COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
BB " Let me explain my thought processed to you Hutchy. We were talking about the death rate amongst covid cases. I pointed out thaty a small difference in the % was equal to 7-800 deaths. Then you said
"If we tallied up the road deaths and suicide deaths that might also be 1% ."
Your thought process tells me that the 1% difference equaled 7-800 deaths . I then said road and suicide might equal the same ie 1%. Seems that is what you thought and that's what I meant .
Pleading your innocence and blaming me did piss me off . Less so now .
"I am sure we can have many mutually beneficial discussions in the future."
I am willing to try .
Hutchy 19 wrote:Gary . Blindboy had the below figure on another thread . He is not very smart so don't take it as gospel . .
I don't take anything on these forums as gospel. I just read them and have a good laugh most times or learn something new at other times.
There are actually very few people on Swellnet that are "not very smart" and unfortunately you would be in that minority. After all empty vessels, most noise, etc, etc.
Gary - Your maths "The difference between those two numbers is about 175,000 human beings. That's like the whole of Hobart's population 6 feet under. Just saying!!"
It is not any comfort for me to have YOU with me in that minority pea brain . Using BB figure of 800 your calculation is 218.75 times WRONG .
Good afternoon all. The TGA's own websites statistics on adverse effects of the vaccines currently being trialled.
Still waiting for someone/anyone to check this out and provide feedback on how they read it? If this has already been gone over before, please, someone/anyone put me out of my misery and i'll stop posting it! Cheers!!
https://apps.tga.gov.au/Prod/daen/daen-entry.aspx
It's a government website with the statistics of adverse effects after having vaccines, in Australia. It also states that this year, 533 deaths may (possibly) be linked to the aforementioned adverse effects on individuals, (that's how i'm reading it but i could be wrong).
Not sure if it's been posted before but would be interested in how other crew interpret it.
The way the website is set up it makes it difficult to negotiate to find what you're looking for. I'll give step by step.
1. Click on link. On home page check the box that says 'i have read and understood.etc)
2. In the box 'Select Medicine' type Covid. A dropdown of 3 vaccines should come down. Tick them all. (i'm only assuming these are the 3 current vaccines being trialed.
3. Next in the date range, click 2021, and i just put March 1
4. You have to then click on the 2021 as the end date range to bring up the actual months and dates of the year. (sneaky government). Once you do, go through the years again and find 2021, click it, it will automatically put in September 15 or around that. Click that.
Then hit search.
This should come up....
Number of reports (cases): 58661
Number of cases with a single suspected medicine: 57787
Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 533
Discuss.
(Note. These cases are all volunteered from physicians. This doesn't represent whatever percentage of the medical profession that chooses not to disclose this information.)
Also it's possible to check world stats too i think.
I would be shitting myself after reading that if I had already rushed to get any sars-cov2 vaccine.
Not looking good.
More bullshit. Over 16 million Australians have been vaccinated. The number of deaths reported is 533 or 0.03%. The death rate from all causes is about 0.065% per year. Given the near certainty of any death possibly caused by the vaccine being reported and the fact that the evidence is that most of the deaths recorded as possibly related were from unrelated causes, then this is a giant heap of stinking fucking anti-vax crap that you should be ashamed for publishing bd. Maybe try some real simple basic research in the future to save yourself being labelled as an antivax idiot.
It's not great reading is it Michael. Hard to interpret exactly what the data means without knowing each individual case but i agree, that's a lot of bad numbers right there if you take it on face value for what it 'seems' to represent.
Hi Blindboy. Thanks for bringing the rage. Is that a vaccine side effect also???
Where did i post that i agreed with the data?
I'm simply sharing a government website and asking for feedback.
BTW I'm assuming you went to the website and went through all the 50,000 plus cases and the description of each sideeffect caused???
You could apply the same “logic” to covid hey Blindboy?
Yes! You should be ashamed at publishing those govt numbers! Ha!
I didn't publish them you or your alter ego did, and in a manner deliberately intended to deceive. The first piece of text on your link gave a specific warning about the interpretation of the figures that you ignored to try and create distrust in the vaccines. I think at best that makes you sad and deluded and at worst some sort of toxic low life better suited to the sewers of 8chan.
hahaha. Firstly, i'm not Michael so you can cancel that little delusion out.
