Interesting stuff

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors...

"Like a combination of SARS and AIDS"
"Can cause irreversible lung damage"

Take it from a surfer who spent a majority of the surfing life with reduced breathing capacity (happily at full capacity now!) - you want to preserve that bit...

geez indod! I like to back you because I believe your opinions are not as radical and right wing as some like to portray you...

but not this time, as zenman points out... cash is freedom! I also do the same as him ie. keeping electronic transfers to a minimum, travel with cash etc. ...and I literally have nothing to hide, I just don't like people, shops, marketers, online schysters, banks, and government knowing my business

cash is also a bargaining tool, people love cash... for whatever reason... whatever the amount...

it may be different now, but when I went to japan 12 or so years ago, it was just when all this electronic payment thing and credit cards were really taking off. I was quite surprised to arrive in japan and find that cash is king, still, they respect and love cash, you can't beat it. maybe not so much now...

I was chatting with my chinese workmate the other day and he said everything in china has gone electronic... even street food!

this may sound good on the surface, but as blowin points out, it opens the door for all sorts of coercion and manipulations. really not healthy, government aside, I don't want banks and tech. giants having that sort of control over me at all. tech. giants have shown they cannot be trusted with our data never mind our money!

and really GST?! you're worried about that, but not the billions of dollars that have made their way to panama and the caymans?

I think you really need to think a bit more big picture

...and don't forget about when the systems fail.

in the bushfires cars were lined up at servos for hundreds of metres, only to find at the pump they were accepting cash only!

eftpos goes down from time to time....

My old boss used to bury that much cash in glass jars in his backyard that he'd forget where they all were. Hated banks with a passion

VJ did you do any particular training to get your lung capacity back or just a result of better health?

indo so when you were on dole you never did a days work here and there for a bit of folding money ?

Everyone should pay cash for everything. If you don't , you will be partially responsible for a future global takeover of the money system. Eftpos wont be 15c or 17c anymore to the retailer, it will cost you a dollar or two dollars or whatever amount the banks choose. You will be a bond slave to your own bank account. You will go nowhere and do nothing without monitoring. The morons who use paywave at the markets are some of the worst offenders. Don't be an idiot and sell society down the drain to the banking system. They don't care about you...yes its really true they don't. Draw out your money on payday, do your budget and pay cash for everything. Pay bills cash at the P.O. If you don't use it we'll lose it.

I think there is a difference between understanding something and supporting it, I understand why the government would want to limit transaction amounts, it's just makes sense.

Do i support it?...honestly couldn't care less if it happened.

In regard to a cashless society, i think in our life times chance's are we will see the end of cash, personally id prefer we kept it but if it happens or is proposed i wont be out on the streets trying to stop it from happening.

Yeah 100% when i was on the dole i may have done cash work, I'm also a tradie and i despise GST, i use to employee someone but i just couldn't be fucked with all the paper work bass crap etc because it pushes me way over the GST threshold so now i juggle things so my turn over is just under $75K, my mortgage payments are low and my missus also works and get to Indo for at least a month or more a year which helps keep below the threshold..(plus i world short days as drop off and pick up my girl from school, hence why i waste time here ;)

But that said even though i try to avoid paying it i still understand why we have the GST or why limiting tax transactions to a certain amount makes sense, 100% understand why the government would do it.

The black economy in any country is a problem, look at a place like Indonesia a huge part of their economy is cash and not taxed which means much less tax revenue to improve the country and means even though there is an official min wage millions of people earn much much less. (yes yes corruption also big problem we all know that, it is surprisingly actually getting better though)

Obviously it would be best to tackle all areas of lost tax revenue including money going offshore.

BTW. Speaking of bushfires etc so much cash gets burnt in events like that, imagine if you kept your life savings in cash at home instead of the bank and you were say overseas and the bushfires hit and burnt all your cash stash.

