Australia - you're standing in it
SG - does this mean antibiotics will NOT become ineffective in the future ?
So proud on how Australia bats so high in the order in many important fields .
Did you have a look at 4DX ? Clinical trial results should be out in the next 2 months .
"does this mean antibiotics will NOT become ineffective in the future ?"
Don't know about that Hutch, but there have been minimal new antibiotics developed in the last 20 years. Hence any adjunct that can improve efficacy of the AB's we already have, is very welcome...early days on that front.
As they stated in the article AB's have been the cornerstone of modern medicine, if more superbugs develop AB resistance without the medicines to combat them, then humanity as we know it is in deep trouble.
My opinion only, I think COVID19 (which is viral and therefore not sensitive to AB's), is just a warning shot across the bows...
Totally not authoritarian. Totally in the spirit of democracy. Dictator Dan really going for it now.
https://theconversation.com/victorias-draft-pandemic-law-is-missing-one-...
The power Dan wants is gobsmacking . Does ANYONE think now it hasn't gone to his head ?
Think Australia Has Become Too Orwellian? Victoria Premier Dan Andrews Says "Hold My Beer."
BY BLUEAPPLES
TUESDAY, OCT 26, 2021 - 9:48
It seemed that Australia had reached the pinnacle of becoming a dystopian phantasmagoria when it implemented state-wide surveillance apps to track citizens in order to assure "compliance" with draconian lockdowns. In proving that tyranny has no bounds, the initiative which many viewed as the apex of authoritarianism in Australia should have been seen as a preface instead of a climax. The next phase of Victoria Premier Dan Andrew's totalitarian takeover begins when his state's parliament resumes today and the Public Health and Wellbeing (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021 is introduced into the lower house of its legislature.
With Victoria's current state of emergency set to expire on December 15th, the new legislation would make its conclusion a moot point by permanently replacing it in effect. The bill would consolidate power into the hands of Andrews by giving him and his health minister unilateral power in declaring pandemic-related states of emergency in the state and issuing new health orders without them being brought to a vote by parliament. Under the proposed law, all that is necessary for the authorization of any new emergency declaration is that the Victorian Premier must offer a report to the parliament that includes the advise offered by the Victoria Health Minister and Chief Health Officer. These declarations can apply to the whole of Victoria that Andrews has jurisdiction over or specified areas of the state on a more limited basis.
While declarations are limited to an initial period of 4 weeks, the law also states that there is no limit on the number of times they can be extended. All that is necessary for implementing a 3-month extension of any declaration is that the Premier's Office consults with its Chief Health Officer before authorization. Though the expansion of powers that would be granted to Andrews would also establish a prerequisite for his office to consult with a public health committee as well, critics view that measure as little-more than ceremonial.
Once any pandemic declaration is introduced by the Premier, the Health Minister of Victoria would have the express authority to issue a pandemic order under their belief that it is necessary to protect public health. Pandemic orders made by the Health Minister would allow them to order the detention of citizens as well as forced medical examinations and testing.
The punitive measures designed to enforce pandemic health orders are unlike any Australia has seen. Clause 29 of the proposed legislation designates failing to comply with any pandemic order as "an activity that involves an immediate risk to the health and safety of a person." If the law passes then individuals who violate any public health orders face fines of up to $90,000. Businesses found to be non-compliant would risk being fined as much as $450,000. Part 2 of the bill perhaps best represents the authoritarian measures it would allow by enabling the Victorian government to imprison individuals for 2 years if they have been deemed to knowingly violate a pandemic order which puts others at "serious risk."
While the bill has been viewed as another instance of Andrews taking advantage the coronavirus pandemic to increase his power, the proposed legislation does not limit his would-be authority to public health considerations regarding COVID-19 alone. The language of the bill also would codify that health orders issued by Andrews' office could be made under the ambiguous terms of being in the interest of stopping "a disease of pandemic potential."
