Next Federal Election
old-dog wrote:It took 200 years for our population to reach 12 million, and then 50 years for it to more than double to 25 million.
That's how compound growth works. Apart from a post-war uptick it's been pretty steady.
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^^ fishing pisstake or do you really believe that @sipp?
^
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Funny cause its becoming true
Here's a check list to know if you are far right, tick five or more and you are far right.
1. Your wife has a baby and you see it has a penis and believe it's a boy.
2. You have a wife.
3. You have or want a child.
4. You dont hate your country.
4. You don't believe in open borders.
6. Your straight and not ashamed of being so.
7. You are colourblind or at least try to be.
8. You believe violent protest are not okay, even if it's a cause you support.
9. You think woke doesn't mean socially aware.
10. You dont believe Islam is the religion of peace.
11. You believe communism isn't a good thing, and not just because it hasn't been tried properly.
12. You know where Jews originated from and know what Jewish diaspora is
13. You dont believe Covid came from a wet market in Wuhan
14. You didn't leave twitter when Elon bought it
15. You think Biden is showing serious signs of ageing.
Remigration is a word getting coverage of late.
Will probably become more prevalent going forward.
People forced back to their original countries if not assimilating could become a thing apparently. Citizenship removed if not contributing to the country.
Interesting times.
Bedwetters will be changing their sheets multiple times a night.
Where’d you see that?
GuySmiley wrote:^^ fishing pisstake or do you really believe that @sipp?
it's clearly a pisstake
but it's only humorous because it's almost true, the media has gone beyond nutty with this 'far right' misnomer nuttery...
in the case of you... and your ridiculous parroting posts... it's 100% true...
Tax.
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&pp=ygUZZnJpZW5kbHlqb3JkaWVzIGF1c3RyYWxpYQ%3D%3D sypkan wrote:GuySmiley wrote:^^ fishing pisstake or do you really believe that @sipp?
it's clearly a pisstake
but it's only humorous because it's almost true, the media has gone beyond nutty with this 'far right' misnomer nuttery...
in the case of you... and your ridiculous parroting posts... it's 100% true...
" ..... but it's only humorous because it's almost true, the media has gone beyond nutty with this 'far right' misnomer nuttery...". yet politically, where the rubber hits the road, the world has moved to the right over the last few decades wouldn't you say? .... which contradicts the puerile X post (original now changed BTW) .... certainly your often criticism of the left suggests so.
we'd need to define 'left' and 'right' first...
a couple of years ago... if one dared questioned george soros... one was instantly labelled... 'antisemitic'
now those very same people are literally chanting... 'from the river to the sea'
just a decade or two ago... the left were anti- censorship, and very liberal in their social outlook... ie. live and let live...
now, they are hyper-censorship and trying to control how everyone even thinks...
a decade or so ago, the left were clearly the anti war side of politics, often had a soft spot for russia, and railed against the MIC...
do I really need to explain their current position?
3 decades ago the left cared about workers, unions embraced the supposed evils of 'protectionism', and they encouraged local manufacturing...
now - or more correctly in recent times - the 'cosmopolitan' left, sees all this as backward nationalism rooted in racism... and actively supports open borders that drive down the wages of real workers... and, are/were happy to watch manufacturing move offshore...
just a few years ago... it seemed the left were not pro big pharma...
now... they are still hysterically defending faucci and vaccines... STILL!!
...hysterically so!!
yes the world may have largely drifted right economically - neoliberalism - but these same 'leftists' are now the woke corporate mob...
I see people daily criticising; ...the abc... 'isn't left'; ...australia... 'isn't left', ...pretty much anything... 'isn't left anymore...'
yet they seem terribly reluctant to declare themselves as socialist... or communist... whatever...
and they basically disappear into a puff of smoke if one even raises the question of 'communist china' as possibly being this mysterious 'left'? ...and if that is what they desire...
gsco advocated free education, health care, targeted help for the poor, programs for inequality etc etc....
yet the woke mob on here wrote him off as a RWNJ...
what the fuck does left versus right even mean anymore?
that bell curve graph was in response to the media's reaction to 'far right' parties being voted into the EU government...
seems it was spot on
as a side note...
did you watch 'wind wars' on four corners?
the ACF and former greens candidate campaigning against wind farms...
are they now 'far right'?
albo's 'energy transition'...
...that seems oblivious to the wide scale environmental damage it is doing to facilitate the new big business model of 'renewable energy' corporations that will mean big business maintains control of energy pricing...
I think it is the biggest lost opportunity ever to restore some balance to energy 'markets'
just imagine if they pumped all that money into roof top solar and battery subsidies for families so people could actually afford to power their homes...
make AW's 'microsystem' the norm for every home
'the people' would have been all over it
'the right' would have had no argument at all...
and, murdoch would have been made impotent and powerless with any counter argument in the process...
not to mention unravelling decades of neoliberalism monopoly that has developed...
does criticising albo's hapless and hopeless alternative make one right wing?
