Australia - you're standing in it
Blowin wrote:Come on….let’s not beat around the bush here.
Why do you think the government is doing this? As soon as Australians are permitted to leave will let any foreigner from anywhere come here as a tourist or to buy real estate as long as they are jabbed, but temporary visa holders aren’t allowed to re-enter? The international students are coming in.
It’s government coercion.
They are bluffing the exploited workers with the call that “ Sure you can leave but you can’t come back” in order to prevent the likely loss of exploitable labour.
Apologies I found the latest version of the Dept of Immigration's policy in this regard. Seems like you are correct.
As I said time to take those blinkers off. They not only make you look stupid they make you sound stupid as well.
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Migrant Workers’ Taskforce finds systemic exploitation
By Unconventional Economist in Australian Economist
By Leith van Onselen
The federal government has expressed in-principle support for the 22 recommendations made in the report of the Migrant Workers’ Taskforce. The report found that “wage underpayment is widespread and has become more entrenched over time”, with as many as half of all migrant workers exploited. The government is set to announce criminal sanctions for “clear, deliberate and systemic” underpayment of workers, despite opposition from employers’ groups. It also intends to establish a national labour-hire registration scheme covering industries where wage exploitation is widespread. From The AFR:
The 141-page report concluded “the problem of wage underpayment is widespread and has become more entrenched over time”, with the most comprehensive survey showing as many as half of temporary migrant workers may be underpaid…
“There needs to be a much stronger enforcement response than has been evident to date,” the report said…
The Morrison government has agreed to introduce unprecedented criminal sanctions for employers who seriously exploit workers and a national registry scheme to crack down on unscrupulous labour hire firms…
It’s amazing that it has taken this long for our politicians to respond.
The 7-Eleven migrant worker scandal broke in 2015, and since then there has been a regular flow of stories emerging about the systemic abuse of Australia’s various migrant worker programs and visa system.
The 2016 report by the Senate Education and Employment References Committee, entitled A National Disgrace: The Exploitation of Temporary Work Visa Holders, also documented the abuses of Australia’s temporary visa system for foreign workers, and found that migrants were “consistently reported to suffer widespread exploitation in the Australian workforce”.
According to the ACTU, the perpetual flood of migrant workers is a direct cause of Australia’s anaemic wages growth:
The relatively recent availability of a large and vulnerable pool of temporary migrant workers has undoubtedly contributed to current record low levels of wages growth and a growing reluctance by employers to train local workers…
There have been a range of abuses uncovered which have clearly shown that the entire system is broken. From 7-11 and Domino’s to agriculture, construction, food processing to Coles, Dominos and Caltex, it is clear that the abuses occur in a number of visa classes whether they be students, working holiday makers or visa workers in skilled occupations…
Migration intermediaries have a vested interest in inflating demand. Australia has created a massive industry with many migration agents outside of our jurisdiction who cannot be prosecuted for breaches. This mushrooming “migration industry”- a complex and transnational web of agents, lawyers, labour recruiters, accommodation brokers and loan sharks – is currently largely unregulated.
The growth of labour hire operators alongside the migration industry has led to companies seeking to sell temporary migrant workers to employers, creating a fake “Job Network” which preferences temporary workers over Australians.
These views were echoed by the book, The Wages Crisis in Australia, released late last year by a group of labour market academics:
Official stock data indicate that the visa programmes for international students, temporary skilled workers and working holiday makers have tripled in numbers since the late 1990s…
Decisions by the federal Coalition government under John Howard to introduce easier pathways to permanent residency for temporary visa holders, especially international students and temporary skilled workers, gave a major impetus to TMW [temporary migrant worker] visa programmes.
Most international students and temporary skilled workers, together with many working holiday makers, see themselves as involved in a project of ‘staggered’ or ‘multi-step’ migration, whereby they hope to leap from their present status into a more long-term visa status, ideally permanent residency…
Though standard accounts describe Australian immigration as oriented to skilled labour, this characterisation stands at odds with the abundant evidence on expanding temporary migration and the character of TMW jobs… the fact that their work is primarily in lower-skilled jobs suggests that it is more accurate, as several scholars point out, to speak of a shift in Australia towards a de facto low-skilled migration programme…
Put simply, temporary demand for migrant workers often creates a permanent need for them in the labour market. Research shows that in industries where employers have turned to temporary migrants en masse, it erodes wages and conditions in these industries over time, making them less attractive to locals…
Combined, then, with the problems with enforcement and compliance, it is not hard to conclude that the failure to index TSMIT is contributing to a wages crisis for skilled temporary migrant workers… So the failure to index the salary floor for skilled migrant workers is likely to affect wages growth for these workers, as well as to have broader implications for all workers in the Australian labour market.
