Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?
I Focus you said:
"Trump is a politician not a private citizen, whats with the all gooey you cannot level fair criticism at Trump?
Heaven forbid that anyone uses Trumps modus operandi of attack, lies, total BS and some."
Trump's modus operandi is polarising. Are you suggesting that it's OK to use his MO or saying its a bad thing? I'm not sure. Why not pull people up on both the left and right for resorting to using polarising language?
Is it possible to level fair criticism without appealing to the polarising language? I say yes.
I can see the same whataboutism creating the rift. Its everyone's responsibility to uphold civility so that a productive dialog can be had.
Sharkman I hear you about America changing. I've been over there a few times over the last 18 months and I haven't noticed any hostility personally, but the passion on each person's own respective 'side' (like or hate Tump) is significant once someone opens up and is comfortable in voicing their opinion.
had a very interesting conversation with an Uber driver from Russia while I was in Denver...
".. Don't discount two possibilities.
1. My 'forceful' reactions to hypocrisy and error could be masking a perfectly reasonable conservative worldview.
2. Your own (shuddering) perspective may itself be coloured by your own position some way into the Post Modernist fairy garden....while many of my views would have been completely unexceptional to a working class voter of just a few decades ago."
I'm actually agreeing with u blob. I think you do have "... a perfectly reasonable conservative worldview."
Nothing wrong with that...in my book...
And, yep I do like a little post modernist fairy garden, it's where I find hope, much like your own fairy garden...
The left have wandered too far into the fairy garden for most people, this is across a swathe of social issues. That's pretty obvious to me, a somewhat natural result of the growing class divide....from my bias perspective that is...
They simply failed to take the people with them. A pretty major fail if you think you're the party of the people.
.....and they danced a little too wildly by the moonlight.
".. .It was a time when there was a working class and they were militant as all hell unlike the pussy's of today."
That's a bit of a gross generalisation there i focus.
A bit of a naive and ignorant one
Herr Blob, nice to see you back , a little bit rattled with all the personal insults , but that's what we expect from the right...OK here we go....
"the aggression between the Republicans and Democrats is now so polarizing, people I know who have been friends for decades , do not talk to each other anymore ......its just not a nice place....'
You tedious old sh#t slinger you."
hahaha.....Blobby , are you able to present any evidence , to the contrary...I am just relaying to you the personal experiences I have had in SoCal , actually off there this weekend , so I'll keep ya posted .....TOSS!
Good to see you accusing the young Australians who are worried about the state of the planet , as being brainwashed....you had to bring Hitler into the conversation , along with Mao and Stalin , yeah those educated kids are a real problem because our education system actually taught them facts about the future Climate change , as opposed to those 2% of scientists who work for the fossil fuel lobby......ah they must certainly have a higher IQ than herr blobb , unless of course you do concede that Breibart has brain washed you??
Westofthelake , can't thank you enough for posting
https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com.......this is the best damn blog I have ever read..........Blobbert , can you have a read ( don't be too scared) and get back to us...
everybody get onto the above blog , incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad to share sharkman. I've been introduced to lots of great info from other people on here. It certainly goes with the theme of this thread.
Interesting to compare whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday with Breibart.
One of them presents facts as they are,
The other attempts to highlight A perspective, but true motive is to make money, promote division, and attack any one who disagrees with THEIR narrow point of view. I mean how full on are their ads on the site (and their promoters). It comes across to me as one big computer virus generator. I had a look at it a few times but have well and truly concluded that it's more of the same.
Blob and the Breibart Head Banger Band can play their shitty tunes as loud as they like.
I prefer to listen to a different channel.
Westofthelake +1 good site
sypkan agree re the generalisation and a bit unfair on present day unions.
Reject the naive and ignorance for that I would have to do some thing like accuse BB of being a communist.
Last communist I met was in the union movement early/mid 70's the old comrades would be long dead by now they were on a different trip.
Yocal "Trump's modus operandi is polarising. Are you suggesting that it's OK to use his MO or saying its a bad thing?"
Bad thing Yocal but try commenting on Breibart in a nice way and see what comes back at you..........actually take that back don't they are a rabid mob.
Blob "Where was the typical Australian in 1960 on social issues like abortion, SSM, transsexuals, queer theory, white privilege, immigration, anti dicrimination law, guns, pornography, capital punishment etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...............????"
Now you are talking yes you could strut around proudly...............chest out in fact you could drink until closing go home and bash your wife (you wouldn't get charged) and she would be thankful as there maybe some money left over to feed the kids.
