2022 Election
Vic Local wrote:"There will always be incidents where you have rogue soldiers, that life it's between them and defence force and has zero to do with anyone else."
Oh my ID, you really are clueless about how these things work.
The reason why you hear about the rogue soldiers isn't because the military are keen to prosecute their own. You hear about the rogue soldiers who murder innocent civilians because of people like Assange, brave whistleblowers and the media. did you see how long the SAS shitshow went on before we actually found out about the civilian murders?
What's painfully fucking obvious to everyone except people like you is our military does have rogue soldiers, our normal soldiers can't or won't blow the whistle on them, and our really brave soldiers go through the media and Wikileaks to expose war crimes. They often pay a very high price for exposing the uncomfortable truth. You'd like to lock them up, I reckon they deserve a medal and they play an important role in keeping our soldiers accountable.
I still reckon the main reason why you hate Assange soooooooo much is because he made you look at really uncomfortable things that completely clashed with your world view.
I dont hate Assange i just think he is a fool that played stupid games and just hasn't got all the stupid prizes yet cause a lot of then are waiting in the USA for him.
BTW. my old man went to Vietnam and has Vietnam Veterans mates with kids in the military etc, im going to take the shit ive heard from him snd his mates over the shit you spin on the topic, especially seeing it's been shown time and time again that you think you are an expert on pretty much everything but generally clueless on everything.
indo-dreaming wrote:Vic Local wrote:"There will always be incidents where you have rogue soldiers, that life it's between them and defence force and has zero to do with anyone else."
Oh my ID, you really are clueless about how these things work.
The reason why you hear about the rogue soldiers isn't because the military are keen to prosecute their own. You hear about the rogue soldiers who murder innocent civilians because of people like Assange, brave whistleblowers and the media. did you see how long the SAS shitshow went on before we actually found out about the civilian murders?
What's painfully fucking obvious to everyone except people like you is our military does have rogue soldiers, our normal soldiers can't or won't blow the whistle on them, and our really brave soldiers go through the media and Wikileaks to expose war crimes. They often pay a very high price for exposing the uncomfortable truth. You'd like to lock them up, I reckon they deserve a medal and they play an important role in keeping our soldiers accountable.
I still reckon the main reason why you hate Assange soooooooo much is because he made you look at really uncomfortable things that completely clashed with your world view.I dont hate Assange i just think he is a fool that played stupid games and just hasn't got all the stupid prizes yet cause a lot of then are waiting in the USA for him.
BTW. my old man went to Vietnam and has Vietnam Veterans mates with kids in the military etc, im going to take the shit ive heard from him snd his mates over the shit you spin on the topic, especially seeing it's been shown time and time again that you think you are an expert on pretty much everything but generally clueless on everything.
Vietnam eh? Now there's a war where there wasn't one single war crime. All that long box dropping of napalm didn't hurt a single civilians. Oh and free fire zones were the same. Now I know that last sarcastic sentence is going to shit you big time. It doesn't mean it's wrong though.
And once again, we only know this because of whistleblowers exposing war crimes on a massive scale.
BTW I've got a lot of sympathy for our troops in that war especially those who were conscripted. They were sold a lie and a one way ticket to that shitshow.
Scomo's finest hour...(Friday 9:00 / 21st Jan 2022 Davos World Economic Forum)
tbb will tee up this Vid for PM' followers...can our PM win over the crew with his best speech!
PM is not seen as world wise, more world villain...our weakest link...(Does it need a Warning!)
Tell us tbb...Who are we going to War with next Week?
Don't be silly...gulp!
Speech is a bit blustery but solid enough...Q&A looks set up, but Daggy Dad holds his own.
Labor will study this Vid...mostly because they know, that the PM can be sharp & is no push over.
Excellent notes & bullet points make for a very formidable tuff to beat Election Speech.
Sure! He stumbles a bit...but it's all very natural & these stutters actually iron out his Bully persona.
You kinda know that he's a Bully but he's OK kept on a leash...out on the Patio! Yours! Not mine! Ok then!
Again! This vid shows PM at his best...he is Australia's PM so that reflects well on us...Maybe! A joke!
tbb will stop short of a salute but thinks we should share his Vid with the crew that might like this!
