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burleigh wrote:Ahhhhhh, Ice baths. Putting your body into a state of shock/death for 5 minutes everyday isnt going to help you in the long run.
You get an intitial buzz sure, feel great for a few hours sure, but the long term affects are not what you think.Putting your body into a state of shock everyday aint what your body is designed for. Fight or flight isn't good long term and will age you quickly.
Do them 3 times per week MAX and no longer than 5 minutes, anything beyond that is completely unnecessary.
Burleigh. Hi, hope ya well.
I’m with you all the way on this.
It’s generally accepted by medical practitioners that shock immersion in frigid liquid is not good for your heart and body whatsoever. It’s a hangover from sports science of yesteryear.
In fact the best training one can do is train in very high temperatures and then let your body cool at its own pace. I’m not a doctor, but you can find a lot of info on this subject at Dr,Google about the seriousness of cold shock treatment. Just my opinion.AW
Poppycock AW (all due respect).
I'm no doctor either, but you can find a lot of info on this subject at Dr, Google about the seriousness of exercising in extreme heat. Just my opinion. ICD.
icandig wrote:Poppycock AW (all due respect).
I'm no doctor either, but you can find a lot of info on this subject at Dr, Google about the seriousness of exercising in extreme heat. Just my opinion. ICD.
Cockypop to you to ICD. You’ll find most elite sports athletes don’t entertain the idea of ice baths anymore.
The idea of rapidly chilling muscles to encourage blood flow to those regions and the so called benefits are weighed up against cardiovascular risk, tachycardia for example.
For decades or centuries, countries in polar regions have been performing this cold act, sports physiologists are stepping away from the practice, I’ve a relative in this field who seriously knows his stuff .
Major sport codes are dishing the idea.
AFL, NRL locally, NFl in the US. all backing away from the cold immersion. Just my opinion.AW
I don't think you can separate the contemporary interest in cold water therapy from the contemporary efforts to sell things related to cold water therapy, and to commodify it all within the personal development industry. Nobody was lining up to get in ice baths in a pre-Instagram era, despite it being well known that footy players would stand in waist deep water in St Kilda the day after playing.
And though it can feel great afterwards and there's clearly plenty of mental health benefits if nothing else, as someone who is regularly in cold water because I live in Southern Tasmania I am going to wager that a lot of places that have cultural practices of 'being in cold water' probably would have just jumped in the tropical water if they had that available to them.
It all boils down to who you believe I suppose. I respectfully disagree with you and I question your relatives' opinion. I would be seriously grateful If you can point me to any reputable sources - I'm not rusted on and always happy to consider changing my mind.
Wim Hoff (who provides results from studies in his book); Susan Soeberg and Andrew Huberman disagree also. I know you can find opinions of both sides of the fence, but I'm happy with my own research and anecdotally obtained opinion. I have friends in both Denmark and Aus who have practiced ocean swimming mid winter regularly for years with no ill effects. It's invigorating and helps with mood, sleep and has many other reported benefits. Most importantly for me - "deliberate cold protocols can improve glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity" which as a 'pre diabetic' is why I started.
Here's one of my 'trusted' sources broken down into topics for easy consumption.
AlfredWallace wrote:icandig wrote:Poppycock AW (all due respect).
I'm no doctor either, but you can find a lot of info on this subject at Dr, Google about the seriousness of exercising in extreme heat. Just my opinion. ICD.
Cockypop to you to ICD. You’ll find most elite sports athletes don’t entertain the idea of ice baths anymore.
The idea of rapidly chilling muscles to encourage blood flow to those regions and the so called benefits are weighed up against cardiovascular risk, tachycardia for example.
For decades or centuries, countries in polar regions have been performing this cold act, sports physiologists are stepping away from the practice, I’ve a relative in this field who seriously knows his stuff .
Major sport codes are dishing the idea.
AFL, NRL locally, NFl in the US. all backing away from the cold immersion. Just my opinion.AW
Mmmmm. My son, who plays afl at the highest level and has done for 12years now, takes ice baths both at the club and at home.
seeds posted this the other day.. worlds largest fresh water ice bath..
basesix wrote:seeds posted this the other day.. worlds largest fresh water ice bath..
Nice. It'd be more impressive if he did it in his jocks though.
haha, he seems the sort that would happily do so if you dared him.
Hope he’s got a lock on the change room.
reckon he'd kinda bum himself from the inside?
Whahaahaa yep, it’d definitely be an inny!
anyone doing carnivore?. been off and on for a little bit, but whilst im on it i think is great. after a week all sugar cravings and any urges for processed junk are gone. all i want to eat is a fat salty steak and eggs
My housemate does it and his farts are truly foul and I'm glad I'm up earlier than him and don't need to use the bathroom after he has taken a shit.
wavie wrote:anyone doing carnivore?. been off and on for a little bit, but whilst im on it i think is great. after a week all sugar cravings and any urges for processed junk are gone. all i want to eat is a fat salty steak and eggs
I try to cram protein in most meals, but never tried carnivore.
