2022 Election
GuySmiley wrote:GuySmiley wrote:Nice bland white bread post there info my reading of the protests is that it’s the permanent angry among us that are doing it ie men over 50 adverse to any change or reason
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/disaffected-and-mad-as-hell-p...
BTW. Just reading your article
John Scales, founder of JWS Research, told The Sunday Telegraph recently that the type of voter who’d back Palmer – and his new friend Craig Kelly – was rapidly changing.
"In 2019 UAP voters tended to be men, aged over 65, who were voting against another party. They were also more likely to have a low education, be unemployed or on a low income.
But, Scales said, they are now more likely to be under the age of 54 and made up of skilled labourers and lower-end middle-management."
Same same everywhere no matter how you blow it out your flue gents, no matter the issue nor place same same angry mob, same gendered/aged group threatened by change or something, anything .... fuelled by the open university and its self taught experts on social media
"There's a reason why lefties shun anti-vaxxers. We generally don't tolerate anti-science opinions that are dangerous to everyone's health. That type of selfish and profoundly stupid individualism is very much a right wing thing."
You're talking absolute dogshit.
GuySmiley wrote:Same same everywhere no matter how you blow it out your flue gents, no matter the issue nor place same same angry mob, same gendered/aged group threatened by change or something, anything ....
Ha ha even a video and photos can't change you mind, just like VL.
Id be putting my money on it that most of these people havent even protested before or if they have it was long ago, most protest before Covid were made up of younger people a lot of the core group of many protest being serial protestors.
ID's mob are coordinated by powerful right wing fuckwits, encouraged by right wing scum in the media, listen to right wing fuckwit MPs at the rallies, have shit for brains, are violent, and are targeted as potential members by the fascist right.
These facts cut him deep,
Or, without knowing for certain, they're just normal people that have had a gutful irrespective of how you want to label them?
Zen, it's no secret who is pulling the strings with this mob. The tactics, themes, and objectives are virtually identical to the mobs in the USA. If that's normal, Australia is fucked, but I don't think they represent mainstream Australia.
I live in a very normal place and these anti-vaxxer, anti lockdown, anti pandemic bill, anti whatever is next attitudes are widely, and loudly condemned, in our community.
cool and normal. according to ID.
AndyM wrote:Sheepdog wrote:AndyM wrote:I’m not talking about individuals at a rally, I’m talking about abroad long-term movement.
All the anti-vaxxers that I see are socially progressive wellness bozos.
They have been anti-vax protests of different sorts for a long time without any prompting by the right wing.
Not saying that the right wing aren’t jumping in and co-opting it at this late stage.I'll say it. Most are right wing - didn't see the extreme left greens at the marches. Did see Clive Palmers united party with humpty craig Kelly dumpty, saw Pauline Hanson, Peta Credlin. Saw Fox news, Paul Murray, Alan Jones all throw their weight behind the anti vax protests. Just because a bunch of "patriots" go and buy and wear brand new high viz' shirts doesn't make them "left wing".
You and Vic can talk about selected individuals at a few rallies but I am talking about the overall concept that anti-vaxxers are right wing.
It’s just not true.
The maybe tens of thousands of anti-vaxxed in Northern New South Wales are definitely not right wing.Again I accept that right wing elements have co-opted this issue.
Apart from that I actually got a warm and fuzzy tingly feeling when Vic and I almost agreed.
To hear the shrillness go out of his voice for a second was a beautiful thing.
I said MOST are right wing. Sure. There's a scattering of mung bean eating nuffies in Nimbin. But for every one of them, there is 5 tin foil hat wearing suburban patriots thinking there's computer chips in the vax
You're out of touch Sheepy, there's probably ten thousand left wing tin foil hat wearing numpties in Northern NSW alone, from your Nimbin ferals to your Byron hipsters to you wealthy middle-age wellness mums and everything in between.
Very average looking people of all race and creed are anti-vaxxers, anti 5G etc etc and have been for a long time, way before Covid.
And they all have one thing in common - they consider themselves very socially progressive, right on the cutting edge.
What I wonder is why these mouth breathers like Craig Kelly are jumping on the bandwagon - purely to stir some anti-government shit?
Or because they are sheep and want to follow the U.S. example?
An easy way to get some publicity?
I can't imagine they have any history of being devoted to the cause, I wouldn't believe this for a second.
@VL, we all know these videos are of the union protest in Melbourne ironically if involved in unions most likely Labor voters too.