I'll wear it
sypkan wrote:as a side note...
did you watch 'wind wars' on four corners?
the ACF and former greens candidate campaigning against wind farms...
are they now 'far right'?
albo's 'energy transition'...
...that seems oblivious to the wide scale environmental damage it is doing to facilitate the new big business model of 'renewable energy' corporations that will mean big business maintains control of energy pricing...
I think it is the biggest lost opportunity ever to restore some balance to energy 'markets'
just imagine if they pumped all that money into roof top solar and battery subsidies for families so people could actually afford to power their homes...
make AW's 'microsystem' the norm for every home
'the people' would have been all over it
'the right' would have had no argument at all...
and, murdoch would have been made impotent and powerless with any counter argument in the process...
not to mention unravelling decades of neoliberalism monopoly that has developed...
does criticising albo's hapless and hopeless alternative make one right wing?
I'll wear it
Sypkan. Hi mate. Hope you’re doing well.
I like the cut of your jib on this topic. So truer words fella.
You’re are right on the money.
Provide all home owners with a grant to set up or pay others to set up micro scale energy systems that are commensurate with each households energy needs.
It’s very basic and simple to implement.
We should always be asking ourselves in the first place, why do we need so much energy per household?
Look around the average house, we have so many appliances plugged into outlets. Why ? Do we need them all or simply want them all.
First thing, do an energy audit of your existing energy consumption and set up an analogous micro system .
In Germany approximately ten years ago, the Federal Government fixed energy fees for a two decade period. No increase.
They provide interest free loans to set up any system and then the Government guarantees to buy as much energy as you can generate.
There couldn’t be more of a greater incentive to do so.
For way too long in Oz, energy providers have held a firm grip on energy production and provision. It’s all in the hands of a small (rich) few, gotta get smart, move on and change this monopolistic behaviour. AW
such a lost opportunity...
it's truly tragic
every house could have been covered in solar panels , creating enough power to run industry by day... (even on a cloudy day!) ...and power the houses by battery at night...
all this rolling out of poles, wires, and transmission stations, is such a waste of money, resources, ...and habitat...
that ONLY empowers big power companies
again...
we could have revolutionised power production in this country
we could have revolutionised this country...
by taking the power back!
from the corporations
(take puns as you will...)
the 'climate wars' would be over
game, set, and match
instead we have just opened a new chapter, as the ACF chick said... the climate wars are now just the renewables wars...
another 30 years of political division
this time cutting across the political spectrum!
and worse... they've just given peter dutton something to talk about!
nuclear...
fuck me!
massive own goal
all because labor are now owned!
(in more ways than one)
Loving your work Syp. I like how you summarise so succinctly.
^^ on energy: I agree much like India leapt over the need for poles and wires with mobile phone use (and could still do with local solar) we and other countries could have used the transfer to renewables as a means of localising power generation and use. But we didn’t have that mature national conversation did we, fuck we’re still arguing about the cause of climate heating and the need to reduce emissions, well certain sections of the right are. Think co-generation of power use; locally produced and used even!
^^ left and right tribalism: l see this as a loss of bipartisanship and the use of division and negative arguments/ing for crass political advantage. The old divide and conquer routine. Sure both sides do it but the right (if I’m permitted to use the term) have used this tactic for decades IMO. We need more bipartisanship
AlfredWallace wrote:sypkan wrote:as a side note...
did you watch 'wind wars' on four corners?
the ACF and former greens candidate campaigning against wind farms...
are they now 'far right'?
albo's 'energy transition'...
...that seems oblivious to the wide scale environmental damage it is doing to facilitate the new big business model of 'renewable energy' corporations that will mean big business maintains control of energy pricing...
I think it is the biggest lost opportunity ever to restore some balance to energy 'markets'
just imagine if they pumped all that money into roof top solar and battery subsidies for families so people could actually afford to power their homes...
make AW's 'microsystem' the norm for every home
'the people' would have been all over it
'the right' would have had no argument at all...
and, murdoch would have been made impotent and powerless with any counter argument in the process...
not to mention unravelling decades of neoliberalism monopoly that has developed...
does criticising albo's hapless and hopeless alternative make one right wing?
I'll wear it
Sypkan. Hi mate. Hope you’re doing well.
I like the cut of your jib on this topic. So truer words fella.
You’re are right on the money.
Provide all home owners with a grant to set up or pay others to set up micro scale energy systems that are commensurate with each households energy needs.
It’s very basic and simple to implement.We should always be asking ourselves in the first place, why do we need so much energy per household?
Look around the average house, we have so many appliances plugged into outlets. Why ? Do we need them all or simply want them all.
First thing, do an energy audit of your existing energy consumption and set up an analogous micro system .
In Germany approximately ten years ago, the Federal Government fixed energy fees for a two decade period. No increase.
They provide interest free loans to set up any system and then the Government guarantees to buy as much energy as you can generate.
There couldn’t be more of a greater incentive to do so.
