The United States(!) of A
..... "by staying on topic" and sticking to the issues "can we seriously have a reset here" and people actually stick to facts and not made up bum splatter that " pointless(ly) insults" the intelligence of most readers.
Huh ?
Now Trump voters are universally rich and defending their castles ?
That’s a bit of a turn around. You must’ve skipped over Stu’s post ?
It's a metaphorical castle you putz.
Maybe some more tolerance for other people's points of view?
You might not agree with it, but in the case of what's happening in the states, what someone in Oz says has zero effect on the outcome, however it does help us to make sense of why Trump voters think the way they do.
Trump ain't some anomaly, nearly 70 million people have willingly voted for him, or three times the population of Australia. If you can't make sense of it then you need to understand their POV, cos it ain't going away.
You can't kill an idea.
One way or another, Trumpism is here to stay, and if Dems, or Labor, or left wingers stick their heads in the sand, crow about winning, then the clock's ticking for history to repeat itself.
You know Vic, I sometimes think you want the shootings to start to somehow validate your position.
Really Zen? I still have plenty of friends in the USA and they are worried. Some have even left the country to avoid the election. Others aren't leaving the house because they simply don't know what is going to happen.
I'm hoping Trump makes a dignified concession speech which involves begging his supporters to accept the election loss.
Stunt, it's not about convincing the RWers that they are wrong, it's about highlighting how dangerous their ideas are. God help us in their ideas become mainstream in Australia, because we'd end up like the USA. It's a country racked with violence, corruption, racism, and grinding poverty for a significant percentage of their citizens. Joe Biden has his work cut out for him to turn around the Trump shit show.
You are dead right there VL, it is a complete and utter shitshow. But currently, from the figures I'm looking at, it is still way too close to call.
Not tryna bait you, but can you not see any good points that have come from the rise of Trump, VL?
Five-star fuckwit, I know that, and he's probably flushed the remnants of the republic down the dunny, god help them, but for us, for Europe, you don't reckon he's highlighted unadressed issues with China, with unabated neolberalism and the bullshit notion of trickle down?
Maybe the latter wasn't even his aim, but it's on the table now. Do you agree with any of that?
Who will avenge this in 2024, Ivanka or Don Jnr? My money is on Ivanka to seek the mantle of first female President and to return the Trump presidency 'stolen' by 'fraud' in 2020.
I think the thing with Trump is that he isn't a politician. That, and the fact he did and said stupid shit constantly, infuriated the career politicians. He has upset the apple cart and created a shit storm, but that could quite possibly be a good thing.
"Indo, Trump fans aren't going to burn and loot. That's the tactics of people with nothing to lose."
yeh, like all those crew that rocked up in mercedes, audis, and prius's and shit, parked up in the carpark, trashed the joint, and helped themselves, all to get boxes and boxes of sneakers and designer clothes...
yeh they've got 'nothing to lose"...
the bias bullshit you constantly peddle is just next level dream land stuff
or brainwashed cultist stuff...
(see 'facism' convo above)
Fitzroy, I was looking at the figures all last night (yes I'm a numbers nerd) and it's over.
The postal votes are running massively in Biden's favour. In the bigger cities in the crucial states it's 80:20 for Biden. Trump's dead on the water and Biden steam rolled him in Michigan and Minn. With 856,000 votes to count, and trump up only by 192,000, Biden will win Pa.
Trump needs to win PA and Nevada, and the only way he's doing that is by cheating.
I think l said quite a while ago that maybe Trump is the president the U.S. had to have, to expose the corruption, the bullshit, the unabated neoliberal criminality.
But I reckon I was extremely optimistic, seems people are way too emotional, partisan and narrow-minded to get much at all out of the Trump debacle.
you're a metaphorical castle...
VL, from what I am seeing, currently Nevada is 8k votes difference (in Bidens favor) with only 75% counted.
PA Trumps ahead by 100k votes.
Am I missing something?
That's from the Associated Press live site.
I think the Trump years will evaporate and leave virtually no positive trace. Of course every issue of future racial disharmony will be blamed on the Trump years .
China will be allowed free rein under the assumption that trade is more important than ideology under a Harris / Biden Presidency. In fact I can see the world adapting to China’s ideology very easily and I think the lead in this will be taken by the US.
The US will continue to defend its Pacific defensive perimeter but it’ll soon start mirroring the Chinese penchant for totalitarianism. It’ll be social credit scores by another name within 5 years I imagine.
Without urging from a Trump government, Australia will no longer be barking at China - a position which never sat well with any of our corrupt and / or woke leadership to begin with - and the trade and neo colonialism will resume apace.
One World government steered by Chinese dictates by 2035.
Just a bit of offhand speculation . No need to cough in your rompers if you don’t agree.
"Trump ain't some anomaly, nearly 70 million people have willingly voted for him, or three times the population of Australia. If you can't make sense of it then you need to understand their POV, cos it ain't going away."
and he managed all this, ...to get 70 mil., ...half of the vote, ...despite the whole machine working against him... big tech. bias engineered in, legacy media outright censoring, people from his own party working against him ...and he still got half the vote!
and, he still might win...
