Next Federal Election
You really got it in for spud supre lol ;)
Albo is the same though both couldn’t run a chook raffle.
Labor did such a good job with the pink batts scheme and schools upgrades, now solar, it’s only a rort if your not in on it lol ;)
bonza wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:One thing is for certain, whatever the estimate is for the costing, it will be 200%-500% + more than their estimate. History has shown that governments have no idea of costings and/or time frames.
E.g Snowy Hydro 2. Est. $2B. Actual $12B and counting.Same applies for solar and wind mate
With solar and wind you aren't in the situation where the geotech guys fuck up and your prime piece of equipment gets stuck not once but twice so your budget is somewhat safer than Snowy 2.
garyg1412 wrote:bonza wrote:fitzroy-21 wrote:One thing is for certain, whatever the estimate is for the costing, it will be 200%-500% + more than their estimate. History has shown that governments have no idea of costings and/or time frames.
E.g Snowy Hydro 2. Est. $2B. Actual $12B and counting.Same applies for solar and wind mate
With solar and wind you aren't in the situation where the geotech guys fuck up and your prime piece of equipment gets stuck not once but twice so your budget is somewhat safer than Snowy 2.
Yeah, just like every other project minor to major. Show me a project from a home Reno to a major nation infrastructure building exercise that runs on time and budget and I’ll show you an outlier.
How Putin hitched a ride on Rupert the Mule.
Oligarchs' Russian Dolls
Elena Zhukova was married to Russian Deputy PM A. Zhukov related to War Hero
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Zhukov_(businessman)
Daughter Dasha Zhukova 2008 married ( Mr A ) Roman Abramovich > Son/Daughter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich
1996 Mr A lived with Boris Yeltsin's Family as his #1 personal Envoy
Mr A recommended Putin as Yeltsin's successor & even interviewed Putin for top Job! (Thanx Mr A)
Prez Putin followed tradition & consulted Mr A for his Successor President...
Mr A : " That's easy...His name is "Medvedev" Prez 2008-2012 (Thanx Mr A) ...No worries Prez!
Mr A is Putin's #1 Envoy / Bag Carrier / Middleman...comes & goes to Putin's Pad as he pleases...
(Da Oligarch Family > boss Russian-Ukraine Banking > $100m Israel+ All Deals etc)
June 2013 Murdoch divorces Chinese Spy Wendi Deng.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/rupert-murdochs-ex-wife-w...
2014-2016 Mr A gifts $50m Super Yacht for Putin to date & impress Murdoch's Ex Wendi Deng
https://www.tatler.com/gallery/the-truth-about-wendi-deng-vladimir-putin
2018/19 Dasha divorces Mr A & marries Greek Tycoon SNF...
SNF : World's leading Foundation > Laundering over 5,000 grants worth $Billions thru 132 nations.
April 2022 English Banks turned their backs on Poisonous Murdoch after Tabloid Gate.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/04/01/murdoch-borrows-us100m-state-owned-...
Murdoch begged the Chinese to save his arse.
Bank of China loaned Newscorp $150.58m > more than Oz banks & 2nd only to Bank of US $168.2m
Still not enough...Rupert needs a Russian Bride & fast!
Aug 2023 Putin's Chinese Spy Deng hooks up Ex Rupert with Mr A's Mother in law Elena.
https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/rupert-murdoch-in-new-...
Shotgun Wedding : So weird reading Murdoch's Name in Wiki's Oligarch Rogue Step Father's Gallery.
Mostly coz Rupert swore to never go near the Russian Mobsters!
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-rupert-murdochs-new-russ...
Xi Jinping : "Wendi says yer falling behind on my Boss's 2950% Interest payments Rupert!"
Putin : "Wendi...could you order our Russian Doll to stick a few more pins in Rupert The Bear."
Rupert : "Please Mr Gang Bang Bro! ...I'll launder wotever sanctioned Contraband ya like!"
Mr A : Brings his A Game...Luv uniting East & West families during these sanctioned Cold Wars.
Murdoch sold out to US now a Chinese Loan Shark Slave runnin' errands for his Russian Bridal Party!
Putin : "Luvin' the Free World Honeymoon Tour inside Rupert's Booger Bag ...Wish yer were here!"
CCTV now bumbles it's way thru Airports to Showcase Oz Parliament House...nice one Rupert!