Australia’s immigration system has become a giant rort that’s all about lowering costs for employers by crushing wages and abrogating their responsibility for training, while also feeding the growth lobby more consumers.
Indeed, the latest data from the ABS, released last month, revealed that the median income of so-called ‘skilled’ temporary migrants was a shockingly low $1,143 per week or $59,436 per year in 2016. And this is unambiguously contributing to lower wages growth across the broader economy.
Eliminating migrant abuse and raising wages would be good for the Australian economy. Why? First, because the least productive businesses would lose people, shrink and go bust, transferring workers, land and capital to more productive businesses, thereby raising average productivity across the economy. Second, because all businesses, observing higher wages, would invest more in labour saving technologies, training and restructuring to raise productivity.
This is how the labour “market” is supposed to work. However, allowing the mass importation of foreign workers circumvents the ordinary functioning of the labour market by enabling employers to pluck cheap foreign workers in lieu of raising wages, and abrogating their responsibility for training.
This is deleterious for both Australian workers and the broader economy, and must be stopped.
How can the median income of so called "skilled" migrants of $1,143 per week be "shockingly low". That is above the current average wage of a legal secretary in Tasmania and they are well skilled. Actually it would be more than a lot of wage earners in Tasmania full stop. Probably the same in most smaller regional areas. Might be shockingly low if you live in the bigger cities but that would be a choice now wouldn't it.
FMD, day in day out its the same plonkers on here** peddling the same batshit ....
** not specifically this topic at this time, tune in later and it will be something else sssssh
Lockdowns - Melbourne isn’t the world’s longest by far ....
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You don't live in Melb do you Smiley . One second longer that the previous record is WAY to far imo .
Not sure how scooter can argue against lockdowns while keeping innocent people locked up in detention
Nobody is locked up in detention all are free to go at any time, the offer of resettlement in PNG or Cambodia(both countries signed to the refugee convention) is probably still an option as is returning home with huge resettlement payments.
Quite a few have taken this option, because situations change, wars end political situations change.
Too easy, bait taken by two of SN’s resident plonkers .... easier than hooking flathead
Watch out for Kneecapper Guy, he's pretty handy with that shotgun. He'll take out your patella from 100m.
@ huh BB? I’m just a humble fisherman casting some well targeted bait into SN’s daily BS stream. Tonight landing two massive plonkers with little skill just a nose to the wind ....
Guy Kneecapper is Indo who thinks that kneecapping is a reasonable response to trespassers.
Best we watch out for the hunch backed gaoler then. The soggy old authoritarian who thinks those who are guilty of Wrongspeak should be gaoled.
Bit of a chicken and the egg conundrum : Does being a school teacher for 30 years make someone a fascist authoritarian or does one become a career school teacher because they’re a fascist authoritarian?
Well make up your mind, the other you called me a commie. But you know I always took a balanced political position when teaching. We would start the day with "Keep The Red Flag Flying" one day and " The Horst Wessel Song" the next.
blindboy wrote:Guy Kneecapper is Indo who thinks that kneecapping is a reasonable response to trespassers.
Must of missed that gem BB but I still remember the one where he expressed support for motorists delayed by extinction rebellion protests if “they took matters into their own hands”, the inference being some sort of violent response. This from the plonker who has scribed so much against BLM while remaining silent about lockdown protests.
Check out the Vegan thread. It is pretty revealing about the attitudes of some of our prominent opinionators.
So now the ALP supports the moratorium on pursuing fraudulent behaviour and the acquiring of financial benefit through deception because it doesn’t want to alienate “aspirational” Australians AKA thieves.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/labor-pledges-they-won-t-demand-...
It was nice to see John Barilaro left a jar of his hair gel on his desk for the new incoming leader…..like all good tractors and farm machinery the hair needs a good slop of Rimula X to protect.
I thought it was a jar of Vaseline, also used for protection
Barilaro been having affair with Barnabys daughter...
Barnaby Joyce’s daughter was a senior advisor to Bruz Barillaro.
She is 23.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
23 years old...and a senior political advisor. Our capital is full of great examples of nepotism.
I was thinking the same thing- laughable.
From the Honourable Macrobusiness site:
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Australia’s five Donald Trumps should shut up
By Houses and Holes in Australian Politicsat 10:00 am on October 11, 2021 | 3 comments
When MB successfully forecast and then chronicled Australia’s great “lost decade” of the 2010s, we did not anticipate it leaving a toxic rhetorical legacy worldwide.
