Interesting stuff
Yep.
A simpleton’s guide to understanding…
- context and facts ;)
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This is a story of a man that I heard at his funeral some years ago. I had met this very humble peaceful man several times over a period of 30 years and he had always impressed me by his kindness.
As a boy he was put on a train to flee Austria for Britain just before the start of WW2. His family were concerned about the Nazis and had written to every British family with the same name pleading to take in their boy, finally they had found a family and he was sent off to Britain. On the day he boarded that train little did he or his family would know that it was the last time they would see each other, his entire family were lost in the death camps.
He settled in with his host family but as Germany edged closer to Britain it was decided to send the Jewish children who had escaped the Nazis to Australia, somewhere safer. So halfway across the Atlantic the rescue ship loaded with Jewish children was hit by a torpedo from a Uboat but it failed to detonate …. This man lived a full life here in Australia, marrying an equally peaceful woman and they raised two daughters. He disagreed with war and conflict of any sort, that became his faith, no matter the circumstances so there was much he disagreed with in the ME, on both sides. It is very very complicated
Jelly Flater wrote:“ If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”
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Good vid JF
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.”
- Nietzsche
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&pp=ygUNaXQncyB0aGUgdmliZQ%3D%3D Supafreak wrote:I had an interesting conversation with my taxi driver on the way home from hospital this morning . He has been living in oz for 34 years and originally a palestinian from Israel. My first words to him after good morning and where I was going were “ the worlds gone mad “ He had a lot to say and strongly believes that the world will enter the end of times come 2027 . He claimed to have studied what has been written in the Christian bible , koran and tanakh and said they more or less predict the same thing . He spoke of the return of Jesus before 2033 to rule the world and that Islam would be the victorious. He agreed that the Gaza Strip is about to be flattened and he calmly excepted this because he believes it is all written . He also predicted the natural disasters that are occurring around the world will double every year from now on . At the end of the ride I just said, well I better get on with enjoying life then , he smiled and said “ yes good luck to all because we are not in charge.
Had a similarly spun out discussion with an Afghani cab driver many years ago, it went into full 'great game' mode. Interesting bloke.
As for the prophesy, I warned you that the powered hydrofoil goat boat was the harbinger of the end times. Now they foil amongst us.
Went over to the Times of Israel site to read the editorial and get the zeitgeist there, and whoa, this has really affected them. I'm seeing extreme alert and alarm, confounding themselves as being taken complacently, and an opinion piece of pure shock from an American Jewish girl that her fellow progressive civil rights advocates are all cheering Palestine which feels like betrayl. With the army mobilised, the level of bombing of Gaza and tacit approval from backers, it looks like they are going to continue to ramp. If they do go in, it will be completely horrible for both sides (Fallujah for example).
I found a couple of excellent Al Jazeera docs on previous conflicts (I thought balanced: interviewed veterans on both sides) and I'll put them up.
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OK google maps and the ME coastline: how come the huge marina in Gaza has been made and appears to have accumulated sand - and the curve of the accumulated sand has created great A frames! How come we can't do that when we tamper with the coastline in Oz? Edit: that's on the south side, the sand. On the north side is horror sand stripping, leaving just a rocky shoreline - just like the sand starvation issues here.
Bonus easter egg hunt: I think I found the ME's skeleton bay. Can you find it?
I’ve been planning on a holiday to Israel for a few years (after Covid). Was looking forward to having a surf. And checking out some of the religious history also. (not religious). Might be a tad delayed with this horrible flare up.
Ps nice sand build up.
seeds wrote:I’ve been planning on a holiday to Israel for a few years (after Covid). Was looking forward to having a surf. And checking out some of the religious history also. (not religious). Might be a tad delayed with this horrible flare up.
Ps nice sand build up.
You'll be right seeds. ;)
Yes. We’ll played. One my favourite movie scenes.
‘…still pretty hairy out there, sir’ ;)
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velocityjohnno wrote:OK google maps and the ME coastline: how come the huge marina in Gaza has been made and appears to have accumulated sand - and the curve of the accumulated sand has created great A frames! How come we can't do that when we tamper with the coastline in Oz? Edit: that's on the south side, the sand. On the north side is horror sand stripping, leaving just a rocky shoreline - just like the sand starvation issues here.
Bonus easter egg hunt: I think I found the ME's skeleton bay. Can you find it?
Which one vj?
Some nice clean waves on the Cams earlier today looks to have Dropped off a bit now.
Sent you a link at 4.15 Craig
Just saw, yeah small peaks.
Some great Surfboards made in Israel.
Intermission…
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We often hear about the 2 state solution between Israel and the Arabs.
Unfortunately even when it was first proposed in 1947 and Israel accepted the UN deal to have a lesser slice than the Arabs just to keep the peace and have a place back in their homeland , the Arabs said quote” no, and we will drive them into the sea”.
I found a great historical video on you tube that is well worth a watch. It takes Israel’s journey from WW2 to its statehood. Pretty graphic but a good history lesson and helps us all understand both sides of the story.
Look up…” The Miracle of Israel 1945-1948” on you tube.