China / Russia makin' a killin' on Right Wing uprising...Luv these funny Guyz...they're willing to fight for us!
The more angry the west gets the More money flows to China / Russia...Money for Jam!
A plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a fox!!
https://m.
&t=11s
Gina’s checklist for building a better Australia. 
Putin pulls the string on his Russian Doll to rig UK Election Victory
Farage : "Peace broker China are War Heroes" (Polls Skyrocket!)
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/paul-murray/china-could-play-a-heroic...
Sky News : [ Farage overtakes Tories in UK Poll ]
Reform Candidate : UK should have worked with Hitler instead of picking on Nazis
Farage : Hitler and Putin are very good at what they do.
(Polls Skyrocket!)
https://au.news.yahoo.com/reform-candidate-says-uk-taken-144125175.html
https://www.thenational.scot/news/national/24387303.nigel-farage-offers-...
Farage : "I blame them Evil cowardly NATO Invaders for bullying Poor Putin!"
(Polls Skyrocket)
Newly elected UK PM Putin denies Mr A's Stepdad rigged his fully sanctioned UK Landslide Election Victory
Murdoch : "UK banks Shoulda / Coulda just loaned me the $200m for the Wedding...Too Bad so Sad!"
Spud the Dicktator ………… Peter Dutton has vowed a Coalition government would override the states’ legislated ban on nuclear power, telling party officials on Saturday that state premiers “won’t stop us”. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/22/peter-dut...
Supafreak wrote:Spud the Dicktator ………… Peter Dutton has vowed a Coalition government would override the states’ legislated ban on nuclear power, telling party officials on Saturday that state premiers “won’t stop us”. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/22/peter-dut...
The party of free market going Commie ..
Couldn't make this shit up! Haha
bonza wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/19/climate/nuclear-energy-bill/index.htm...
Interesting read.
"The Senate just passed a critical clean energy bill to pave the way for more nuclear
CNN
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Democrats and Republicans in a bitterly divided Congress can agree on one thing: the US needs more nuclear to power America’s rapidly growing energy appetite — and fast.
The Senate overwhelmingly approved a major bill Tuesday night to make it easier, cheaper and faster to permit and build new nuclear reactors. The ADVANCE Act, which passed with just two senators voting no, now heads to Biden’s desk for signing, which he is expected to do.
The bill represents one of the most significant actions Congress has taken to advance clean energy since Democrats narrowly passed the Inflation Reduction Act almost two years ago. And it comes as the US tries to revive an aging nuclear energy industry at home and bolster cutting-edge technologies abroad."
So do you think Australia should follow the USA because they always get it right ?
Supafreak wrote:So do you think Australia should follow the USA because they always get it right ?
Its interesting because the USA are obviously doing it because it makes sense and politically reading that they even seem to be in agreement.
I think the real problem is for years now we have been told that solar & wind with batteries and pumped hydro is the complete answer, but if you go educate yourself you will find that this is very unlikely.
The issue is the old cliche of when the wind doesnt blow and sun doesnt shine.
So you need a decent amount of something else to support the above or a mix of below.
For some countries with high rain or snow falls, its hydro but we dont have enough water for this so we are limited in this area.
The other option is nuclear, we never went down this route like other countries because we had so much coal available and easily accessible.
Then possibly green hydrogen, but there seems to be little talk or information on this being the answer?
If you dont go with any of the above you are stuck with gas peaking plants that wont get you to 100% carbon free or you are winging it hoping there is some big tech breakout in the future which is very risky.
The sensible approach would be to diversify things as much as possible and not put all the eggs in one basket like we currently are.
Build up as much solar and wind as possible with batteries and pumped hydro, but also have some hydro and nuclear in the mix and yes also green hydrogen.
LNP energy minister on insiders this morning not really convincing
pathetic be a better word...
couldn't even give a ball park figure how much nuclear could potentially make up in the mix
cards to chest stuff more than doesn't know - they MUST have an idea...
seen some people say the potential for those sites about 10%
personally, if that's all we're gonna get...
what's the fucking point?
piss in the ocean
an expensive piss in the ocean that will not reduce the cost of anything
ANYTHING at all!
will only increase costs at this point in the game
whole thing is looking a joke
but labor is so clueless and aloof, it may just work...
(which would be a disaster all round)
wise up labor, your dismissive clueless talking points are already tired...
