2022 Election
Supafreak wrote:Optimist wrote:Morrison has one house he lives in and Albo owns four for five he rents out…not bad for an ex houso….good on him though as I don’t care…but I’m just sayin…..let’s keep in in perspective.
Scotty’s house has views of the abyss from the balcony though , is there a big market for that ?
Hahaha!
Not sure if this was posted already or not:
Tbf, found him engaging and interesting to listen to and on face value I can easily see the appeal
AndyM wrote:Just a final thought on that map the ABC was using for the Chinese spyship story.
I'm assuming the shaded area represents Australia's EEZ.
But why use that when it's not illegal under maritime law for a vessel to pass through another country's EEZ if it's not exploiting the resources?
Surely a map or chart showing the limits of Australia's territorial sea would have been more appropriate.Kind of points towards the ABC going for clicks or sensationalism at best, and at worst, who knows, maybe showing the journo's bias.
When the CCP themselves declare an unwelcome naval visit within the same distance of Chinese Mainland a sign of “evil intentions” , then it’s hard to think the reporting of CCP doing so to Australia as click bait alarmism .
Particularly when the US ship was in Taiwanese waters, not Chinese waters.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-uk-warship-taiwan-strait-evil-intenti...
China declares the same actions as “threat, provocation and destabilising peace” when it’s done to them. Should we not take their word that such behaviour is the hallmark of malice?
Anyone got background on Majorslast.com?
Are they trustworthy?
I’m intending to just replicate the example they recommend for my area. Surely this could be gamed to suit a particular party if the site is dodgy?
Ok, when someone starts with this I stop following:
'...Together they have collectively and gradually - wrecked the economy now with a $1trillion debt...'
Our economy is not wrecked and our debt is not big. Was it possible to achieve more for the debt we have? Yes. Was it possible to provide more help to those who needed it the most? Yes. Should we do more to fight the structural deficit? Yes.
But are we some apocalyptic banana state? Absolutely no.
Majorslast.com might have a noble objective but I cannot subscribe to a nihilistic populism. I need more substance.
Every day I see a lot of people who are doing really well. There is a lot of opportunity for optimism. Of course, there are also tragedies that could've been avoided and we need to do better so they don't happen again. But overall, constantly pushing the bad while ignoring the good is a terrible way to drive genuine change.
Unfortunately the good we have is waning and the remnant good exists despite the interjection of recent government , not due to them. We are a nation made rich through natural wealth and made happy and prosperous through a generous and hard working culture. The government of the last couple of decades have worked assiduously to undermine the nation we were. Just because we are still on our feet after they’ve done their best to send us to the floor is no reason to celebrate.
“I need more substance “
Yeah,nah. Count me out of the Big Australia Ponzi scheme thanks mate. That’s all the majors are offering.
It’s not like fraudenberg to mislead the public ……… is it ? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-16/fact-check-josh-frydenberg-emissi...
flollo wrote:Ok, when someone starts with this I stop following:
'...Together they have collectively and gradually - wrecked the economy now with a $1trillion debt...'
Our economy is not wrecked and our debt is not big. Was it possible to achieve more for the debt we have? Yes. Was it possible to provide more help to those who needed it the most? Yes. Should we do more to fight the structural deficit? Yes.
But are we some apocalyptic banana state? Absolutely no.
Majorslast.com might have a noble objective but I cannot subscribe to a nihilistic populism. I need more substance.
Every day I see a lot of people who are doing really well. There is a lot of opportunity for optimism. Of course, there are also tragedies that could've been avoided and we need to do better so they don't happen again. But overall, constantly pushing the bad while ignoring the good is a terrible way to drive genuine change.
I think the real problem in Australia is we have had it so good for so long, a whole generation that don't know anything else and many others that have forgotten the darker days.
You are aware that the it takes the average couple a decade to save the average home deposit in the largest capital cities now ?
Ten fucken years!
Never had it so good.