Anyhow! Introducing our PM that didn't embarrass us on the World stage...(Impossible, you say!)
Just saying, if this was PM's pitch to Voters...he's not outta the race & will present large on the day!
https://www.weforum.org/events/the-davos-agenda-2022/sessions/special-ad...
ol' clive going hard on the anti lnp sentiment...
reckons he's poached a bunch of greenies too
geez I might just give him a generous number myself...
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=480828693399288&id=100044164...
I reckon Clive will have a big showing this election
Roystein wrote:I reckon Clive will have a big showing this election
Has he paid what he owes to his mine workers yet?
Roystein wrote:I reckon Clive will have a big showing this election
What Clive, Hanson, Kelly, the DLP, and other nutter micro parties are fighting for is the idiot vote. The 5-7% of the population that are racist, anti-vax, anti-govt or just plain stupid. You know the people who vote for the UAP because they saw a billboard and like the colour yellow.
In the lower house, this vote will be funnelled through preferences to the LNP. The moron vote is too stupid to understand the voting system so they get played. These idiots suck up all the anti-govt rhetoric, and then end up voting to the actual people in power.
In the Senate the alt-right scum are fighting it out for the 6th spot in the states. They will all preference each other hoping to get enough for a quota. This is highly unlikely to happen in Tas, Vic, SA. 50:50 in WA and NSW and close to 100% in QLD. Those folk north of the Tweed usually send at least one absolute fruitcake to Canberra.
If it's Clive, and he doesn't have the BOP, that fat bastard will sit there at tax payer's expense, impotent for a while before punting his chair-warming job onto some other LNP stooge.
"What Clive, Hanson, Kelly, the DLP, and other nutter micro parties are fighting for is the idiot vote. The 5-7% of the population that are racist, anti-vax, anti-govt or just plain stupid..."
i think you might need to update your broken record narrative numbers there champ...
big clive just told me he has 80 000 members... 'biggest party in australia' ... 'bigger than labor and liberal'...
by members...
i reckon hanson and clive are fighting over way way more than any ridiculous propagandaist figure of 5%...
but you keep telling yourself that champ... positive affirmations are important... until they're not....
oh yeh, he also said he's got thousands of former greens voters as members... bloody racists!
can't wait for this election... shaping up to be a doozy... in so many ways...
"big clive just told me he has 80 000 members... 'biggest party in australia' ... 'bigger than labor and liberal'...
by members..."
Absolutely hilarious sypkan. And you believe Clive?
There's no checks or balances in his sign up form mate. It's free too. I signed up as Clive Isafatbastard and also as Juan Ina Milyon.
Anyone who believes Clive palmer's crap has absolute shit for brains.
As I read elsewhere, perhaps the best way to set Australia’s wayward democracy back on course isn’t to hope that millions of Australians vote independent, so that the duopoly major parties get relegated to the dustbin.
Maybe our best tactic is to reclaim the ALP from the ground up with a grassroots members drive and oust the current clowns that way. Apparently it’d only take about 50,000 people to be able to completely reclaim the party from the unrepresentative careerist shit bags who have usurped the political voice of the working class for their own selfish interests.
Imagine an ALP which cans the Big Australia mass immigration Ponzi scheme and kicked the neoliberal privatisation model for good.
BTW sypkan, I'm pretty sure Biccus Dickus and Incontinentia Buttocks are members of the UAP too.
I believe you like 'the saturday paper' as a source...
"Palmer’s UAP now largest party by membership"
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/10/16/palmers-uap...
how do you do it?
so so consistently wrong, ...all the time....
is it art?
a pisstake?
blind faith ideology?
the drive to push propaganda so strong you just don't care?
you're dumb?
...thick as two short planks genuinely struggling?
serious questions... it intrigues me...
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/clive-palmers...
No mate, it's being in touch with reality.
Palmer the least like politician in Australia with only 8% favourable view.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/palmer-hanson-joyce-lead-the-lis...
I wouldn't take too much notice of polls like least liked, it just means people either love or hate them, while many other politicians are so vanilla nobody cares less about them either way.
Also a lot of people could just end up voting for someone like Clives party, just because they dont want to vote Labor, LNP or Greens and just want to stick it to the man type thing and whatever party they know is anti majors they will vote for.