I will be the first to admit that I need educating when it comes to nuclear , it would seem so would many “ experts “ in Australia . Reality is it ain’t gonna appen . We well could become a dumping ground for nuclear waste though . We’re truly that dumb .
google green hydrogen indo
twiggys already got big arse trucks that can run on it
but...
(you'll love what you find)
didn't have to be this way...
labor labor labor...
sypkan wrote:LNP energy minister on insiders this morning not really convincing
pathetic be a better word...
couldn't even give a ball park figure how much nuclear could potentially make up in the mix
cards to chest stuff more than doesn't know - they MUST have an idea...
seen some people say the potential for those sites about 10%
personally, if that's all we're gonna get...
what's the fucking point?
piss in the ocean
an expensive piss in the ocean that will not reduce the cost of anything
ANYTHING at all!
will only increase costs at this point in the game
whole thing is looking a joke
but labor is so clueless and aloof, it may just work...
(which would be a disaster all round)
wise up labor, your dismissive clueless talking points are already tired...
Ted O'Brien is a clown.
Even with Speers soft interview style he managed to look like an fool.
Really it seems that the LNP will put the interests of a couple of big multi national corporations over Australia's national interest.
Say what you like about Labor, at least they appear to put Australia first....
The whole thing is a farce ....
Supafreak wrote:I will be the first to admit that I need educating when it comes to nuclear , it would seem so would many “ experts “ in Australia . Reality is it ain’t gonna appen . We well could become a dumping ground for nuclear waste though . We’re truly that dumb .
reality is supa, this is a given...
certain forces in oz been pushing this for decades, ...the potential... as an 'industry' in itself...
all this, even without nuclear power as a local entity
I would say aukus sealed that 'potential', ...even before dutton's dance into the nuclear field of dreams...
we just haven't heard about it
@indo , are you heading to the telos ? How long are you up there for ? Swell looks a bit average until early July, hope ya score .
Australia has been planning (struggling) with building long term storage for “intermediate-level waste” for some time. Recent Repatriation of our historical spent fuel rods dating back to the 60s has occurred and will likely continue.
So there’s that.
that's right bonza
we can't even do that...
happy to take responsibility for our waste
not sure taking the world's waste is a smart move
once you open that door...
It is indeed strange times when the coalition is talking nationalisation while the guardianinsta’s who preach the' failure of economics that values profits at the expense of and destruction of nature, are suddenly RE fiscal conservatives.
fwiw, I think we should consider nuclear power
but the way the libs are going about it... ain't the way to do it...
basically under duress
which labor basically brought upon ourselves
labor's either / or approach to the debate is dumb
as is their pigheeadedness to reassessing their renewables approach
when new information comes to light... you reassess...
the new information is, price, community resistance, and a changing world, not to mention interest rates...
yes these are long term goals
but it seems labor haven't really though a lot of this through
libs clearly even less so, despite over a decade of hot wind and hysterics
it really is confronting how ill prepared they are
I'll post this again for anyone that missed it
https://m.
because the partisan nuttery... is just way too nutty...
sypkan wrote:fwiw, I think we should consider nuclear power
but the way the libs are going about it... ain't the way to do it...
basically under duress
which labor basically brought upon ourselves
labor's either / or approach to the debate is dumb
as is their pigheeadedness to reassessing their renewables approach
when new information comes to light... you reassess...
the new information is, price, community resistance, and a changing world, not to mention interest rates...
yes these are long term goals
but it seems labor haven't really though a lot of this through
libs clearly even less, despite over a decade of hot wind and hysterics
it really is confronting how ill prepared they are
I'll post this again for anyone that missed it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UtVD0q2zPxI
because the partisan nuttery... is just way too nutty...
It is not about nuclear power, but slowing down and sabotaging the renewables roll out.
The LNP were in power for a decade and made a huge mess of our energy market, it's not going to be fixed in a couple of years.
It's the biggest of dead cats and really should have been laughed at and ignored right from the start but the msm are giving it, therefore Dutton and the LNP some legitimacy heading into the next election.
When you have Innes Willox from AI and AGL stating it's a non starter and damaging for investment and brings in uncertainty again into the energy market, you should be able to realise it's a dud.
Worst than that, it again could set Australia back.
If battlers out there think it's going to relieve their energy bills in the near to mid term, they deserve what they will get which will be higher again energy prices.
What a joke.... But it's not funny...
US also agreed to build their most recent Nuclear Plant in Georgia.
