2022 Election
"It's pretty funny really Dan went hard from day one trying to out do the other states you would expect with the outlook if we go harder than them we will do better than them, and the exact opposite happened.
It's almost like there was some god up there watching going, this guy ia nasty piece of work let's screw his plans up."
it is pretty funny
you've gotta wonder what he was thinking...
especially considering certain partnerships and influences... almost seemed like the vicco government were answering to a higher power for a while there...
personally i think all the premiers had a severe case of... deer in headlights / stick with what you know / bureaucratic inertia... and were often slow to adjust...
with dandrews being the biggest offender...which has now turned into public disatisfaction / outright contempt...
and geez, if the rest of oz didn't move on a bit, it seems he'd still be there, locked down chasing zero covid...
still!
the dude's a unit
The question to ask here is who is the fluffed and who is the fluffer?
May I respectfully suggest that the major difference in number of days locked down, infections and deaths etc was more to do with luck than anything else.
Sypkan’s right about the security guard fuck up in Melbourne. You could have used security companies to some extent, provided it was under the direct supervision of some hard nuts from police and health.
Gladys’ Ruby Princess stuff up was monumental, aided and abetted by ScoMo’s hands off do nothing policy, and an entirely inept border force that had Dutton in charge as Minister.
In terms of not learning from your mistakes, Gladys’ effort in late June this year takes the cake. Her hands off and don’t lock down attitude saw us all locked down for 4 months. Could have been two weeks. Learned nothing, too busy playing comparative politics with Dan Andrews. Probably too busy worrying about ICAC hearings to come.
So take yourself back 21 months. Early lockdown memories, mid March and work is still wondering whether to have us working from home. Me, I’m just awaiting the inevitable, wondering why university management was taking so long to work out what I could tell was coming.
Colleague voices shock at reading that we might be working from home until June, a whole 3 months away. It did seem shocking, in one sense, but on the other hand that was going to be the least of it.
Imagine if you were told then that in 18 months time we were hoping to come out of our last lockdown, that there would be yo-young lockdowns, lite, heavy and in between. Imagine that a vaccine would be developed in record time, 3 in fact with more to come. That there would be a godawful rise of vaccine and other conspiracy theories through it all, and that while you were locked down, every farker under the sun would be taking up both surfing and golf, making the local beach uninhabitable and the golf course a freaking circus.
It would have been hard to take, if you knew then what was to come. Lost my job in amongst all that, so there was some good news in there.
The wordsmith is at it again - 'The LNP bums were cheering the bin chicken on while she bent over and dry arse fucked the entire continent. Now they are trying to parachute the arrogant corrupt scumbag into Federal Parliament. They have no shame.' Gladys would no doubt speak highly of you too, vic, if given the chance. BTW did you push back?
Misogyny is never justified.
Hey Batfink, 1st post excellent. I might add in the competitive squabbling between NSW and Vic that while Gladys was doing hands off and don't lock down to show up the despised ALP rivals in Vic, Dan was locking down. Then, when it appeared it was beginning to take off in NSW and look terrible for Gladys, Dan stopped his lockdown and it seems to me did so as if to show his way was better. Everyone went yay in Melbourne, and then within 2 or 3 weeks the removalist infection had taken seed. Thus, when he had to go back into lockdown again, I think everyone gave up.
If he had not done this and instead kept the restrictions for that little while longer, the western suburbs delta cluster and the removalists one may well have been picked up before it went to the footy/rugby. I think he could have come out a bit later, but a lot, lot better and actually managed it. But he did make NSW look silly for those 2-3 weeks, so there's that. If I think of a point when things were bungled here in Vic, it's this moment, perhaps equal to the pc nepotism of the security guard stuff up early on.
It's not so much one political side or the other being the bad guy, but rather the policy differences being used as infighting weapons between them, that has been so frustrating to watch through this. Maybe Sustainable Australia could run the place better.
(I do enjoy watching WA continually pull the finger at 'over east' - this insularity seems to trump party allegiances. Works well in a pandemic!)
blindboy wrote:Misogyny is never justified.
