!)
For each Oz Vax...Nik will donate one free vax to Nepal ...certainly sounds like the real deal.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/bringing-covax19-back-to-australia?utm_campai...

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Supafreak Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 4:03pm

Thanks for those links TBB , didn’t take Professor Petrovsky long to raise the cash needed to submit his application to the TGA . I watched on another interview that CSL has said point blank that it’s not interested in producing his vaccine if it’s approved . Great to see Australia pulling together on this ……..

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Michael Adam Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 8:43pm

Good ol Wikipedia. (Big tech
Leftist bias.)

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Abmay Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:21pm

Serious question: Why aren't employers mandating that employees be non-smokers? I know smoking isn't contagious but it places plenty of pressure on the health system. Being double-vaxxed we are told reduces the pressure on the health system. You can still catch and transmit Covid whilst double-vaxxed so working alongside unvaxxed/vaxxed makes no difference. If it's all about the strain on the health system why are we not taking steps to reduce this strain?
Another question: Why has there not been any promotion/education to encourage people to live a healthier lifestyle? Are we going to 'pharma' our way out of all our health problems? It seems the vax is the be all and end all. I would like to think that healthy living alongside vaccination would have to be a step above vaccination alone. I tend to think Kelly Slater is right, GPs know heaps about being unwell and dealing with it with pharmaceuticals but not a great deal about being healthy.

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tylerdurden Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:28pm

Good lord BB, please don’t cite Wikipedia as a reference.
The long term answer is multi-modal therapies, including prophylaxis, early treatment, late treatment AND vaccines...if you can’t see that and acknowledge it then perhaps you might need to take a break from here, you might be encouraging behaviour that is not in the public interest

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shortenism Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:42pm

Abmay for pres! Yep doesn’t make sense. Never has and never will.

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etarip Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:53pm

Was that video supposed to be convincing? The premise of weirdo guy’s argument seems to be that only the rich and powerful were able to manipulate public narrative and employ misinformation through crowd-sourced information.
Before you write off Wikipedia completely, I know of a couple of professional, academically credible historians who are employed by Wikipedia to fact check and correct posts, and verify sources listed. They’re not told what to write.
I’ve found It’s generally accurate as a baseline source, and you can always check the references listed. “Hot topic” issues that are being frequently updated are obviously more susceptible to ‘bias’ and misinformation, but I think it’s a fairly self-correcting mechanism over time.

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Supafreak Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 9:45pm

@Abmay , yes it’s something that I’ve found hard to believe from the beginning , that our health officer’s haven’t really promoted how to best improve our immune system with diet , exercise and lifestyle choices. Hygiene has been touched on a bit but it’s mainly been about wearing a mask social distancing and stay at home . Not exactly the best in the world medical advice.

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lucky-al Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:32pm

Of course enslavement of humanity is the plan. This is plain to see now. A system of surveillance, control and exploitation from which none of us can escape is being built, a digital panopticon.

The digital panopticon is not yet complete – we still have a few more years of being allowed to come back to the moment and live every day to its fullest, doing our own thing – but recently, under cover of the pandemic, its construction has proceeded at an accelerated pace.

Those who rule us have learned how easy it is to restrict our movement, our interaction, our access to information, our expression and sharing of thought, idea and feeling; for a long time they have known what a simple thing it is to divide us and spread mistrust, fear and hatred among us. We who are children today will grow up not knowing life without such oppression, deprivation and manipulation; all we will know is life inside the digital panopticon.

Nothing will escape the surveillance and data-gathering devices that surround us. All of our positions and movements, gestures and expressions, encounters and relationships, habits and predilections, skills and capacities, strengths and weaknesses, accidents and illnesses, successes, failures and transgressions will be digitised and used to define us, making our natural identities as human individuals and family and community members indistinguishable from our digital identities.

Our physical, mental and emotional health will be monitored constantly and treated whenever deemed necessary, with treatment being curated for us and mandatory. Our educational and career paths will be chosen for us, our locations and relationships, too. Nobody will tell us "Follow your dreams" or “Look for your soul mate” anymore except the robots handing us virtual reality headsets at holiday time.

For our work we won’t earn money to save and spend as we wish, but digital credit - just enough. Relative or virtual freedoms will be our reward for good behaviour and hard work, selected restrictions our punishment for slacking off or not using the common sense dictated to us by the objective conditions of our existence.