Secondly, i agree with what Michael said. If 'proper research' isn't posting from a government website with figures from fully qualified doctors and medicos, plus their findings, i'm not sure what is??
If me posting a link to a website that i would suggest alot of people on here would be interested to check out to make up their own minds, then hey....my bad!! I'll try to keep it to the real science and the real research next time
bluediamond wrote:hahaha. Firstly, i'm not Michael so you can cancel that little delusion out.
Secondly, i agree with what Michael said. If 'proper research' isn't posting from a government website with figures from fully qualified doctors and medicos, plus their findings, i'm not sure what is??
If me posting a link to a website that i would suggest alot of people on here would be interested to check out to make up their own minds, then hey....my bad!! I'll try to keep it to the real science and the real research next time
Dis here some research for you..... http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at...
How many fingers you gots?
er...alot??
bluediamond wrote:er...alot??
not enuff for weesearch!
Its like in the bible with alot and his awife.
Anyway, back on topic, you perused the website and the stats gents?? Thoughts?
bluediamond wrote:Anyway, back on topic, you perused the website and the stats gents?? Thoughts?
Brah, der no stats there, only counts.
There are actually stats.(unless i misunderstand the meaning of the word) There's stats on every single acute adverse reaction listed. All 50000 plus of them. From the head to the toes and everything in between.
bluediamond wrote:Anyway, back on topic, you perused the website and the stats gents?? Thoughts?
Only had a quick look, will mess around with it more tomorrow when have time, hopefully can see ages etc
But in all honestly those numbers are quite eye opening 533 isn't a small figure, i dont recall hearing these kind of figures spoken about in the media.
Im pro vax and understand people being frustrated with anti vax propaganda/sentiment/misinformation etc, but that said i have to say i don't think it's fair to write you off like BB has, surely we can have a mature insult free discussion when looking at stats from an actually government website.
Cheers Indo. Yeah i honestly don't know what to make of the website myself, but definitely think it's something to be discussed. When you see numbers of 50000 plus affected adversely which i only assume means long term effects for many of them, i think this discussion should sit right alongside the conversation that Covid isn't just about the deaths but the long term effects.
Btw that number of deaths has gone up to 544 since i posted this a few nights, with 59 odd thousand cases where the vaccine was considered a (suspected) reason for the adverse effects.
Also you can hover over the blue boxes at the top of the table for descriptions on the columns meanings.
And one more thing, you can click on the other tab at the top 'list of reports' for all the ages and the exact effect it had, plus the date, for every single case. It will look like this..
626329 17/09/2021 57 F
COMIRNATY COVID-19 vaccine (BNT162b2 (mRNA)) - Suspected
Arthralgia
Confusional state
Dizziness
Hyperhidrosis
Nausea
Paraesthesia
Vaccination error
626367 17/09/2021 33 F
COMIRNATY COVID-19 vaccine (BNT162b2 (mRNA)) - Suspected
Pericarditis
626370 17/09/2021 27 F
COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S (Viral vector)) - Suspected
Fatigue
Headache
Myalgia
Nausea
Pyrexia
626372 17/09/2021 25 F
COMIRNATY COVID-19 vaccine (BNT162b2 (mRNA)) - Suspected
Burning sensation
Paraesthesia
626400 17/09/2021 28 F
COMIRNATY COVID-19 vaccine (BNT162b2 (mRNA)) - Suspected
Chest pain
Cluster headache
Fatigue
Panic attack
Tinnitus
626402 17/09/2021 62 F
COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S (Viral vector)) - Suspected
Influenza like illness
626521 17/09/2021 - M
COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S (Viral vector)) - Suspected
Fibrin D dimer increased
Pericarditis
Pulmonary embolism
626536 17/09/2021 61 M
COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S (Viral vector)) - Suspected
Fibrin D dimer increased
Pulmonary embolism
Call it what u want but make no mistake my friends,this is an pharmaceutical dictatorship.
From what I can gather from the site is that the numbers still only state 'suspected' side effects and deaths at best. And if I'm not mistaken these reported cases can be submitted by any individual . To add to that it seems it's a voluntary process and probably doesn't reflect the true numbers , either greater or smaller. It's open to a large degree of error + or - .
Not arguing a case for or against the vaccines here, but I certainly would like to know the real numbers on side effects and death rates too.
Yep i think you're correct Tubeshooter. It looks like you can self report. Good find. And an oversight on my behalf stating that it was medical professionals only reporting it.