Vic Local wrote:The LNP bums were cheering the bin chicken on while she bent over and dry arse fucked the entire continent.
Yeah that was pretty trashy even by VL aggressive potty mouth standards.
sypkan wrote:and geez, if the rest of oz didn't move on a bit, it seems he'd still be there, locked down chasing zero covid...
still!
the dude's a unit
Don't know about you, but it honestly was a big relief to know we had finally given up that pointless game and actually started to join the rest of the world in living with Covid.
"Don't know about you, but it honestly was a big relief to know we had finally given up that pointless game and actually started to join the rest of the world in living with Covid."
Rubbish.
Victoria was opening up no matter what when vaccination rates went up. We could have done that two ways. With a handful of cases (if gladys did a proper lockdown) or wth 1000 new cases a day because Gladys ignored the expert's advice. Victoria got the latter and had no choice in the matter. And if Scumo had actually procured the vaccines in a timely manner, this entire debate would have been irrelevant. That last long lockdown is the LNP lockdown, spread by arrogant Gladys and enhanced by incompetent Scumo.
indo-dreaming wrote:blindboy wrote:Misogyny is never justified.
Vic Local wrote:The LNP bums were cheering the bin chicken on while she bent over and dry arse fucked the entire continent.
Yeah that was pretty trashy even by VL aggressive potty mouth standards.
Geez, someone is now cherry picking his own blockhead when it comes to describing female politicians, seem to remember this smelly sea-square having lots to say about Gillard and Ardern.
"Greens senator Lidia Thorpe apologises for sexist comments directed at Liberal Hollie Hughes"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100668108
Inferred she was a slut. Nice.
Sexism in parliament is rife.
Thorpey even called a NT minister a white man when the minister is actually an Aboriginal female. Ignoramuses are in every party it seems.
"In NT Parliament last night Ms Uibo, an Aboriginal woman, said Senator Thorpe needed to get her "facts straight" after her speech in Canberra on Tuesday incorrectly assumed Ms Uibo was a male, who "hopefully" was white."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100136066
The dog noises directed at the female politician (forgotten who) was terrible. A disgrace. Parliament is a cess pit.
Vic Local wrote:spread by arrogant Gladys and enhanced by incompetent Scumo.
There is only one state leader that has been more arrogant than Dan and that was Kennett as for incompetent, there is no other politician in Australia that is as incompetent as Dan, the stats don't lie, more deaths under Dans watch than all the other states combined and even managed to get a world record on lockdowns.
And somehow he has managed to keep his job? .....it's just unbelievable.
Anyone else would have eaten humble pie and admitted they aren't up to the job and resigned months ago.
As for Scomo, fuck imagine having Dan ring you up every second month wanting more money because he has fucked up the Victorian economy and caused people to lose jobs and destroyed business, and then on top of that completely fuck up Australias stats alone.
Patrick wrote:"Greens senator Lidia Thorpe apologises for sexist comments directed at Liberal Hollie Hughes"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100668108
Inferred she was a slut. Nice.
Patrick wrote:Sexism in parliament is rife.
Thorpey even called a NT minister a white man when the minister is actually an Aboriginal female. Ignoramuses are in every party it seems."In NT Parliament last night Ms Uibo, an Aboriginal woman, said Senator Thorpe needed to get her "facts straight" after her speech in Canberra on Tuesday incorrectly assumed Ms Uibo was a male, who "hopefully" was white."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100136066
Worst women in politics so divisive, loved it when that NT Attorney-General called her out though.
Stats?
Try SpendMo’s ONE TRILLION DOLLAR debt and deficit disaster.
Thorpe at least put up her hand and offered a full and genuine apology without a but...
It's not like she was covering up rapes like your shitful LNP mob Indo Dreaming.
We definately don't need more "happy clappys" in our so called secular parliament.
Nah. Scummocchio is all over. The man in the street may not care too much for politics or politicians in depth but they’ve got no tolerance for a shit talking tubby cnt who runs from trouble.