It's clear that Andrews' support of the severe measures included in the Public Health and Wellbeing (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021 are not something he would be held accountable to. Earlier this month, the Victoria Premier was caught on video violating existing pandemic orders by walking around without wearing a mask. Despite this infraction, Andrews was fined just $400 ASD after being found to have not worn a mask on two separate occasions during the same week. If an expansion of his pandemic powers is approved, it's doubtful that he will be among the Australian citizens who could forced into detained in a quarantine camp anytime soon.
"It seemed that Australia had reached the pinnacle of becoming a dystopian phantasmagoria when it implemented state-wide surveillance apps to track citizens in order to assure "compliance" with draconian lockdowns. "
I know that was proposed by the SA State Govt as a trial for home quarantine (instead of hotel quarantine).
Did it actually happen Hutchy?
And has any other state used it?
Not sure Freeride and not keen to research . I decided , years ago , for my own sanity not to read the detail and commit to memory Dan's decisions .
The old saying goes " governments lose elections , oppositions don't win them ".
He caused the deaths of 650 people with his Hotel quarantine decision that NO ONE could remember being made .
Caught red handed using unauthorised money to for campaigning .
Locked us down more than any city in the world for limited benefit . Built Rings of Steel .
Another inquiry now which may cause shit to be thrown at him .
More stuff ups than a taxidermist and I think he would be favourite to win the next election .
He has taken the definition of Teflon to a new high .
People like Viclocal are conservative here in Vic . We have the only Green electorate .
Even my electorate has a LNP member like Turnbull .
No wonder I get compared to one of the old grumpy blokes on The Muppet Show .
Gee the Advocate digs deep to show their views .
"They say -While Queensland, WA and the territory have remained almost completely free of lockdowns for the best part of this year – most people would assume that now would be a good time for the opposition to start positioning themselves as a more competent alternative to Victoria’s current government.
Despite all of this, a literally broken man who has imprisoned his own constituents for close to 300 days, is still looking like the better option than the soft-handed toffs on the other side of the aisle."
Dictator Dan is a softer option than the LNP because of some horrid belief that none of them have a no one has heard of or would believe . Do you ?
Thanks for wasting my time Connie with this dribble . Close your mouth please .
Gee the Advocate digs deep to show their views .
"They say -While Queensland, WA and the territory have remained almost completely free of lockdowns for the best part of this year – most people would assume that now would be a good time for the opposition to start positioning themselves as a more competent alternative to Victoria’s current government.
Despite all of this, a literally broken man who has imprisoned his own constituents for close to 300 days, is still looking like the better option than the soft-handed toffs on the other side of the aisle."
Dictator Dan is a softer option than the LNP because of some horrid belief that none of them have a no one has heard of or would believe ? Do you ?
Thanks for wasting my time Connie with this dribble . Close your mouth please .
This,
'Goward has let us in on something she probably shouldn’t as she reveals a glinting treasure dropped from the firmament that sits above the crucible of power in this country — she tells us how they really feel about us.'
and,
'There are Pru Gowards in every safe seat in this country, in our public institutions and academia — their cloistered minds write our articles and their think-tanks shape our military and strategic future.'
You are right SG . This,
'Goward has let us in on something she probably shouldn’t as she reveals a glinting treasure dropped from the firmament that sits above the crucible of power in this country — she tells us how they really feel about us.'
and,
'There are Pru Gowards in every safe seat in this country, in our public institutions and academia — their cloistered minds write our articles and their think-tanks shape our military and strategic future.'
But for every one of her type in power there are 2 or 3 Viclocal types in power .
78% of all serious Covid reactions are linked to obesity and being overweight. Remembering that Covid is THE first, last and only form of ill health which the world is concerned about enough to destroy any concept of appropriate response, now we are told that to even discuss tackling the contributing factor in over three quarters of severe illness is dangerous?
Shutter the nation, gaol and fine people who go outside without permission but conversing about the best possible way to mitigate the effects of the virus is unacceptable!