For way too long in Oz, energy providers have held a firm grip on energy production and provision. It’s all in the hands of a small (rich) few, gotta get smart, move on and change this monopolistic behaviour. AW
To be fair Australia is actually the word leader in house hold roof top solar and has one of the fastest renewable up take rates in the world..
Just one example from Dec 2023 to back this statement up but there are countless articles mentioning this
"Per capita, Australia is currently the global leader in rooftop solar installations with about one in three homes generating their own power. In 2022, rooftop solar contributed a staggering 26% of total renewable electricity generation in Australia with the total installed capacity currently almost double that of grid-scale solar across the NEM (16.3GW vs 8.7GW). This astonishing growth in rooftop solar started well over a decade ago through very generous (and arguably uncoordinated) federal and state government policies and rebate schemes which assisted many households overcome the upfront installation cost hurdle. As technology breakthroughs led to downward pressures on the cost of solar panels, many Australian households saw this technology as a great hedge against rising power prices through the years."
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/12/06/the-extraordinary-story-of-roofto...
Really the government mostly states but also federal have been a big driver of this with all types of incentives, those incentives for panels are now are winding down though as the snow ball is rolling down hill.
And there has even been schemes to encourage battery uptake
https://www.lghomebattery.com.au/post/2021-australian-government-home-ba...
Rising energy prices are also a driver so are the positive flip side of high energy prices, if you froze energy prices it could risk slowing down take up
You will always need poles and wires to share energy and many peoples living circumstances mean they cant have a solar system high rises etc or business that has high energy needs, ive even met people who have been told by solar companies that their house doesn't get enough sun to get panel's because of geography and shaded by big gums etc that they probably aren't even allowed to cut down, honestly i was surprised on this
BTW. total agree on energy use, does my head in how some people waste energy, we always try to use the least amount of energy as possible and designed my house to not need any lights on during the day and gone over the top on insulation etc
In winter we only use heaters when needed at night or early morning and only use A/C on rare crazy hot days for a few hours but most days just prepare for hot days closing blinds etc and then latter open things up to get a breeze.
Thanks to little Johnny Howard I paid about 3k for a small solar system in 2009. Thanks to the generous FIT of 60c p/kw and a 25 year contract I haven't paid for electricity since. With rising power prices my credit now only gets up to about $300 in summer but after using the heater all winter goes down to about $30. I think K Rudd put an end to this scheme in 2010 and now punters are lucky to get much FIT at all. Now that Labor is going to tax you for sunlight I'm not sure if it will affect me, but anyway my ROI was about 2 1/2 years, and it has paid for itself 50 times over and is the best investment I've ever made. Cheers.
Nice and fk that tax thing is crazy?
A long time deceased now, Australia’s own Sir Marcus Oliphant once deduced ,
‘ if you covered an area the size of South Australia with solar panels and parabolic sun trackers, you could power the whole globes energy needs’.
Way ahead of his time. Did anyone listen, nup !!!!.AW
Solar is only worth it now if you are using it up during the day.
Battery’s are too expensive for now, and only hold enough charge for a few hours of night time use.
If no one is home 9-5 wouldn’t bother.
Old dog, good deal. We have a 7 year old 5.4kw system our last 3 month summer bill was $700 :( big house though 40 squares, pool, office, ducted air going for 9 hours a day a lot, was a hot summer.
On a sunny day our panels get sun till it sets too, no shading.
AlfredWallace wrote:A long time deceased now, Australia’s own Sir Marcus Oliphant once deduced ,
‘ if you covered an area the size of South Australia with solar panels and parabolic sun trackers, you could power the whole globes energy needs’.
Way ahead of his time. Did anyone listen, nup !!!!.AW
Also deceased and ignored - James Lovelock on the necessity of nuclear energy.
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bonza wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:A long time deceased now, Australia’s own Sir Marcus Oliphant once deduced ,
‘ if you covered an area the size of South Australia with solar panels and parabolic sun trackers, you could power the whole globes energy needs’.
Way ahead of his time. Did anyone listen, nup !!!!.AWAlso deceased and ignored - James Lovelock on the necessity of nuclear energy.
One worth listening to, the other not so much? Nuclear ain’t our future.
The real problem Australia has is not a short fall in renewable energy as such there is days even now where there can be times where we get very high percentage's of renewable energy Australia wide put in particular in certain states outside of Tasmania
For example last year South Oz hit over 100% renewable energy due to roof top solar https://reneweconomy.com.au/rooftop-solar-meets-all-of-south-australia-d...
The real problem is the cliche of when the sun doesn't shine and wind doesn't blow.
That is a challenge and problem much much harder to solve, and you needs days to weeks of storage security, and you dont make money from storage like you do from solar and wind that is basically free energy.
Thats why labor have completely hanged their tune on gas and now are in power its no different to LNP because currently gas is the only realistic solution.
Yeah sure batteries and pumped hydro can play a part but its unlikely to ever be viable(or maybe 50 years time?) to have days to weeks of batteries storage/security needed they are more short term storage options.