Start 2009 costed at $14b > opens 2024 costing $45b...let's all follow our psycho Aukus retards!
7x $45b...ya say = Still half the price of UK [L] $92.6b Nuke Plant that whole world wanna blow up!
Even at lowest Aukus price $315b & then Vote to exempt sanctions for Putin to fuel them before they blow up.
Whole World Nuke plants would blow up if Putin decided to halt supply of enriched uranium!
That's 2024 prices > cost 2x Aukus spend by 2050 & still be Putin's puppets!...fucking master stroke!
Now say we go the new reactors to enrich our own Uranium on site...each a Fuckin' Nuke Bomb Site!
Slightly more Kaboom if that new mini Ultra grade Weaponized Uranium shit Blows!
Need a fuckin' missle defence system just to draw up the Plans...
Let's just vote to do what these Nuke mad US Mormons mandate...Just KILL KILL KILL!
Recall [L] right up to recent announcement [L] Experts designated Bribie Island as Nuke Plant.
Now Native Title rights & in 2 Islands soon likely 4 Islands...{SEQ Kaboom!}
As said whole #1 Oz Political HQ -Pop centre / Olympic Site / Central East Coast trade...wiped for ever.
All oz gotta go over the great divide coz [L] gotta taste for Hot Dogs...Again...Let's all vote for Mass Killers!
So the LNP push nuclear energy to con us that it will be cheaper electricity in the long run , does anyone actually believe this ? The tax payers will be footing the bill to build these plants so will there be some type of new tax to pay for construction ? #bettereconicmanagers , remember the gold medal of deals that little johnny gave us . https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/how-australia-blew-its-future-gas-supplie... "Needless to say, I am absolutely delighted. It is so good for Australia," he said. "This is the kind of outcome that will underpin the economic strength of this country." It was, he said, growing more expansive and breathless by the minute, "a gold medal performance".
Dogs breakfast....
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/23/nuclear-c...
I’d say this guy is an expert in the energy sector. Interesting read
https://apple.news/APFbBzo8BTyue9-IIFSbWsw
^^^ paywalled
Ah damn. I thought through Applenews you could see it. Must have to have the Apple News app
#bettereconomicmanagers. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/23/peter-dut...
seeds wrote:Ah damn. I thought through Applenews you could see it. Must have to have the Apple News app
Ok got it , cheers
seeds wrote:I’d say this guy is an expert in the energy sector. Interesting read
https://apple.news/APFbBzo8BTyue9-IIFSbWsw
Interesting read especially in regard to offshore wind, which if you go have a look in main swellnet article i dont have an issue with but seems many do both surfers and just community. (Will have to fo read how cyclines sffect them)
but it still doesnt answer the energy shortfall and long term energy security issue's.
I just never see the questions really answered and when they are talked abour by experts they say gas but thats not a soloution.
BTW. The whole build time from planning to get go doesnt allign with neutral websites on the average that say 11 to 12 year's everything included. Construction average 7 years.
Supafreak wrote:@indo , are you heading to the telos ? How long are you up there for ? Swell looks a bit average until early July, hope ya score .
Yeah for over a month, i dont mind first week smaller to warm up or surf a few different spots along as swell kick in after that.
bonza wrote:
Another great article, there is so much conflicting view points on all these aspects, but it does my head in how in the short term so called experts were advising Labor our energy bills were going down.
No matter what in the next 10 to 20 years they are only going up it doesnt matter how this energy problem is solved the soloutions all cost big money and even if one day the energy providers start making more money they arent going to pass on the savings, we wil juat reach a period where you energy bill increase will slow down.
indo-dreaming][quote=Supafreak wrote:@indo , are you heading to the telos ? How long are you up there for ? Swell looks a bit average until early July, hope ya score .[/quote
Yeah for over a month, i dont mind first week smaller to warm up or surf a few different spots along as swell kick in after that.
how’s the internet @info? asking for a friend
indo-dreaming wrote:bonza wrote:Another great article, there is so much conflicting view points on all these aspects, but it does my head in how in the short term so called experts were advising Labor our energy bills were going down.
No matter what in the next 10 to 20 years they are only going up it doesn't matter how this energy problem is solved the solutions all cost big money and even if one day the energy providers start making more money they arent going to pass on the savings, we wil juat reach a period where you energy bill increase will slow down.