Would love to see statistics on how many incidents were reported by doctors.
Also wonder how valid alot of the entries are. It's pretty murky to work through at best.
But at 59,000 cases reported there must be some truths amongst them all.
I just did a little browse through one day, September 17 2021, and amongst the dozens of reports from that day, just focusing on one side effect,13 cases of a Pulmonary Embolism were reported
So yeah dunno what it all means. Hard to ascertain what's valid. Would love to get more info from those closer to the source.
btw from what i could read on it, the 'suspected medicine' is what was suspected of causing the reaction. Could be wrong though.
Just wanted to put this out there for feedback because if there's any truths in it that's pretty scary stuff.
troppo dichotomy wrote:Call it what u want but make no mistake my friends,this is an pharmaceutical dictatorship.
Gold.
tubeshooter wrote:From what I can gather from the site is that the numbers still only state 'suspected' side effects and deaths at best. And if I'm not mistaken these reported cases can be submitted by any individual . To add to that it seems it's a voluntary process and probably doesn't reflect the true numbers , either greater or smaller. It's open to a large degree of error + or - .
Not arguing a case for or against the vaccines here, but I certainly would like to know the real numbers on side effects and death rates too.
Any individual can report cases. This in itself should raise alarm bells. Covidiot anti vaxers would have swarmed all over this site corrupted the stats for their own bias.
Gawd..the stupid people that gullibly accept this as fact shows the level of inquiry is non existent.
Roadkill wrote:tubeshooter wrote:From what I can gather from the site is that the numbers still only state 'suspected' side effects and deaths at best. And if I'm not mistaken these reported cases can be submitted by any individual . To add to that it seems it's a voluntary process and probably doesn't reflect the true numbers , either greater or smaller. It's open to a large degree of error + or - .
Not arguing a case for or against the vaccines here, but I certainly would like to know the real numbers on side effects and death rates too.Any individual can report cases. This in itself should raise alarm bells. Covidiot anti vaxers would have swarmed all over this site corrupted the stats for their own bias.
Gawd..the stupid people that gullibly accept this as fact shows the level of inquiry is non existent.
Roady, wasnt accepting this as fact. By posting it on here and asking for others opinions, i would have thought was a fair level of inquiry.
Also, i wouldn't discount all of these stats as being 'antivax'. This list goes back a long way. Might be worth keeping an open mind. I'm not sure on the self reporting protocol and how it's monitored.
It's a government website. I'm surprised in an era when the government and tech and media industries are doing all they can to supress any potential 'misinformation' about covid and vaccines, that they then plonk a website out there with these figures.
Thanks BD for the TGA website.
Pumped in COVID Astra Zeneca, then got 325 deaths 'attributed' to the AZ vax.
Note that the furthermost right column catalogues the number of reported deaths.
Hover over this column. In total 325 deaths for AZ, however "these reports of death may or may not be have been the result of taking a medicine".
PE's related to AZ, which everyone was screaming about 6 months ago, account for 35 deaths.
As disclaimed at the start:
"An adverse event report does not mean that the medicine is the cause of the adverse event."
Not trying to diminish the numbers, but also need to consider the co-morbidities of the patients, age, demographics etc.
Raw poorly differentiated data...
troppo dichotomy wrote:Call it what u want but make no mistake my friends,this is an pharmaceutical dictatorship.
Actually troppo, can you explain what you mean by, quote…this is an pharmaceutical dictatorship? What does that mean?
Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 26 September 2021, over 26.8 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given. So far, the TGA has found 9 reports of death that were linked to immunisation from 564 reports received and reviewed. The overwhelming majority of deaths reported to the TGA following vaccination occurred in people aged 65 years and older. The deaths linked to immunisation occurred after the first dose of Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) – 8 were TTS cases and one was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP). https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-30...
Roadkill wrote:tubeshooter wrote:From what I can gather from the site is that the numbers still only state 'suspected' side effects and deaths at best. And if I'm not mistaken these reported cases can be submitted by any individual . To add to that it seems it's a voluntary process and probably doesn't reflect the true numbers , either greater or smaller. It's open to a large degree of error + or - .
Not arguing a case for or against the vaccines here, but I certainly would like to know the real numbers on side effects and death rates too.Any individual can report cases. This in itself should raise alarm bells. Covidiot anti vaxers would have swarmed all over this site corrupted the stats for their own bias.