Other than gas a small amount of Nuclear would be the most sensible way to solve this problem, but it should have happened a decade ago, but lets be real its not going to happen now because, Australians have basically been brainwashed into thinking nuclear is dangerous and bad.
I have no idea why LNP are even suggesting it, even if its a senesible solution IMHO its political suicide to even suggest it
In regard to the cost, nobody is suggesting we run 100% on nuclear it would only be a safety net so the cost would be absorbed and balanced out.
indo-dreaming wrote:The real problem Australia has is not a short fall in renewable energy as such there is days even now where there can be times where we get very high percentage's of renewable energy Australia wide put in particular in certain states outside of Tasmania
For example last year South Oz hit over 100% renewable energy due to roof top solar https://reneweconomy.com.au/rooftop-solar-meets-all-of-south-australia-d...
The real problem is the cliche of when the sun doesn't shine and wind doesn't blow.
That is a challenge and problem much much harder to solve, and you needs days to weeks of storage security, and you dont make money from storage like you do from solar and wind that is basically free energy.
Thats why labor have completely hanged their tune on gas and now are in power its no different to LNP because currently gas is the only realistic solution.
Yeah sure batteries and pumped hydro can play a part but its unlikely to ever be viable(or maybe 50 years time?) to have days to weeks of batteries storage/security needed they are more short term storage options.
Other than gas a small amount of Nuclear would be the most sensible way to solve this problem, but it should have happened a decade ago, but lets be real its not going to happen now because, Australians have basically been brainwashed into thinking nuclear is dangerous and bad.
I have no idea why LNP are even suggesting it, even if its a senesible solution IMHO its political suicide to even suggest it
In regard to the cost, nobody is suggesting we run 100% on nuclear it would only be a safety net so the cost would be absorbed and balanced out.
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IndoDreaming. Hi . Hope ya well.
If you’re interested, take the time the find a copy of the Flora of Australia Vol.1 Introduction. A great piece of work.
I clearly remember the chapter relating to the sun and its affects on our continent.
Australia has one of the highest rates of ‘solar insolation’ ( not insulation) on the planet.
Due to it being one of the flattest continents and country.
There is very little solar reflection and refraction, we have very few mountain ranges and vast peaks with angular sides to reflect incoming photons.
For the better part, our landscapes are dry, barren and baked, our geology tell us that, we have the oldest geological forms on earth with only Hudson Bay in Canada almost sharing a small area with a similar geological epoch.
Our landscape has and is continuing to weather, very evident when you travel inland a short or long distance, for example, the prevalence of mesas, old ocean floors, the enormous body of water, the Tethys Sea which in todays terms flowed from Adelaide to Darwin, with a wide breadth.
Its ocean floor today bears the scars of Australia’s rates of solar insolation.
So, this whole lack of sun thing is a misnomer. Place infrastructure where the sun is and run our country on it, it’s not dreaming, it’s totally doable, you just need the right people to initiate change ( that’s all of us ) and off we’d go.
I’ve said it before, the greatest thermonuclear reactor is above our heads.
We can plonk man on the moon, so that means we can doing any task that’s required for society.
Enjoy your day.AW
Trouble is we already have more solar power during the day than the system can handle, and with present tech. we would need thousands of acres of batteries to save it for nighttime use, especially when there is no wind. We still need reliable base power from somewhere, for the foreseeable future, don't we?
old-dog wrote:Trouble is we already have more solar power during the day than the system can handle, and with present tech. we would need thousands of acres of batteries to save it for nighttime use, especially when there is no wind. We still need reliable base power from somewhere, for the foreseeable future, don't we?
Old-Dog. Hi mate.
So true, our nation’s problems is we have historically been very slow on the uptake of anything thats good for our country.
One step forward two steps backwards ( the John Howard rhythm method)
Why are we just in this renewable energy period now ?
Bob Brown mooted 40 years ago why aren’t we developing these technologies, it’s not as though the Sun just evolved yesterday.
It was the blanket use of fossil fuels and the winners and players who benefited from it, be it’s global governments or private enterprise.
We’ve got to be all in not part there of.
Reliable base power can come from renewables, just build systems to store it.
It will cost trillions upon trillions but it has to be done.
These whole arguments on these forums from folk like PopDown and a few others, which I respect but don’t agree with, intimating that gas should also be used is complete bunkum, surely it’s time to move away from polluting energy sources. Isn’t it ?
I follow the biological world closely, I’m not liking what I’m seeing and reading. AW
A lot of country people have solar with a back up generator or water turbine with the same. They are on a changeover switch in the switchboard.
A simple flick switches it from one power source to another.
Why not buy 4x200 amp hour ordinary deep cycle batteries and some big inverters like a big motorhome. Everything’s cheap now.
Have a grid to battery changeover switch installed. You can get one on a timer or remote switch inside the house if you like. It isolates one source from the other completely.
Charge your batteries during peak sun off your panels.