But hey if they have a beard or tatt's, they must be right wing.
They'd be some of the last vestiges of the material Left.
Pretty galling for Vic who (fairly erroneously) calls himself Left.
After all, Vic is light years from the material Left.
zenagain wrote:Or, without knowing for certain, they're just normal people that have had a gutful irrespective of how you want to label them?
this is what brains totally overlooks in his endeavour to smoothe over and deflect everything, in his never ending game of damage control propaganda...
it really really does not matter who is putting up flyers and posts for these rallies...
what matters is... that a whole bunch of people from all walks of life, and all poles of the political spectrum, have felt the common need to give up their time, stand up, and say enough with your bullshit!!
there is fertile ground there for a reason...
ground for the taking
for the left to just deny, deflect, blame shift, and play their usual high school girl cancel culture bullshit, hoping it all goes away just totally misses the point
and once again makes them look a bunch of total fools, dancing around their post modernist choose your own reality fairy garden... whilst the right just laughs, sits back, and watches the self immoliation unfold...
again...
it'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic
it is funny
because as vicvocal proves daily... certain sectors of the left are beyond help
so just enjoy the tragic humour unfold...
.
And what about these thugs ID? Seriously mate, you're excusing complete arseholes mate. Just own it. Your mob are violent scumbags.
Hey ID, does it cut you really deep that the BLM protest had so many more people than your shitful mob, everyone was masked up, and there was no violence.
Your mob are just a right wing rabble being played by fat billionaire miners. Stupid, violent thugs who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
My mob???
How on earth are they my mob?... I've never been a member of a union in my life.
And i abided by all the lockdown rules.
None of these protest are my mobs, im pro vax for gods sake.
The only protest i support is ones fighting Dans bill, the others im not a fan off either way although i do understand why people might protest though no matter what issue they are there for, vax, lockdowns, vax mandates, Dans bill, they are all real issues that have affected all people.
FFS you have got some screws loose, the damage and mayham caused by Antifa and BLM in the USA in 2020 pales in significance, rioting over imaginary fascist, and you support the scum.
Vic Local wrote:Hey ID, does it cut you really deep that the BLM protest had so many more people than your shitful mob, everyone was masked up, and there was no violence.
Your mob are just a right wing rabble being played by fat billionaire miners. Stupid, violent thugs who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
and the choose your own reality continues...
I have no doubt the biggest freedom protest weekend was easily as big if not bigger than BLM
but, propaganda is your business
"I have no doubt the biggest freedom protest weekend was easily as big if not bigger than BLM"
Was that the one the idiot mob smashed up the union Building, the one the idiots took over the Westgate bridge terrorising motorists, or the one they put 10 police officers in hospital?
“Material left” ... I’ll add that to leftist, fake left, real left, woke, anymore ladies?
Oh I do yearn for much simpler times when the put down was being called a commie, red or socialist
none of those... they were small fry by comparison...
the big one was super big
and super peaceful
not a single arrest I believe
but Im sure you can cook it up otherwise...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/31/old-parliament-ho...
where's you apology to the Tent Embassy Mob ID?
It's surprising the protest have remained so peaceful really, these aren't protest about stopping a dam or something, a lot of these issues have really affected peoples life's mentally and financially.
Ive met people now that have lost jobs and my cousin lost is business, and they feel very angry, and you can imagine there is some pretty sad stories out there of people losing friends and family to suicide or not being able to spend the time they normally could with people on their death beds etc.
So many stories out there, most that will go untold.
GuySmiley wrote:“Material left” ... I’ll add that to leftist, fake left, real left, woke, anymore ladies?
Oh I do yearn for much simpler times when the put down was being called a commie, red or socialist
I wonder if the "material left" are related to "cultural marxists" or any other alt-right catchphrase they use to define their enemies. gotta have a new enemy to keep the mouth breathers engaged.
Vic Local wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/31/old-parliament-ho...
where's you apology to the Tent Embassy Mob ID?
Ha ha what garbage you are such a wanker VL, it's very easy to see who the organisers are and the main drivers behind the movement Bruce senior and Jr their instagram feeds are 99% about indigenous issues, it's all there for people to see.
I already showed you where to find their profiles, there is even one with video of him and others camping out, im sure the tent embassy mob were happy to have their support and then obviously distance themselves when things went bad last week.
The Guardian is full of crap as per normal, just like you, anything they dont like is either because of some conspiracy nutters, racist, fascist, white supremest, or far right groups, they just cant admit that Aboriginal people can do silly things on the basis of their believes around Aboriginal related issues.