Thanks Ben Harding for putting that video of Clive up….I thought he spoke very well ….I definitely share his ideals that he spoke of.
DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:“I need more substance “
Yeah,nah. Count me out of the Big Australia Ponzi scheme thanks mate. That’s all the majors are offering.
I'm not against minor parties. But Majorslast.com has very limited, opinionated information as to why would someone follow their ideology. It's also not clear who is behind this website and what their involvement is. There are a couple of names that can be found on the website and by googling them, they seem to come from anti wax/lockdown/mandates circle of influence. Therefore, their need to put majors last probably comes from resentment against the government which imposed covid mandates. And for me, that's not enough. But I'm happy to keep listening in case there is better information than the one presented on the website.
Less than a week to go folks
Make your vote count to get rid of the worst and most corrupt govt in AU history
Vote labor and let it rip.
As Hunter S Thompson said staring at the ether, "Yeah, why not?"
Great to see Indodreaming has maintained such a high level of enlightenment courtesy of Australia's most objective media outlets.
flollo wrote:Ok, when someone starts with this I stop following:
'...Together they have collectively and gradually - wrecked the economy now with a $1trillion debt...'
Our economy is not wrecked and our debt is not big. Was it possible to achieve more for the debt we have? Yes. Was it possible to provide more help to those who needed it the most? Yes. Should we do more to fight the structural deficit? Yes.
But are we some apocalyptic banana state? Absolutely no.
Majorslast.com might have a noble objective but I cannot subscribe to a nihilistic populism. I need more substance.
Every day I see a lot of people who are doing really well. There is a lot of opportunity for optimism. Of course, there are also tragedies that could've been avoided and we need to do better so they don't happen again. But overall, constantly pushing the bad while ignoring the good is a terrible way to drive genuine change.
Stop talking so much sense flollo
flollo wrote:DudeSweetDudeSweet wrote:“I need more substance “
Yeah,nah. Count me out of the Big Australia Ponzi scheme thanks mate. That’s all the majors are offering.
I'm not against minor parties. But Majorslast.com has very limited, opinionated information as to why would someone follow their ideology. It's also not clear who is behind this website and what their involvement is. There are a couple of names that can be found on the website and by googling them, they seem to come from anti wax/lockdown/mandates circle of influence. Therefore, their need to put majors last probably comes from resentment against the government which imposed covid mandates. And for me, that's not enough. But I'm happy to keep listening in case there is better information than the one presented on the website.
Flollo, agree that website leaves one with a feeling of slight unease.
Definitely has an anti-vax anti-lockdown whiff about it.
It’s a shame because there are a stack of very good reasons why moving away from a two party system is a good idea.
First in my opinion both the libs and labor have become too ossified and far too compromised.
Second as I’ve said many times before the Westminster system is designed to promote a two party system. This might have worked okay 50 or 100 years ago when the electorate and politics more generally were much simpler and operated largely upon the traditional left right spectrum.
These days with a much more diverse country the two party system is simply not very well equipped to adequately represent what Australia has become.
Australia shouldn’t be afraid of moving towards a multiparty system in fact I believe it’s essential that we embrace it.
It seems we are heading in that direction anyway, support for the majors has been steadily dwindling for quite some time.
Longer term trends of diminishing support for the majors.
"The drift away from the major political parties reflects a continuation of long-term trends.
The Australian Election Study has asked a question on political partisanship, “Generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as Liberal, Labor, National or what?”
The long-term trends are presented in Figure 5.4.
Partisanship for the two major political parties reached its lowest level on record in 2019, with 30% of Australians identifying as Labor partisans, and 32% as Liberal partisans.
Partisanship for the Greens has risen over time, reaching 9% in the 2019 election.
The proportion of voters who do not align with a political party has reached a record high of 21%."
When you’re confronted with the fact that the country is likely to be plunged into depression if interest rates revert to historic average, then yes, we are living in an apocalyptic banana state.
old-dog wrote:Vote labor and let it rip.
