Do you like or hate Donald Trump, and why?
Blowin and Blob , regarding the Mueller investigation , I am not sure if you understand how investigators work , which is forensically looking at every phone call , every text , every email , every bank accounts movements...which takes quite a deal of time to do depending how far back they have to go .They then look at all the digital evidence and ask questions about the material they have compiled and depending on the answers to the questions , proceed with criminal charges or are satisfied with the answers and let the said person go!
Interestingly , Trumps lawyer of 12 years has just pleaded guilty , now of course the ever Faithful Don ....https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-s-ex-lawyer-cohen-pl... there's more smoke .....we will let Mueller finish his forensic investigation , as there is way too much we still do not know, but will soon.....
And until that time , we’ll consider Trump guilty , eh Sharkman ?
Motive? Yes. Opportunity? Yes. Evidence? Increasingly strong. This is not a court of law. He lost the right to the presumption of innocence in the public domain a long time ago.
Says who ?
Says the millions who, like me, believe he is as guilty as sin.
Sorry , mate.
I thought you had something besides personal exceptionalism to offer.
In a criminal case the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt. So when he is charged Trump is entitled to that. In civil cases such as libel the burden of proof is reduced to the balance of probabilities. The public sets its own standard. Many politicians, media personalities etc who have been found not guilty have still lost their careers because the public didn't believe them. Nothing personal about it Blowin, it's just the way the world works. Anyone who denies that a substantial segment of the US population, based on existing evidence, believe Trump to be guilty of one or more criminal offences, clearly does not pay attention to the issue. Oh and, ask any criminal lawyer, not guilty does not mean innocent.
Like I said ....a witch hunt.
So in other words BB, you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Mr Trump , we the mob finds you .....guilty !
Just hope that the court of public opinion doesn’t come for you one day , BB.
Sharkman
Trump Tax returns?....I don't know
Barnaby Joyce coverage?.....already covered in comments.
Blindboy
Get over yourself
What problem Andy? I think Trump is guilty. So do literally millions of others. When did the right to a personal opinion get rescinded? I didn't think Trump had got that far with his agenda yet. The fact that you don't like it is, well sorry, but just your bad luck.
What don't I like?
Ideologues like you going off half-cocked?
Yeah you're definitely part of the problem of a post-truth society.
OK draw my attention to any misinformation I have posted. Please not just opinions you disagree with. An ideologue? So what is my ideology?
That's part of the irony, you're guilty of similar mental processes as Trump.
Evidence is irrelevant, fake news is everywhere.
Evidence is irrelevant!!! Yeh well maybe to you but it is not aposition I would recommend.
Nice try BB, half-cocked doesn't equate to mis-information.
Where's your dictionary?
Post truth does. And you still haven't identified my ideology.
Anyhoo, judging by the multitude of feverish, frothing, unsubstantiated threads you've put up over the past year or so, you aint gonna change your mind soon.
FWIW, I think Trump is a buffoon, a stooge, popped out of a similar mould to Tony Abbott.
Ideally, Trump would be the "President we had to have" and we'd learn a lot about media, politics etc but you seem so reactive and knee-jerky.
You're like a ping pong ball, so easily hit away from a given direction with little time for resistance or consideration. It still seems that if a woman or a "person of colour" was dangled in front of you at election time you'd automatically assume they were righteous, regardless of any history or evidence.
Classic regressive left.
Your ideology? I typed it above.
I am happy to substantiate any facts I have posted and have supported my opinions with logical arguments. If you don't like them, don't read them. Seems easy to me. As for being regressive left, well maybe in the sense that I support a stronger Union movement, greater regulation of employment conditions to prevent exploitation of workers, a decent welfare system, universal health care, fair funding for education and an environmental policy that addresses the issues rather than leave them for subsequent generations. Did I leave anything out?
Sorry mate, you're the turkey voting for Thanksgiving in many respects.
You talk of substantiation, you've been given literally dozens of credible links on certain subjects, and your ideology just can't handle it, it's a logic fail.
It's like you've been paid to undermine small-l liberal values, your cognitive dissonance is jumping up and down in flashing neon lights.
Such as........ I usually read the links and if I disagree I state my reasons. So pick one of the dozens on a subject of your choice. As for small l liberal values, what, like tolerance, respect for minorities, fair distribution of wealth, polite political discourse, complying with the various UN policies we have ratified, limiting corporate power, that sort of thing Andy?
BB’s ideology is open borders, one world socialist government.
The plebs being told what to do by the “elites” and being grateful that they’ve been railroaded down a path that theyd never wished to undertake.
Zero free will....unless it’s been officially sanctioned !
it must be friday!
"Ideally, Trump would be the "President we had to have" and we'd learn a lot about media, politics etc but you seem so reactive and knee-jerky."
Does that make blindboy a 'reactionary'?
