That’s weird, that’s queer, that’s crazy, that deserves a long hard look.

Roadkill wrote:

Djokovic is, based off wins, the best and most successful tennis player ever, no argument there. He is not even close to being the greatest tennis player ever. Will never be a goat.

Criticism of Djokovic here on SN has nothing to do with his tennis ability. The criticism is about his snake oil alternative treatment promotion and made up stories about metal poisoning.

By what other metric do you base GOAT status by given the level of competition in his era.

Geez you talk some absolute rubbish RK.

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

Djokovic is, based off wins, the best and most successful tennis player ever, no argument there. He is not even close to being the greatest tennis player ever. Will never be a goat.

Criticism of Djokovic here on SN has nothing to do with his tennis ability. The criticism is about his snake oil alternative treatment promotion and made up stories about metal poisoning.

You were so brainwashed by fake news that you wanted people charged with murder if they passed on covid unvaccinated. As it turns out the experiment didn't stop transmission, yet you still believe the other bullshit.
Now you want to call out Novak who never pushed his beliefs onto anyone? go crawl back in your hole Dill.

It’s good we have you to advise us and impart your extensive expertise.

over 1 billion spend on Celebrities to promote the experimental jab. Never forget that dumbo.

You haven’t grown much as a human since Covid, have you, burleigh.

Being the same irrational angry know it all is your thing…and always will be.

You really should have matured a bit. Yet, the same old schtick remains.

SN is a better place without the name calling and go nowhere back and forth. You should try it, I am.

Second funniest thing I’ve read all day.

burleigh wrote:

AndyM wrote:

Are you saying that the scientific community are all celebrities and stars?
I’ve got news for you, quantifiable facts are quite a different thing to made up feels.

Over 1 billion dollars spent on celebrities and influenzas to promote the experimental Covid vaccine. Yet you want to single out one of the best sports people in the world for his own beliefs that he has not pushed onto anyone?

You son, are a fool.

I agree Burls, the cult of celebrity is retarded.
I wish the general public had the ability to listen to an expert panel of epidemiologists and statisticians and be persuaded.
Equally I wish people could listen to celebrities dribble shit and subsequently disregard them.

AndyM wrote:

burleigh wrote:

AndyM wrote:

Are you saying that the scientific community are all celebrities and stars?
I’ve got news for you, quantifiable facts are quite a different thing to made up feels.

Over 1 billion dollars spent on celebrities and influenzas to promote the experimental Covid vaccine. Yet you want to single out one of the best sports people in the world for his own beliefs that he has not pushed onto anyone?

You son, are a fool.

I agree Burls, the cult of celebrity is retarded.
I wish the general public had the ability to listen to an expert panel of epidemiologists and statisticians and be persuaded.
Equally I wish people could listen to celebrities dribble shit and subsequently disregard them.

You want people to listen to the likes of Faucci and his dodgy mates?

Anthony Faucci who is getting a preemptive pardon? Lol

I guess if you're a fan of Trump and Tucker Carlson you're bound to dislike Fauci.
In any case I can't say I pay too much attention to the grotesque shit-show that is American politics and media.
Australia's bad enough.

Out of interest, I reckon it's worth pointing out how Fauci changed his mind based on ongoing evidence (the foundation of scientific progress).
However in Trump and Carlson’s minds, such reversals equal lying.
Can't win eh?

AndyM wrote:

I guess if you're a fan of Trump and Tucker Carlson you're bound to dislike Fauci.
In any case I can't say I pay too much attention to the grotesque shit-show that is American politics and media.
Australia's bad enough.

Out of interest, I reckon it's worth pointing out how Fauci changed his mind based on ongoing evidence (the foundation of scientific progress).
However in Trump and Carlson’s minds, such reversals equal lying.
Can't win eh?

If he gets a preemptive pardon from Biden do you believe he’s guilty? I do

Watching the GOAT at Rod Laver arena tonight was an incredible experience. Still going very strong at his veteran age. His health and body management should be a benchmark for any young, aspiring athletes.

flollo wrote:

Watching the GOAT at Rod Laver arena tonight was an incredible experience. Still going very strong at his veteran age. His health and body management should be a benchmark for any young, aspiring athletes.