Anyway good to not talk about Coronavirus for a few post :D

Bans on cash, facial recognition to use online porn, bans on using a credit cards to bet with bookies. Yes the LNP are all about small government, personal freedoms and the free market.

Not saying don't pay tax Indo, as we all should do the right thing. Paying cash for daily stuff keeps the power in your hands and requires no tech. and while we are using it, it wont be done away with. Only a week ago driving up the coast, I stopped at my usual servo, put in $50 of juice, place looked busy, walked inside and a big line to the door. Girl on register nearly crying a getting instructions from the other lady, its down again, it just wont work she kept saying. I walked up to the front past the big line, banged down my $50 cash and said "number 2 thanks and cheers"...Everyone stared at me with their cards out and helpless. Not very often but occasionally I get to be the smartest man in the room. Cash is king. Sometimes you need your card for online stuff etc..but cash is king so use it.

PS saw that apology Blowin and did appreciate it ...Cheers and thanks.

adam12 a ban on using credit cards (or any electronic money system) for any type of gambling in my opinion would be a good thing. Fucking scourge of the earth gambling is - especially the elctronic stuff. Destroys lives on a daily basis and the disclaimer about "gambling responsibly" does not cut the mustard I'm afraid. Not a personal issue I have but someone close to me does and it fucks a family up quick smart I can guarantee you.

Signs the world is ending:

Fires
Floods
Pestilence
And now maggots on the beach

Few weeks back, after that bout of swell that ended with TC Uesi, a local beach was coated end to end, dune to shorebreak, with seaweed. You've never seen so much, and in parts it was stacked up twice as high as a human. I climbed these 'mountains' with my sons and dog, slipping around in the gunk, old mate Max with his olfactory senses working overtime, all having a ball before diving in the ocean to wash it off.

In time most of the weed washed away, though some got buried in the sand build up.

Today I surfed the same beach and rubbed the sleep out of my eyes when I saw the whole beach moving. Peered closer....maggots! Millions of them!

Thought maggots were carnivores, but the local font of knowledge explained it as animals, mostly microscopic, caught in the weed beds and dying, attracting flies, who pop out the maggots. All natural, circle of life shit, but unsettling all the same.

What's hezza gear?

Thirroul whiting? Yeah, I'm not eating any fish that's eaten that.

Only organic grain-fed fish for me.

there'll be garfish feasting on those maggots Stu wherever there is a steep beach.

get yourself a feed. No 10 hook and float and use maggots for bait.

Jeez, and I used to think you were so butch Stu.

Reckon I'll stick to proving my machismo the usual ways: jumping off big cliffs, drinking myself into a coma, and bragging about sexual conquests.

Fuck eating maggots, even indirectly.

That's the spirit!

You forgot shaving with a rusty hunting knife.

Only if it results in a tasering.

I hate to spoil your day Stu but some livestock feed has maggot meal in it.

I'm a huge fan of maggots.

I heard this radio doco on BBC about this guy farming maggots for livestock food and how it was going to be a billion dollar industry etc etc .

Thought: I can do that at home. Now I farm my own maggots for chook/duck food.

It's highly rewarding Stu, don't knock it until you've tried it.

You read it here first on Swellnet!

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-06/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-in...

Next up, will some insurance companies now come to the party with Cancel for Any Reason (CFAR) products to fill the vacuum (and make a buck of course)? Keep your eyes peeled.

yeah, but non-coronavirus expenses are still covered, right?

so cancelling a trip still looks pretty weak sauce.

or not?

realistically this thing is not even as serious as the flu.

^^^ My question too.

The policy isn't cancelled, it just no longer covers coronavirus.

Right?

for a pandemic or man made virus this thing sure is doing a piss poor job of infecting/killing people.

>>"realistically this thing is not even as serious as the flu."