Gawd..the stupid people that gullibly accept this as fact shows the level of inquiry is non existent.
Pretty shitty system if thats the case and yeah wouldn't be very accurate, but surely cause of deaths have to be reported from a proper source?
Supafreak wrote:Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 26 September 2021, over 26.8 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given. So far, the TGA has found 9 reports of death that were linked to immunisation from 564 reports received and reviewed. The overwhelming majority of deaths reported to the TGA following vaccination occurred in people aged 65 years and older. The deaths linked to immunisation occurred after the first dose of Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) – 8 were TTS cases and one was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP). https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-30...
Im confused, so where does this larger figure come from?
@indo , I’m assuming that people that died after vaccination , gets reported and investigated for a link to vaccine . If no link found then vaccine isn’t associated with death. I’m sure there’s some way of finding age of these deaths and what type of health they were in . The system world wide isn’t a good one VAERS in the US and yellow card in the UK has plenty of holes in the reports and investigations .
I copped a puncture wound last week and along with some bandaging I had to take a tetanus shot. 2 days later completely out of the blue I woke up blocked and with a splitting headache. It had to be the shot. My plan of coffee and panadol worked well after a few uncomfortable hours but it did leave me wondering, should I have done my own reesurch and not bowed to the pharmaceutical overlords?
san Guine wrote:Thanks BD for the TGA website.
Pumped in COVID Astra Zeneca, then got 325 deaths 'attributed' to the AZ vax.
Note that the furthermost right column catalogues the number of reported deaths.
Hover over this column. In total 325 deaths for AZ, however "these reports of death may or may not be have been the result of taking a medicine".
PE's related to AZ, which everyone was screaming about 6 months ago, account for 35 deaths.
As disclaimed at the start:
"An adverse event report does not mean that the medicine is the cause of the adverse event."
Not trying to diminish the numbers, but also need to consider the co-morbidities of the patients, age, demographics etc.
Raw poorly differentiated data...
San, AZ vax has been slandered and I believe there has been a concerted effort by other big Pharma's to make AZ unpalatable to the global market .
There has been so much unsubstantiated bullshit around AZ , with fears of blood clotting being 1 in 250000( women get blood clotting 1 in a 1000 from taking the pill , men get clots 1 in 8000 from Viagra LOL.) , efficacy in the elderly , supplies to the EU(political Brexit BS ) all a beat up , originally the USA ordered 300m doses of AZ , at cost from AZ $4.....Pfizer now $25....
So imagine Pfizer being beaten by Oxford /AZ in being the first with a vaccine. Oxford University wanted to help humanity in finding a manufacturer who would produces and sell their vaccine for cost...
So the Oxford mob found AZ who agreed to save us all as, they had never manufactured a vaccine as they are one of the Worlds leading Cancer drug producers......every other Covid vaccine maker shit them selves as their competitor was selling for cost , and was first into the market.......
The campaign/misinformation here in Australia to put fear into everybody about blood clots was just stunning , Qlds health minister/ATAGI, both Fed and State...all failed the Australian people miserably by being part of an international campaign to discredit O/AZ.....
We had the chance to be all vaccinated in Australia months ago , with our locally manufactured AZ , which means we would be out of lockdowns , out health systems and workers (Thanx San to you all) would not be having to suffer the overload that is here and still more overload coming , deaths and the suffering of people in Hospital , people dying in their houses...the list goes on, of economic pain and hardship , people suffering depression, youth suicide, family violence, polarising of anti-vaxxers vs vaxxers .....etc..
This could have all been avoided , or a lot lesser numbers , if our leaders had not failed us , and we were not subjected to misinformation of the Oxford AZ......
As I recently posted its a bit like being in the desert dying of thirst , when someone walks up and offers water to save you....you reply sorry I only drink Perrier......and suffer the consequences just like Australia is now....all could have been avoided !
as you know I have had major health issues over the last 10 years ....I know so many Drs/Nurses etc , they are my heros, as at the end of the day all the bad decision making falls on our health workers , who double up on shifts , deal with the daily misery of Covid and the grief of family's and it's only getting worse...and now health workers having to change out of their PPE's because they could get attacked by anti-vaxxers...FFS...speechless......
