Regional NSW - 7 day lockdown, August 15
donweather wrote:brutus wrote:Indo , one of the reasons Australia is in the shit with vaccinations , is our refusal/bad mouthing of AZ..we have 8 m AZ doses in Stock.....and we are waiting for the Pfizer......
ATAGI is now saying better for anybody to have the AZ, than catch Covid so get the AZ , which a lot of younger people have done.
We have the vaccines , we should be a lot further down the Vaccination Rabbit hole , but we as a country have spoken ...we want pfizer or Moderna but not AZ.......
Australia is like the guy in the desert dying of thirst , when someone approaches with life saving water , the guy says sorry I only drink Perrier , I'll take my chances until the Perrier arrives!!Great analogy there Brutus. I like it.
Crazy thing is women who take the pill have a higher chance of contracting blood clots from the pill than they do from AZ and yet NO ONE bats an eye at allowing their daughter/partner/wife etc to take it on a daily basis.
Don , wow , that's why I come on these forums....so women who are on the" pill " have a 1 in 1ooo chance of getting a blood clot or a 1 in 250000 with AZ.......FFS we are a precious lot , will onsend to my daughter as she keeps telling me how bad AZ is for women...another myth/conspiracy theory run out of town by ...facts!
https://theconversation.com/blood-clot-risks-comparing-the-astrazeneca-v...
Brutus- Don’t forget to tell your daughter about my mum’s hospitalisation whilst you’re in a hurry to hit her with a vaccine truth bomb. She’s still fatigued and lost 5 kilos in the weeks since the reaction. She’s only tiny to start with.
Also tell her about my missus’ uncles death.
And my mate’s brother’s hospitalisation.
Brutus- “FFS we are a precious lot”.
Also Brutus -“ 99.98 percent survival rate …..lock.us.down!”
Meanwhile…..today’s “Covid deaths” from the ABC : Three COVID-19 patients in their 80s, who all had underlying health conditions, died
Also Brutus-“ It’s a pandemic of the young, healthy and children now!”
Blowin wrote:It’s a terrible analogy. Dying of thirst in the desert has a 0 percent survival rate , whilst Wuflu has a 99.98 percent survival rate.
There’s a story to hear if you’d care to listen. If the virus was like dying of thirst in the desert then the vaccine centres would be under armed guard so that people didn’t break in to get vaccines. Instead we have the situation of the government trying to pay Thor to promote it.
AZ vaccine would probably be more popular except that pesky ingrates keep getting very sick when they take it. It’s so inconvenient for the harmless vaccine messaging.
c'mon Blowin your'e smarter than that....dying in the desert from the lack of perrier , with water all around is a simpler analogy for you to understand....we / Australia have plenty of AZ , but are waiting for the Pfizer...because of blood clotting issues.....
in the UK there is a 1 in 250K chance of clotting...we let our daughter's /wives and mothers take the pill with a 1 in 1000.....of blood clotting....so what's the problem again....????
https://theconversation.com/blood-clot-risks-comparing-the-astrazeneca-v...
Brutus- Don’t forget to tell your daughter about my mum’s hospitalisation whilst you’re in a hurry to hit her with a vaccine truth bomb. She’s still fatigued and lost 5 kilos in the weeks since the reaction. She’s only tiny to start with.Also tell her about my missus’ uncles death.
I don't have to tell her anything about your family as I cannot confirm it's true...and I have no idea who or what you are .....you have me always at a disadvantage because you know who I am , and a public figure.....so I am very aware that things said here on the forums can be held against me in the public domain ...
you are not a medical person so it's your uneducated medical opinion that claims vaccines have hurt your family.....just another personal story....I try and post State/National/Global stats...which I use a base of facts for my opinions...yours seems the opposite.
brutus wrote:Indo , one of the reasons Australia is in the shit with vaccinations , is our refusal/bad mouthing of AZ..we have 8 m AZ doses in Stock.....and we are waiting for the Pfizer......
ATAGI is now saying better for anybody to have the AZ, than catch Covid so get the AZ , which a lot of younger people have done.