Oh the irony!
Spot on with your point about politics and media. A certain cohort clearly don't to want address these issue. They've been peddling the bullshit so long they're addicted to it.
Blob is wrong when he says "the left is wrong about everything". It's just that they're willing to lie about everything in the race to the bottom of the fake news cesspit.
Again, oh the irony!
Chasing fox news is no excuse.
Either that, or they've tip toed so far into the post modernist fairy garden they have truly lost sight of all reality.
Which would make blob right about everything....a shuddering thought....
Blowin if you want to put words in my mouth and then argue against them, why not go into a corner and quietly argue with yourself?
Blowin , really are wondering how many times you have been to the USA?
Yes Trump has the right to the presumption of innocence , but we can comment on aspects of the collusion case ...but we will see what Mueller comes up with when all the evidence has been collected , when all the interviews have finished....shouldn't be too long!
I do Judge Trump on his complete rejection of climate change science , but when I read part of the transcript from the Washington Post , where he explains what Climate is; " you look at our air and water, and its now at a record clean. But when you go look at China, and you look at parts of Asia and when you look at South America , and when you look at many places other places in the world including Russia , including may other places -the air is incredibly dirty. And when you are talking about an atmosphere, oceans are very small and it blows over and it sails over."
Not sure ol Don has a grasp on climate , but is able to reject the scientists who actually work for him , try reading ,https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/major-us-climate-report-sa... is simply saying we need a plan to deal with climate change now.....that's why it was inspirational to see School kids demonstrating yesterday in the streets ...which shows these educated kids get it and are worried about Governments who are climate change deniers , and do not believe science!
Sypkan, "Blob is wrong when he says "the left is wrong about everything". It's just that they're willing to lie about everything in the race to the bottom of the fake news cesspit.
Again, oh the irony!
Chasing fox news is no excuse.
Either that, or they've tip toed so far into the post modernist fairy garden they have truly lost sight of all reality.
Which would make blob right about everything....a shuddering thought...."
Herr Blob is certainly a wonderous creature , and rightly so , pun intended....it's so obvious that the right wingers of the world are slowly but surely showing themselves to the world , with their nationalistic views exposed and the accompanying divisive view of the World....what a great thing to see and understand and then be able to reject right which is now very evident here , and the USA , and the UK...the list keeps getting longer......the millenials are raising hell and will help change the world , as what they have seen from the right is not inclusive of them , can't wait for our federal election!!!
Sharkman- been to mainland twice , Hawaii maybe half a dozen times ....but not for a very long time.
Trump is off his head on the climate deal. He should really be shutting his lips there.
Cleanest water ever !
Of course you can say whatever’s you like about your opinion on guilt/ innocence. It’s when people start saying things like “ guilty in the court of public opinion “ and the fact that he will suffer public consequences of this kangaroo court verdict that worries me.
The recent movement to prosecute people civilly , rather than criminally , and the open acceptance and encouragement of this by people as smart as BB is very worrisome indeed.
Why not dispense with the whole idea of jurisprudence if it’s outcomes are to be ignored and mob rule bullies society into taking punitive action ?
No one is safe from this regressive social step.
And who influences the mob.....money and power.
Therefore justice has been transferred from the people to the powerful.
Fuck that.
Trump is a politician not a private citizen, whats with the all gooey you cannot level fair criticism at Trump?
Heaven forbid that anyone uses Trumps modus operandi of attack, lies, total BS and some.
Feel free to suggest any other US president that has de-funded, undermined and attacked the democratic institutions like Trump has.
Thats all before talking about either not filling positions within government or appointing cronies, family or complete imbecile's.
Then there is the criminal convictions of his closest employees confidants etc....nothing to see here huh, just very weak people.
Hell that would be completely biased and unfair.
Trump is a politician he is completely fair game just like any other politician with a whole media operation to defend himself.....problem is he is pretty much indefensible note all the lawyers clamouring to work for him.
Blowin , good to see you agree that Trumps Climate policy's are just ....downright ignorant , and the problem is , he's doing a lot of damage by trying to undo Obama's Climate policy's.
It gets rather tedious listening to the right and the left slinging shit at each other , accusing , judging and abusing each other.
The reason I asked about how many times you have been to the USA was to see if you noticed change over there in the last few years. I have a small business there , and have visited there 7 times since the election...its actually getting worse over there to visit and live , as the aggression between the Republicans and Democrats is now so polarizing, people I know who have been friends for decades , do not talk to each other anymore , and you really have to be careful what you say in Public , because damn they all have guns.....still wondering if I will continue over there , as it's just not a nice place to work anymore.....
Sad to hear sharkman. From your experience it sounds like the polarization of culture has become the tune of the political times.
Well said I focus.