The databases where our personal data - our digital identities - are stored will be consolidated and will no longer be protected by the laws of sovereign nations but will become the property of global corporations. In some parts of the world there may still be people who reject our system and fight to defend themselves and their families and communities from it, but our children will be sent to defeat them in war, to kill them and seize their natural resources and enslave their loved ones - and those of our children who die in those wars will die as heroes, never to be forgotten, trumpeted about on memorial days as examples for our grandchildren to follow and so on forever.

We will be slaves, meticulously scrutinised, methodically controlled and brutally exploited, and the fruits of our labour will be devoured by the technocratic oligarchs, the owners of the digital panopticon.

That’s the plan.

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Michael Adam Friday, 5 Nov 2021 at 11:38pm

It’s optional.

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Supafreak Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 6:04am
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Was that video supposed to be convincing? The premise of weirdo guy’s argument seems to be that only the rich and powerful were able to manipulate public narrative and employ misinformation through crowd-sourced information.
Before you write off Wikipedia completely, I know of a couple of professional, academically credible historians who are employed by Wikipedia to fact check and correct posts, and verify sources listed. They’re not told what to write.
I’ve found It’s generally accurate as a baseline source, and you can always check the references listed. “Hot topic” issues that are being frequently updated are obviously more susceptible to ‘bias’ and misinformation, but I think it’s a fairly self-correcting mechanism over time.

The weirdo go guy was the founder of Wikipedia , he no longer believes it to be a reliable source.

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etarip Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 6:45am

I think they’ve picked up their game. Fact checking and reference validating is more important than providing a platform for multiple ‘truths’. Where there are competing ‘interpretations’ of events, these should be outlined and represented.

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Supafreak Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 7:01am
etarip wrote:

I think they’ve picked up their game. Fact checking and reference validating is more important than providing a platform for multiple ‘truths’. Where there are competing ‘interpretations’ of events, these should be outlined and represented.

I think the article by all sides that I also linked had some good examples about bias , particularly the political side and also some good points around science . I have in the past always used Wikipedia but now question some of their pieces .

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thermalben Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 7:06am
Abmay wrote:

Serious question: Why aren't employers mandating that employees be non-smokers? I know smoking isn't contagious but it places plenty of pressure on the health system.

Employers don't have the power to mandate the non-smoking of employees.

However, most (if not all) workplaces have banned smoking inside, or at places where it may affect other employees.

Should we do more to stop people smoking? Hell yes. According to the government, 'Tobacco smoking is the leading cause of preventable diseases and death in Australia'.

Is anything being done about it? Seems there is - I rarely see anyone smoking these days.

"The latest data from the National Drug Strategy Household Survey (NDSHS) estimated that... the daily smoking rate has halved since 1991", and "Data from the National Health Survey (NHS) 2017–18 show that smoking rates declined steadily over the nearly 3 decades".

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/tobacco-smoking

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Another question: Why has there not been any promotion/education to encourage people to live a healthier lifestyle? Are we going to 'pharma' our way out of all our health problems?

Eh? Don't know where to start with this one mate... there's been plenty of education that I'm aware of, going back to the mid-70's with Norm starring in the 'Life. Be In It' commercials.

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Hutchy 19 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 8:03am

It's heartening to hear that others can see the terrible path we are being forced to walk and the worse destination .

Way to many are lemmings , lured by an evil Pied Piper .

There is hope . We are " Lucky-al" that most humans want to be free . Many have been willing to die for the privilege . I am also willing .

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 8:22am

So care to identify the evil Pied Piper and the nature of their evil intent?

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Hutchy 19 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 8:45am

Blind one - Did you read Lucky's post ? It explains well the intent . As it might be hard for you to grasp I will give you one word - POWER .

The Pied Piper ( PP ) is very cunning and devious . It's not you . You are following HIS tune and are a lemming or rat as in the fairy tale .

There have been many who have been PP's in our history . Some have wanted global power .

The current PP does not yet want to reveal himself ( I do think they are male ) of course . He will have others thinking they are the PP .

I could guess who it is but why don't you try who it might be just for fun ? Your guess is yours is probably as good as mine .

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 8:57am

He didn't name anyone either. So who are you talking about ? What is this evil plan beyond the vague suggestion that we are all either already enslaved or about to be? Now the lockdowns are over and we will soon be free to travel just about anywhere we want, I really don't see any evidence fowhat the fuss is about. A broader point is that by proposing some global conspiracy you actually distract attention from the very real concerns about the increasing surveillance and breakdown of our legal rights that have been implemented by the current government. It might be less exciting that their conspiracy is limited to winning the next election but in this case, as opposed to yours, the evidence is well established.