BTW- Dont think that Scummocchio’s “cobber mate down-to-Earth All- Aussie “manufactured image is a one off either. Not when you think of the fluffing that went down when Albo called someone a boofhead.
He’s so relatable! Yeah, that chinless wonder with the baby smooth hands and the multimillion dollar investment property portfolio who’s never had a real job or lived further than you could chuck a skim soy latte from the Sydney CBD is so relatable to the working class Australians throughout our wide brown land.
But he had a single mum*!!!!!!!!!
* Who sent him to a private school.
"Nah. Scummocchio is all over."
We can only hope, then again as soon as he puts on a hi vis vest there's always a scramble to get a selfie with the smirking turd.
ALP (56.5%) increases lead over the L-NP (43.5%) to the largest since the last election as Morrison Government mired in infighting in final weeks of year. https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8878-federal-voting-intention-decembe...
Slightly encouraging but we should all know by now that those polls count for diddly squat.
United States tests positive for Barnaby Joyce. https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/12/09/united-states-tests-positive-for...
Public Deceptions
Public relations is fundamentally about deception. Its purpose is to persuade us that something is better than it is. It tells us that products are more useful, durable or reliable than they are but at the same time tells a much greater lie; that such products will make us happier. The entire unresolved, ongoing tragedy of consumerism rests precisely in our ability to be persuaded of that.
For corporations the lie is altruism. The message is that they are vitally concerned with our well being and that of the planet. Sadly, the vacuousness and obvious falsity of that claim has yet to diminish its effectiveness. For people, the lie is capacity, that they are worthy of the high position they hold, or to which they aspire. The effectiveness of this lie is similarly undiminished as is shown by the unsuitability of so many of our elected representatives for the positions they hold.
In a politically astute electorate, the election of a public relations practitioner to high office then should be impossible. The gap between the honesty expected of an elected representative and the basic dishonesty of the trade should be too great to be bridged. Yet here we are with Scott Morrison as Member For Cook, an electorate based on the Shire, that bastion of white, Christian wealth and privilege on the southern reaches of Sydney, best known nationally for the racist 2005 Cronulla riots.
Even allowing for the possibility that the majority of the electorate rejected the riotous and contemptible behaviour, there is not much to be said in defence of the electors of Cook. They have voted for Morrison five times and, by now, surely have a grasp of who he is and what he stands for. Yet whatever we think of the electors of Cook we can hardly blame them for the result of the 2019 federal election that confirmed Morrison as Prime Minister. The only available conclusion in that regard is that a majority of Australians of voting age are motivated by some combination of ignorance, indifference and naked self-interest.
As we lurch into 2022, our certainties shredded by the two years of pandemic, we know that things have changed but have no clear idea of what those changes are or what they might mean for our futures, individual or collective. Much has been obscured entirely or was seen only with peripheral vision as our focus locked onto the central obsession of the disease; its numbers, its distribution, its vaccines and treatments.
Issues which once would have been prominent for weeks disappeared into the small print. Sports rorts, rape allegations, the submarine debacle, car park rorts. And if the air cleared briefly, there was Morrison in high vis, spruiking distractions, waving a flag, castigating China or France, inserting “Australia” or “Australians” into every other sentence like a magical formula. Abracadabra! Everything that follows must be true! To dispute is to be unpatriotic. As if the words themselves somehow formed a truth serum. All demonstrating that while patriotism may not be the last refuge of scoundrels, it has long been the first refuge of incompetent political leaders,
So we now look forward to a federal election driven towards the infantile by the result of the last. When a party presenting clearly stated, and funded progressive policies can be beaten by party with nothing to offer beyond posturing (on electrical vehicles), appeals to the hip pocket nerve (franking credits) and more of the same malign neglect that has been characteristic of the coalition years in power, then what hope that things might be different this time? Why bother planning, funding and announcing policy when the majority is so easily distracted by the same tricks used to sell them their consumer desires and always seem to forget that there is no guarantee or refund policy that covers a dud government.
spot on blind boy, pathetic is an understatement. What have they achieved for the average australian? Not much at all. The cycle continues as does the bullshit.