Switch to battery auxiliary and shut the grid power off when charged.
Seems possible to me and who would know anyway what you’re doing.
Everyone should generate their own power to use as it’s easy and can be cheap to convert and do if your already on solar.
Just a thought.
here's my take
especially after watching wind wars...
NSW and VIC are way behind in renewables, which is farkn hilarious when one considers clowns like dan andrews and the pure ideological (populist) bullshit lip service that comes from his mouth...
coupla points:
1) we are now in 'renewables wars'
...sigh... so it's all a bit on the nose for a large proportion of the population - across the political spectrum!
2) labor's 'claims' renewables are cheaper is looking like pure bullshit...
whether this is because ukraine energy price pressures...
whether this is because labor shortage demands are increasing costs...
whether it is because inflation and rising interests rates have cooked their 'energy transition cost' cooked books...
whether it's because privatised energy is a sham and the companies are cunts...
whether it's because labor are now sad pathetic corporate lapdogs and too chicken (bought) to take on the gas cartels...
none of this matters... because anyone with a power bill knows we are being shafted, so anything labor says about renewables being cheaper falls on angry deaf ears, and frankly, just confirms they are full of shit
so to point 1 and NSW, VIC, and to a lesser extent QLD... it's clear anything governments try from now on is going to meet virulent opposition - 6 or 10 years to get approval as shown in wind wars is expensive (more cost) and simply unviable...
(geez could make half a nuke in that time! ...at least half!)
higher density areas like NSW and VIC are going to meet ever increasing opposition to projects, whether this is about farmland, habitat loss, or that overvalued precious little new commodity for precious lttle wealthy (powerful) yuppy folk ... aesthetics...
the battle seems almost lost
before it began...
SA already has an abundance of solar power, ...so just let clowns like viclabor off the hook, and let them continue to steal their power and virtue signalling energy concern points from SA - as they are doing now - by continuing to build renewables in deserted (desert like) places like SA... where the environment and (people) seem more accommodating...
same goes for WA,NT etc.. plenty of land out there...
yes you are still going to need a shit load of new poles and wires...
but building them along already established corridors is much more palatable than clearing large swathes of high value bush, which is the current intention
I forget who first said it, maybe tim flannery, but outback oz could be a massive power generation facility, with a big arse extension cord running to the likes of Indonesia and singapore selling the excess power
(maybe we could use the $$$ to buy gas back from Japan at inflated prices - genius)
I believe twiggy and that other oz tech entrepreneur with the classy hypenated name I forget were already giving this a go, but it seems egos got in the way and it fell in a heap
pumped hydro is the answer to storage, microsystems and big ones, with rooftops powering an abundance of storage, but australians need to grow up about dams first...
Hi Opti, sounds good, but you would need an enormous system and lot of houses in the city only have enough roof space for a few panels that would barely charge an electric toothbrush. Not to mention the push towards high rise living as the population explodes. It seems to me like we need a huge breakthrough in the way we produce power, like hydrogen production or cold fusion etc. in order to meet the needs of the growing worlds population.
gas is smart as a transitionary and back up fuel, if done right...
fracking ain't right
and unnecessary in australia
blackers wrote:bonza wrote:AlfredWallace wrote:A long time deceased now, Australia’s own Sir Marcus Oliphant once deduced ,
‘ if you covered an area the size of South Australia with solar panels and parabolic sun trackers, you could power the whole globes energy needs’.
Way ahead of his time. Did anyone listen, nup !!!!.AWAlso deceased and ignored - James Lovelock on the necessity of nuclear energy.
One worth listening to, the other not so much? Nuclear ain’t our future.
It is and will be. But in the meantime we can expect more of this.
https://m.
Inconvenient truth
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-truth-about-australia-s-r...
cannot read the article
pay walled... you clearly paying p costello for articles, despite all your whinging...
anyway, no matter what the transition cost is for government, and whether it's cheaper than nuclear...
doesn't beat 'the pub test' when we're experiencing the highest energy increases in history at the same time this transition is rolling out
perception is everything
and that's where labor is losing the war...
they can spruik academic battles all they want
convincing the people is the hard part..
fwiw, I couldn't give a shit about higher energy prices, barely affected me, like AW, I think consumption is half of the problem...
and our constantly air conditioned lives, with 3 big screen TV's, in energy inefficient McMansions with barely anyone in them needs a big hard look...
but that ain't the argument
most certainly ain't an argument labor, or even the pathetic greens, seem to want to take on...
so the perimeters of discussion are ever increasing energy bills whilst we undertake this transition to supposedly cheaper renewables
that's where your rubber hits the road...
On my trip in Bhutan , my travelling group thought Pop Down a Madman , while Locals thought me Devine .
The consensus was , I did show Devine Madman tendencies , even before visiting HIS Monastery , hence the new name .
Been Popping Up 2 much and didn't like being a Pop No2 , so cancelled Pop and Popped back Up , as a fn Madman .