I think we have come a long way with peoples rights in society. I focus sounds like he went through what I did as a kid with dad coming home pissed and a swinging at everyone. Regarding Trump, its funny to watch him stare off the Chinese and win, with a respectful grin at him from the Chinese president. Trade will be better for Americans and the border thing will stop them going broke as well. He reminds me of Pauline Hanson, they don't seem very bright but maybe the solutions are obvious and simple ones sometimes like, hey lets make stuff here and stop importing everything...and hey lets stop giving centrelink to the whole world. I also think that the rise in homosexual behaviour is a modern day lust thing. Before the collapse of many societies long before ours, this behaviour became common as a society became richer more decadent and more bored with the norm. 30 years ago I knew one or two gays and now everywhere I look they seem to be falling out of trees and becoming more militant and aggressive boasting their sexuality which I don't want to hear about and don't give a stuff about. Just go home and do it and don't make a big deal about it. My advice is live clean, live natural, marry a nice girl and have some babies, have a great family life and try and see the good in everyone and give them a chance. Plant some trees, grow a garden,Take an interest in the big picture, also write to politicians if you have good ideas to make your country a better place rather that criticize them. If you had a million dollars to invest and had to give it to one of our politicians to look after it ,who would it be? Who would you trust most with it? The answer is the one you should vote for, for your country's sake.
I focus Have you commented on Breitbart?
Agree it takes strength to respond to vitriol and resentment with truth and passion, and civility
Yocal I do read some of the stuff and comments at sites like Breitbar out of interest to see what people are thinking but generally its such a religious zealot type environment I usually come away disappointed by the general lack of intellectual insight.
I never comment......pointless
Optimist I was very lucky my family were heavy drinkers but no violence or sexual abuse but went to school with a lot of kids who turned up in bare feet and borrowed cloths where it was the norm, bloody horrible.
"Regarding Trump, its funny to watch him stare off the Chinese and win, with a respectful grin at him from the Chinese president."
I agree with the heavy pressure on China to cooperate on IP laws. I think it should be a multilateral push from Capitalist nations given the ideological difference between Capitalism where Individual achievement is awarded and recognised, compared to the Communist Ideology where the state controls IP and therefore the collective IP must be shared to progress (which, in my own view, stagnates productivity).
I don't think its enough for just the US alone to be applying pressure via the trade war so I don't get the feeling that any real winning is happening. Xi may well be smiling respectfully with the satisfaction of knowing that China will win in the long run (unless they concede to accept international IP laws). With China's present-day arrangement where they are allowed to compete in the global market while not observing a fundamental rule, they are tilting the game in their favor.
Exactly yocal!
I've gotta admit I had to Google "IP laws". I thought you were talking about internet providers. I also thought this fucking melanial is obsessed. Probably got a point, but IT obsessed...
But you're dead right. And many from many political persuasions have made the same point.
They just don't play by the rules. Their system facilities a gross advantage that cannot possibly be described as 'free trade" by any stretch of the term.
Free trade needs to be fair trade or the whole system is bogus.
A few other 'fair trade' influences could only be a positive too!!
"Regarding Trump, its funny to watch him stare off the Chinese and win, with a respectful grin at him from the Chinese president."
I am afraid there was no substance To Trumps claims of any real deals done at the G20.....the stock market reflected that today , fell 800 points...
The USA is now looking at much higher prices for goods , such as steel and aluminium which is part of the reason GM have to shut down plants in the USA costing 15000 jobs.......1 in 10 Co's in the USA now have to raise their prices because of the new tariffs , which means you will get the same products at much higher prices, which in turn means less buying power , and will really affect low income earners !
And, whilst we're china bashing....
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You're probably right sharkman.
But it's pretty easy to argue this is a much needed rebalancing.
It's also pretty easy to argue that you're taking the fairly typical perspective of someone who might have a business in america
...and re. who will pay for this much needed rebalancing
...really...the working class would expect no more of the enterprising capitalists - from both the right and left! - that took so much in the manisfistations of the initial globalisation project negotiations.
Yet many are willing to go there...
Not exactly the stance of pussy's I reckon.
....as to their organised leaders?
...now there's a different story...
sharkman! Breitbart Store is under maintenance so they gave Blob the week off.
Close tbb but I reckon he's out on the street in St. Petersburg. Got fired from the Internet Research Agency for being too obviously a troll.
I've actually wondered about Herr Blobby , is he really is a troll from Breibart ?
He certainly couldn't hold his own when he was claiming to be a Christian , and as his prime source of Info is Breibart , very very, sad sad!!
there is an upside , even if we have political/philosophical differences we still communicate with each other ...I learn a lot here, even sometimes just to expand on thoughts and putting them into writing on the forums , and see what comes back , is a blessing....
China...mmm...we have let them in as it's politically expedient , they have a very long term plan /view of becoming the next super power.....they have Australia over a barrel now , not in one, pardon the pun.....
The Chinese can wait 2 years play all sorts of games with Donald , knowing that he has to answer to voters/polls etc........they don't have to answer to their people , they could actually just decree 3 bowls of rice for the whole population as they are at war with the USA , with no repercussions ....that's why this Trade war cannot be won by the USA.....