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Abmay Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 9:06am

Hey Ben, I tend to disagree.
Smoking rates have obviously declined but I still see a fair bit of smoking going on. I'm surprised by how many people still do it. If the smoking rate has halved since 1991 there is still a hell of a lot of smoking going on. In 1991 it was pretty common. As the Government states 'Tobacco smoking is the leading cause of preventable diseases and death in Australia'. I'd say there must be a fair bit of it going on.
I haven't seen Norm for decades, hope he is alive and kicking. I see far more promotion of takeaway food, alcohol etc. than I do health education.
The almighty dollar rules over everything.

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thermalben Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 9:15am

Totally agree on the promotion of junk food, alcohol etc. Sugar is a silent contributor to a very significant percentage of our health problems IMO.

Not sure whether the reason for that is "the almighty dollar ruling everything" though.

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Hutchy 19 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 10:01am

You don't have to worry Blind One as you are a lemming , hypnotised by a tune and blindly marching happily to their beat to the path that leads to a cliff .

I am silly to not realise humans have changed completely in the 21st Century . The Power to tell others what to do is no longer a human aspiration .

All humans now realise that they don't necessarily know best and are willing and happy to listen and take alternative views . Utopia .

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blindboy Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 10:22am

Just generalisations Hutchy, nothing specific to back up your claim that a single "Pied Piper" is behind some vast global conspiracy, just the usual blend of assertion and meaningless metaphor.

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Hutchy 19 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 3:55pm

Blind One - I said I agree with the original post from Lucky .

Sorry my metaphor about the Pied Piper is not resonating with you .

Throughout history there have been people who think they know best and want to lead others for their benefit . Hitler is a good example .

Very strange that you believe I should be specific and name the new possible Hitler ( Pied Piper ) of the 21 Century . But you are strange so no surprise .

There would be a VERY short list of possibles .

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freeride76 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:05pm

Possible Hitlers?

You can’t leave us dangling on that Hutchy.
Who is on the short list?

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 4:19pm

you can believe or deny whatever you want...

the reality is, it's happening... be it organically, or orchestrated...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/plans-technocratic-elite-great-re...

"...According to Klaus Schwab, the founder and executive chair of the World Economic Forum (WEF), the 4-IR follows the first, second, and third Industrial Revolutions—the mechanical, electrical, and digital, respectively. The 4-IR builds on the digital revolution, but Schwab sees the 4-IR as an exponential takeoff and convergence of existing and emerging fields, including Big Data; artificial intelligence; machine learning; quantum computing; and genetics, nanotechnology, and robotics. The consequence is the merging of the physical, digital, and biological worlds. The blurring of these categories ultimately challenges the very ontologies by which we understand ourselves and the world, including “what it means to be human.”

The specific applications that make up the 4-R are too numerous and sundry to treat in full, but they include a ubiquitous internet, the internet of things, the internet of bodies, autonomous vehicles, smart cities, 3-D printing, nanotechnology, biotechnology, materials science, energy storage, and more."

it's a bit scary... and it's gonna get twisted... but it's coming regardless...

"...Under the Great Reset governance model, states and favored corporations form “public-private partnerships” in control of governance. The configuration yields a corporate-state hybrid largely unaccountable to the constituents of national governments.

The cozy relationship between multinational corporations and governments has even aroused the scorn of a few left-leaning critics. They note that the governance model of the WEF represents at least the partial privatization of the UN’s Agenda 2030, with the WEF bringing corporate partners, money, and supposed expertise on the 4-IR to the table. And the WEF’s governance model extends well beyond the UN, affecting the constitution and behavior of governments worldwide. This usurpation has led political scientist Ivan Wecke to call the WEF’s governmental redesign of the world system “a corporate takeover of global governance.”"

the ol' ppp's gets a mention... neoliberalism on steroids!!

people should most definitely be having a say in these developments

as inconvenient as that may seem to some...

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Supafreak Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 7:40pm

Bat soup ?

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freeride76 Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 7:59pm

I think the last 2 paragraphs of that article Syppo are more relevant:

Over the past twenty-one months, the response to the covid-19 scourge has consolidated the monopolistic corporations’ grip on the economy on top, while advancing “actually-existing socialism” below. In partnership with Big Tech, Big Pharma, the legacy media, national and international health agencies, and compliant populations, hitherto “democratic” Western states are increasingly being transformed into totalitarian regimes modeled after China, seemingly overnight. I need not provide a litany of the tyranny and abuses. You can read about them on alternative news sites—until you can no longer read about them even there.