I told a Local , AW , that Mother Earth Loves us Humans !
We are her favourite Animal .
She Nurtures us .
That as a Species , we weren't doing That Well , until We discovered Oil .
Said that Mother Earth didn't like us using Whale Oil , so she Pushed Up some Oil and got our Population , Really growing .
All the Ingredients Humans CAN use , to Develop OUR Species , Oil , Gas , Wood , Steel etc etc ARE available and NO other species needs this STUFF !
Like the Bhutanese , us Humans LOVE Nature and , mostly , try to protect her ( no other Species THINKS like this :) !
When our species dies , this stuff is replaced with other stuff , eventually .
Told my friend in Bhutan , don't worry about CO2 too much , as it's not That high and just continue to Deal with the Glacial Lakes and potential flooding if , it happens , which they are doing with Indian help .
Nuclear Fusion will replace Hydrocarbons soon , they use Hydro .
Also saw Bangkok .
Oh My Stars , a bloody Powerful Mega City of 10 million plus , goes Off .
Bloody Aircon capital of the World , probably , and I love Buddhists .
Food is too spicy .
AW , thinking U are very Buddhisty , like the Bhutanese .
The Cows and Horses play Chicken with Trucks and Cars there !
They don't have any Fly Spay or Swatters ,as don't Kill Mossies or Flys ffs !
Lucky they have Cobra Plants that Venus Fly Trap Bugs ( Bug Heaven for U and loved my grey hair ffs :) .
The Friggen animals Act like they are on the Gallapolous Island ffs .
I did 5 Climbs , in 10 days .
Each one , could't believe how high I got .
Finished with the Tigers Nest , which took 6 hours .
Such a spiritual Place , for Buddhists and Bhutanese .
The Devine Madman has retired from Trekking Mountains , surfing is fn hard enough .
Surfing?
Sounds divine Devine.
I thought you might change your name to starsky .
Devine Madness wrote:On my trip in Bhutan , my travelling group thought Pop Down a Madman , while Locals thought me Devine .
The consensus was , I did show Devine Madman tendencies , even before visiting HIS Monastery , hence the new name .
Been Popping Up 2 much and didn't like being a Pop No2 , so cancelled Pop and Popped back Up , as a fn Madman .
I told a Local , AW , that Mother Earth Loves us Humans !
We are her favourite Animal .
She Nurtures us .
That as a Species , we weren't doing That Well , until We discovered Oil .
Said that Mother Earth didn't like us using Whale Oil , so she Pushed Up some Oil and got our Population , Really growing .
All the Ingredients Humans CAN use , to Develop OUR Species , Oil , Gas , Wood , Steel etc etc ARE available and NO other species needs this STUFF !
Like the Bhutanese , us Humans LOVE Nature and , mostly , try to protect her ( no other Species THINKS like this :) !
When our species dies , this stuff is replaced with other stuff , eventually .
Told my friend in Bhutan , don't worry about CO2 too much , as it's not That high and just continue to Deal with the Glacial Lakes and potential flooding if , it happens , which they are doing with Indian help .
Nuclear Fusion will replace Hydrocarbons soon , they use Hydro .
Also saw Bangkok .
Oh My Stars , a bloody Powerful Mega City of 10 million plus , goes Off .
Bloody Aircon capital of the World , probably , and I love Buddhists .
Food is too spicy .
AW , thinking U are very Buddhisty , like the Bhutanese .
The Cows and Horses play Chicken with Trucks and Cars there !
They don't have any Fly Spay or Swatters ,as don't Kill Mossies or Flys ffs !
Lucky they have Cobra Plants that Venus Fly Trap Bugs ( Bug Heaven for U and loved my grey hair ffs :) .
The Friggen animals Act like they are on the Gallapolous Island ffs .
I did 5 Climbs , in 10 days .
Each one , could't believe how high I got .
Finished with the Tigers Nest , which took 6 hours .
Such a spiritual Place , for Buddhists and Bhutanese .
The Devine Madman has retired from Trekking Mountains , surfing is fn hard enough .
Devine Madness. Good to hear from you.
Mother Earth is not going to like us for much too long the way we are treating the planet,
I can believe how HIGH you got, for fuck sake, you’re in Bhutan, that shit grows in the cracks in footpaths, stone walls and naturally occurs in their environment.
Cannabis sp. is illegal in Bhutan.
Sounds like you’re having a good time, hope it continues. All the best. AW
AW
Was with a serious Group and even smoking Tobacco is frowned upon .
I walked bloody HIGH and had a Crack , no Ice either .
Did see the stuff going like weeds , especially around rivers .
I spent my Time , mainly , in the Forests , Ala Natural , no weeds .
Never saw ANY sign of it in the Cities and don't think , they use it , at all .
Maybe Tibet is for Smokers , Bhutan is definitely NOT !
There is another Plant that looks similar and overtakes most weeds .
A Herbal Doctor had some at the bottom on the big climb and rubbed it IN his boots and on his cloths .