Just be thankful they weren't in during Covid and are such a bunch of useless cunts they have only been in power 22 of the last 70 years.
History repeats and with interest rates rising they wont last long, especially when they start beating us over the head with their woke stick.
Thank god im going to Indo next month.
This is oh so true.
indo-dreaming wrote:old-dog wrote:Vote labor and let it rip.
Just be thankful they weren't in during Covid and are such a bunch of useless cunts they have only been in power 22 of the last 70 years.
History repeats and with interest rates rising they wont last long, especially when they start beating us over the head with their woke stick.
Thank god im going to Indo next month.
@info aka mickey-knee is getting more shrill and butt-hurt by the day and his fabled supreme leader hasnt lost the election - yet.
What a sook.
indo-dreaming wrote:old-dog wrote:Vote labor and let it rip.
Just be thankful they weren't in during Covid and are such a bunch of useless cunts they have only been in power 22 of the last 70 years.
History repeats and with interest rates rising they wont last long, especially when they start beating us over the head with their woke stick.
Thank god im going to Indo next month.
Getting emotional there Indo but wont cut it as a argument for the Coalition.
Been following politics since Whitlam this government easily the worse I have seen on many levels.
Albo is keen to get to Indo as well maybe you are both more alike than you realize...eh.
What’s going to be left of the Scott Morrison Party after this election and a federal ICAC ? Not much , they will spend next decade probably more in the wilderness R.I.P ….LNP
Supafreak wrote:What’s going to be left of the Scott Morrison Party after this election and a federal ICAC ? Not much , they will spend next decade probably more in the wilderness R.I.P ….LNP
Nah, they're not even guaranteed to lose. You should trust the polls no more than you trust politicians.
True. I’m currently sitting in a waiting room with a TV on in the corner. On the TV Scummo is giving a spiel whilst a couple of potato headed oldies nod their heads enthusiastically over his shoulder. In the only other occupied chair in the waiting room there’s a similarly potato headed old lady and she is also nodding her head in agreement. No accounting for political taste.
Supafreak wrote:What’s going to be left of the Scott Morrison Party after this election and a federal ICAC ? Not much , they will spend next decade probably more in the wilderness R.I.P ….LNP
Completely dreaming
A lot can change in politics in a very short time just look a Labor and Albo not long ago they looked completely unelectable, and only hard-core Labor voters would have believed Albo could ever be PM.
But now Australia will have its very own Biden an incompetent bumbling mess.
indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:What’s going to be left of the Scott Morrison Party after this election and a federal ICAC ? Not much , they will spend next decade probably more in the wilderness R.I.P ….LNP
Completely dreaming
A lot can change in politics in a very short time just look a Labor and Albo not long ago they looked completely unelectable, and only hard-core Labor voters would have believed Albo could ever be PM.
But now Australia will have its very own Biden an incompetent bumbling mess.
Nah mate the loose unit has got it all sussed , enjoy your holiday , I will be in the mentawi’s early June , WOOHOO
stunet wrote:Supafreak wrote:What’s going to be left of the Scott Morrison Party after this election and a federal ICAC ? Not much , they will spend next decade probably more in the wilderness R.I.P ….LNP
Nah, they're not even guaranteed to lose. You should trust the polls no more than you trust politicians.
I agree the election hasn't been lost yet.
To Supa's point about the LNP two points (1) a proper ICAC should see a number of LNP Ministers disgraced and forced to leave politics diluting even further the small talent pool. (2) the expected fight between the moderate and hard right factions of the Liberals and between the Liberals and Nationals will most likely go nuclear causing even more distrust and dissatisfaction in the eyes of the public. The LNP could well be unelectable for a decade or more and especially if Labor approach government and its reform agenda incrementally. Lots of balls in the air but one can only hope.