This is last weeks attempt that's Bruce Jr with the stick, and see his and others instagram post, like i said 99% indigenous issues.
GuySmiley wrote:“Material left” ... I’ll add that to leftist, fake left, real left, woke, anymore ladies?
Oh I do yearn for much simpler times when the put down was being called a commie, red or socialist
Surely a very important distinction Guy?
So the covid situation is spiralling out of control and Scumo's contribution today is to take a photo of the $100 fish he cooked and post it on social media. Fark me, this is a bloke with zero gravitas. He's nothing more than a do-nothing, intellectual nobody, unfit for high office.
Vic Local wrote:So the covid situation is spiralling out of control and Scumo's contribution today is to take a photo of the $100 fish he cooked and post it on social media. Fark me, this is a bloke with zero gravitas. He's nothing more than a do-nothing, intellectual nobody, unfit for high office.
Do you follow him on SM VL?
Fitzroy, I saw plenty of posts slamming this clown's post. It's scary how hollow Scumo is. He's trying to get re-elected by creating an image of an everyday bloke. He sure as shit isn't trying to get re-elected based on his record of doing sensible things.
I hope he doesn't, but AA isn't exactly selling it either.
Don't let him get to you. He'll do your head in. It's not healthy.
You'll have your say at the ballots.
vicvocal cleanly takes out the 2021 ms. henny penny awards after a close two horse race
and now comes out strong as the favourite for 2022...
with an impressive showing by totally hyperboling the new year covid situation, despite it all pretty much unfolding as predicted by the hopkins modelling, an institution he himself has spruiked and supported....
so extra henny penny points for having it both ways and being able to bend it any way he chooses in order to keep the fear a rolling...
the plan... 18 months late... but pretty much to plan (except the numerous go slows, go slowers, and double safety barriering all the way...) and a still wigging out public... still! ... despite 18 months to prepare...
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/joe-hildebrand-...
(yes omni-con may have sped up the inevitable - a bit - and might seem scary - a little bit - but the fact the hospitals are not yet anywhere near under pressure, and are actually probably way under predictions for current case numbers means vicvocal is one hell of a ms. henny penny! ....truly the stuff of legend... again...)
Out of curiosity ,what sort of fish was it , and how did the muppet cook it.?
$100 fish ?,, He might have scored some points with me as an 'everday bloke' if had caught the thing himself.
I like your writing Syp.
Ps- Vic... Zing!
Happy new year to both of you. All the best for 2022. Hope your B&B kills it this year Vic.
Joe Hildebrand?
FFS
"vicvocal cleanly takes out the 2021 ms. henny penny awards after a close two horse race"
22,000 new cases today in NSW. The testing system has collapsed and NSW hospitals are flying in medical staff from overseas to stop the medical system from collapsing.
And we haven't got to the peak of this wave yet.
henny penny? FFS, I was right and you clowns who downplayed covid should be embarrassed at all the shit you've posted.
sypkan, you'd normally be the biggest clown on any forum, but I don't even think you make the podium with the batshit nutters on Swellnet.
Calm down Vic.
You won already.
awwww thanks zen
nice that one person appreciates it
adam12 wrote:Joe Hildebrand?
FFS
doesn't change any of the facts of the article and promises
"22,000 new cases today in NSW."
what do you expect to happen when opening up?
as I said, the modelling tells us this, we don't even need modelling to tell us this!
" The testing system has collapsed and NSW hospitals are flying in medical staff from overseas to stop the medical system from collapsing.
And we haven't got to the peak of this wave yet."
any problems with medical staff are due to burn out more than anything, from a long drawn out pandemic, arguably from an over cautious approach that has prolonged the inevitable rather than facing sudden overwhelming waves
...and 2 years of failure to prepare, from all states and the federal government ...despite the biggest money printing exercise in history...
so just curious vicvocal, when is it appropriate to open up?
fwiw, I think opening up just before christmas / new year was a bit dumb
but the way you carry on and advocate, it is clear you would be still calling for lockdowns and across the board restrictions, even if we are still experiencing the rather mild effects of this supposed 'existential crisis' in 3, 4, 5 years time...
sorry henny but that is ridiculous!!
sypkan
There's opening up, and letting it rip.
The NSW premier let it rip, making that decision for the whole country.
Corrupt Gladys ensured NSW / Vic was in a position of weakness when Perrottet let it rip. This dog also let is rip with such poor preparation, we are now in more shit than a Werribee Duck.