It's an interesting read to read FB comments on United party post, they aren't the type of people you might expect they are, just everyday Aussies that most likely dont have any real right or left leanings and would never have voted for Clive before Covid.
Going to be interesting
dude, 80 000 members or not?
australia's largest party or not? (by members)
moving goalposts doesn't change reality...
Vic Local wrote:Roystein wrote:I reckon Clive will have a big showing this election
What Clive, Hanson, Kelly, the DLP, and other nutter micro parties are fighting for is the idiot vote. The 5-7% of the population that are racist, anti-vax, anti-govt or just plain stupid. You know the people who vote for the UAP because they saw a billboard and like the colour yellow.
In the lower house, this vote will be funnelled through preferences to the LNP. The moron vote is too stupid to understand the voting system so they get played. These idiots suck up all the anti-govt rhetoric, and then end up voting to the actual people in power.
In the Senate the alt-right scum are fighting it out for the 6th spot in the states. They will all preference each other hoping to get enough for a quota. This is highly unlikely to happen in Tas, Vic, SA. 50:50 in WA and NSW and close to 100% in QLD. Those folk north of the Tweed usually send at least one absolute fruitcake to Canberra.
If it's Clive, and he doesn't have the BOP, that fat bastard will sit there at tax payer's expense, impotent for a while before punting his chair-warming job onto some other LNP stooge.
Was nothing more than a gut feeling predication. If I needed to quantify it then it’s based on:
* he is well resourced
* he is strategic
* general malaise with the two party system
* knowing of one example (two degrees separated from me) of a young successful business man with progressive thinking, leaving his successful company (as in the one he owns) to run for Palmer in the House of Reps, largely off the back of his disillusionment with the handling of the pandemic and general unease with overreaching governments. Many more like him increasingly in the key sectors impacted by the pandemic such as health, education and hospitality based on the general chat I am hearing around the place.
As if markymark hasn’t got enough on his plate. What happened to zoom for this type of thing ?
Premier McGowan and Attorney General Quigley have been ordered by Justice Michael Lee to travel to NSW to give evidence in a defamation trial against Clive Palmer in February.
— 10 News First Perth (@10NewsFirstPER) January 25, 2022
The mining giant is suing McGowan for describing him as “the enemy of the state”. pic.twitter.com/r4hj3YG89v
Ha ha this is Gold
Truly ironic.
And on other matters…
Watched Albos press club speech….need I say anymore….You guys can bag Morrison and team all you like and on some points I agree…but the team is pretty good and this is our countries management at stake and unfortunately I just can’t see any other players that are better at present. ….and like Forrest…that’s all I’m gonna say bout that.
Optimist wrote:Watched Albos press club speech….need I say anymore….You guys can bag Morrison and team all you like and on some points I agree…but the team is pretty good and this is our countries management at stake and unfortunately I just can’t see any other players that are better at present. ….and like Forrest…that’s all I’m gonna say bout that.
Is it the corruption or incompetence of the pretty good LNP team the better attributes you are referring to?
What i find scary about this pandemic is how even a LNP government approach has been so draconian in nature and seen us critiqued on a world stage for our lack of freedoms, extended lockdowns etc.
Now imagine if Labor had been in, it would be up another level and we honestly could have still had borders shut for years and been in a never ending cycle of lockdowns.
I think the swinging voters out there really need to think seriously about this aspect.
Off course if you re some mug like VL, being lock downed in a bubble until 2025 would be their dream.
McGowan’s letting all international “students” into WA. What a dog.
indo-dreaming wrote:What i find scary about this pandemic is how even a LNP government approach has been so draconian in nature and seen us critiqued on a world stage for our lack of freedoms, extended lockdowns etc.
Now imagine if Labor had been in, it would be up another level and we honestly could have still had borders shut for years and been in a never ending cycle of lockdowns.
I think the swinging voters out there really need to think seriously about this aspect.
Off course if you re some mug like VL, being lock downed in a bubble until 2025 would be their dream.
Or maybe we would have been vaccinated 6 months earlier and been prepared with available free RAT's for inevitable living with Covid.
Maybe grocery stores would not have had supply chain issues.