Shhhhhh, this will upset the dill and AndyM who believe the only way to be alive is with medication.

Good on you Flollo, bucket list experience right there.

I would say his health and body management are the benchmark in world sport. Mental toughness too. Such an incredible never say die ability to climb back from impossible situations, slowly grinding out a win when a game looked gone. His physical fitness has been supreme and this has allowed him to do this. The thing is there's been a lot of them, it's a feature of his legacy. The only word I can think of that can do it justice is inspiring. He has outlasted and out played the best of the best, more than anyone. Unless you watch or play the game, you won't appreciate properly how relentless and physical a battle a 5 set elite game of tennis can be. 40 minutes at solid JBay has nothing on it.

Regarding GOAT status, I agree that he deserves that recognition. I've been watching him play for 2 decades now, and his ability to craft a victory despite a few early technical flaws is second to none. I've played a lot of tennis and even coached a bit back in the day, it's an epic, physical, ultra competitive sport. I gave it up for surfing though. The thing with a sport like golf or tennis, is that the result is way more important than it is in something like dancing or surfing. You can't argue against a golfer's technique if he keeps sinking the birdies can you.
The goal in tennis is to win the point, and half of the game is the defence of the point. Novak outshines everyone here, and has an enviable trophy cabinet to show for it.
His head to head against Nadal and Federer no less, says everything. He's outplayed them both, in their prime, to win the point, game, set & match. He won the head to head against both, including 5-1 over Federer in Grand Slam finals. Time to give the guy the respect he deserves. Results matter more in tennis, it's not subjective. There is no argument from me that Federer had the cleanest most beautiful style. Nadal was always my personal favourite. But Novak is the GOAT.

PS, I don't know what a flipper is, but did you hear Warnie used to visit Ashley & Martin. What must that have done to all the children's own self esteem

burleigh wrote:

flollo wrote:

Watching the GOAT at Rod Laver arena tonight was an incredible experience. Still going very strong at his veteran age. His health and body management should be a benchmark for any young, aspiring athletes.

Shhhhhh, this will upset the dill and AndyM who believe the only way to be alive is with medication.

Wipe your mouth, you’re dribbling shit.

Worth a few looks...

https://youtube.com/shorts/iW74nxroApU?si=q2QtLwecMBv1Hw0l

Roadkill wrote:

burleigh wrote:

flollo wrote:

Watching the GOAT at Rod Laver arena tonight was an incredible experience. Still going very strong at his veteran age. His health and body management should be a benchmark for any young, aspiring athletes.

Shhhhhh, this will upset the dill and AndyM who believe the only way to be alive is with medication.

You are closer than you think. It’s a fact of life for many. If I dropped my meds I probably wouldn’t last 6 months.

“Food is thy medicine” doesn’t work for all. Avocado and organic veggies don’t work for me.

Right where big pharma want you. Not dead but not alive. You’re the perfect customer. Now go get your 7th covid booster

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https://youtube.com/shorts/Quu_0yt1DtM?si=fZ7EgLTFgvpTUKCK

udo wrote:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Quu_0yt1DtM?si=fZ7EgLTFgvpTUKCK

Now I know why we gave Mel to the yanks. We got enough nutters here as is.

Mel is a yank.

Patrick wrote:

udo wrote:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Quu_0yt1DtM?si=fZ7EgLTFgvpTUKCK

Now I know why we gave Mel to the yanks. We got enough nutters here as is.

Sounds as pissed as a fart......but he had Rogan completely sucked in.

seeds wrote:

Mel is a yank.

Phew!

A Salty Dog wrote:

Patrick wrote:

udo wrote:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Quu_0yt1DtM?si=fZ7EgLTFgvpTUKCK

Now I know why we gave Mel to the yanks. We got enough nutters here as is.