The reason I am writing this is we all get carried away wit stats this and that , make comments on the smoke and mirrors of Covid.....but the fact remains Australia had everything they needed to avoid our current lockdowns/Covid surge.......
Oh yeah here's the latest tests of AZ in the USA , which shows how good AZ is.....
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56521166
then there's this report from March before Delta .........100% stops hospitalisations.....
https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announcements/astrazeneca-vaccin...
we got scammed!
shoredump wrote:I copped a puncture wound last week and along with some bandaging I had to take a tetanus shot. 2 days later completely out of the blue I woke up blocked and with a splitting headache. It had to be the shot. My plan of coffee and panadol worked well after a few uncomfortable hours but it did leave me wondering, should I have done my own reesurch and not bowed to the pharmaceutical overlords?
so tetanus shot .....do you have any idea what would have happed to you if you got tetanus?
Brutus - A parasite that causes muscle spasms, also called lock jaw. 10% death rate from there
I don’t think twice about vaccines. If a doctor says I should take it i do, I don’t even spend 10 seconds second guessing them. I’ve eaten hot dogs, smoked weed and rubbed sunscreen into my skin plenty of times. I’m used to living dangerously
The anti vax thread was relegated to the back blocks where it belongs and then some naive "Im not anti vax but..." moron "doing their own research" LOL, has the stupidity to dredge it up again. Now that is fucking gold. I'm still calling BD is an 11 year old chick. (not that there is anything wrong with that ). If your interpretation of the data was correct it would be headlines across the world. Leave the sciency stuff to the experts love.
shoredump wrote:Brutus - A parasite that causes muscle spasms, also called lock jaw. 10% death rate from there
I don’t think twice about vaccines. If a doctor says I should take it i do, I don’t even spend 10 seconds second guessing them. I’ve eaten hot dogs, smoked weed and rubbed sunscreen into my skin plenty of times. I’m used to living dangerously
LOL , yeah lifes a bit easier if we just follow the scientists and the Dr's.....and I too have had my share of "cocktails" in my life, LOL.......as I posted above it's trying to work out the false scientists/Drs misinformation.........and why people are vaccine hesitant, but will take any number of other spruiked up so called Covid beaters...that have not been peer reviewed yet!
Brutus, your post at 9:37 was spot on...I cant believe the obvious madness and deception around such a good and homemade AZ vaccine. Oxford Uni went the extra mile (24x7) to deliver a result from many previous years of research and at cost price for everyone. It will, I believe, turn out to be the most long lasting as well.
Brutus -" I posted above it's trying to work out the false scientists/Drs misinformation.........and why people are vaccine hesitant "
You answered your own question -" it's trying to work out the false scientists/Drs misinformation."
The story from experts like Fauci has changed too many times and he has been PROVED to have lied about funding "gain of function " research . And you still are not hesitant and believe everything from a proven liar . Not me .
It is only people like you that don't have an enquiring mind that are not hesitant .
brutus wrote:san Guine wrote:Thanks BD for the TGA website.
Pumped in COVID Astra Zeneca, then got 325 deaths 'attributed' to the AZ vax.
Note that the furthermost right column catalogues the number of reported deaths.
Hover over this column. In total 325 deaths for AZ, however "these reports of death may or may not be have been the result of taking a medicine".
PE's related to AZ, which everyone was screaming about 6 months ago, account for 35 deaths.
As disclaimed at the start:
"An adverse event report does not mean that the medicine is the cause of the adverse event."
Not trying to diminish the numbers, but also need to consider the co-morbidities of the patients, age, demographics etc.
Raw poorly differentiated data...
San, AZ vax has been slandered and I believe there has been a concerted effort by other big Pharma's to make AZ unpalatable to the global market .
There has been so much unsubstantiated bullshit around AZ , with fears of blood clotting being 1 in 250000( women get blood clotting 1 in a 1000 from taking the pill , men get clots 1 in 8000 from Viagra LOL.) , efficacy in the elderly , supplies to the EU(political Brexit BS ) all a beat up , originally the USA ordered 300m doses of AZ , at cost from AZ $4.....Pfizer now $25....
So imagine Pfizer being beaten by Oxford /AZ in being the first with a vaccine. Oxford University wanted to help humanity in finding a manufacturer who would produces and sell their vaccine for cost...
So the Oxford mob found AZ who agreed to save us all as, they had never manufactured a vaccine as they are one of the Worlds leading Cancer drug producers......every other Covid vaccine maker shit them selves as their competitor was selling for cost , and was first into the market.......