I reckon the first one goofy with the long bar/lake setup. Prevailing storms from the west over the Med would line it up? It would probably have quite a bit of shifting sands with all the desert nearby too.
Anyone surfed it? Anyone surfed through the ME and north Africa?
And a bit more of the historical picture:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
"World War I left Palestine, especially the countryside, deeply impoverished.[31] The Ottoman and then the Mandate authorities levied high taxes on farming and agricultural produce and during the 1920s and 1930s this together with a fall in prices, cheap imports, natural disasters and paltry harvests all contributed to the increasing indebtedness of the fellahin.[32] The rents paid by tenant fellah increased sharply, owing to increased population density, and growing transfer of land from Arabs to the Jewish settlement agencies, such as the Jewish National Fund, increased the number of fellahin evicted while also removing the land as a future source of livelihood.[33] By 1931 the 106,400 dunums of low-lying Category A farming land in Arab possession supported a farming population of 590,000 whereas the 102,000 dunums of such land in Jewish possession supported a farming population of only 50,000.[34] The late 1920s witnessed poor harvests, and the consequent immiseration grew even harsher with the onset of the Great Depression and the collapse of commodity prices.[13] The Shaw Commission in 1930 had identified the existence of a class of 'embittered landless people' as a contributory factor to the preceding 1929 disturbances,[35] and the problem of these 'landless' Arabs grew particularly grave after 1931, causing High Commissioner Wauchope to warn that this 'social peril ... would serve as a focus of discontent and might even result in serious disorders.'[35]
David Ben-Gurion told mourners at a funeral held on 20 April 1936 for nine victims of rioting in Jaffa the previous day that Jews would only be safe "in communities which are 100% Jewish and built on Jewish land."[36][37]
Economic factors played a major role in the outbreak of the Arab revolt.[14] Palestine's fellahin, the country's peasant farmers, made up over two-thirds of the indigenous Arab population and from the 1920s onwards they were pushed off the land in increasingly large numbers into urban environments where they often encountered only poverty and social marginalisation.[14] Many were crowded into shanty towns in Jaffa and Haifa where some found succour and encouragement in the teachings of the charismatic preacher Izz ad-Din al-Qassam who worked among the poor in Haifa.[14] The revolt was thus a popular uprising that produced its own leaders and developed into a national revolt.[14]"
It seems that many Palestinians were farmers who were overly taxed by the Ottomans, and then the British mandate. Increasing Jewish settlement in Palestine saw much of the productive land purchased off the Palestinians who were left to accumulate in urban areas and work for wages. Commodities prices falling in the 1920s and 30s added to tension.
Ray Dalio's take:
Another Step Toward International War
"...we should recognize that these two hot wars (the Israel-Hamas war and the Russia-Ukraine war) are not just between the parties directly involved in them—these wars are part of the bigger great power conflicts to shape the new world order..."
China, Russia, Iran, etc, smell US weakness, particularly political, economic/financial and social, and are now testing the waters.
These countries will not stop until the US's global hegemony is displaced for good; it's their sole objective.
gsco wrote:Ray Dalio's take:
Another Step Toward International War
"...we should recognize that these two hot wars (the Israel-Hamas war and the Russia-Ukraine war) are not just between the parties directly involved in them—these wars are part of the bigger great power conflicts to shape the new world order..."
China, Russia, Iran, etc, smell US weakness, particularly political, economic/financial and social, and are now testing the waters.
These countries will not stop until the US's global hegemony is displaced for good; it's their sole objective.
Interesting frightening read.
Thanks for posting.
Ha ha Udo you are really throwing a cat amongst the pigeons throwing Avi in the mix.
I saw he flew over there, i havent even watched the video yet, and im sure his take on thing's will be heavily bias being a Israeli Jew who has served in the forces, but still its going to be very interesting to actually get view's from everyday Israeli people.
Hope he provides an insight for a decent period of time.
Edit: watched it, whoah strong women....
I hope he is able to speak to some Arab/Palestine people in Israel and get their views too, but im not sure if they would want to talk on camera.
IMHO this type of reporting allowing everyday people living these thing's a voice though is ten times better than mainstream media.
"Ha ha Udo you are really throwing a cat amongst the pigeons throwing Avi in the mix."
1000's have died, even more have been maimed for life, more will die and be maimed, generations will end up living in misery but as long as we can stick it up the wokesters it's all good hey!?
Try and get a grip on what's important
Seriously dude..really?...why bother.
Excellent Al Jazeera docos VJ, it's amazing that they found the people they did for the interviews.
Thanks for posting.
indo-dreaming wrote:Ha ha Udo you are really throwing a cat amongst the pigeons throwing Avi in the mix.
I saw he flew over there, i havent even watched the video yet, and im sure his take on thing's will be heavily bias being a Israeli Jew who has served in the forces, but still its going to be very interesting to actually get view's from everyday Israeli people.
Hope he provides an insight for a decent period of time.
Edit: watched it, whoah strong women....
I hope he is able to speak to some Arab/Palestine people in Israel and get their views too, but im not sure if they would want to talk on camera.