Yeh he's either a troll or the beta version of an AI chat bot. Ran it here for a while and they could see it needed upgrading!
Morrison: Have you seen Joe lately?
Trump: Joe, who?
Morrison: You know out on the golf course. Joe Hockey.
Trump: oh yea Joe, great player.
You have so many great athletes.
Loose transcription from actual recent conversation as shown on 'Mad as Hell' ABC tonight..
Prequel G20 conversation to Westofthelake's (Joes on 1st).
Trump: 'I never would of hung up on Austrian Prime Minister Trunbull.'
Trump: 'Nor do I recall any Dumb Deals with Australian President Trumbull.'
(Another minute passes... Another Oz PM)
Trump: 'Hey where's that other guy & Who is this guy?'
Trump: 'So you're our new ambassador to Austria!'
Promo: ("Nope! I'm the new PM of Australia.")
Trump: 'So Jennifer is still head of State then?'
Promo: ("That's right Mr President.")
Promo: ("Have you seen Joe lately.....
G20 high level talks continue above with Westofthelake (Joes on 1st)
Sharkman
Rattled?....you wish.
Insults motivate me but I'm getting bored.
See, some of the Swelleft comments have merit to me
...not yours.
I'll indulge in some sarcasm but your tendency to rare argument and constant mockery makes me think you are trying a little too hard.
'....they must certainly have a higher IQ than Herr Blob'
What is your IQ legend?.
Brainwashed by Breitbart?
As I've said, I am exposed to various media and see bias in most of it.
I'm not like Swelleft....never reading it but always scorning conservative media ........while chugging fake news schooners.
2% of scientists? Whatever you say IQ man.
Whenever you attack the player and not the ball I assume you lack a comeback of substance, ...so when I link to the teacher making sure her students will never vote Liberal (brainwashing) you just ignore it..
If conservative teachers brainwashed their students to take a day off school to agitate for some right wing issue I'm guessing you wouldn't be happy.
If I'm wrong on that then you arent the hypocrite you appear.
.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/rudy-giuliani-s-typo-became-a...
The Cyber Czar strikes
Sharkman
'It gets rather tedious listening to the right and the left slinging shit at each other , accusing , judging and abusing each other.'
' aggression between the Republicans and Democrats is now so polarizing, people I know who have been friends for decades , do not talk to each other anymore ......its just not a nice place....'
You tedious old sh#t slinger you."
'hahaha.....Blobby , are you able to present any evidence , to the contrary...I am just relaying to you the personal experiences I have had in SoCal , actually off there this weekend , so I'll keep ya posted .....TOSS!'
Focus your acute mental lasers now....
You ask for contrary evidence when I haven't contradicted you at all.
What's contrary is that agree with you that the political climate has become nasty.
What I was pointing at is your hypocrisy in complaining about other people slinging sh#t while slinging sh#t yourself.
I Focus
'Blob "Where was the typical Australian in 1960 on social issues like abortion, SSM, transsexuals, queer theory, white privilege, immigration, anti dicrimination law, guns, pornography, capital punishment etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...............????"
Now you are talking yes you could strut around proudly...............chest out in fact you could drink until closing go home and bash your wife (you wouldn't get charged) and she would be thankful as there maybe some money left over to feed the kids.'
What a total cop out.....that isn't in the same hemisphere as a rational answer to the question.
Seeing as you are so sure of the superiority of your opinions I'm wondering why it is so hard for you even have a go at defending them.
If Blindboy is pretentious and Sharkman is low information.....you are just a facade.
Swelleft
Please stop obsessing over me....
Reading all your paranoid fantasies is so flattering I'm afraid it might compromise my hard won humility :)
.....
Herr Blobster is back with more great quotes and seems to be quite rattled again, not much new Breibart info , but a running judgmental commentary on us the posties , and our shortcomings of being not right, yes , or not of the right , or righteous , rightly said.....and me being a low information kind of guy , has really hurt and I will probably need a few extra sessions to deal with this new name calling......but I just could not let this go.......
"2% of scientists? Whatever you say IQ man.
Whenever you attack the player and not the ball I assume you lack a comeback of substance, ...so when I link to the teacher making sure her students will never vote Liberal (brainwashing) you just ignore it..
If conservative teachers brainwashed their students to take a day off school to agitate for some right wing issue I'm guessing you wouldn't be happy.
If I'm wrong on that then you arent the hypocrite you appear.
I am not sure that you know there's a bit of a discussion at the moment on Climate change , and the potential cost , where more than 97% of scientists agree that we are in the middle of massive Climate change and we need a plan for the future generations........and guess what those future generations are now realizing thru education that their future planet will be severly degraded , and they demand a plan!