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/as-lockdown-ended-n...
Still pushing the "let it rip" angle blowin. Seen what is happening in Brazil champ?
Your fellow traveller Bolsanaro implemented a policy you favour, the bodies piled up, and it looks like he's going to spend some time in the big house.
You've complained about every single measure governments in Australia has taken to limit covid infections. Lockdowns, waaaah, can't go to indo for a surf holiday, waaaaaah, passports, waaaaaaah, vaccines, waaaaaaaaaaaaaah, border closures. Pretty pathetic blowin and I think we all know exactly what would happen in Australia if you got your way.
If I had my way you’d be trussed up in the town square and punters would be queuing up around the block to kick you in the nuts.
Ah yes, what is the answer to disagreement? VIOLENCE! Kick 'em in the nuts, punch 'em in the head, kneecap them.
blindboy wrote:Ah yes, what is the answer to disagreement? VIOLENCE! Kick 'em in the nuts, punch 'em in the head, kneecap them.
Better alternative to violence is, riot on the streets, loot business, smash windows, setshit alight, just smash shit up, as long as people dont die, it's not violence.
Blowin wrote:78% of all serious Covid reactions are linked to obesity and being overweight. Remembering that Covid is THE first, last and only form of ill health which the world is concerned about enough to destroy any concept of appropriate response, now we are told that to even discuss tackling the contributing factor in over three quarters of severe illness is dangerous?
Shutter the nation, gaol and fine people who go outside without permission but conversing about the best possible way to mitigate the effects of the virus is unacceptable!
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/as-lockdown-ended-n...
Cant read link as reached monthly limit.
But interesting, never thought of that aspect but it makes complete sense as it's an infection that affects the lungs and people whom are obese loose breath easily.
I have never advocated rioting Indo, which is violence. In the case of BLM it is a classic case of violence creating violence. The continuing violent oppression of black Americans generates a violent response. Textbook example.
Most that create violence always have a justification.
OK blowin. Take your pills and try not to punch anybody's teeth out today.
Interesting piece Constance B Gibson.
I have a slightly different theory. Morrison and the corrupt LNP scum are so bad they only have one road to victory at the next ballot.
It comes in the form of a very fat miner who screwed his workers, and is pedalling endless Covid BS.
Palmer got the LNP over the line last time. Since then it's been an absolute shit show. About the only thing Scumo has done right was to form a national cabinet for Covid. Thank fuck the premiers of all political persuasions stared the happy clapping lunatic down.
Anyway back to Palmer. His gig is to whip up the anti-vax, anti-lockdown nutters into a frenzy. Peel away 5% of the vote (half Lib half Lab) and deliver the lunatic vote to the conservatives via preferences.
2022 could be just like 2019, where a small minority of profoundly stupid voters determine who wins and loses. Hopefully enough small l Lib voters have worked out scumo is a complete fraud and Palmers antics don't achieve anything.
My gut feel is that the LNP are so despised in Vic and WA, the LNP will be too far back no matter what Palmer does.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you …..Kristina Keneally,
https://truecrimenewsweekly.com/kristina-keneallys-corrupt-cop-son-lied-...
Gee Blowin, who would have thought bullshit would run in her family. She’s such a credible mentor.
Kristina Keneally is overrated imo .
We will see in the next election if her electorate that she muscled into agree .
From Zerohedge
In a controversial passage in Plato’s “Republic,” Socrates introduced the idea of the “noble lie” (“gennaios pseudos”).
A majestic fiction, he says, could sometimes serve society by persuading uninformed citizens of something good for them.
I like this one that Dan the Man used when he couldn't remember who made the murderous decision on hotel quarantining . "In some of these cases, when caught and exposed, the liars will hedge by claiming temporary amnesia."
"Fauci misled the country about mask-wearing during the pandemic by claiming they were of little use. But he argued that he lied so the public would not make a run on masks, deplete the supply, and thus rob medical professionals of protective equipment.