We have the vaccines , we should be a lot further down the Vaccination Rabbit hole , but we as a country have spoken ...we want pfizer or Moderna but not AZ.......
Australia is like the guy in the desert dying of thirst , when someone approaches with life saving water , the guy says sorry I only drink Perrier , I'll take my chances until the Perrier arrives!!
I get that, but i dont blame people, i myself am booked in for Pfizer next month and right or wrongly i now dont want AZ (under 50) and see AZ as a second rate vaccine and if im honest if i had it, i would be a bit worried thinking i could be that very rare blood clot case.
Meanwhile in reality im sure there is medication or drugs that ive take that are much higher risk, so i still know it;'s kind of silly, goes to show how we can be affected by these things, media etc. (its kind of like those glass floors in very high buildings, you know standing on it you are safe, but its still scares you)
I dont think anyone is to blame as such, on one hand the government need to be open and honest with the public, but the information on the blood clots was such a mixed message from day one, from everyone medical experts. media, government at all levels.
The weird things is, i get the feeling people see things differently than us in Europe, as beleive it was still widely used and i have friends in their 30s that had it.
Pretty unfortunate really that it had the issues it did/does as i think it has reinforced peoples views of vaccines being rushed through and would have to lead to more vaccine hesitancy....let's just hope we can still hit the 70% or whatever needed to open up.
So indo you have concerns for AZ but none for Pfizer ? Much the same really .
brutus wrote:donweather wrote:brutus wrote:Indo , one of the reasons Australia is in the shit with vaccinations , is our refusal/bad mouthing of AZ..we have 8 m AZ doses in Stock.....and we are waiting for the Pfizer......
ATAGI is now saying better for anybody to have the AZ, than catch Covid so get the AZ , which a lot of younger people have done.
We have the vaccines , we should be a lot further down the Vaccination Rabbit hole , but we as a country have spoken ...we want pfizer or Moderna but not AZ.......
Australia is like the guy in the desert dying of thirst , when someone approaches with life saving water , the guy says sorry I only drink Perrier , I'll take my chances until the Perrier arrives!!Great analogy there Brutus. I like it.
Crazy thing is women who take the pill have a higher chance of contracting blood clots from the pill than they do from AZ and yet NO ONE bats an eye at allowing their daughter/partner/wife etc to take it on a daily basis.
Don , wow , that's why I come on these forums....so women who are on the" pill " have a 1 in 1ooo chance of getting a blood clot or a 1 in 250000 with AZ.......FFS we are a precious lot , will onsend to my daughter as she keeps telling me how bad AZ is for women...another myth/conspiracy theory run out of town by ...facts!
https://theconversation.com/blood-clot-risks-comparing-the-astrazeneca-v...
1 in 8000 chance of blood-clot from taking Viagra.
67 million adults in the UK have been vaccinated. 50% have had Astra and 40% Pfizer. No big deal for AZ as long as you are not prone to listening to idiots. AZ was supplied at cost, which goes against big pharma hating idiots who say it is about making money….yet here in Aus.
I am 54 and had both shots, my wife is under 50 and had both shots whilst undergoing breast cancer treatment….yet her in Aus.
Blowin wrote:Brutus- Don’t forget to tell your daughter about my mum’s hospitalisation whilst you’re in a hurry to hit her with a vaccine truth bomb. She’s still fatigued and lost 5 kilos in the weeks since the reaction. She’s only tiny to start with.
Also tell her about my missus’ uncles death.
And my mate’s brother’s hospitalisation.
Never let the truth get in the way.
Unfortunately when you post conspiracy and uneducated bs against vaccines and lockdowns etc etc on a daily basis..you end up with zero credibility.
Anything you say is treated as garbage.
Indo. We as humans are wired to be risk averse and when presented with a known risk we will over contemplate that risk as a higher chance of actually occurring.
You know you have a higher chance of getting struck by lighting than blood clots from AZ.
And as Brutus provided in that article you actually have a higher chance of blood clots from covid than AZ.