Your nonsensical statement about teachers brainwashing students away from the Liberal Party , well ah , not sure if you have been watching Australian politics over the last few months, but the Liberal right wing faction are doing a fine job of showing todays' youth( tomorrows voters) that their lust for money and power has become so entrenched in their mantra, well , we know what doesn't work ....the end of the rabid right is being played out for all to see.......unless of course you see it different...no brainwashing needed , just read the news everyday......and the implosion of the right..
here's a bit of info....when Don was asked about the ever increasing debt in the USA , and how he has increased that debt from 20 to 22 1/2 Trillion ( 10%+ in 2 years) with tax cuts and infrastructure costs........his answer..." I won't be here ?"......its all about him now with no regard for the future , as he won't be here!!......
ya gotta love the Dons philosophy , of while you are here , don't think of anyone else or the future, use as much as you can while you can with no regard for the future....wow I wonder how the next generations will vote?
As for slinging shit...that's your paranoid world.......we are to discuss / learn and every now and then we get a right wing troll ....who seems not to be able to answer basic questioning , except you like to be a slingshitter!
Hey Blob I certainly don't/wont fit your BS narrative.
There is some excellent nuanced commentary on here from well read / educated but more importantly life experienced people who went their own ways in life and didn't need to feel embolden by brain dead lying websites supported by parasitic dogs praying on the weak minded to act against the best interests of themselves and the majority.
The very people, ideas, beliefs you support obfuscate your hero's motives and helps them continue the transfer of wealth, rights and working conditions away from the majority.
Well done.
ah typical right wing nationalist , obsessing over himself..."Swelleft
Please stop obsessing over me....
Reading all your paranoid fantasies is so flattering I'm afraid it might compromise my hard won humility :)
I do not obsess over you, but your views are to be challenged and brought to the forefront , so we can all examine what you have to say and comment...not you but your Breibart views needs to be challenged and consigned to history of what fucked the planet in the first place..
Swelleft are too thick to see their Breitbart hiss only proves my point.
They cannot stand information that contradicts their sheeplike virtue signalling conformity.
....and their terror.
Sharkman
Define Nationalist and then tell me how I am one.
Not obsessing ??
Swelleft has conversations between themselves about the Blob
Hilarious
....no if you want to be taken seriously expose yourself by including some substantive argument with your endless empty assertions.
Sharkman
Illegal sea landings to Italy have dropped by 80 per cent in just one year after the country’s populist government enacted tough new immigration measures.
Gee, that sounds familiar.
Does wanting secure national borders make someone a nationalist?.
Sharkman, you congratulate the kids for rejecting "the Right" and it's divisive views but at the same time you support right wing economic policies which are incredibly divisive and demonstrably have no interest in looking after these same kids down the track.
How do you reconcile these apparently conflicting thoughts?
Andy interested where you think these start and finish in political spectrum terms.
" right wing economic policies which are incredibly divisive"
Talking to yourself is an indicator of poor mental health. Unsubstantiated assertions usually just indicate ignorance.
I Focus
'There is some excellent nuanced commentary on here from well read / educated but more importantly life experienced people who went their own ways in life and didn't need to feel embolden by brain dead lying websites supported by parasitic dogs praying on the weak minded to act against the best interests of themselves and the majority.'
Is that sentence is an example of your educated life experienced excellent nuance?.
Nah.....its hypocritical dribble.
I'm fine with insults, but if you want decent debate then make them count, yours are just gratuitous.
If you think Breitbart is rubbish then use your nuance to contradict it with facts.
For all the nose in the air condescension certain Swellefties seems unable to do it.....only to huff and puff.
Sharkman
Says.......'Herr Blobster is calling me names'
Sharkman
You didn't answer my questions re. Nationalists
Here is another simple one.
How do you know that 97%+ scientists believe massive climate change will degrade the planet?.
Where did this claim come from?
Blob trolling isn't going to cut it
"Hey Blob I certainly don't/wont fit your BS narrative."
Let us know what you disagree with...... and your supporting evidence.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/syr/
And a good explanation off why all right wing commentary is immediately under suspicion of being, hypocritical, self-interested or just mind bogglingly naive.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/07/us-billionaires-ha...
Sharkman
Says,....'the right wing troll is calling me names'
You are golden.
On the debt...
You haven't been paying attention.
I'm on the record as saying debt is one of the biggest issues.
Unfortunately Obama was terrible on debt and Hillary would be too, so the preference for Trump had to be based on other important issues.
Like foreign policy, trade, borders....and giving strokes to the elites.
It seems very few politicians are overly worried about debt.
In Australia, Alan Jones is probably the loudest voice for fiscal responsibility.
Labor wasted John Howard's financial legacy and voters don't want to know about reduced spending.
We are in a bad place but your criticism of Trump is wasted. He's no different on debt than most.
Blindboy
The Guardian is left wing commentary.
I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?