Fauci also told “noble” lies about the likely percentage of the public needing to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. He kept raising the bar—from 60 percent to 70 percent to 75 percent to 80 percent, to 85 percent.
Apparently, Fauci feared a lower figure, even if accurate, might lull people into complacency about getting inoculated.
Fauci also lied about his own role in routing U.S. aid money to subsidize gain-of-function viral research at the Wuhan virology lab—the likely birthplace of COVID-19."
"Former FBI directors Andrew McCabe and James Comey likely misled the nation.
McCabe admittedly lied that he did not leak FBI information to the media.
James Comey lied under oath on multiple occasions in congressional cross-examinations and claimed he did not know or could not remember basic facts about his own role in promoting the Russian collusion hoax.
Apparently, Comey and McCabe believed that by being less than truthful, they might better emasculate Donald Trump. And that result would be beneficial to America.
Our former intelligence leaders may have been the most brazen liars.
Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied to Congress about the NSA surveillance program, though he denied it.
When caught in the untruth, Clapper reverted to the noble lie that he gave the least untruthful answer, apparently on the pretense that he did not wish to damage the reputation of an important intelligence agency.
Ditto John Brennan, the former head of the CIA. On two occasions he lied under oath about the agency’s monitoring of Senate staffers’ computers and the deaths of civilians caused by U.S. drone assassination missions along the Afghanistan border.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley lied for days about the details of an accidental drone strike that killed innocent women and children in Afghanistan."
Scomo probably lied that he believes we can get to net zero in 2050 .
Another case of someone being treated unfairly for being white and male . It happens on this thread tooooo regularly . I have been accused of having a White mentality .
A former top healthcare executive in North Carolina was awarded $10 million in a 'reverse' discrimination lawsuit over his claim that he was unfairly fired because he is a white male, according to Winston-Salem Journal.
David Duvall, a former senior vice president of marketing and communication at Novant Health, sued the North Carolina-based company in 2019 after losing his job in July 2018 due to its campaign to diversify top execs. He said he was fired without warning or explanation (just days before reaching his five year work anniversary, a milestone that would have awarded him a higher severance payout than what he was given).
Winston-Salem Journal.
Give it a rest Hutchy. zero hedge and the poor white male victims who want multi-million dollar payouts.
This type of garbage gives conservatives a bad name.
A little US history.
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2021/11/18/sins-of-the-fathers-edward-b...
A little US history.
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2021/11/18/sins-of-the-fathers-edward-b...
Sorry Viclocal
I made a mistake and posted the above on the wrong thread . Just posted it on thread where you abused De Kock for not kneeling .
I will check there now to see if you are MAN enough to admit your mistake as others already have as I posted .
I bet you haven't and as you are very happy to give leftists a bad name .
It certainly was entertaining today https://twitter.com/emma__jayne14/status/1453916130863583234?s=21
And where’s Scotty when she needs him most ? 
Just out in the New York Times.
"SYDNEY, Australia — When Australia made its trumpet-blast announcement that it would build nuclear-powered submarines with the help of the United States and Britain, the three allies said they would spend the next 18 months sorting out the details of a security collaboration that President Biden celebrated as “historic.”
Now, a month into their timetable, the partners are quietly coming to grips with the proposal’s immense complexities. Even supporters say the hurdles are formidable. Skeptics say they could be insurmountable.
Australia’s prime minister, Scott Morrison, has laid out an ambitious vision, saying that at least eight nuclear-propelled submarines using American or British technology will be built in Australia and enter the water starting in the late 2030s, replacing its squadron of six aging diesel-powered submarines.
To pull off the plan, Australia must make major advances. It has a limited industrial base and built its last submarine over 20 years ago. It produces a few graduates in nuclear engineering each year. Its spending on science research as a share of the economy has lagged the average for wealthy economies. Its past two plans to build submarines fell apart before any were made."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/world/australia/nuclear-powered-subma...