Great comment Blindboy
I have great fear for Australia's future if Morrison is given another term. PR and political persuasion aside, he is a nasty piece of work. If Labor win, they need a ICAC and or royal commission into some of the sneaky crap this bloke and his mates have been up to..
Unless labor bring in a serious ICAC that takes out all corrupt politicians, Scumo's legacy will be the normalisation of corruption. Trying to parachute Gladys into Federal Parliament was a sick joke.
Sure Labor may lose a few MPs but a strong ICAC would take out dozens on the current LNP scum.
If the Libs win, god help us. Australia will have just given these bums a mandate to be as crooked as they want.
Vic Local wrote:Unless labor bring in a serious ICAC that takes out all corrupt politicians, Scumo's legacy will be the normalisation of corruption. Trying to parachute Gladys into Federal Parliament was a sick joke.
Sure Labor may lose a few MPs but a strong ICAC would take out dozens on the current LNP scum.
If the Libs win, god help us. Australia will have just given these bums a mandate to be as crooked as they want.
Agree 100%.
Needs to be permanent body set up that investigates and monitors all political parties and lobbyists in a open transparent manner.
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In terms of common decency, honesty and morality have we ever seen a more corrupt and incompetent government?
The fact that people and the media are saying it’s still Morrison’s election to lose speaks volumes about what this country has become after 30 years of mostly neo-liberal thought.
Aspiration and the politics exclusion with a constant eye to the right’s fabricate external threat(s) has change us irrevocably.
We need more than a federal ICAC with teeth, we need a decade or more of the LNP in opposition with incremental change back to good centre left/right government but the possibility of that happening is impossible to imagine right now.
“Aspiration and the politics exclusion with a constant eye to the right’s fabricate external threat(s) has change us irrevocably”
Disagree. I think Australians are still fair minded people and that’s why the duopoly majors have lost so much share of the vote despite the system basically ensuring that it’s impossible to avoid them. The rise of the independents says a lot.
It’s a very hard electoral system to navigate unless you’re well versed in exactly how to vote and even then the fucken Albos and the Scummos are going to get up.
I reckon the public, as far as they want to engage with politics, has had an absolute guts full of all of those clowns but there’s no real alternative.
I do agree that Australians have gotten much more YUPPIEFIED but it’s not a terminal case just yet. Give Australians a decent option and they’ll jump at it. The ALP is not a decent option and it’s a combination of factors - poor policy, poor ideology, poor leadership and poor parliamentarians. At the moment the only way Albo could get up is the Anti-Scummo vote. No one thinks Albanese is anything but a gender neutral wet towel.
Australia’s constant drift to the right is best illustrated by the fact most liberal state and federal leaders of the 70s-90s would not be even preselected by the party today such were their (in today’s terms) left leaning polices and thought.
GuySmiley wrote:Australia’s constant drift to the right is best illustrated by the fact most liberal state and federal leaders of the 70s-90s would not be even preselected by the party today such were their (in today’s terms) left leaning polices and thought.
Also ex Liberal politians speaking out against right drift such as Fraser, Hewson and Turnbull...
How the National Party can have such influence is part of a broken system. Get approx 5% of national vote (half that of the Greens) and yet have major influence on policy. Barnaby deputy PM FFS .... Be funny if not serious....
GuySmiley wrote:Australia’s constant drift to the right is best illustrated by the fact most liberal state and federal leaders of the 70s-90s would not be even preselected by the party such were their (in today’s terms) left leaning polices and thought.
I think the political class across the majors has drifted to the right but not so much the people themselves. The population knows that the mass immigration Ponzi scheme is a direct attack on Australians but they have no mainstream political recourse short of the mob storming Parliament House and ripping the ALP / LNP traitors out by the hair.
I don’t believe that if the neoliberalism that the duopoly majors stand for was explained to the electorate that a referendum would permit its continuance. The ALP / LNP exist due to their ability to deceive the public about their intent.