My guess is that battery technology will improve in leaps and bounds. Households will have solar and battery and become self reliant not using grid at all. Or have s local area main central battery. In emergency have a Genset back up. Govt better off subsidising this set up rather than giving money to corporations. Gas, LNP happy to go full commie with nuclear, let's get an Australian owned gas company up and running for cheap domestic energy that cannot be sold off overseas and start taxing the fossil fuel companies ripping Australia off now.
Big industry will require a grid that can be 100% renewable.
Battery’s will never help the average Joe much, $15-20k now for one that will power your house for a few hours, even if/when drop gonna need a lot bigger or more than 1 to make a difference.
If you have a $100k to drop on solar plus batteries sure.
ashsam wrote:Battery’s will never help the average Joe much, $15-20k now for one that will power your house for a few hours, even if/when drop gonna need a lot bigger or more than 1 to make a difference.
If you have a $100k to drop on solar plus batteries sure.
Now....
Economies of scale and new developments with technology...
I'm typing this on a device that 20 years ago would have been science fiction and cost me less than $300.
andy-mac wrote:ashsam wrote:Battery’s will never help the average Joe much, $15-20k now for one that will power your house for a few hours, even if/when drop gonna need a lot bigger or more than 1 to make a difference.
If you have a $100k to drop on solar plus batteries sure.Now....
Economies of scale and new developments with technology...
I'm typing this on a device that 20 years ago would have been science fiction and cost me less than $300.
My device is new and worth $2.5k things don’t always go down.
“Giving money to the corporations.” Hey Gina..
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:bonza wrote:Another great article, there is so much conflicting view points on all these aspects, but it does my head in how in the short term so called experts were advising Labor our energy bills were going down.
No matter what in the next 10 to 20 years they are only going up it doesn't matter how this energy problem is solved the solutions all cost big money and even if one day the energy providers start making more money they arent going to pass on the savings, we wil juat reach a period where you energy bill increase will slow down.
My guess is that battery technology will improve in leaps and bounds. Households will have solar and battery and become self reliant not using grid at all. Or have s local area main central battery. In emergency have a Genset back up. Govt better off subsidising this set up rather than giving money to corporations. Gas, LNP happy to go full commie with nuclear, let's get an Australian owned gas company up and running for cheap domestic energy that cannot be sold off overseas and start taxing the fossil fuel companies ripping Australia off now.
Big industry will require a grid that can be 100% renewable.
Batteries are only part of the solution they are an answer to short term energy storage same with pumped hydro.
But once that energy is drained you need to recharge, if you have a situation where you have little recharging abilty for some reason thats it you dont have energy.
There is also rare times like super hot days where you get huge spikes in energy demand.
And you need not just hour's or days but weeks of energy back up for security, batteries will never be viable for this, hence you need an additional safety net, for now that is gas, but it could include nuclear and green hydrogen.
Currently there is close to zero battery storage world wide and then think about all the batteries also needed for cars, apparently there is enough lithium but its not all easily accessible and will need huge amounts very fast same with cobalt lets not even talk about the mining practices around these minerals.
Winging it hoping the tech will improve greatly on batteries is irresponsible, in the same way it would be to keep.using coal beiliving carbon capture tech will happen, you need a diverse mix of energy security solutions to hedge bets instead of putting all the eggs in one basket.
bonza wrote:“Giving money to the corporations.” Hey Gina..
It’s bizarre that labor would give a loan/grant of close to 1 billion AUD to a company that is partly owned by someone worth over 30 billion USD . She may only have 10% share but if it’s such a good thing why can’t she back it herself ?
Supafreak wrote:bonza wrote:“Giving money to the corporations.” Hey Gina..
It’s bizarre that labor would give a loan/grant of close to 1 billion AUD to a company that is partly owned by someone worth over 30 billion USD . She may only have 10% share but if it’s such a good thing why can’t she back it herself ?
Yep weird...
GuySmiley][quote=indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:@indo , are you heading to the telos ? How long are you up there for ? Swell looks a bit average until early July, hope ya score .[/quote
Yeah for over a month, i dont mind first week smaller to warm up or surf a few different spots along as swell kick in after that.
how’s the internet @info? asking for a friend
New tower and 4G now, and i have plenty of down time, so you should see me here plenty over the next month.
Oh and i brought two decent fold out solar pannels and plenty of back up batteries to recharge my phone.
Weird. Bizarre…, or just SOP?
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...