I was going to comment but not necessary really, is it?
Michael! You’ve been here for an age and you’ve a ripe old age. For an age you were our sage, but now you’ve caused outrage and you’re off the page. It’s a (un)funny old Age.
disgraceful
the age should be cancelled!
wowserism... alive and well in australia
Or alternatively Leunig is just being a silly old goose, a tendency he has shown over recent years.
Say no to vaccine passports petition
Yeh Leunig lost it a long time ago.
whatever your politics...
aren't political cartoonists supposed to be challenging?
if a cartoonist can lose his job for that... oz has lost the plot... not leunig...
Blowin wrote:Say no to vaccine passports petition
sypkan wrote:whatever your politics...
aren't political cartoonists supposed to be challenging?
if a cartoonist can lose his job for that... oz has lost the plot... not leunig...
Oh I agree that cartoonists need to be challenging, and I don’t think he has lost his job, just shifted from prime time. A call editors make every day, editorial decisions and all that. If people don’t agree with those decisions they will read somewhere else I guess.
blowin, you're a clown.
First of all you're linking to One Nation scum bags, but you're not a racist right.
Secondly you obviously think there should be no consequences to being an anti-vax moron.
Typical of you though, wanting laws to be made for the stupidest people in society at the expense of everyone else.
Given that the hospital system is really under the pump with front line medical professionals desperate for a break, you pushing this petition shows that you are truly one shit human being. I simply don't understand why Swellnet tolerates your racist anti-science crap.
Nothing wrong with that cartoon…but, so many get triggered. Free speech should be encouraged.
I liked the cartoon and signed the one nation petition. Oh and I’m also pro vax and don’t like one nation leaders which is a shame as their mission statements are mostly good. But that’s my free choice and everyone has something to contribute sometimes. I won’t vote for Morrison if he pushes through facial recognition and vaccine passports in Australia etc…that’s a fools game with an unhappy ending.
BB- You like many in the left are so quick to turn on your own . So nasty !
Roadkill - well done for not doing the same .
I wont be signing the One Nation petition as i dont care less about vaccine passports, but i do respect others right to be against them.
Regarding the cartoon, im pro vax, but i think the cartoon is clever and it would be really sad and crazy if he lost his job because of it, cartoonist like him should be pushing boundaries and making people think.
Supafreak wrote:And where’s Scotty when she needs him most ?
ah supafreak that's hilarious.......I think ol Scomo was ah , put on the back bench at the G20...there's a great photo and story of Scomo meeting with Macron...LOL
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/the-g20-might-give-morrison-a...
"BB- You like many in the left are so quick to turn on your own ."
Nutchy, it's called accountability and it's sorely lacking on the conservative side of politics in the English speaking world (with maybe the exception of NZ)
The three clowns of Trump, Bojo, and Scumo don't get held accountable by their mob. They turn a blind eye to corrupt, racist, misogynistic, violent shitfuckery in their ranks and it's reciprocated.
Remember when Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women and the GOP came up with the "locker room talk" crap? How did that end up? A violent mob in the Capital on Jan 6.
Corruption and incompetence is rampant in Aus and the UK under the conservatives zero-consequences arrangement, but keep pretending the left being mean tho their own is the big problem.
I think I know which has a bigger consequence on the general public.
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Very happy to hold all too account Vic . Have said on this site I have been disappointed with Scomo . Have said in the past I thought Trump unelectable due to his comments on women .
Have you said the same about Clinton and JFK ?
There is a big difference to holding someone accountable on an issue and ditching them and saying they have lost it and all respect .
Again you show a terrible inability to think and comprehend . Such a shouting and abusive dummy .
@ Brutus , the photo in the article from the age that you posted, looks like scot no friends is on the nod . 
Supa - you are right . That's why the Age published it . There would have been a lot of pictures of him talking with others but they want him perceived as having no friends .
Very normal behaviour that their readers love , respect and expect .
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.