Sounds as pissed as a fart......but he had Rogan completely sucked in.

I haven't watched the interview but I doubt it. Rogan usually calls malarky on those types of claims more likely he was just being polite,

There is more to this world than we often think. NDE's are fascinating. I read a book by this guy who tried to find a scientific explanation for them:

@seeds just found this live feed of the biggest ever gathering of humans:
https://www.youtube.com/live/aWhyN_C8PVQ

I wish we could see a shot from way up high.
Read an article the other day that explained the logistics needed to set up the infrastructure for this event. It was mind boggling.

It’s Not Just Red Dye No. 3. It’s All Our Stuff.

'We no longer use whale oil for lighting. Why use PFAS to make things nonstick? Time to demand healthier products.'

By Joshua Lachter // The Free Press

Last week, the Food and Drug Administration banned Red Dye No. 3—a coloring found lurking in everything from pastries to pills. Regulators banned it on the grounds that several studies have shown a worrying tendency for the dye to cause thyroid cancer in animals. Since 1990, it has been prohibited for use in cosmetics, but it has somehow persisted in food and medicine.

Relieved by the ban? Don’t be. Red Dye No. 3 is set to be replaced by. . . Red Dye No. 40, which in Europe comes with the unencouraging warning label: “May have an adverse effect on activity and attention in children.”

It’s hard to shake the feeling that synthetic dyes are just the tip of a very large and very troubling iceberg.

Nearly four years ago, I became a father and encountered a seemingly perfect living thing. But I quickly began to wonder what I unknowingly was feeding my daughter. Untold numbers of other Americans have felt the same wariness toward a food system that seems uniquely fortified with a witches’ brew of colorings, pesticides, preservatives, and sweeteners, often encased in packaging that leaches into the things we eat.

Many Americans are now backing parts of the MAHA agenda led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., President Trump’s pick to lead the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. This is not because his ideas are particularly political—the MAHA movement crosses all party and demographic lines—but because Americans are desperate to remedy the problem.

And it’s not just our food that needs to be fixed.

Synthetic fibers in our clothing shed microplastics during their increasingly short tours of duty. Everything from our water to our organs teem with detectable levels of multisyllabic compounds that don’t belong in our bodies. The air in our hospitals, offices, cars, schools, and homes envelop us in undesirable compounds emanating from cleaning products and air fresheners. All this stuff could harm our health. The supreme insult is that most of it performs no better than the same products from decades ago, despite our newfound chemical “enhancements.”

Part of the challenge with our current generation of stuff is that their damaging ingredients are now enmeshed in almost everything we touch, consume, or encounter. Never have so many ingredients been as invisible as they are pervasive. But their disturbing omnipresence does not have to continue.

We need a Great Reformulation.

If the cause doesn’t seem urgent yet, it’s because we’re only beginning to grasp the scale of the problem. Consider this: In 2023, researchers at the University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center tested the placentas from 62 women, and detailed their findings in a paper published last year. The result? Every single sample contained microplastics. Another study published in May 2024 (though still not peer reviewed) analyzed the prevalence of microplastics in cadaver brains. Relative to samples collected in 2016, researchers found that the accumulation of microplastics has skyrocketed in less than a decade, leaving the average American brain sample with concentrations of 0.5 percent plastic by weight. That’s about the weight of a pencil in your brain. Think about that.

We don’t actually understand what these substances mean for human health. Studies have shown how chemicals like BPA and phthalates (found in things like food containers and printed receipts) disrupt hormone functioning, and flame retardants (mandated in certain furniture) may degrade IQ in children. It’s possible their ubiquity is overblown. But given the choice, would you want to have any percentage of your vital organs contain any foreign matter?

The more you look, the more disconcerting the picture becomes. To take one example: Perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl substances (usually shortened to PFAS, but often referred to by the unsettling label “forever chemicals”) represent a class of nearly 15,000 individual chemicals that turn up in everything from dust to dental floss. This class of chemicals is almost certainly detectable in the water coming out of your tap; it is likely woven into the carpet under your feet. It’s becoming obvious that we can’t CTRL + F to search for all the toxic products and just delete our way out of all this. Only a fundamental reformulation will address the problem.