And maybe some companies that still made a profit did not get billions in tax payer dollars.
Maybe the university sector would have have adequate support.
Maybe a gas lead recovery of LNP donors would not be seen a best way to recovery, but a sustainable package.
Yep lucky we had the adults in charge...
What is debt now, up to $trillion? Debt and deficit disaster squawk squawk!!!
If it was not for the State governments (of both political parties) standing up to the do nothing Morrison govt we would have been farked.
Remember it was not a race and I'm off to the footy!!!
Geez the prick went for a Hawaiian holiday in middle of fire emergency.
Yep the quiet Australians have a bit to think about..
andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:What i find scary about this pandemic is how even a LNP government approach has been so draconian in nature and seen us critiqued on a world stage for our lack of freedoms, extended lockdowns etc.
Now imagine if Labor had been in, it would be up another level and we honestly could have still had borders shut for years and been in a never ending cycle of lockdowns.
I think the swinging voters out there really need to think seriously about this aspect.
Off course if you re some mug like VL, being lock downed in a bubble until 2025 would be their dream.
Or maybe we would have been vaccinated 6 months earlier and been prepared with available free RAT's for inevitable living with Covid.
Maybe grocery stores would not have had supply chain issues.
And maybe some companies that still made a profit did not get billions in tax payer dollars.
Maybe the university sector would have have adequate support.
Maybe a gas lead recovery of LNP donors would not be seen a best way to recovery, but a sustainable package.
Yep lucky we had the adults in charge...
What is debt now, up to $trillion? Debt and deficit disaster squawk squawk!!!
If it was not for the State governments (of both political parties) standing up to the do nothing Morrison govt we would have been farked.
Remember it was not a race and I'm off to the footy!!!
Geez the prick went for a Hawaiian holiday in middle of fire emergency.
Yep the quiet Australians have a bit to think about..
I get that you probably really do believe things would have been different or even better, but honestly i think you are kidding yourself and it's just as likely things could have been worst, reality is its a pandemic the whole system isn't designed to deal with a pandemic no country on earth is and all countries hit with Covid (99.9% of the world) have all kinds of issues some much worst than Australia and there isn't magical solutions to many of these problems.
In my own opinion probably the most important thing though has been the change of approach and mind set in the last few months and im not convince the change of mindset would have come so quickly under a Labor government.
I still think we need a change in midest on some aspects though and find a sensible middle ground, for instance i think this push to vaccinate children isn't right and is just fuelling an unrealistic fear in parents, if we look at things from a data and science perspective children are at such a tiny risk and vaccines are not preventing transmission, the money and focus would be much better spent focussing on higher risk groups where there really is risk.
But hey nobody is perfect and no government is, even in Singapore it hasn't been all smooth sailing.
indo-dreaming wrote:andy-mac wrote:indo-dreaming wrote:What i find scary about this pandemic is how even a LNP government approach has been so draconian in nature and seen us critiqued on a world stage for our lack of freedoms, extended lockdowns etc.
Now imagine if Labor had been in, it would be up another level and we honestly could have still had borders shut for years and been in a never ending cycle of lockdowns.
I think the swinging voters out there really need to think seriously about this aspect.
Off course if you re some mug like VL, being lock downed in a bubble until 2025 would be their dream.
Or maybe we would have been vaccinated 6 months earlier and been prepared with available free RAT's for inevitable living with Covid.
Maybe grocery stores would not have had supply chain issues.
And maybe some companies that still made a profit did not get billions in tax payer dollars.
Maybe the university sector would have have adequate support.
Maybe a gas lead recovery of LNP donors would not be seen a best way to recovery, but a sustainable package.
Yep lucky we had the adults in charge...
What is debt now, up to $trillion? Debt and deficit disaster squawk squawk!!!
If it was not for the State governments (of both political parties) standing up to the do nothing Morrison govt we would have been farked.
Remember it was not a race and I'm off to the footy!!!
Geez the prick went for a Hawaiian holiday in middle of fire emergency.
Yep the quiet Australians have a bit to think about..I get that you probably really do believe things would have been different or even better, but honestly i think you are kidding yourself and it's just as likely things could have been worst, reality is its a pandemic the whole system isn't designed to deal with a pandemic no country on earth is and all countries hit with Covid (99.9% of the world) have all kinds of issues some much worst than Australia and there isn't magical solutions to many of these problems.