>>"for a pandemic or man made virus this thing sure is doing a piss poor job of infecting/killing people"

bullshit

the flu kills about 0.15% of people infected

this kills about 2% of people infected (current estimates)

if you get it, you have a 98% chance of surviving, much higher if younger and fitter and have no underlying conditions

this thing spreads in a way similar to the flu. once heaps of people get it (as is happening), on the current projections you'd expect it to kill over 10 times more people than the flu kills

things can change and more information might show some of those current assumptions to be inaccurate, but that is what all the hoo-haa is about and once medical systems get swamped, and medical workers start getting sick, you also get people dying of other stuff that wouldn't normally have happened because the health system can't deal with what it would normally deal with

it is not the end of the world. it is much more serious than the flu

FR: I don’t even reckon it’s started yet mate. As Blowin said, the infection rates will ramp up quickly. The risk of mutation is there, increasing (or decreasing) lethality. SARS mutated itself into a more benign form. Fortunately.

infection rates will ramp up quickly?

will they?

When?

what is there : 50 people infected in Aus and 2 killed, a 95 year old woman and a 78 year old man.
Most cases of young people don't even know they have it.

And it's worse than the flu?

OK.

>>"what is there : 50 people infected in Aus and 2 killed, a 95 year old woman and a 78 year old man. Most cases of young people don't even know they have it. And it's worse than the flu? OK."

as i said:

the flu kills about 0.15% of people infected

this kills about 2% of people infected (current estimates)

if you get it, you have a 98% chance of surviving, much higher if younger and fitter and have no underlying conditions

this thing spreads in a way similar to the flu. once heaps of people get it (as is happening), on the current projections you'd expect it to kill over 10 times more people than the flu kills

believe what you want

I have no beliefs.

Just following the facts of the case as they are made clear.

Yeah, I got baked beans and food in the garden/ocean.

Well I've got nothing, not even toilet paper.

Actually, maggots.

I've got those.

probably totally edible.

but far better if you turn them into garfish or whiting.

Mutation has already happened they claim

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-06/coronavirus-updates-live/12031742

"once heaps of people get it (as is happening)"

Taiwan has tens of thousands of it's people living in China, many of whom visit in the first few months of the year.

42 cases, one death. A taxi driver in his 60's with pre-existing health conditions.

Not what I believe, just facts.

"VJ did you do any particular training to get your lung capacity back or just a result of better health?"

Hi Fliplid - edit: I'm a bit of a special case for that, was able to increase RBCs from a lower level.

For increasing my capability/breath further I'd do what everyone else does, swim training, breath training, paddle training, some weights - including reading up on correct technique.

Hey blowin what pic hosting service are you using to post up the memes? Was it imgur or something? Excellent mad cow too.

"Taiwan has tens of thousands of it's people living in China, many of whom visit in the first few months of the year. 42 cases, one death. A taxi driver in his 60's with pre-existing health conditions. Not what I believe, just facts."

just facts. nicely cherry-picked facts

here's some more, general facts (and a source):

"COVID-19 ... appears to be slightly more infectious than the flu (R0 2.8 vs. 1.28)* and has a higher case fatality rate (2.3% v. 0.1%). Fortunately, 80% of those infected have mild symptoms and mortality rates are relatively low in healthy adults under 60 years and children. The greatest risk is among older individuals with heart or lung disease, diabetes or among immunocompromised individuals."

*R0 is the average number of people who will be infected from one contagious person.

https://www.usf.edu/coronavirus/health-updates.aspx

notice that most of the numbers you have posted are consistent with everything i've said / quoted, or higher in terms of mortality rate

choose whatever facts you want to believe

and hope you're getting some waves

i'm done here

:)

Yes, Stunet and Freeride, policies aren't cancelled, and yes, they just no longer cover coronavirus. Anything to do with it. Flight cancellations; lockdowns; quarantining; hospitalisation.

So, if you've got the cash, why not go for it?

Including paying the big bucks for any new CFAR policies.

Some of us may be more cashed up than others.

But when it comes to the US, that definitely ain't me.