Don’t give up yet Indo, probably unlikely but if the LNP get in I’m going to laugh so hard and so long just thinking about some of these people on here. You’d swear they were getting paid by the Labor party or unions and probably are at that. As I said before, it doesn’t really affect me personally who gets in …but Albo the international statesman?…lots of numbers, facts and figures required there….they will probably roll him within 6 months as they do….interesting times ahead too with Penny Wong stating at the press club they are going to implement all the constitutional changes as well to aboriginal Australians which sounds good in theory but needs to be done really really right first go, something I think these people won’t think right through properly….. I don’t know, this current Labor crew are just not anything like Hawky or Whitlam, they are an odd bunch with a dogs breakfast of ideals and some suss characters and I reckon a proper ICAC will hang a lot of them out to dry as well….time will tell.
"You’d swear they were getting paid by the Labor party"
This is what so many people don't understand.
People might actually be anti-Labor but because the Libs are so reprehensible, it's incredibly easy to call them out.
They stink so bad.
Look at the graph I posted further up, BOTH the majors are on the nose - people need to understand that anti-Libs aren't pro-Labor.
AndyM wrote:"You’d swear they were getting paid by the Labor party"
This is what so many people don't understand.
People might actually be anti-Labor but because the Libs are so reprehensible, it's incredibly easy to call them out.
They stink so bad.
Look at the graph I posted further up, BOTH the majors are on the nose - people need to understand that anti-Libs aren't pro-Labor.
So who you voting for AndyM?
Andy, I actually like the freedom statements from Clive, the human rights bill etc etc. he’s saying everything right about value adding and manufacturing as well as taxing mineral exports more. I despise the big brother surveillance track the world is going down and the cashless system so I’m really keen to vote UAP this time….but it’s Clive….Clive….has he changed and had a revelation.?…there lies the mystery….he does seem genuine though when he speaks and he’s the only one who helped Israel Folau when everyone trashed his human right of free speech… ..so I dunno…maybe this is a new Clive….
Cue J J Cale.
from the last 2 years do any of you think the major parties will get less votes than previous elections?
Optimist wrote:Andy, I actually like the freedom statements from Clive, the human rights bill etc etc. he’s saying everything right about value adding and manufacturing as well as taxing mineral exports more. I despise the big brother surveillance track the world is going down and the cashless system so I’m really keen to vote UAP this time….but it’s Clive….Clive….has he changed and had a revelation.?…there lies the mystery….he does seem genuine though when he speaks and he’s the only one who helped Israel Folau when everyone trashed his human right of free speech… ..so I dunno…maybe this is a new Clive….
Cue J J Cale.
UAP & One Nation will be first and second for me this year with the majors dead last.
I dont care if it gives Clive Palmer more power, what do you think the current peanuts have done with the power they have been given,
Clive is the Australian Trump, just richer.
burleigh wrote:from the last 2 years do any of you think the major parties will get less votes than previous elections?
Absolutely, I think the swing away from the majors will continue.
burleigh wrote:AndyM wrote:"You’d swear they were getting paid by the Labor party"
This is what so many people don't understand.
People might actually be anti-Labor but because the Libs are so reprehensible, it's incredibly easy to call them out.
They stink so bad.
Look at the graph I posted further up, BOTH the majors are on the nose - people need to understand that anti-Libs aren't pro-Labor.So who you voting for AndyM?
Looking like Sustainable Australia in the Senate.
And, for the first time in maybe 25 years, I might vote Greens in the HOR, only because I want to see Mandy Nolan topple Labor's Justine Elliot.
To me, Mandy Nolan is a real person, I've seen her out on the piss, I've seen her round the traps as a comedian, I've read her newspaper columns for years and I think she's got real life experience and she's got proper common sense.
For someone who lives in Mullumbimby to be not just non-woke but anti-woke, anti-tin foil hat, is a pretty good start.
Not locked in with her but quite possible.
Wish she hadn't spammed me with that phone text (how do they get your number??), it was almost a deal breaker.