In my own opinion probably the most important thing though has been the change of approach and mind set in the last few months and im not convince the change of mindset would have come so quickly under a Labor government.
I still think we need a change in midest on some aspects though and find a sensible middle ground, for instance i think this push to vaccinate children isn't right and is just fuelling an unrealistic fear in parents, if we look at things from a data and science perspective children are at such a tiny risk and vaccines are not preventing transmission, the money and focus would be much better spent focussing on higher risk groups where there really is risk.
But hey nobody is perfect and no government is, even in Singapore it hasn't been all smooth sailing.
I agree with your points re vaccination of kids and mind set changing. However I believe, (opinion) that a Labor govt would have handled organisation and logistics better. Eg. Job keeper etc were essentially Labor, Greg Comber and Union ideas that were implemented by govt and then aspects stuffed up such as profitable companies keeping tax payer $$.
It would not have been perfect, but I reckon better. Really the States ran the show while Morrison sat back and took credit for things that went well and blamed others when they didn't...
I think the mindset would have changed no matter who was in govt once vaccine roll out occurred...
Everyone I know from any political persuasion is over lock downs and Covid...
I won't comment on Covid thread but yep, I cannot agree with mandatory vaccination if it does not reduce spread.
Michael Adam wrote:McGowan’s letting all international “students” into WA. What a dog.
hahaha
so fucking typical!
people waiting years, literally, to visit family...
time to tear shit up
"Everyone I know from any political persuasion is over lock downs and Covid..."
yep
that does seem to have great difficulties penetrating the labor brains trust though...
Hey Indo, I found this the other day - you lose it?
Is he really still around?.
Ha ha sorry ive never voted for him or that party or even considered it.
Funny how people picture others.
I think last time i voted was the first time ever I've voted conservative, i put One Nation first, with LNP second, i don't agree with half of One nations policies, but it was more a protest type vote because Aljazeera media went after Pauline, i just hated the fact they were trying to mess in our politics did it right before and election.
I will probably just vote LNP number one this time, for the first time ever.
Most people i speak to love Mcgowans lockout policies but there are some people who hate him. Probably been stuck here away from families im guessing but i reckon he has done a great job keeping WA relatively covid free.
Even Scott Morrison calling him names hasn't faded him. I wont be voting for Scott next election.
indo-dreaming wrote:Is he really still around?.
Ha ha sorry ive never voted for him or that party or even considered it.
Funny how people picture others.
I think last time i voted was the first time ever I've voted conservative, i put One Nation first, with LNP second, i don't agree with half of One nations policies, but it was more a protest type vote because Aljazeera media went after Pauline, i just hated the fact they were trying to mess in our politics did it right before and election.
I will probably just vote LNP number one this time, for the first time ever.
Just stirring you Indo, you're pretty right-wing but The Reverend Fred doesn't seem like your cup of tea.
Found this buried under some shit at work and it's just too funny to throw out.
Fred use to be loopy on scheme of things, in Morrison govt he would be classed as a lefty!! Haha...
haha The Rev was a classic.
Joh for PM (RIP)
No sign of a comeback from Mr Trumble.
How bloody good :/
EXCLUSIVE: RATs mess - pharmacists say PM's ‘free’ rapid antigen test scheme is asking them to hand out stock for free and $10 rebate is no longer covering wholesale cost amid price spike. Rebate won't be paid until end of Feb https://t.co/HFUwisbyh2 via @newscomauHQ
— Samantha Maiden (@samanthamaiden) January 27, 2022
Then add staffing costs on top of the wholesale price too
Just read it - +$4.30 for handling.
Not sure that covers it or not.
Doubt it.
I don't hold a RAT mate.....
Who are the fuckwits who voted these arseholes in?
I've always had a theory that anyone who votes for the LNP are either:
a/ evil, in that they know what they are voting for and actually support it (cuts to healthcare, aged care, education etc, corruption, dodgy contracts for their 'mates', increasing military spending (the list goes on).
or: b/ Really fucking stupid, like serious brain-injury stupid, in that they believe the propaganda BS from "scotty from marketing". Or religious stupid, they vote for them because they're christian too.