Then I had a hot Stonned Rock Bath , with the Green Stuff , Floating all over me .
I did feel better afterwards .
Drove around , the bends , a lot , yawning everywhere I went .
In Mother Earths Life , we are like a Blink , maybe a moment .
She is Definitely imho , willing 2 go through some minor pain/discomfort to see OUR Species Thrive .
We are One in a Gazillion , 4 sure !
AlfredWallace wrote:old-dog wrote:Trouble is we already have more solar power during the day than the system can handle, and with present tech. we would need thousands of acres of batteries to save it for nighttime use, especially when there is no wind. We still need reliable base power from somewhere, for the foreseeable future, don't we?
Old-Dog. Hi mate.
So true, our nation’s problems is we have historically been very slow on the uptake of anything thats good for our country.
One step forward two steps backwards ( the John Howard rhythm method)Why are we just in this renewable energy period now ?
Bob Brown mooted 40 years ago why aren’t we developing these technologies, it’s not as though the Sun just evolved yesterday.
It was the blanket use of fossil fuels and the winners and players who benefited from it, be it’s global governments or private enterprise.
We’ve got to be all in not part there of.
Reliable base power can come from renewables, just build systems to store it.
It will cost trillions upon trillions but it has to be done.These whole arguments on these forums from folk like PopDown and a few others, which I respect but don’t agree with, intimating that gas should also be used is complete bunkum, surely it’s time to move away from polluting energy sources. Isn’t it ?
I follow the biological world closely, I’m not liking what I’m seeing and reading. AW
I suggest you go listen to the ABC series Australia if your listening around climate change and renewables.
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/if-youre-listening/season-six-epi...
I think its the last episode where they talked to a number of experts of whom all agreed we will be using gas peaking plants to support renewable's until at least 2050.
At the time of the series we already have 50 gas peaking plants and expect now have more.
Some countries will need to do similar but some dont need these because they have other safety nets of reliable carbon free energy in a decent amount of hydro energy or nuclear.
There was also a good article posted a few months back talking about it its was either an Age or ABC article too.
There you go @sippy, the paywalled article from today’s Age newspaper that Ilinked ^^^.
Federal authorities have approved 51 renewable energy projects since the last election to add to the electricity grid and prepare for the closure of coal-fired power stations amid a growing political row about the need for new capacity to avoid future shortages.
The new projects are expected to add 8.4 gigawatts of clean energy to the grid, almost three times the capacity of the country’s biggest coal-fired power stations, and will be accompanied by storage to deal with intermittent supply from wind and solar farms.
But Labor is confronting rising concern from renewable companies about obstacles to their investments despite the urgent need for additional supply even after state decisions to extend the lives of the Eraring coal-fired power station in NSW and the Loy Yang A power station in Victoria.
The new figures heighten the dispute over energy policy after Opposition Leader Peter Dutton revealed this week he would not set a target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 and would instead propose building nuclear power stations to achieve net zero emissions by 2050.
Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek will cite the 51 approvals since the last election as proof that Labor has backed more renewable projects in its two years in office than the Coalition did during its nine years in power.
Plibersek has authority under environmental law to make final decisions on new projects ranging from motorways to solar farms and coal mines, although some projects can also be challenged under state laws.
“I’ve ticked off a record 51 renewable energy projects – more than the Abbott and Turnbull governments combined and enough to power more than 3 million Australian homes,” Plibersek said.
“That means, on average, the Labor government is greenlighting a new renewable energy project every fortnight.
“While Peter Dutton and the Coalition are watering down our climate targets, Labor is getting on with the job of the renewable energy transition.”
Energy investors want faster approvals by state governments, especially NSW, as well as the rapid construction of new power lines so the grid can carry renewable energy from mammoth solar farms and offshore wind turbines.
If we don’t accelerate the pace of delivery of renewable energy, we will have supply shortfalls,” Clean Energy Council chief executive Kane Thornton said.
“Planning systems across the country are not fit for purpose for the scale of change that is needed in the time available.”
One concern is the time required for federal approval under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act – the law that gives Plibersek the final say on projects – but investors are also highlighting the slow approval times within state bureaucracies.
Squadron Energy chief executive Rob Wheals, whose projects include the giant Uungula Wind Farm near Wellington in NSW, said one problem was the lack of central co-ordination in the NSW state system.
In order to speed up the rollout of renewable energy projects, governments, both state and federal, should focus on land access, grid capacity and streamlining the involvement of multiple agencies in the approvals process,” he said.
Labor has set a target to cut emissions by 43 per cent from 2005 levels by 2030 and insists it is on track, but the goal assumes renewable sources will make up 82 per cent of electricity generation by that deadline.
The Clean Energy Regulator said last month that companies added 5.3 gigawatts of renewable capacity to the grid in 2023, but it has previously warned that Australia needed to add at least 7 gigawatts each year to achieve its emissions target for 2030.