If we wait for years of painstaking research to show that a particular compound is harmful—only to replace it with other compounds—we will simply swap the shunned for the suspect. Instead of reverting from Red Dye No. 3 to Red Dye No. 40, why not try beet root extract? True innovation means rebuilding products balancing three core principles: performance, safety, and cost. We’ve been told that this is a kind of trilemma—that we can have only two of the three. In practice, this has often meant that cost and performance take priority, leading to toxic products on the market. Instead, companies must develop ingredients whose effects they understand at a cost customers can afford.

To be clear, companies aren’t intentionally trying to harm consumers—they’re trying to address challenges like function or cost. But if compelled to reformulate, history has shown that companies can do so efficiently and swiftly, creating products that are simply better.

To give just one example: Until 1978, lead was used in house paint to increase its durability and sheen. When we realized babies were eating lead chips from peeled paint, which caused brain damage, federal regulators promptly outlawed lead-based paint for residential use and removed it from paint supply chains. Ditto with asbestos (an excellent insulation material, but an instigator of lung disease, and banned in 1989). Good luck trying to find a homeowner who pines for the lead-covered walls of old. The ingredients that replaced lead performed much better without the heavy metal’s hazards.

Reformulation won’t happen overnight—and given the sheer pervasiveness of certain compounds like PFAS and plastic, it will require meaningful investment. But if the result is improved products and reduced toxicity, then companies should make the Great Reformulation a priority.

In small ways, the latest cycle of reformulation has already begun. In 2022, 3M announced that it would stop manufacturing PFAS by the end of this year. Foreshadowing the FDA’s action on Red No. 3, California banned six food dyes, including Red No. 40, from school food last September.

Reformulation is not just about reverting to more natural ingredients. Novel design and manufacturing tools—increasingly supercharged with AI—mean a new generation of optimal products that are high in functionality and low in toxicity. Think packaging wrapped in seaweed instead of plastic, apparel that stretches and wicks sweat powered by biomanufactured spider-silk yarn instead of petroleum-derived polyester, and skin creams mimicking human collagen rather than containing unpronounceable synthetic additives. We no longer use whale oil for lighting. Why use PFAS to make things nonstick?

The EU has stepped up to protect its citizens through heavy regulation, banning dozens of additives and chemicals in everything from pesticides to cereals—ingredients Americans are still allowed to consume. The same should happen in the U.S.

But I imagine that, given the cultural shifts before us, with the most sensible aspects of the MAHA movement going mainstream, companies will eventually embrace reformulation. That’s because their customers—more informed and discerning than ever—will demand better products by asking one simple question: What’s in it?

It’s been almost 120 years since Upton Sinclair published what remains one of the great works of guerrilla journalism, The Jungle. A fictionalized account of Chicago’s sprawling meatpacking plants, Sinclair’s descriptions of rat melangé and chemically tainted cuts of meat led to public uproar over an increasingly urbanized lifestyle and all that it wrought. The backlash led to changes that ensured greater oversight and control of the ingredients we consume.

RFK Jr. has the potential to do what Sinclair did in the early twentieth century: to shift the vibe, and spark the public into demanding companies remake their products for the twenty-first century. America cannot claim to be exceptional while making inferior, toxic products. The process will take decades to fully mature, but Americans have never been afraid to insist on better.

It’s time that we do that now, and demand a Great Reformation.

Anyone caught this last couple of nights? Last chance tonight. This was captured near Melbourne. Discovered last year. Last passed 160000 years ago. Next pass 800000 years in the future.

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Will have a look tonight seeds. Thanks for the reminder.

cheers @seeds, for viccos, to the horizon, slightly south of west apparently..

Been cloudy up here last 2 evenings. Tonight’s looking good so far but as I’m at work I don’t know if I can see low enough to the horizon.
Amazing no human has ever seen it and more than likely never will again.