Australians aren’t stupid but I think that a significant portion of the community understands how the system is rigged against them by both sides of the parliament.
Australians aren’t right wing or left wing. They’re centrist, society minded and humane whilst being respectful of individual reward and motivation. That’s my honest belief.
The Australian people haven't drifted to the right? blowin, you have to be joking. Your rant following this statement is pure Hansonist white trash.
Howard normalised racism in this country, and you're the prime example of someone who would happily punish Labor because they don't share your racist fortress Australia ideology.
You hear the dog whistle loud and clear.
Vic Local wrote:The Australian people haven't drifted to the right? blowin, you have to be joking. Your rant following this statement is pure Hansonist white trash.
Howard normalised racism in this country, and you're the prime example of someone who would happily punish Labor because they don't share your racist fortress Australia ideology.
You hear the dog whistle loud and clear.
The Unions have fucked Labor….most people have zero respect for Australian unions and their interference in politics.
Labor supporters are pissing into the wind if they think a change of Govt is coming.
With respect Roadkill. The CFMEEU have fucked Labor. The standard union member is a nurse, teacher, paramedic etc. The LNP have successfully portrayed the standard union member as a heavily tattooed biker on $200K a year doing fuck all on a building site.
Vic Local wrote:With respect Roadkill. The CFMEEU have fucked Labor. The standard union member is a nurse, teacher, paramedic etc. The LNP have successfully portrayed the standard union member as a heavily tattooed biker on $200K a year doing fuck all on a building site.
Then Labor needs to prove otherwise. No use crying the LNP has portrayed the Union as thugs, if they do a better job painting the union as thugs so be it. Obviously the Labor marketing dept is not doing a good enough job.
"The Australian people haven't drifted to the right? blowin, you have to be joking. Your rant following this statement is pure Hansonist white trash.
Howard normalised racism in this country, and you're the prime example of someone who would happily punish Labor because they don't share your racist fortress Australia ideology.
You hear the dog whistle loud and clear."
the people haven't drifted to the right at all... they've been herded to the right economically by neoliberalism and a bit of aspiration... but labor is as much, if not mostly to blame for that...
as to the rest of your post, pure party man in the bubble bullshit...
it's morons like you and your warped perspective that pushes voters away from labor more than any hanson dog whistle. calling everyone racist... constantly blabbering about so called 'white supremacy'.... and a heap of your other perpetually triggered causes that haven't allowed - and still resist - any sensible conversations about immigration, population, and culture are what repel people from labor, the greens and a heap of sensible ideas
but you just keep on blaming hanson... it's an easy target that allows 'the left' to avoid any self reflection...
Roadkill wrote:Vic Local wrote:The Australian people haven't drifted to the right? blowin, you have to be joking. Your rant following this statement is pure Hansonist white trash.
Howard normalised racism in this country, and you're the prime example of someone who would happily punish Labor because they don't share your racist fortress Australia ideology.
You hear the dog whistle loud and clear.The Unions have fucked Labor….most people have zero respect for Australian unions and their interference in politics.
Labor supporters are pissing into the wind if they think a change of Govt is coming.
Agree, some unions such as the Mineral Council of Australia, BCA, and especially the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) are trying their best to fuck over normal Australians. They all get their helping hand from that great ex Australian, Rupert.
The union I belong to just ensures I have a reasonably good wage and representation at work.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well said Andy-mac
"Agree, some unions such as the Mineral Council of Australia, BCA, and especially the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) ...."
The IPA is a union ha ha ha! Another eggspurt opinion!
"Australians aren’t right wing or left wing. They’re centrist..."
All evidence points to a hollowing out of the centre.
ANU did some research showing the greatest shift from the centre ended up on the "Left", although I think this was more people identifying as "socially progressive" Left rather than anything else, though I'll have to dig into it.
The material Left are still nowhere to be seen, as class warfare goes on unchallenged.
Sad that at this time of the year you clowns can't give politics a rest. Circle jerking twats the lot of yas. PS Try to start 2020 with at least half an ounce of optimism
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