Labor estimates its key policy to reduce emissions, the Capacity Investment Scheme, will underwrite 23 gigawatts of renewable generation by 2030. But the regulator’s analysis, matched by industry analysis from the Clean Energy Council, suggests 42 gigawatts of renewable capacity should be installed over the six years to 2030.
Acciona Energy, whose MacIntyre wind farm in Queensland is one of the world’s biggest, said big new projects needed approval to take the place of others that were being scaled back or shelved.
“There’s new gigawatt-scale projects in early development now that will truly move the needle on the 2030 targets, but they need to get approved,” its Australian managing director, Brett Wickham, said.
“We need black and white criteria to bring more transparency to the process for proponents and help speed up assessments.
The additional $130 million in federal departmental funding to speed up environmental approvals is absolutely welcome.”
According to the Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water, it takes 27 months on average for a project to move from planning and approval under the EPBC to coming online.
The approved renewable projects in NSW include the Tilbuster solar farm near Armidale, the Quorn Park solar project near Parkes, the Marulan Solar Farm, the Orana battery storage project near Wellington and the Silver City storage project near Broken Hill.
The projects in Victoria include the Elaine battery storage system near Ballarat, the Melton battery north of Melbourne and the Numurkah solar farm near Shepparton.
The result is expected to add 8.4 gigawatts to the electricity grid, more than the 2.9-gigawatt capacity of the Eraring power station and the 2.2-gigawatt capacity of the Loy Yang A power station combined.
The renewable generation is accompanied by 6.4 gigawatts of storage capacity to add a degree of stability to the grid to handle increasing supplies from intermittent wind and solar farms.
Labor estimates the renewable projects add the same electricity generation as 25 small modular nuclear reactors. The Coalition is yet to say what kind of nuclear power plants it will propose when it reveals its policy.
The decisions are key to the construction of more electricity generation as the coal-fired stations reach the end of their working lives, given it would take decades to build any nuclear power plants if Australians back Dutton and his policy at the federal election.
Opposition climate change and energy spokesman Ted O’Brien has warned against relying heavily on solar and wind to support the electricity grid when they are intermittent sources of electricity when compared to baseload options such as nuclear power stations.
O’Brien has promised an energy plan to achieve net zero emissions by 2050, in line with Labor’s target, but is not setting a 2030 target and is yet to unveil measures to reduce emissions in the near term or reveal where nuclear power stations would be located in the long term.
“We will be as ambitious as we can, but we’ll be contained by what’s achievable. And we’ll be honest and transparent,” he told Sky News.
“It’s why we talk about the need to have a balanced mix of energy including renewables, gas and zero emissions nuclear energy as coal exits the system.”
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^*^*^ atten @sippy
There has been more than $2.6 trillion in global investment in wind and solar between 2010-2019. Renewable capacity has quadrupled with capacity more than 26 times compared to 2009. That period had seen more GW installed than other generation.
In that same period the percentage of global primary energy consumption from fossil fuels has decreased from 86.3%……, to 86.0%.
Shit return on investment.
Shit result on targets with 1.5c gone and likely >2c outcome
Perverse outcomes with renewables only replacing renewables not coal and gas. Hello Germany.
well that's all well and good frowny...
(said sincerely)
so basically, labor are going to override local community and government concerns to fulfill their ambitious target...
the question is... will those local communities accept this? ...or spit the dummy and vote labor out next election?
and re. the wider suburbanite community... will they accept that this renewables push is all reasonable, wise, and acceptable? ...and that it is actually cheaper, despite their energy bills going through the roof?
that is the question...
and dutton's answer is, no
I agree with indod, it's a massive gamble on dutton's behalf
but albo is so on the nose, it may well pay off...
my point is, that a lot of this was totally unnecessary, and it's just labor's aloofness and connection to their own big corporations that have brought this about
ie. if they showed some balls back when the gas cartels needed confronting, they could have avoided a lot of this uncertainty, pain, and unrest
and possibly of more concern, if they showed some balls... australia wouldn't be losing crucial manufacturing to overseas, at this crucial time where smart western countries are proactively moving it back home, to face the glaringly obvious instability and dangers on the horizon
you can bleet on about murdoch and whatever other excuses you like... but when labor had the chance make a domestic gas reserve part of our national gas policy - and not just as in WA...
they didn't
even phil corey said on insiders at the time, he was surprised labor didn't make hay with the clear 'political capital' that they were holding at the time...
that's phil corey... of the 'australian financial review' ...hardly of looney left anti-business pedigree...
if all comes back to bite them, I call karma...
and sucked in
but at the same time... what a waste of initiatives, and another expensive exercise in financial flip flopping for the australian public to bare...
There’s issues in Queensland also Syppy. With the pumped hydro projects in relation to your point about community consultation. It’s the same arrogance that had them buy up (without the Federal sign off from Peter Garret yet) so many properties in the Traveston Dam palaver to have big protests and it be over turned because of the ancient species in the Mary River.
Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.
This is how Dutton wins:
https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-heroe...