Doesn't it make you're farts and breath stink a lot?
*edit...you beat me to it Dan.
^ Hahaha
- beware of the indian / mexican carnivore combo ;)
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&pp=ygUQaW0gdGFraW5nIGEgc2hpdA%3D%3D we currently eat about 10% of the fiber that we consumed as hunter/gatherers and subsistence farmers and crofters.. make sure you take your psyllium husks if you're doing a bbq only diet!
What does 'doing carnivore' mean?
A wholly meat diet..?
icandig][quote=wavie wrote:anyone doing carnivore?. been off and on for a little bit, but whilst im on it i think is great. after a week all sugar cravings and any urges for processed junk are gone. all i want to eat is a fat salty steak and eggs
I try to cram protein in most meals, but never tried carnivore.
Doesn't it make you're farts and breath stink a lot?
i hardly fart when on carnivore, but when on normal diet that includes proccesed shit mainly on the weekends my farts are horrible.
i did have a terrible experience on the toilet the other week that i thought may end in a visit to the hospital to get stitches, due to lack of fibre. have heard about the psyllium husk, will have to look into it
^ work up to 6 tablespoons of psyllium husks and a bag of woolies greens a day and you'll be right, the rest doesn't matter much.
If you haven't been having enough fiber for a while and want a cheap thrill, have a really good dose of castor oil. Then plan to have the day after the day after off from work. You will have a haunted look about you that day, your arse will be red hot, but the day after you will feel like my house does this week (just had the septic pumped and the flue cleaned).
The scatalogical thread!
Depends what your body is conditioned to.
When I travel for work, especially to the US, I’ve really got to overcompensate with vegies and non-processed foods to get gut health kinda normal. Wife certainly doesn’t appreciate the transition period.
A high red meat content diet isn’t great for my digestive system.
quite right, etarip, gotta work out your body and its things, as individual as individuals.. but getting fiber is a big one, amid all the fads and preferences.
^ and, not ideal, castor oil, done often, you kinda wipe out some good flora and bacteria with it.. just done in the same way you'd use antibiotics, you nuke a thing, then rebuild the cleaned but weakened systems.
re psyllium, I have a large plastic cup of psyllium husks each morning before my coffee. You have to get it all wet, or you'll be drinking fluff, and chug in within 6 seconds, or it will become jelly. It's just a shit thing you do, if you enjoy white bread, and don't have time or inclination to sit around gnawing on yams all day.
I have 6 tablespoons, but that's quite hard, I'd start with 2 tablespoons in a large glass (add the water ontop of the psyllium husks from a height, to get it all wet) chug quick!, refill the glass and chug quick! (the psyllium will expand and jellify in your gullet if you don't). Give a wide-eyed gormless look to whoever else is in the kitchen as you wipe your psyllium moustache, then start your day.
tip: I have heard that psyllium gums up dishwashers.. just give the glass a good wipe in the sink.
I don't do diets, however a few years back when Paleo was the fashionable thing I read a bit about it and some of the takeaway points stuck with me. Namely, that modern humans don't eat as widely as their forebears - the crux of Paleo being an attempt to recreate the primitive diet, as that's how our bodies (teeth, intestinal tract, gut flora) have evolved.
I've got a scientist mate who applies the same principles of Darwinian evolution to everything from child-rearing to footwear. 'Our ancestors are the evolutionary winners, so do what they did.'
Figure that all makes sense so try and apply it to diet, eating as widely as is possible, even if it's just a few bites of something here or there. Wouldn't carnivore go against that? (and hence against Paleo?) Contrary to some opinion, our ancestors didn't eat that much meat.
The pleasure of a psyllium assisted dropping of the kids at the pool is a stress free experience. Clean as a whistle too.
ps. Jelly said that, not me ;)
stunet wrote:I don't do diets, however a few years back when Paleo was the fashionable thing I read a bit about it and some of the takeaway points stuck with me. Namely, that modern humans don't eat as widely as their forebears - the crux of Paleo being an attempt to recreate the primitive diet, as that's how our bodies (teeth, intestinal tract, gut flora) have evolved.
I've got a scientist mate who applies the same principles of Darwinian evolution to everything from child-rearing to footwear. 'Our ancestors are the evolutionary winners, so do what they did.'