Meanwhile in Trumpland, or is it Trumpville....but thinking more along the lines of planet Trump
Trump administration approves seismic tests that could harm thousands of Atlantic dolphins and whales.
"The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, declared that it issued final “incidental take” authorizations permitting companies conducting the surveys to harm wildlife if its unintentional."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/energy-environment/2018/11/30/trump-admin...
At the same time the Trumpernator is wondering what the fuck happened today. (Like every other day I imagine)
I am thinking about boarding the latest Broomstick and flying over there myself.
You know, to help out with the hunt.
After all, it is Duck season and Donald is floating around hoping he never has to take flight.
That's the thing about the truth, it always eventually and inevitably comes to light.
Its all just a matter of time, "Individual 1.".
Sypkan
'... or they've tip toed so far into the post modernist fairy garden they have truly lost sight of all reality.
Which would make blob right about everything....a shuddering thought....'
Don't discount two possibilities.
1. My 'forceful' reactions to hypocrisy and error could be masking a perfectly reasonable conservative worldview.
2. Your own (shuddering) perspective may itself be coloured by your own position some way into the Post Modernist fairy garden....while many of my views would have been completely unexceptional to a working class voter of just a few decades ago.
".while many of my views would have been completely unexceptional to a working class voter of just a few decades ago."
BS I was a working class voter 4 decades ago and your views would still have been frown upon then,
It was a time when there was a working class and they were militant as all hell unlike the pussy's of today.
Sharkman
'I do judge Trump on his complete rejection of climate change science'
Seems like you are also judgemental of many scientists and half of the people.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/05/14/physicist-climate-scientis...
Im not saying the climate isn't changing, but unlike you I'm perfectly happy to admit to being sceptical of a trillion dollar junk science political movement.
I focus
BS huh?
Where was the typical Australian in 1960 on social issues like abortion, SSM, transsexuals, queer theory, white privilege, immigration, anti dicrimination law, guns, pornography, capital punishment etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...............????
And on the politics....Unions were strong, but how did the majority of working class voters feel about communism compared to the average sociology professor or green voter or Swelleft of today?.
The left are even wrong about BS
I focus
'Thats all before talking about either not filling positions within government or appointing cronies, family or complete imbecile's.'
Hahahahahahahahahahaha....choked on my Cheerios
Nah, you are right, no other president has used power to appoint mates or attack opponents.
The left are.....
Yawn, recycled crap. One ex-climate expresses mild skepticism and that outweighs the work of thousands. A trillion dollars? Nah total cost of climate science globally is less than the fossil fuel industry spends trying to discredit it.
To compare Trump's blatant politicisation of appointments to anything that has gone before is either a deliberate attempt to mislead or an ignorance too profound to argue against. It's a waste of time arguing in either case. Crawl back under your rock.
Sharkman
'...inspirational to see kids demonstrating in the streets...'
.....Hitler, Stalin and Mao, all fans of brainwashing children.
https://au.educationhq.com/news/55429/sa-teacher-involved-in-facebook-co...
Ha ha what a joke. Democracy in action is too much for the right because they know, the right ALWAYS loses. No right wing regime has ever lasted except by violently repressing its own people.
Sharkman
'......the aggression between the Republicans and Democrats is now so polarizing, people I know who have been friends for decades , do not talk to each other anymore ......its just not a nice place....'
You tedious old sh#t slinger you.
Blindboy
Communist regimes do last......until the people get over murderous tyranny.
Are you communist?
........that tedious old shit slinger is an internationally respected surfer and shaper who has seen a lot more of the world than the underside of that rock you live under.
Can't frigging tell right from left and wants to pontificate anyway!
Blindboy
Says it's a waste of time arguing....
So...
Was Obama's appointment of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State a politicised appointment?.
I'm making it easy for you cause you make it SO easy for me :)
And there is no need to be so coy....you are among friends here.....
Are you communist?.
Yawn!
Blindboy
'Internationally respected surfer'
You are pulling out your big scary intellectual guns now huh?.
.....and sounding like a hero worshipper.
'It gets rather tedious listening to the right and the left slinging shit at each other , accusing , judging and abusing each other.'
Pay attention. I was using your hero's own words.
I couldn't care less how people surf when they're slinging sh#t about how they hate sh#t slingers
I respect great surfers who are good guys....as good guys, unfortunately we all know that so many of them have a hard time not becoming international jerks along the way.
Sharkman's comments give a hint...
Show some spine yourself though...
Are you communist?
Blindboy
Was Hillary's appointment political or not?
It was such a simple question Im left to assume it goes with all the others you are too fearful to answer
Cause...
Typing 'yes' or 'no' takes less letters than 'yawn'.
Why talk so much when you are too chicken to answer the simple ones?.
You can't hide under a rock forever ......I'm already there :)
....and man up
Are you communist?
I am curious if you guys like DonaldTrump, or do you hate him?