I actually think AZ is a more tried and tested form of vaccine than Pfizer. AZ is your typical historical vaccine. Pfizer being mRNA has never been used as a vaccine on humans before. What are the long term ramifications of mRNA on ya, particularly young people. AZ is not mRNA so I see long term this is a better vaccine with respect to the unknown long term effects.
More chance of being killed by a shark whilst surfing, than dying of a covid vaccine. Yet we all surf.
Yeah Don that last point was what i was originally thinking when we first heard about the different vaccines at that stage i was keen to get AZ and it made sense that was the vaccine we were using. (plus temp storage not an issue)
More choice of dying by shark attack than Covid but you still wet the bed about the virus.
So now it’s conspiracy and garbage to relate factual anecdotes about people I know and I’m an idiot for relating true stories?
Even better is your claims that I’m lying.
Ok
I understand that you want to cast disbelief on the things I say because you disagree but please don’t think you can call me a liar. A person who claims to respect the truth accepts it even when it runs contrary to their thinking. If the truth of my experience doesn’t sit with your beliefs then it’s time to adjust your beliefs accordingly. It’s something adults of any integrity do.
Roadkill wrote:67 million adults in the UK have been vaccinated. 50% have had Astra and 40% Pfizer. No big deal for AZ as long as you are not prone to listening to idiots. AZ was supplied at cost, which goes against big pharma hating idiots who say it is about making money….yet here in Aus.
I am 54 and had both shots, my wife is under 50 and had both shots whilst undergoing breast cancer treatment….yet her in Aus.
This is why I don’t like pig pharma Before the pandemic, developing countries paid a median price of $0.80 a dose for all non-COVID vaccines, according to analysis by the World Health Organization (WHO). While all vaccines are different and the new vaccines may not be directly comparable, even one of the cheapest COVID 19 vaccines on the market, Oxford/AstraZeneca, is nearly four times this price; the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is 13 times; and the most expensive vaccines, such as Pfizer/ BioNTech, Moderna and the Chinese produced Sinopharm, are up to 50 times higher. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/vaccine-monopolies-make-cost-vac...
donweather wrote:Indo. We as humans are wired to be risk averse and when presented with a known risk we will over contemplate that risk as a higher chance of actually occurring.
You know you have a higher chance of getting struck by lighting than blood clots from AZ.
And as Brutus provided in that article you actually have a higher chance of blood clots from covid than AZ.
I actually think AZ is a more tried and tested form of vaccine than Pfizer. AZ is your typical historical vaccine. Pfizer being mRNA has never been used as a vaccine on humans before. What are the long term ramifications of mRNA on ya, particularly young people. AZ is not mRNA so I see long term this is a better vaccine with respect to the unknown long term effects.
Wrong. It is human nature to seek risk and always has been.
Still waiting for those statistics about how many sub 70 year olds without extreme comorbidities have died in Australia.
We are well over 40.000 cases. The bodies must be piling up unless your fear mongering has no basis in fact.
That’s what I’m so stunned by I think….the way you guys keep recycling the same horror stories even though they are not backed up by a single shred of evidence.
Today’s horror death toll: “Three COVID-19 patients in their 80s, who all had underlying health conditions, died”
Any other year they would’ve died of the flu and you would never had known or cared unless you were related. You are a bunch of sad old bed wetters telling Chicken Little horror stories.
my mate and his missus had the AZ.
as did my parents and all their mates, and rest of my fam.
everyone else I know has had Pfizer.
Yet to meet a person or hear of a side effect worse than feeling seedy for a day.
We all weigh direct evidence more strongly.
Blowin wrote:So now it’s conspiracy and garbage to relate factual anecdotes about people I know and I’m an idiot for relating true stories?
Even better is your claims that I’m lying.
Ok
I understand that you want to cast disbelief on the things I say because you disagree but please don’t think you can call me a liar. A person who claims to respect the truth accepts it even when it runs contrary to their thinking. If the truth of my experience doesn’t sit with your beliefs then it’s time to adjust your beliefs accordingly. It’s something adults of any integrity do.
Princess snowflake blowin…getting all offended..lmao. 2 days ago you posted you wanted me to die? Big fucking sook can give it out but can’t take it?
You are a joke with zero credibility.
factual anecdote? The moron posts the best oxymoron I have seen for years…and is too stupid know.
Hmmmm…I think you’d best look up the definition of oxymoron there bloke.
Daily updates for the sad bed wetters. Roadkill shitting his nappy with fear of dying from the Wuflu and he’s a fit 54 year old surfer. Your fear is irrational bloke. See a professional for mental help.
Don’t forget that basically every death is WITH Wuflu and accompanied by an average of 2.8 comorbidities. Chances of Roadkill dying from Wuflu are about the same as him getting crushed by a meteorite. If he respected facts as much as he states he would admit the threat is in his imagination. The facts don’t lie. These are the facts.
Bed wetter!
Had my AZ last Monday.
Sounds as though Pfizer is the go if you are after the Victor Dominello look
''scientists hypothesize that it's caused by an overreaction of the body's immune system, which leads to inflammation, or swelling, that damages a nerve controlling facial movement.
revue components
One of Vics followers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9804187/Patient-developed-rar...
Congrats Craig.
You’ve also avoiding dying from Covid during the greatest threat to human democracy in 60,000 years!
GregHunt hospitalised after the vaccine. Victor Dominello gets palsy.
The vaccine is completely, utterly, undeniably safe I tells ya!
Pfizer loses effectiveness against delta 4 months after the 2nd dose. AZ really does seem to be the best vaccine for protection. My 18 years old daughter is going to get AZ in the next week. 2 of her mates have had their first doses already.
I'm not worried about dying, I'm worried about losing my taste/smell, getting fatigued etc if I caught COVID. Doesn't sound nice if you end up with the rough end of the stick no matter the age.
Also taking the burden off the health system etc by making it less transmissible and so on.
Blowin wrote:GregHunt hospitalised after the vaccine. Victor Dominello gets palsy.
The vaccine is completely, utterly, undeniably safe I tells ya!
I hope you said that with an eye patch on, a parrot on your shoulder and drool dripping out of the side of your mouth.
Blowhard writes "Still waiting for those statistics about how many sub 70 year olds without extreme comorbidities have died in Australia."
Your point?
The anniverary of the battle of Long Tan in Vietnam was 5 days ago. Most of our Viet vets are 70 or over. But they mean NOTHING to Blowhard. He considers them expendable. Even tho the average life span is nearly 84 years in Australia, a 70yo is just a number to Blowhard. Fuck thos 14 extra years. "It's only 20% of your life! Hurry up and DIE" scoffs blowhard!
You're a disgrace. You're a representation of everything wrong in the western world Blowhard.
Just as we thought, the NZ gubmint is doubling down, digging themselves into an ever deeper hole.
Lockdown extended because "you can never be too careful"
IB is this all of NZ? How long for?
Sheep- Hard to take your post serious when it’s such a poorly built strawman that crows roost on it.
Get back in your dank little cellar where you live your shitty little life and have another go.
You may not be dead Sheep, but you’ve certainly stopped living. It’s always funny to hear someone calling others a disgrace a few weeks after they’ve tried to cyber bully someone whose relatives are getting shipped off in an ambulance. You ever stopped to think that you’re not one of the good guys, Sheep? You should.
"Let me play devil's advocate re mask wearing outside.
First up, let's look at the policing practicalities of cracking down on people walking on beaches by themselves not wearing a mask. Relax blowin, the cops have got more important things to do."Yes that why I will be ignoring the mask wearing rule when outside alone because I'm pretty sure I the cops let me off if there was no one around.
But what If I had a record? or had dark skin ? or met a cop having a bad day ? It might be a different story then.....
Today was the first day of the outdoor mask rule in my small coastal town and I was glad to see most people ignoring it ( while alone in open space). The first ones I saw wearing a mask while walking the empty streets were an Aboriginal couple. Maybe they were just being more COVID aware than others or maybe they have experienced different policing to you or I.All these restrictions are way harsher on our young and / or disadvantaged. Yet those people who are comfortably locked down with a stable income and low density living are calling those who protest the restrictions selfish. I reckon its the other way around.
goofyfoot wrote:IB is this all of NZ? How long for?
All of NZ at least till Friday (another 4 days). Auckland another 8 days.
No cases outside Auckland (90%+) or Wellington. I'd be fuming even more if I were in the South Island.
we'll be sharing set waves sooner rather than later IB.
Craig wrote:I'm not worried about dying, I'm worried about losing my taste/smell, getting fatigued etc if I caught COVID. Doesn't sound nice if you end up with the rough end of the stick no matter the age.
Also taking the burden off the health system etc by making it less transmissible and so on.
Nice one Craig...had my AZ last week too.
It was ridiculously easy to do....walk into a pharmacy, walk out in like 20 mins.
Why people would rather take their chances with a novel virus likely born from some dead bat/pangolin inside a we market is beyond me. These 'I trust my immune system' crew are a weird bunch.
Like...our immune systems are not THAT great. We have way too much processed food, pesticides, antibiotics (particularly in our meat that is produced) etc. etc. We also now have (well had prior to Covid) a fully connected global society - which our immune systems are just not designed for. Diseases prior to the global travel phase never had the opportunity to rip across the globe like they do now - and people think our natural immune system is designed for this! I mean if you're that selfishly minded, then sure....give it a try, just don't expect it to only be a case of the sniffles.
Nice Stok, yep in and out, lots of other young people in there as well for the same which was great to see.
Blowin wrote:So now it’s conspiracy and garbage to relate factual anecdotes about people I know and I’m an idiot for relating true stories?
Even better is your claims that I’m lying.
Ok
I understand that you want to cast disbelief on the things I say because you disagree but please don’t think you can call me a liar. A person who claims to respect the truth accepts it even when it runs contrary to their thinking. If the truth of my experience doesn’t sit with your beliefs then it’s time to adjust your beliefs accordingly. It’s something adults of any integrity do.
Blowin , I imagine this post was for me.?
I didn't call you a conspiracy liar garbage like you claim or worryingly now you attack my credibility/integrity, because I explained to you how I obtain facts to form an opinion.......
how do I know what you say is true vs the stats/facts that I use for my posts.......I try to look at everything from a Global perspective , not just my backyard!
Blowin wrote:GregHunt hospitalised after the vaccine. Victor Dominello gets palsy.
The vaccine is completely, utterly, undeniably safe I tells ya!
no-one has said the vaccines are utterly undeniably safe , except you , could you please explain why and how you said that?
Roadkill wrote:Pfizer loses effectiveness against delta 4 months after the 2nd dose. AZ really does seem to be the best vaccine for protection. My 18 years old daughter is going to get AZ in the next week. 2 of her mates have had their first doses already.
Hhmmm kinda
"Associate Professor Simon Clarke from the University of Reading, UK said it was concerning that AstraZeneca appeared to be no more effective at preventing Delta infection than the ‘natural’ immunity gained from a previous COVID-19 infection."
https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/vaccines-effective-against-the-d...
Ok here's the stats against delta
After two jabs
Pfizer = 85% effectiveness
AZ= 68%
After 3 months
Pfizer =75% effectiveness
AZ= 61%
Moderna seems the shit
"Moderna vaccine seems to be more effective against Delta after a single dose than either Pfizer or AstraZeneca as a single dose, or indeed after two doses of AstraZeneca"
I think i will just go with the Pfizer for now and hopefully can back it up wth Moderna before i go to Indo whenever that it is, i dont care about Covid in Australia, but i dont want to be sick in Indo in anyway even if just get it mildly like the flue, imagine going to Indo for a month or two and having to self isolate for 14 days.
Brutus- that post was for Roadkill.
indo-dreaming wrote:Roadkill wrote:Pfizer loses effectiveness against delta 4 months after the 2nd dose. AZ really does seem to be the best vaccine for protection. My 18 years old daughter is going to get AZ in the next week. 2 of her mates have had their first doses already.
Hhmmm kinda
"Associate Professor Simon Clarke from the University of Reading, UK said it was concerning that AstraZeneca appeared to be no more effective at preventing Delta infection than the ‘natural’ immunity gained from a previous COVID-19 infection."
https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/vaccines-effective-against-the-d...
Ok here's the stats against delta
After two jabs
Pfizer = 85% effectiveness
AZ= 68%After 3 months
Pfizer =75% effectiveness
AZ= 61%Moderna seems the shit
"Moderna vaccine seems to be more effective against Delta after a single dose than either Pfizer or AstraZeneca as a single dose, or indeed after two doses of AstraZeneca"
I think i will just go with the Pfizer for now and hopefully can back it up wth Moderna before i go to Indo whenever that it is, i dont care about Covid in Australia, but i dont want to be sick in Indo in anyway even if just get it mildly like the flue, imagine going to Indo for a month or two and having to self isolate for 14 days.
The info I read doesn’t equal what you have posted in regards to effectiveness. AZ comes out on top. However, updated studies are always being published.
There is quite a few recent articles on it all from the last few days from some big study, but they all word the same study a little differently.
It's so hard to know what to believe though, they seems to be change the info with every study.
Pretty sure they are saying mixing vaccinations first shot different to second has a big increase on effectiveness too, so who knows how that effects how they last.
Wow, hypocrisy overload right here.
Blowin wrote:So now it’s conspiracy and garbage to relate factual anecdotes about people I know and I’m an idiot for relating true stories?
Even better is your claims that I’m lying.
Ok
I understand that you want to cast disbelief on the things I say because you disagree but please don’t think you can call me a liar. A person who claims to respect the truth accepts it even when it runs contrary to their thinking. If the truth of my experience doesn’t sit with your beliefs then it’s time to adjust your beliefs accordingly. It’s something adults of any integrity do.
Contrast this with flippant nature with which Blowin dismisses any information he doesn't agree with - Fake News! Manipulated Stats! Liars! - no evidence is required except for not fitting with the chosen narrative.
Blowin has no respect for the truth, hence why he rejects it so often.
Have a think, contrast the level of evidence required for Blowin to accept a death is attributable to covid vs what it takes for him to attribute it a vaccine. How carefully the information is filtered, inconvenient reports dismissed, experts classed as liars and whole swaths of the population excluded from statistics. If you take a step back and look at this bizarre patchwork it really is comical.
But really, he hits the nail on the head here - and it sums Blowin up in one exemplary sentence:
"If the truth of my experience doesn’t sit with your beliefs then it’s time to adjust your beliefs accordingly."
The sheer arrogance.
Island Bay wrote:goofyfoot wrote:IB is this all of NZ? How long for?
All of NZ at least till Friday (another 4 days). Auckland another 8 days.
No cases outside Auckland (90%+) or Wellington. I'd be fuming even more if I were in the South
Island.
Yeah this sucks...no cases outside of Auckland or only a few in welly and we still can't surf all this week. I'm totally over the super cautious approach of Jacinda's government
My experience is real , it happened. Real people , friends and family , hospitalised and dead. This is contrasted with the parsing of statistics. So yeah, accept it or fark orf.
I’m not detracting from your loss. But, largely because of geography, we’ve been spared what much of the rest of the world got - stories of loved ones dying of coronavirus. My wife’s (who’s an immigrant) overseas friend and family network, through social media, was an insight into what an uncontrolled outbreak looks like. It’s fucked.
It skews our perception of what’s a greater threat. The vaccination or the virus.
That’s why I reckon the vulnerable should get themselves vaccinated.
Yah, my point is that when the reaper came knocking it wasn’t just for the ‘overtly’ vulnerable.
‘Prime Minister Scott Morrison is promising to reinforce Australia’s health system to avoid what doctors call a “disaster” scenario if restrictions are eased too early.’
The Age.23/9.
There he goes! You don’t say? He’s a quick study this bloke.
‘Reinforcements’ shoulda been well and truly in place by now.
Just announced a short time ago. Apparently the stay-at-home orders will be in place for a week.