PCR testing has collapsed and there's very few RATs available. Thanks Scumo you useless bum.
We know 1% of new cases will end up in hospital and an increasing number of medicos are isolating due to close contacts. Have you worked out the problem yet champ?
And what was the point of letting it rip? To protect the economy. And how has that worked out? Seen the restaurant and entertainment precincts lately champ?
I'm fucking livid at these let it rip fuckwits. Just when I was starting to do some events, the let them rip mob have screwed our industry again. What a pack of incompetent arseholes.
Thanks god VL doesn't run the country just like Dictator Dan if it was up to them we would be in lockdown for the rest of our life's.
The sooner we all get Omicron the better, the sooner the wave will peak and business can get back to normal, and next wave a huge percentage of the population will have added advantage of natural immunity.
VL still obviously doesn't get it.
Much better we get this happening now instead of in winter too..
Anyway a few weeks time it will all be old news, case will fall as quick as they rose.
Indo if NSW had opened up today after the Xmas New Year break, it would have massively reduced transmission and produced a slower climb to a smaller peak. I understand the importance of this time of year to many who have to take their holidays then and to businesses that have their peak turnover but the pressure on hospitals will now very likely cause serious problems, and not only for covid cases, over the next month or more. If Perrotet has misjudged the extent of the problem he could be out of a job very quickly.
reality is a bitch sometimes...NSW health system now overloaded according to the Health care workers...but Perroet lies about how good the NSW system is and handling easily the doubling of patients.....
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/01/nsw-hospitals-res...
brutus wrote:reality is a bitch sometimes...NSW health system now overloaded according to the Health care workers...but Perroet lies about how good the NSW system is and handling easily the doubling of patients.....
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/01/nsw-hospitals-res...
Where would they get overseas staff from?
RK, there has been a misinformation campaign in the last few mths about importing help from O/S..Vic was importing 300....no sign yet....but as there are nearly 20K registered nurses , 300 really and from where ......haha, more smoke and mirrors same as in NSW.....from no where , it's just bullshit as every other country 's health systems are under siege...
Roadkill wrote:brutus wrote:reality is a bitch sometimes...NSW health system now overloaded according to the Health care workers...but Perroet lies about how good the NSW system is and handling easily the doubling of patients.....
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/01/nsw-hospitals-res...Where would they get overseas staff from?
blindboy wrote:Indo if NSW had opened up today after the Xmas New Year break, it would have massively reduced transmission and produced a slower climb to a smaller peak. I understand the importance of this time of year to many who have to take their holidays then and to businesses that have their peak turnover but the pressure on hospitals will now very likely cause serious problems, and not only for covid cases, over the next month or more. If Perrotet has misjudged the extent of the problem he could be out of a job very quickly.
Shout it from the rooftops bloke!
Lock. Us. Down !!!!!!!
Lol
Blowin wrote:blindboy wrote:Indo if NSW had opened up today after the Xmas New Year break, it would have massively reduced transmission and produced a slower climb to a smaller peak. I understand the importance of this time of year to many who have to take their holidays then and to businesses that have their peak turnover but the pressure on hospitals will now very likely cause serious problems, and not only for covid cases, over the next month or more. If Perrotet has misjudged the extent of the problem he could be out of a job very quickly.
Shout it from the rooftops bloke!
Lock. Us. Down !!!!!!!
Lol
Anyone on here gives a flying fuck about the health workers on the Covid frontline or is it always about me, me, me?
Personally I thought info’s earlier comment was hands down the stupidest thing he had ever said and that’s saying something.
If I were a nurse or doctor having to deal with evolution’s dumbest unvaccinated morons in icus I’d toss it in and go a pick fruit
indo-dreaming wrote:Thanks god VL doesn't run the country just like Dictator Dan if it was up to them we would be in lockdown for the rest of our life's.
The sooner we all get Omicron the better, the sooner the wave will peak and business can get back to normal, and next wave a huge percentage of the population will have added advantage of natural immunity.
VL still obviously doesn't get it.
Much better we get this happening now instead of in winter too..
Anyway a few weeks time it will all be old news, case will fall as quick as they rose.
this comment?
I thought it was spot on
his vicvocal obsrrvation is correct, and as to the rest... it is pretty much what most of the experts are saying after all...
(it's also what pretty every other country has had to go through to take the sting out of the virus)
No surprise there, none whatsoever.
.