The political carnage of the “lost decade”, in which we plodded through six PMs in seven years has, unfortunately, populated the world with a phalanx of young(ish) and damaged political misfits carrying grudges.
Literally, daily, now we have to endure the latest proclamation of drivel from an embittered former PM. These outbursts carry the implied seal of Australia’s highest office. The press has no choice but to report them and they must be taken seriously by the political economy in general.
Like a giant bat, Paul Keating swoops upon anything he sees as anti-China from his cavernous Potts Point office via connections at the China Development Bank.
Like a crumbling sphinx, John Howard haunts the press whenever his beloved Coalition chokes on its own blunders.
Like a tide of curdled milk, Kevin Rudd washes over the world on a million bucks a year from the Asia Society whose mission it is to bring us all together with Asia, whether that’s a good idea or not.
Like a pith helmeted relic, Tony Abbott genuflects before the sarcophagus of Prince Phillip at every available opportunity. Today taking the war to Taiwan.
Like an empty jar, Malcolm Turnbull echoes with perpetual policy prescriptions and values he conspicuously failed to either represent or implement himself.
Only Julia Gillard is operating with dignity and sense, using the badge of the office to further social equity and staying out of day-to-day politics.
What are these five Donald Trumps adding to Australia and the world other than their own burnished images of themselves? They are like the Office of the Australian PM: the musical. Or, perhaps FacePollie, a new and abused social media platform for inept former PMs.
Overly dramatic, amplifying divisions, reinforcing political tribalism, unlike the protocol of dignified noblesse oblige of yesteryear, the failed and pitiful five have become outriders for their respective causes, pushing civilised normatives into the profane.
This is the very opposite of what they should be doing, on-the-ground good works repaying the people that rose them on high.
If the Trump Five can’t bring themselves to put the office that they failed to good use then at least pay Australians the courtesy of putting a sock in it.
Haha "like a tide of curdled milk", KRudd in a nut shell
Well said. The collective wisdom of those 5vprevious PMs on current affairs, is pretty thin gruel.
A nice article for blowin on immigration:
afr.com wrote:Australia needs an explosive post-World War II-style immigration surge that could bring in 2 million people over five years to rebuild the economy and address worsening labour shortages, according to NSW government advice to new Premier Dominic Perrottet.
Top bureaucrats last week urged Mr Perrottet to seize the national leadership initiative by pushing a “national dialogue on an aggressive resumption of immigration levels as a key means of economic recovery and post-pandemic growth”.
https://www.afr.com/politics/australia-needs-explosive-surge-of-2-millio...
“rebuild the economy” = Pump up the Ponzi scheme.
Fuck the environment….we’ve got to sell more Sky Kennel dog box apartments to more highly skilled, yet eminently exploitable food service delivery technicians ASAP!
Australia needs more diversity just like it did in 1788!
Immigration aint gunna do it.
Especially at the level of demise coming.
Immigration has seen the evaporation of national identity in many commonwealth countries including my current residence Canada and will enable State/Gov/NWO to further control/removal of rights and lunacy.
Thumbs up for Blowin.
(even though you're angry and rightly so as you're dealing with people here who are clueless)
Lost me at New World Order.
Many Australians are so blind to their own ignorance it's hilarious.
You can want change all you can Blowin but those in power aren’t going anywhere any time soon. They’re there as part of the plan and are the chosen puppets… it’s time to put away the disillusion that “Scotty from marketing” and his pals are just the “lucky” slapstick cronies holding the keys through the worst event ever in history - every part of the propaganda the last 20+ yrs has seen them ascend there at just the right time.
It’s kinda the same way Manchurian candidates Obama and currently in power Trudeau in Canada are grafted through and there for the REAL powers that be.
Being out for a while has helped me see much more impartially and to say...
Australia - you're fucking well and truly standing in it
AndyM wrote:Lost me at New World Order.
Sorry 'tard.
Perhaps you can buy the book the NWO spokesman???
https://www.amazon.ca/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab/dp/2940631123
What exactly are you struggling with AndyM?
The whole concept? You are truly lacking if so...
Haha, Great Reset!
Keep 'em coming mate.
Lizard people?
HAARP?
I'm with Andy.
Soon as I hear NWO, I'm out. The three letter acronym has been used as a catchy description for various social and political movements for a hundred years. It sounds ominous, means nothing.