Figure that all makes sense so try and apply it to diet, eating as widely as is possible, even if it's just a few bites of something here or there. Wouldn't carnivore go against that? (and hence against Paleo?) Contrary to some opinion, our ancestors didn't eat that much meat.
yep, our teeth variety tells the tale
seeds wrote:The pleasure of a psyllium assisted dropping of the kids at the pool is a stress free experience. Clean as a whistle too.
ps. Jelly said that, not me ;)
Couple tablespoons of chia seeds and linseed soaked for half hour or so in water until jelly like. Add some Greek yogurt and prunes and honey. Mix it up and eat with your normal brekky. Washed down with a shot of extra virgin olive oil.
Hi andy, can you pre soak/prepare and store those seeds or they glug out and become a brick.
Also I rarely eat breakfast. Not hungry.
seeds wrote:Hi andy, can you pre soak/prepare and store those seeds or they glug out and become a brick.
Also I rarely eat breakfast. Not hungry.
I believe so, reckon could leave it in fridge and eat it when you like.
I usually soak them before my morning surf/ beach check and scoff down before heading to work.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I usually just scoff plain psyllium husk in a coffee mug real fast as basesix describes before first coffee. Easy to do when you’re not hungry. To save my dishwasher I clean said mug and use for my first coffee.
Getting used to swallowing it initially is hard compared to Metamucil but that’s full of sugar.
psyllium husk each morning, been doing it for years. I prefer the powder but you need to drink it quick, drink lots of water
Anyone get into the kefir?
Been having it with banana and honey for breaky for most of this year.
Dont feel any different but it’s meant to be great for gut health
If you already have a good whole food diet with a wide variety of fruit, veg and meats then it's probably not necessary. But if you like it, go for it.
Yeah the diets good. Try to eat as much stuff as possible that was alive or growing recently that’s had as little human interference as possible..
One vice is chocolate at night time once the kids in bed though. Can’t give it up, and don’t particularly want to! :-0
Kefir goes ok, some are hit and miss
Dark chocolate is a winner
- & can't go past sauerkraut I reckon, another goodie ;)
And I'll add, real kefir is fermented unpasteurised milk and what we have available in Oz is all from pasteurised.
This is the one I have ld
^ that one goes good.
I'm able to get raw milk off a dairy farmer.
- it's amazing stuff ;)
I got a lovely old polish neighbour
- she does homemade kefir, cottage cheese, kombucha, sauerkraut etc etc
Pickled veggies are another one
- all good stuff ;)
Yeh, it would be pasteurised.
Probably not much different to having yoghurt.
Sounds delicious!
How good are lovely old neighbours!
goofyfoot wrote:Anyone get into the kefir?
Been having it with banana and honey for breaky for most of this year.
Dont feel any different but it’s meant to be great for gut health
Wife was doing water kefir more a while which I really enjoyed.
Went away and lost culture so stopped. Think u reminded me to get her to start it up again.
You doing water or milk?
Edit just saw your other post.
BTW dark chocolate must be good for you, I'm having some right now after dinner. :)
goofyfoot wrote:Yeah the diets good. Try to eat as much stuff as possible that was alive or growing recently that’s had as little human interference as possible..
One vice is chocolate at night time once the kids in bed though. Can’t give it up, and don’t particularly want to! :-0
tooootally..
(my son has just bailed sugar so that's helped the guilt make me eat less)
Something like this....
basesix wrote:goofyfoot wrote:Yeah the diets good. Try to eat as much stuff as possible that was alive or growing recently that’s had as little human interference as possible..
One vice is chocolate at night time once the kids in bed though. Can’t give it up, and don’t particularly want to! :-0tooootally..
(my son has just bailed sugar so that's helped the guilt make me eat less)
It’s hard eh!
andy-mac wrote:Something like this....
Interesting Andy. Does it taste any good?
goofyfoot wrote:andy-mac wrote:Something like this....
Interesting Andy. Does it taste any good?
I really liked it, refreshing drink.
Some batches depending of fruit were better than others.
Frozen raspberries, blackberries and pomegranate were always good.
Can experiment with other fruit, didn't like it with mango or pineapple.
Our passion fruit vine went off one year and did heaps of passion fruit which was nice also.
We used raw sugar with culture
We've got a milk kefir culture going. The taste is like yoghurt mixed with drop of sparkling wine. It's good with fruit and honey but I wouldn't usually drink it straight.
Jelly Flater wrote:^ that one goes good.
I'm able to get raw milk off a dairy farmer.
- it's amazing stuff ;)I got a lovely old polish neighbour
- she does homemade kefir, cottage cheese, kombucha, sauerkraut etc etcPickled veggies are another one
- all good stuff ;)
busted, and you have a go at me for organic goon lol
;)
;)
- ummm no, the only thing busted is your attempt at some kind of fermented false equivalent, but keep clutching at straws goon boy ;)
Still not able to read rooms yet ;);)
- ya little squeaky trashcan test fart stench keeps lingering haha
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