Supafreak wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:Supafreak wrote:What’s going to be left of the Scott Morrison Party after this election and a federal ICAC ? Not much , they will spend next decade probably more in the wilderness R.I.P ….LNP
Completely dreaming
A lot can change in politics in a very short time just look a Labor and Albo not long ago they looked completely unelectable, and only hard-core Labor voters would have believed Albo could ever be PM.
But now Australia will have its very own Biden an incompetent bumbling mess.
Nah mate the loose unit has got it all sussed , enjoy your holiday , I will be in the mentawi’s early June , WOOHOO
Will be heading out to the Ments as well haven't picked a time yet where are you headed SF?
Ok, we're getting down to brass tacks with this election, so I'm going to throw this out there.
This podcast is a Minefield/Waleed Aly one and is called "Can the ‘Sensible Centre’ Survive an Era of Ideological Extremes?"
It's a few years old but still has relevance.
The basic gist is this -
What are the political implications of this age of extremes?
Can democracy function effectively and well without common ground?
Voters may gravitate to more extreme candidates, but do extreme candidates make for good representatives?
If you haven't got time to listen to it, these are some of the take homes.
- It's important to appreciate that there are many different flavours of democracy.
- The Westminster system delivers a very strong two-party rule and isn’t very good at fully incorporating a wide range of views
- One out of three voters in the Senate cast their ballots for for a minor party and they are not getting representation in the House of Representatives.
- For example the Greens are getting upwards of 10% of the vote but only getting less than 1% of the seats in the House of Representatives.
- Interestingly, compulsory voting and a strong two-party system is supposed to guard against extremism and so this heading to the political fringes is all the more noteworthy.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/theminefield/can-the-‘sensible-centre’-survive-an-era-of-ideological-extreme/9614352
GuySmiley wrote:stunet wrote:Supafreak wrote:What’s going to be left of the Scott Morrison Party after this election and a federal ICAC ? Not much , they will spend next decade probably more in the wilderness R.I.P ….LNP
Nah, they're not even guaranteed to lose. You should trust the polls no more than you trust politicians.
I agree the election hasn't been lost yet.
To Supa's point about the LNP two points (1) a proper ICAC should see a number of LNP Ministers disgraced and forced to leave politics diluting even further the small talent pool. (2) the expected fight between the moderate and hard right factions of the Liberals and between the Liberals and Nationals will most likely go nuclear causing even more distrust and dissatisfaction in the eyes of the public. The LNP could well be unelectable for a decade or more and especially if Labor approach government and its reform agenda incrementally. Lots of balls in the air but one can only hope.
Regardless of the election outcome the future for the Liberal party looks ominous, more religious right could get voted in (was that the problems around pre selection NSW? )and so called moderates voted out continuing the lurch to the extreme right arla WA state Liberal Party and heading towards a US Republican style party.
WA as an example has seen state Labor as a result of the above smash the liberals with calls from older Liberal members calling meeting to save the Liberal party from the religious take over.
If Federal Liberal party lose it will be interesting to see if there are any recriminations against the religious right if not then the Liberal party is gone for some time.
Journo Chris Mitchell from The Australian believes that if the Libs lose, they need to move further to the right.
@I focus , going to a private camp ,it’s not a big name spot , it’s not advertised and is a invite only friend of friends set up . No safe anchorage so no boats really go there . Max 10 people allowed at a time . I’ve been told it’s not as good as maccas but close .
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this access to super for house deposit is basically "pork barreling", 6 days before vote the libs lob this out there and ppl can"t see it for what it is? vote buying.
allso that will be mega bucks passing through the banks et all. it will push up prices and inflation.
however if a buyer(s) will be paying far less mrge payments than rent???
labours idea is basicaly same outcome but better as your super is safe(ish)
libs allowed access to super re covid and used car prices went up and r.e.
Vaccine coercion turns voters off the majors https://spectator.com.au/2022/05/caccine-coercion-turns-voters-off-the-m...
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