And the idjits who use it to describe a coming world Totalitarian government? Deluded as Charles Webster Baer. Goes against the last two decades of historical shifts. An easy 'answer' for people who can't or won't accept complexity in their worldview.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
stunet wrote:I'm with Andy.
Soon as I hear NWO, I'm out. The three letter acronym has been used as a catchy description for various social and political movements for a hundred years. It sounds ominous, means nothing.
And the idjits who use it to describe a coming world Totalitarian government? Deluded as Charles Webster Baer. Goes against the last two decades of historical shifts. An easy 'answer' for people who can't or won't accept complexity in their worldview.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Yeah, nah.
Which historical shifts over the past two decades are you talking about?
I guess you’re not referring to the way Western societies are starting to parrot the illiberal nature of totalitarian China in the manner that everyone falsely assumed that China would liberalise in the manner of the West?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/11/authoritarian-sty...
Shifts away from nineties and early-millennium thinking of global order, back towards state-based sovereignty.
stunet wrote:Shifts away from nineties and early-millennium thinking of global order, back towards state-based sovereignty.
I think you’ve fallen for the media’s superficial veneer of sovereignty.
The US has abandoned its borders as has England. The EU is nothing but a direct contradiction of sovereignty. Australian citizenship carries no real currency which isn’t trumped by international trade. We are inveigled in more and more sovereignty eroding transnational pacts every few years. There is zero serious oversight of foreign ownership of any sovereign territory in the West. Transnational corporations control democracies everywhere. Every Western nation has taken a huge step back from liberalism.
Not sure what you’re talking about?
Maybe you mean the Australian flag on Scotty’s face mask?
"Not sure what you’re talking about?"
After this morning's outbursts I'm not surprised.
stunet wrote:"Not sure what you’re talking about?"
After this morning's outbursts I'm not surprised.
When you call those who are aware of the growing transnational nature of governance “idjits” then I’m not surprised that you’re not surprised.
Of course there are inter-governmental organisations, mostly beneficial though some have nefarious intent, though you'll note....or should've noted, that I said it's shifting away from the wholesale liberalism promised through the nineties and early years of the century.
The point is that Australia is not at threat by some looming one world government.
I am with Offshore and think his direction is spot on .
If you are in doubt just read up on it a bit . One of their minions was just appointed to run the WHO . Guess what , the first non doctor every appointed . Look who is on the board of the World Economic Forum . Look who they are working with . What they believe and are these issues being played out NOW . Are they the most powerful group in the world today ? They are Davos on steroids !
Why put your head in the sand when one hours research is all that is needed ? Google WEF/Davos and see what comes up .
If you conclude they have no power to achieve their agenda PLEASE tell me so I can stop worrying .
Good to see you're up for some old style fear mongering when it suits you, Hutchy.
That's what one hour of research will do to you.
For me the interest I have in Blowin's coming one world government is the outfits. I reckon they will all be wearing those suits with no lapels made of shiny material, or maybe neospacetrek with lots of solid colours, and I wonder about the haircuts...the zuck look? AI bowlcuts tres chic?
adam12 wrote:For me the interest I have in Blowin's coming one world government is the outfits. I reckon they will all be wearing those suits with no lapels made of shiny material, or maybe neospacetrek with lots of solid colours, and I wonder about the haircuts...the zuck look? AI bowlcuts tres chic?
They’ll be wearing business suits and you and you’re kids will be wearing metaphoric leg irons in the form of an insurmountable Intergenerational mortgage ya dum fuck.
One world government?
How?
Constance B Gibson wrote:Cockroaches.
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/cool-says-qld-wa-sa-tas-an...
I thought you’d love Dom Perrottet. He’s planning on bringing in 2.000.000 more people to NSW in the next few years! Imagine how diverse the place will be!
Sure it might cost the lives of every koala, denude hundreds of thousands of hectares of habitat, increase the heat soak of the state by 1000% and destroy water security…..but think how unracist you can feel at parties with your other virtue signalling Fake Left mates!
...and I thought for a moment, unlikely as it seemed, that SN had attracted a woman commentator.
blindboy wrote:...and I thought for a moment, unlikely as it seemed, that SN had attracted a woman commentator.
Did you just mis gender someone?
OMFG!
Hey, you think I’m joking but once a parrot like yourself gets your head around the rules in a few months you’ll be brow beating over gender misrepresentation like no one else.
Also no surprises that you didn’t immediately know who it really was. Yourself and Vic Local took the longest which says all you need to know.
Sqwark sqwark!
It's just non stop antagonism with you today hey? Did you just wake up and thought you'd go out of your way to piss off every person you came across.
The "I can't believe it's not politics" thread.