The Great Reset, then, is not merely a conspiracy theory; it is an open, avowed, and planned project, and it is well underway. But because capitalism with Chinese characteristics, or corporate-socialist statism, lacks free markets and depends on the absence of free will and individual liberty, it is, ironically, “unsustainable,” and doomed to fail. The question is just how much suffering and distortion will be endured until it does.

That seems total overreach to me.
Totalitarian......really?

as in: relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

Do you really think that is where we are at?

I accept that we are in the midst of the 4 Industrial Revolution and that tech (private companies) have more and more intrusion into our lives.

An intrusion that has been chosen, btw.....as you did when you used the internet to post here.
As does ZeroHedge.

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Supafreak Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 8:27pm

If world domination by whoever ( illuminate, rothchilds , 1% elites, NWO , soros , gates ,name your own ) and it’s been planned for decades , wont they all be dead by the time the plan comes together ? Maybe optimisti can give us an answer ? The video blowin put up a few days ago was part 1 , looking forward to parts 2, 3 and more will be revealed.

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sypkan Saturday, 6 Nov 2021 at 10:01pm

"...That seems total overreach to me.
Totalitarian......really?

as in: relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

Do you really think that is where we are at?"

well... it is zerohedge... and wherever there is even a sniff of socialism, there is hyperbole...

but, do I think that's where we are at?

most definitely not...

but it's clearly most definitely where we are definitely heading... these cats don't even hide it...

or didn't...

"I accept that we are in the midst of the 4 Industrial Revolution and that tech (private companies) have more and more intrusion into our lives.

An intrusion that has been chosen, btw.....as you did when you used the internet to post here.
As does ZeroHedge."

there is good and bad freeride...

and remember, these guys are thinking 2 to 3 generations in advance... in a tech. development hyper cycle... with a master plan for society...

(and a lot of good intentions amidst the twistedness I might add...)

and then, they hit a massive road block, with trumpism / brexit / yellow vests etc, ...which has kind of exposed some of their desperation to get on with the job from what I'm seeing...

I agree, the last two paragraphs are doozies...

and, very telling...

"The Great Reset, then, is not merely a conspiracy theory; it is an open, avowed, and planned project, and it is well underway. But because capitalism with Chinese characteristics, or corporate-socialist statism, lacks free markets and depends on the absence of free will and individual liberty, it is, ironically, “unsustainable,” and doomed to fail. The question is just how much suffering and distortion will be endured until it does."

how many times pre corona did you here china's model of capitalism being lauded?

'capitalism with chinese characteristics'

if you've forgotten I'll remind you... it was the only narrative in town from some quarters... it was getting around everywhere really... china was it, the china century... no debate entered into... even through the start of corona... until... well ya know...

these dudes have had this idea for a long long time... and see it from their side... china absolutely booming... absolutely booming!! ...finanacially... technologically... even society to a certain extent... militarily... medically...

(a uygher heart muscle for an ageing billionaire anyone?)

then there's the unruly west... struggling to get any cc action... still! ...crisis after crisis... waning influence... demising economies... societies... manufacturing... everything, ...and I mean everything! ...moving in towards the chinese vortex...

I hate to break it to ya... but the davos class gave up on us unruly plebs a long time ago... totally dispensible... various agendas revealed that...

not to mention we're too much like herding cats

corona is the only thing that saved us!

from china...

which is some next level irony!

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Hutchy 19 Sunday, 7 Nov 2021 at 9:11am

Freeride - It really makes little difference who is actually playing the tune imo .

What is vital is that we all recognise the tune and don't get hypnotised by it .

The people who are playing the tune REALLY believe that they are helping save the world . Like Hitler you can't fake it . That's what makes it so dangerous . They will go to ANY lengths as it is for the greater good .

I have mentioned on SN before that they have let the "cat out of the bag " too early . People are starting to recognise the tune they are playing and don't like it . That the tune is VERY familiar .That we don't want to revert to violence to take power away from them .That no one does revolutions better than the French ( Yellow vests ) . That the people now see the establishment as not working FOR them .

There is a lot of HOPE . It will not be easy though . The establishment WILL NOT give up without a fight .

As we have already seen the establishment has shown they can change a US President .