They've done absolutely NOTHING for aged care, except cut funding. Even after the Royal Commission, even with covid spreading. And now they try to stop the exodus of staff with a $400 cash payment. And "we can't increase wages because the industry can't sustain it"? Of course it can't sustain it you idiots keep cutting funding. They hand over $40 billion of taxpayers money to profitable private corporations, yet nothing for aged care. Minimum wage is only $21 an hour or something, junior check-out chicks get paid more. Staff are leaving in droves, elderly people are being neglected. All facilities that I know of are down at least several staff per shift. And no it's not from vaccine mandates, the anti-vaxxers left the industry a few years ago when they brought in yearly mandatory flu shots.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-01/unions-slam-aged-care-cash-paymen...
"They hand over $40 billion of taxpayers money to profitable private corporations, yet nothing for aged care."
This c### walked into work the other day and started mouthing off about how he supports small government and how the government should stand back and let the market do its thing with regards to RATs.
Fella obviously had no idea what he was talking about.
I wondered if he'd heard it somewhere and was just trying to sound knowledgeable or be controversial.
Imagine letting the likes of Gerry Harvey corner the market.
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gragagan wrote:Who are the fuckwits who voted these arseholes in?
I've always had a theory that anyone who votes for the LNP are either:
a/ evil, in that they know what they are voting for and actually support it (cuts to healthcare, aged care, education etc, corruption, dodgy contracts for their 'mates', increasing military spending (the list goes on).
or: b/ Really fucking stupid, like serious brain-injury stupid, in that they believe the propaganda BS from "scotty from marketing". Or religious stupid, they vote for them because they're christian too.They've done absolutely NOTHING for aged care, except cut funding. Even after the Royal Commission, even with covid spreading. And now they try to stop the exodus of staff with a $400 cash payment. And "we can't increase wages because the industry can't sustain it"? Of course it can't sustain it you idiots keep cutting funding. They hand over $40 billion of taxpayers money to profitable private corporations, yet nothing for aged care. Minimum wage is only $21 an hour or something, junior check-out chicks get paid more. Staff are leaving in droves, elderly people are being neglected. All facilities that I know of are down at least several staff per shift. And no it's not from vaccine mandates, the anti-vaxxers left the industry a few years ago when they brought in yearly mandatory flu shots.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-01/unions-slam-aged-care-cash-paymen...
Nail on head!
My wife just finished up working in aged care. The work they do from wiping arses, copping abuse, being under staffed, offering emotional support, lifting and bathing people, feeding, and basically being run of their feet every shift for just over $20 an hour is a farking joke .. Double the amount is still not enough!
She won't be going back, and she got into industry not from financial necessity but wanted to help oldies and do her bit.
People like Roadkill are who votes the LNP back in.
Blowin wrote:People like Roadkill are who votes the LNP back in.
Swing voter actually. Have voted for both the main parties.
Looks like I jumped the gun there SF trying to help out :-)
@I focus, that’s uncanny how we posted same meme minutes apart , geez slippery scotty copped it today at the press meeting, tingles questions were very uncomfortable and the bloke asking if he new the price of bread, milk and Rat was hilarious. https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/02/01/morrison-press-club-address-criticism/
My wife works in aged care, yeah it's low paid work and like anyone she would love a higher hourly rate, and i have no idea how she can wipe old peoples arses etc.
But lets be real it's low skilled work, you can basically walk in with no qualifications just a police check and bamm you have a job and secure work all year round, holiday pay, long service leave and although a crap hourly rate it always goes up a little and the big bonus is salary sacrifice and there always seems to be little perks like this recent payment plus better money on weekends and public holidays.
Compared to other low paid jobs she has done (or i did when young) its heaps better in many ways, for instance anything in the hospitality industry (she did lots of house keeping) is much worse just because its so insecure one month you are working your arse off, next month you barely get enough hours to pay bills, and no holiday pay, no long service leave and no real perks other than some better rates on weekends or public holidays.
Its just life low skilled jobs will always be lower paid than higher skilled jobs.
Me and my mates whinged about it for years, before saying fuck this and went out and did other things by getting more skills or creating businesses
.