The campaign/misinformation here in Australia to put fear into everybody about blood clots was just stunning , Qlds health minister/ATAGI, both Fed and State...all failed the Australian people miserably by being part of an international campaign to discredit O/AZ.....
We had the chance to be all vaccinated in Australia months ago , with our locally manufactured AZ , which means we would be out of lockdowns , out health systems and workers (Thanx San to you all) would not be having to suffer the overload that is here and still more overload coming , deaths and the suffering of people in Hospital , people dying in their houses...the list goes on, of economic pain and hardship , people suffering depression, youth suicide, family violence, polarising of anti-vaxxers vs vaxxers .....etc..
This could have all been avoided , or a lot lesser numbers , if our leaders had not failed us , and we were not subjected to misinformation of the Oxford AZ......
As I recently posted its a bit like being in the desert dying of thirst , when someone walks up and offers water to save you....you reply sorry I only drink Perrier......and suffer the consequences just like Australia is now....all could have been avoided !
as you know I have had major health issues over the last 10 years ....I know so many Drs/Nurses etc , they are my heros, as at the end of the day all the bad decision making falls on our health workers , who double up on shifts , deal with the daily misery of Covid and the grief of family's and it's only getting worse...and now health workers having to change out of their PPE's because they could get attacked by anti-vaxxers...FFS...speechless......The reason I am writing this is we all get carried away wit stats this and that , make comments on the smoke and mirrors of Covid.....but the fact remains Australia had everything they needed to avoid our current lockdowns/Covid surge.......
Oh yeah here's the latest tests of AZ in the USA , which shows how good AZ is.....
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56521166
then there's this report from March before Delta .........100% stops hospitalisations.....
https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announcements/astrazeneca-vaccin...
we got scammed!
Yeah Brutus, it is disgusting how AZ has been bagged and often discredited when they gave to the world cost. Many hate big pharma yet never had the balls to take the AZ shot. It shows how stupid and not prone to thinking, people can be.
Hutchy you support one of the greatest liars in History , who was and is responsible for so many Covid deaths , and sickness's you know the bloke with orange fake tan , orange fake hair , he was and is the king of Fake news ....read what I posted about AZ and get back to me , or not!
as for the enquiring mind comment , what is there to enquire about when you have no idea what you are enquiring about...have no expertise , very little street smarts....I mean porous borders, LOL?
Hutchy 19 wrote:Brutus -" I posted above it's trying to work out the false scientists/Drs misinformation.........and why people are vaccine hesitant "
You answered your own question -" it's trying to work out the false scientists/Drs
misinformation."The story from experts like Fauci has changed too many times and he has been PROVED to have lied about funding "gain of function " research . And you still are not hesitant and believe everything from a proven liar . Not me .
It is only people like you that don't have an enquiring mind that are not hesitant .
The politics of this are worth thinking about also. The UAP are simply a means of rounding up the anti-vaxxers, climate deniers and various other fringe groups in order to deliver their votes to the LNP via preferences. So we have the spectacle of a member of parliament, who used to be part of the government, undermining the public health effort by throwing doubt on the efficacy and safety of vaccines while funded by a (quite literally) bloated plutocrat. All simply to improve his business prospects by pressuring the government not to act on emissions, the main source of his wealth. Immoral? No, I think we can go to amoral on this issue.
"So we have the spectacle of a member of parliament, who used to be part of the government, undermining the public health effort..."
100% BB,
And all the while, shamelessly suckling on the teat of the taxpayer funded politicians' entitlement. Amoral is correct.
It's all about the unvaccinated
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/us/us-covid-deaths-700k.html
old-dog wrote:The anti vax thread was relegated to the back blocks where it belongs and then some naive "Im not anti vax but..." moron "doing their own research" LOL, has the stupidity to dredge it up again. Now that is fucking gold. I'm still calling BD is an 11 year old chick. (not that there is anything wrong with that ). If your interpretation of the data was correct it would be headlines across the world. Leave the sciency stuff to the experts love.
Online tough guy huh?
Would love you to come and say that to my face. Nothing weaker than an online troll. Get a life dipshit
san Guine wrote:It's all about the unvaccinated
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/us/us-covid-deaths-700k.html
Good luck san Guine, don’t forget to look after yourself first
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia