Regional NSW - 7 day lockdown, August 15
Fucking Scumo saying certain states are going against his exit plans for political gain.
What a complete fuckwit. No state politician (no matter what their political stripes) wants to lockdown. Scumo is an absolute cunt. The PM is the one politicising his end game, and he's already gaslighting Australians to blame the premiers if they don't significantly reduce lockdown rules as soon as the country hits 70% of adults fully vaccinated.
Premiers and state health systems have to pick up the pieces if lockdowns end too early. Scumo is just putting his political interests ahead of public health again. Did I say he was a complete cunt?
you have a lockdown fetish
time to grow up
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/doherty-institute-boss-says-reop...
Vic Local wrote:Fucking Scumo saying certain states are going against his exit plans for political gain.
What a complete fuckwit. No state politician (no matter what their political stripes) wants to lockdown. Scumo is an absolute cunt. The PM is the one politicising his end game, and he's already gaslighting Australians to blame the premiers if they don't significantly reduce lockdown rules as soon as the country hits 70% of adults fully vaccinated.
Premiers and state health systems have to pick up the pieces if lockdowns end too early. Scumo is just putting his political interests ahead of public health again. Did I say he was a complete cunt?
Good night ladies
I expected Morrison to move in this direct BUT only after the next federal election if of course he had won it.
It was my expectation that he would continue his low target softly softly approach until then but I guess the complete NSW debacle has changed his election strategy.
He had already been distancing himself as much as possible from his NSW problem for weeks but the PM has a nose for a wedge and this new approach of setting the Premiers up against the people opposed to further lockdowns is a worry.
Of course all this talk from the PM about "the plan" conveniently ignores his own fine print about very low case numbers at the time of easing restrictions nor does it consider the fact that 12-16 year olds will not vaccinated.
You (vaccinated) mums and dads out there happy to see your kids at risk??
Again, on a political level you can see why Morrison wants to create a fight with the Premiers as it just may create the required smoke screen for his own gross and unforgivable failure in - border control, quarantine, aged care and vaccine acquisition, roll out and planning .... and that's apart for all the scandals and fraudulent use of power and taxpayers and the fact that pretty much every one of his ministers are in witness projection.
A cunning stunt.
well did the state premiers agree to the deal or not? ...because that's all it comes down to...
seems they did, I guess we'll find out if that holds friday...
time to let your security blankets go
anyway, it'll be six months at least before oz is anywhere near 70% - if we get there at all..., and there'll be a whole new set of numbers and dilemmas to face by then, and the whole deal will fall in a heap, and oz can lock ourselves away til 2023... then 24... then...
you lockdown fetishisers happy with that?
seriously, how many years of his shit are you willing to accept?
serious question...
For the Kiwi members. Hipkins the Covid minister on Mike Hoskin’s this morning. Jeezus what a load of dodging answers and obfuscation. It isn’t going to go well for NZ with the clowns running govt there. Unprepared and no real answers and relying on hope.
“ it'll be six months at least before oz is anywhere near 70% - if we get there at all..., ”
Sypkan I hope you’re wrong here, and I think you might be
NSW are already at 60% first dose, it’s rocketing up
How many AZ shots in arms already, did I hear 6 mil somewhere?
Pfizer only recently assured us our 40 mil doses will all be here by years end.
Moderna begin delivering soon as well.
My understanding is it’s all about to ramp up in a big way
You're on the ball again GuySmiley.
Make no mistake, the next federal election will be a "Covid fear election". with Scumo warning everyone of endless and/or needless lockdowns caused by state Labor premiers. It's not like this corrupt and incompetent dog can go to the voters and say, "look at my record, I deserve another term".
And then of course we have the Senate, which will largely be determined by the success of the anti-vax scumbags that are Hanson and Palmer.These two absolute fuckers could be holding the balance of power if they can carve off the idiot vote.
God help us if Australia re-elects to corrupt shit show that is the LNP, and may he have mercy on our souls if they need the support of Palmer and Hanson to get legislation through the Senate.
What could possibly go wrong.
Roadkill. I really do wonder if NZ Govt and here, all State Govts are pants shittingly scared of a serious health system breakdown.
NZ health system, while plenty robust in normal times could have a narrow window between coping and full breakdown, hence the desperation to keep things under control. Same goes for our states.
Imagine a healthcare system overload where people with serious injuries or heart attacks or stroke cannot access medical assistance because the hospitals are full (with lots of Covid cases) and there's 200 people lined up out the front (lots with Covid).
For Government, not only political oblivion but at a human level it would be devastating to be in charge when a failure of that magnitude occurs. Think what you like about politicians but I reckon they would truly hate to oversee the unnecessary or preventable deaths of their constituents.
The thing is that they’ve had a year and a half to beef up the health system - more ICU beds etc - but haven’t. Borrowed $100 billion, but still didn’t .
Every bad flu season the health system is overwhelmed. 60-70000 died in the 17-18 flu season in the US, and hospitals were screwed.
Should have been an indication of where to focus, but some thought that we could just stamp it out.
Island Bay wrote:The thing is that they’ve had a year and a half to beef up the health system - more ICU beds etc - but haven’t. Borrowed $100 billion, but still didn’t .
Every bad flu season the health system is overwhelmed. 60-70000 died in the 17-18 flu season in the US, and hospitals were screwed.
Should have been an indication of where to focus, but some thought that we could just stamp it out.
Wow NZ haven't ramped up their capacity and ICU units at all? Surely they've done something?
Blowin wrote:More choice of dying by shark attack than Covid but you still wet the bed about the virus.
Blowin there you go again...do you know how many people have died this week in NSW ?
Do you know how many people have died in NSW this year from shark attacks?
It's when you make statements like the above , makes you really shake your head and wonder where did that come from?
Very little, Craig. It was talked about a lot March 2020, but soon fell out of vogue.
Mental.
Blowin wrote:That’s why I reckon the vulnerable should get themselves vaccinated.
everybody is vulnerable to the Delta variant , you keep coming back to the number of deaths like that's the only thing for you to cling onto , in the face of all the facts that have been provided for you and anybody who can't see the full picture......
Not so long ago you were saying it's only an old persons problem and now you can see how wrong you were with Delta now infecting kids......everything has changed from 12 mths ago.....and will keep changing as we now have to take into the vaccination numbers for people/kids under 16.......
Blowin you seem so rusted onto a situation that was 1/2 true 12 mths ago....it's a different world now...sooner than later we will all catch Covid , and the unvaccinated will really suffer as millions of unvaccinated already do!
brutus wrote:Blowin wrote:That’s why I reckon the vulnerable should get themselves vaccinated.
everybody is vulnerable to the Delta variant , you keep coming back to the number of deaths like that's the only thing for you to cling onto , in the face of all the facts that have been provided for you and anybody who can't see the full picture......
Not so long ago you were saying it's only an old persons problem and now you can see how wrong you were with Delta now infecting kids......everything has changed from 12 mths ago.....and will keep changing as we now have to take into the vaccination numbers for people/kids under 16.......
Blowin you seem so rusted onto a situation that was 1/2 true 12 mths ago....it's a different world now...sooner than later we will all catch Covid , and the unvaccinated will really suffer as millions of unvaccinated already do!
Here are some UK numbers for you, Brutus. All Delta.
Check the under 50 case numbers (270k or so) and how few resulted in hospital admissions.
https://i1.wp.com/thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Screen-Shot-20...
"NSW are already at 60% first dose, it’s rocketing up
How many AZ shots in arms already, did I hear 6 mil somewhere?
Pfizer only recently assured us our 40 mil doses will all be here by years end.
Moderna begin delivering soon as well.
My understanding is it’s all about to ramp up in a big way"
I'd like to agree, but I don't...
watching over countries, they get to a certain point, and then just run out of steam, for a heap of reasons...
Id also like to think oz will be different, as we are just being precious, waiting for boutique vaccines, but I still think the plateau will get us
there's a lot of mistrust out there, rightly or wrongly...
and there's a lot of crew happy to sit it out and 'wait and see'...
I reckon getting to 80% (free to travel) is almost a pipedream / at least 12 months away...
big difference between this...
"...everybody is vulnerable to the Delta variant...
now you can see how wrong you were with Delta now infecting kids......everything has changed from 12 mths ago....."
and this...
"Here are some UK numbers for you, Brutus. All Delta.
Check the under 50 case numbers (270k or so) and how few resulted in hospital admissions.
https://i1.wp.com/thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Screen-Shot-20..."
sypkan wrote:big difference between this...
"...everybody is vulnerable to the Delta variant...
now you can see how wrong you were with Delta now infecting kids......everything has changed from 12 mths ago....."
and this...
"Here are some UK numbers for you, Brutus. All Delta.
Check the under 50 case numbers (270k or so) and how few resulted in hospital admissions.https://i1.wp.com/thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Screen-Shot-20..."
your link doesn't work!!!
without looking at your link , yes there are a lot fewer hospitalisations and much milder symptoms for those vaccinated.
Compared to 12 mths ago there is real progress in the country's with high vaccination rates....
and kids are a new frontier for Covid try reading this, also in the UK...https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/25/seriously-ill-young-people...
For you, Brutus: under 50yo 267000 cases since Feb. 1.2% admitted to hospital overnight. 72 dead. UK Delta variant.
Don’t make me read The Guardian. Ranks too low on the Factual list.
Island Bay wrote:For you, Brutus: under 50yo 267000 cases since Feb. 1.2% admitted to hospital overnight. 72 dead. UK Delta variant.
Don’t make me read The Guardian. Ranks too low on the Factual list.
So what's your point ??
I give up. Lead a horse to water and all that...
(But re The Guardian, I used the media bias website you yourself recommended https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/ )
'Don’t make me read The Guardian. Ranks too low on the Factual list.'
I gave it a run... an article full of the usual vagueness and half truths... true to guardian form...
how many people can you quote 'urging young people to get the vaccine', and how many paragraphs can you write, whilst avoiding the actual data of the number of young people actually getting seriously ill?
ie. the point of the whole article...
ppfffffff
the guardian just gets worse by the day
(coming off of a very low base...)
The cricket comments are still good, Sypkan. Apart from that, it's taken a nosedive into wacko.
Island Bay wrote:The thing is that they’ve had a year and a half to beef up the health system - more ICU beds etc - but haven’t. Borrowed $100 billion, but still didn’t .
Every bad flu season the health system is overwhelmed. 60-70000 died in the 17-18 flu season in the US, and hospitals were screwed.
Should have been an indication of where to focus, but some thought that we could just stamp it out.
Yeah sure increase ICU beds etc but the one variable that cannot be ramped up with any speed is qualified people to look after the patients in these new beds.
Can't train 500 new Doctors and 1500 new nurses in 18 months. Pulled those figures straight from my go to resource. Thin Air.
And IB to be fair NZ were doing pretty well with the "just stamp it out" method.
Can be hard to look for storm clouds when marching proudly in the blinding glare of your own success.
Not fully train docs and nurses, no. But rapidly ramping up the number of carers should be achievable.
And with the level of spin from the PM every single day (The Pulpit of Truth - I shit ye not), I can assure you that every little gain would have been trumpeted to all corners of NZ. They simply stopped working on it.
(Spin example: very aware that they dropped the ball on vaxx numbers, they are now proudly advertising how many people have BOOKED the vaxx, not actually had it. And there isn't even enough doses in NZ for those that have booked)
I'm reading The Splendid and the Vile at the moment (Churchill's first year as PM, incl the London Blitz/Battle of Britain). It is excellent and eye-opening, and a lesson in what can be achieved in a few weeks, when good, competent people act with urgency.
Churchill straight away formed the Ministry for Aircraft Production, and within less than 2 months they were producing 600+ fighter planes a day.
It's hard to not read into it a total indictment of the modern management culture (however indirectly).
A message from Riverbank Frank
https://www.facebook.com/abcwesternplains/videos/375270000887734
Cacadajy, if you have the time and stomach for it, here's an excellent synopsis:
https://democracyproject.nz/2021/08/23/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-t...
Island Bay wrote:Not fully train docs and nurses, no. But rapidly ramping up the number of carers should be achievable.
And with the level of spin from the PM every single day (The Pulpit of Truth - I shit ye not), I can assure you that every little gain would have been trumpeted to all corners of NZ. They simply stopped working on it.(Spin example: very aware that they dropped the ball on vaxx numbers, they are now proudly advertising how many people have BOOKED the vaxx, not actually had it. And there isn't even enough doses in NZ for those that have booked)
I'm reading The Splendid and the Vile at the moment (Churchill's first year as PM, incl the London Blitz/Battle of Britain). It is excellent and eye-opening, and a lesson in what can be achieved in a few weeks, when good, competent people act with urgency.
Churchill straight away formed the Ministry for Aircraft Production, and within less than 2 months they were producing 600+ fighter planes a day.
It's hard to not read into it a total indictment of the modern management culture (however indirectly).
Scomo not Churchill:
I say chaps! Let's just go with the Hawker Hurricane. Rather don't like the look of those Spitfires. And ease up a bit on production, what. It's not a race after all, eh! Stiff upper lip and we must all carry on as normal. Stout fellows! Come join me at the rugger! And do we really need to be training all these pilots? We'll just get some from the Poles if we need more (well he might have kinda got that right). I have a plan you see, yes a plan! Reinforcements, what! Worry not, a new dawn is coming!
Scomo reminds me more and more of General Melchett from Black Adder Goes Forth every day.
udo wrote:A message from Riverbank Frank
https://www.facebook.com/abcwesternplains/videos/375270000887734
There's a lectern in NSW that has been used on a daily basis by an inferior imposter.
That lectern, quite obviously, should have been the domain of the true leader and orator Riverbank Frank. Would've got some straight answers and clear advice.
What a legend.
It
Islandbay…Jacinda will be hoping for another baby to get the good folk who are waking up to the spin, back on track.
I remember her saying…we will be the most transparent govt ever.
Seems to be two different stories on the reasons for threats of upcoming truckie strikes. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9917753/Australian-truck-driver.... https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/strike-at-trucking-firm-toll-ris.... https://7news.com.au/news/nsw/strike-called-by-toll-truck-drivers-amid-l...
Island Bay wrote:Cacadajy, if you have the time and stomach for it, here's an excellent synopsis:
https://democracyproject.nz/2021/08/23/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-t...
OK wow.
So $1.4M ($700k ea) to a PR Firm to push the get vaccinated message and to a Law firm to go buy the jabs.
AZ vaccine that I believe is manufactured here in Oz won't be an option so NZ have a choice of 1 vaccine. (Yes oxymoron I know)
Article goes pretty hard at Govt, with lots of links to other articles has some balance with links to a few with defence of Govt. Nice.
But oh my giddy aunt. I had no idea (who did) that apparently a pretty big cohort of bureaucrats in really important departments of Government have not;
1. Reviewed the shortcomings that arose last time and polished their shit up till it is crystal clear (essential v non ess freight) or made changes to anything really,
2. There are more ventilators, yay, but actually less staffed ready to go ICU beds than the first wave.
3. And no increase in staff to give vaccines and do testing at the same time?
Sorry just re-gurging the article.
Surely the reality isn't as bad as this piece makes out. 12 months to at least clean a whiteboard, call a meeting and start with what can we do now so we do better next time "no such thing as a bad idea people"
With the level of competency highlighted in that article looks like Jacinta borrowed the play book from Scott???
I'm not surprised at the truckie's strike at Toll one little bit. Toll has a reputation as a truly miserable place to work due to poor management.
Cacadajy wrote:Island Bay wrote:Cacadajy, if you have the time and stomach for it, here's an excellent synopsis:
https://democracyproject.nz/2021/08/23/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-t...
OK wow.
So $1.4M ($700k ea) to a PR Firm to push the get vaccinated message and to a Law firm to go buy the jabs.
AZ vaccine that I believe is manufactured here in Oz won't be an option so NZ have a choice of 1 vaccine. (Yes oxymoron I know)
Article goes pretty hard at Govt, with lots of links to other articles has some balance with links to a few with defence of Govt. Nice.
But oh my giddy aunt. I had no idea (who did) that apparently a pretty big cohort of bureaucrats in really important departments of Government have not;
1. Reviewed the shortcomings that arose last time and polished their shit up till it is crystal clear (essential v non ess freight) or made changes to anything really,
2. There are more ventilators, yay, but actually less staffed ready to go ICU beds than the first wave.
3. And no increase in staff to give vaccines and do testing at the same time?
Sorry just re-gurging the article.
Surely the reality isn't as bad as this piece makes out. 12 months to at least clean a whiteboard, call a meeting and start with what can we do now so we do better next time "no such thing as a bad idea people"
With the level of competency highlighted in that article looks like Jacinta borrowed the play book from Scott???
Those are facts, not political points scoring. We are useless - well, our govt is. What I mean by that is, that they are very very poor at getting things done, even obvious stuff like ICU capacity etc.
But yes, it's a hard read :-/
Craig wrote:Island Bay wrote:The thing is that they’ve had a year and a half to beef up the health system - more ICU beds etc - but haven’t. Borrowed $100 billion, but still didn’t .
Every bad flu season the health system is overwhelmed. 60-70000 died in the 17-18 flu season in the US, and hospitals were screwed.
Should have been an indication of where to focus, but some thought that we could just stamp it out.
Wow NZ haven't ramped up their capacity and ICU units at all? Surely they've done something?
Um......na pretty much nothing and the vaccine roll out is a stroll out
Cacadajy wrote:Island Bay wrote:Cacadajy, if you have the time and stomach for it, here's an excellent synopsis:
https://democracyproject.nz/2021/08/23/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-t...
OK wow.
So $1.4M ($700k ea) to a PR Firm to push the get vaccinated message and to a Law firm to go buy the jabs.
AZ vaccine that I believe is manufactured here in Oz won't be an option so NZ have a choice of 1 vaccine. (Yes oxymoron I know)
Article goes pretty hard at Govt, with lots of links to other articles has some balance with links to a few with defence of Govt. Nice.
But oh my giddy aunt. I had no idea (who did) that apparently a pretty big cohort of bureaucrats in really important departments of Government have not;
1. Reviewed the shortcomings that arose last time and polished their shit up till it is crystal clear (essential v non ess freight) or made changes to anything really,
2. There are more ventilators, yay, but actually less staffed ready to go ICU beds than the first wave.
3. And no increase in staff to give vaccines and do testing at the same time?
Sorry just re-gurging the article.
Surely the reality isn't as bad as this piece makes out. 12 months to at least clean a whiteboard, call a meeting and start with what can we do now so we do better next time "no such thing as a bad idea people"
With the level of competency highlighted in that article looks like Jacinta borrowed the play book from Scott???
Bryce Edwards is a pretty left leaning journo and he just compiles all the articles floating around which makes it a hard read at times. NZ government incompetence is catching up with them and I for one are sick of being told to wait another 3 days to see if we can get back to business and go surfing again only to have hopes dashed time and again. We still have zero cases outside of Auckland and Wellington and yet all of NZ we aren't allowed to surf for the last week and the next week. It's looking increasingly like a power grab from Jacinda especially shutting down parliament and not allowing any scrutiny of government decisions. Democracy is not being served right now
You are right 're Bryce but he includes pro Govt commentary and links for balance.
My take on NZ is this lockdown is crucial to eliminate any possibility of even a small scale outbreak. Because if NZ starts seeing an outbreak and numbers in the 10's then 40 then 70 then 110 you poor buggers, I think, are screwed.
It is late winter and slowly coming off peak flu season and somehow, with the most damaging pandemic virus in what.... 90 years, the NZ health system is maxed with Flu and normal patients.
NZ healthcare system does not seem to have the capacity for a mini van crash with 6 people needing care let alone 30 Covid patients rocking up at the end of the week. I may be wrong.
There is Government incompetence in there somewhere but if I was there I would cop another 7 or 10 days in hibernation just to make sure that something small doesn't start and turn into something unstoppable. Your Healthcare system seems to be 2 coughs and an engagement party away from collapse.
Hate to be negative so rock on Man of Poo.
"It's looking increasingly like a power grab from Jacinda especially shutting down parliament and not allowing any scrutiny of government decisions. Democracy is not being served right now." poo-man
I hate to say it, but I agree. Power grab + desperation.
And Cacadajy, we're already at 148 cases.
Jacinda is running out of goodwill. Too many are starting to wake up that she and Labour really are not qualified to run NZ these days. The debt will hang over the country forever.
IB there is hope. A bit of inconvenience right now, must suck.
But NZ is a smaller far more agile nation than Aus. And that moment when the reporting of daily case numbers is overshadowed by the reporting of vaccination rates is coming.
Re agility, I beg to differ. Things never happen here; there's no urgency; no talent and will in terms of execution and implementation.
Really? I just assumed.
Cause every Kiwi I have ever met has been a smart ass.
As in intelligent bums ; )
It's just the current govt, Caca. Zero talent.
Island Bay wrote:Re agility, I beg to differ. Things never happen here; there's no urgency; no talent and will in terms of execution and implementation.
Yep too true......they've certainly been basking in the glory of having eliminated covid but it's back big time now. 62 cases today so given that Jacinda has stated they'd lock down for one case then we could be shut for ages. As much as our lockdown is super tough there's been increasing transmission even in lockdown so it's not looking good right now. All in Auckland and a few in Wellington so hopefully we get let out of the cage this weekend
Regional NSW lockdown extended to Sept 10. WTF!!!
This is coming from a government that previously majorly resisted lockdowns even when it was obvious that they needed to in Greater Sydney. Nth and Sth NSW has no or bugger all cases so why lockdown these people? Stop travel into and out of these LGAs, but allow the unaffected LGAs to get on with life FFS!!!
too sensible donweather...
and simple, couldn't possibly work
I'd be revolting about now if I was in the northern rivers, ....and I don't mean like that time in the 90's, living in the back of my station wagon...
Haha!
Yep, I've been revolting from time to time too.
donweather wrote:Regional NSW lockdown extended to Sept 10. WTF!!!
This is coming from a government that previously majorly resisted lockdowns even when it was obvious that they needed to in Greater Sydney. Nth and Sth NSW has no or bugger all cases so why lockdown these people? Stop travel into and out of these LGAs, but allow the unaffected LGAs to get on with life FFS!!!
How the Furk does Gladys relax restrictions on outside gatherings , with the worst day yet in NSW.......Hazzard claiming ,"the system is coping well , we have an extra 1500 ICU beds," then listen to the head of the Nurses union, claim workers are exhausted Docs are being over run as are the hospitals....and there is no-one to actually man the 1500 ICU beds as there is no-ne qualified......
Politician speaketh with Forked Tongue.....Workers speak from exhaustion!
Just announced a short time ago. Apparently the stay-at-home orders will be in place for a week.