IMHO this type of reporting allowing everyday people living these thing's a voice though is ten times better than mainstream media.
Look forward to his reports from Gaza.
indo-dreaming wrote:Seriously dude..really?...why bother.
I saw your edit after I posted, so it took the edge off what you originally said...a bit. Still, it's not entertainment
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Ha ha yeah well that obviously aint going to happen, even before hand my understanding is Israeli jews would probably be killed in Gaza, while in Israel Palestine people or others of any ethnicity & faith live side by side even friends but yes of course also often dispute's.
Apparently this was also once the case in Gaza before Hamas rule, one podcast i listened to was told by an Israeli women who played with Palestine kids as a child and misses those friendship's and hopes one day she can see her friend's again.
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You are tripping, you people need to stop thinking im your enemy or some BS because my views vary to yours, nobody says or think's it entertainment, i had only seen a video of Avi arriving in Israel , but i wouldn't dare post an Avi video here, me doing so would trigger everyone, hence my comment reply to Udo...nothing more thats it.
Hamas started up in 1987
“When the curtain is pulled away to reveal the violence that upholds israel’s existence, there is an understanding from the united states of the ‘necessity’ of this violence. Because israeli violence is necessary to protect israel from threats to its ‘exceptional existence’.
Just as american violence is necessary to protect the united states from threats to its exceptional existence.
How israel is covered in the US news, and popular media, serves to obscure the biggest thing that ties the united states and israel together - they’re both settler colonial states which have been built on the displacement and ethnic cleansing of other peoples.”
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Islam started in ~610AD.
That’s when this conflict began.
"BARE NAKED ISLAM – It isn't Islamophobia when they really ARE trying to kill you" https://barenakedislam.com
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Nah, I got it wrong, I just flared when I saw (thought) you had a laugh over the vid
The whole situation is fucked and the best response I've heard so far from politicians is a call for restraint to try and stop this from escalating. There's grievances on both sides but from what I see, videos like Avi's are geared to stir up discontent
By the way, I've got no issue about your opinions, some align with mine others don't, one of my best mates is an old school timber cutter here Qld and his views make you look like a lefty, so I'll be the last person to bag you about what you say
gsco wrote:Ray Dalio's take:
Another Step Toward International War
"...we should recognize that these two hot wars (the Israel-Hamas war and the Russia-Ukraine war) are not just between the parties directly involved in them—these wars are part of the bigger great power conflicts to shape the new world order..."
China, Russia, Iran, etc, smell US weakness, particularly political, economic/financial and social, and are now testing the waters.
These countries will not stop until the US's global hegemony is displaced for good; it's their sole objective.
Ray didn't mention the coups toppling France/West-friendly rulers in sub Saharan Africa. Guess who is supporting the coups?
This is a new cold war, make no mistake about it. The 'evil empire' put on new clothes, but it's motivations are the same. All over the periphery of the world-continent, the fires of wars are being started and you betcha they are proxy. On both sides, no-one has enough munitions and artillery production... yet. Australia has decimated its manufacturing capacity in the last 20 years - what are we gonna fire back? Episodes of the Block?
AndyM wrote:Excellent Al Jazeera docos VJ, it's amazing that they found the people they did for the interviews.
Thanks for posting.
Cheers Andy. I thought you might appreciate characters like Moshe Dayan. I'm beginning to suspect the 1960s were actually far more like Austin Powers than my parents have admitted to me...
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No problem, while understanding it a serious issue on the lighter side of things on how people may react.
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Jelly Flater wrote:“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.”
- Nietzschehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yGhSuILWyZI&pp=ygUNaXQncyB0aGUgdmliZQ%3D%3D
Actually I'd argue that to overcome a monster you have to become one yourself. It's what you do after overcoming the monster (back down, restore freedoms, cancel the emergency powers, historical example is Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus) that determines how much of one you are.
Maybe so vj…
There was a time when jews sacrificed their first born sons.
Sometimes the monster is within…
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Metzitzah B'peh
velocityjohnno wrote:Jelly Flater wrote:“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.”
- Nietzschehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yGhSuILWyZI&pp=ygUNaXQncyB0aGUgdmliZQ%3D%3D
Actually I'd argue that to overcome a monster you have to become one yourself. It's what you do after overcoming the monster (back down, restore freedoms, cancel the emergency powers, historical example is Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus) that determines how much of one you are.
"Ha ha Udo you are really throwing a cat amongst the pigeons throwing Avi in the mix.
I saw he flew over there..."
whatever you think of him... it's pretty gutsy goimg over there when you don't need to
I've seen vids of plane loads of 'fighting age men' apparently flying into israel just for the conflict...
dunno if they are called up or volunteering... but geez, it's certainly a different look, thinking, and attitude to the decades of bailing fighting age men vids we have seen...
and russsia / ukraine too!
whatever the 'truth'
I have to agree with many twitter commentators, that it is just bizarre the world has had this intense debate whether hamas beheaded 40 babies... or just murdered them...
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/abc-journalist-tom-joyner...
"There was a time when jews sacrificed their first born sons."
Really??
We should so cancel them, I mean, that's like totally not ok.
Have it cunts