"You can't kill an idea."
the 'trumpism' has just begun...
suck it up viclocal, you live in a cultist bubble
Trumpism is entirely consistent with my view of Nth America.
No matter who wins this election things will not largely change.
Did they change with Obama over 8 years?
For things to start to change in the US there needs to be a return to the centre, to consensus politics and that isn't going to happen.
The required change needs constant and incremental improvement over many presidential terms.
Democracy and the pillars of a functioning society no longer serve the purpose and now are discredited, used and/or abused to obtain or maintain power by the right.
The new far right are wanting disruption from the past.
I said here well over a month ago Nth America was fucked and the last month has only strengthened my belief.
"Who will avenge this in 2024, Ivanka or Don Jnr? My money is on Ivanka to seek the mantle of first female President and to return the Trump presidency 'stolen' by 'fraud' in 2020."
maybe the don senior
if it doesn't get in now, pretty sure he's eligible
fuck I'd like to see the media meltdown and associated crybabies tantrum from that little chain of events...
blowin, now I know we've crossed swords here plenty of times, but please pay attention very carefully to the following.
Trump and China are so similar it's scary. It's bread and circuses. (Look that up if you don't know what it means)
The CCP basically say to their citizens, don't worry about our human rights abuses and your limited political and civil freedoms, we are improving your economic position. That's how they remain in power.
Trump basically says to the USA, don't worry about my corruption, Covid failures, undermining of democracy, attacks on the media, ugly racism etc I'm improving your economic position. That's how he's tried to stay in power.
China says to the world, we are going to do business with you despite your human rights abuses. Trump says to the world, we aren't going to interfere with your countries no matter how bad human rights abuses get.
This idea that Trump is some freedom fighting super hero is just nonsense. He's only been in politics for himself, he cosies up to dictators, shuns democratically elected leaders, and couldn't give a flying fuck about anyone else but himself.
Trump's legacy is a hopelessly divided country in tatters, with a massively reduced standing in the world, and severely weakened democratic institutions.
^^^^^
why would blowin bother to pay attention to you?
actually, why would anyone listen to you...
the bias bullshit you constantly peddle is just next level dream land stuff
or brainwashed cultist stuff...
...you decide...
"The required change needs constant and incremental improvement over many presidential terms.
Democracy and the pillars of a functioning society no longer serve the purpose and now are discredited, used and/or abused to obtain or maintain power by the right."
Fair words Guy.
"Trump basically says to the USA, don't worry about my corruption, Covid failures, undermining of democracy, attacks on the media, ugly racism etc I'm improving your economic position. "
Vic if you don't understand that this is a near-universal neoliberal approach, you really, really haven't been paying attention.
If you want to pin this as being unique to Trump, you really are fundamentally missing the bigger picture.
The Blue landslide never happened. The pollsters had a bad day to say the least. Seems it’s a Biden win which is fantastic news for the elites of coastal America. I called a Trump win and the result looks set against me but believe it or not there is still a path to a Trump win. Unlikely though.
Florida set the gold standard for election management. Counted early votes as they arrived and had results on Election Day.
The failure of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan is an example of absolute inexcusable incompetence. There are plenty of reasons to doubt the integrity of these results.
Trump should never have claimed victory last night and only added fuel to the fire. Typical Trump and terrible form, no excuse for that. Interesting though that Biden claimed he was gonna win Pennsylvania when polling was around 43-55 favouring Trump (explain how this is any different). The Pennsylvania AG tweeted before the election started that Biden would win, good stuff from the partisan AG that should know better, really helpful from the top legal authority in the state. Double standards still loud and clear.
If trump acts within the law to ensure the integrity of this election it will only help Biden because if he wins, which it looks as though he has. He won’t have to answer to claims of election fraud no matter how dubious. There is footage of at least one licensed GOP scrutineer being stopped from entering counting rooms by DNC thugs. There is also hard evidence of pro Biden how to vote instructions on the doors of polling booths which is illegal in the US (not in Aus).
Remember that the DNC forced a recount of the Florida vote in the Bush/Gore 2000 election so for everyone slagging Trump with the usual and improperly used epithets like fascist and dictator should perhaps do a little more research.
Like I said it looks like Biden has won, but it is a close result and there question marks everywhere. This result needs to be absolutely bulletproof for the next four years to have any chance of pulling the US public together.
On the positive for the GOP, seems they have control of the senate for the next 2 years. Numbers of voters in the Latino, Black male, and Asian demographics went up compared to 2016, not bad for a racist! Seems like identity politics, and woke ideologies have been given a harsh rejection, which will only help the US coming together IMO, thank god. So if you hate the DNC elitist party, it’s not all bad news.
I agree Andy.
Also think that VL's is a fair assessment.
The idea that Trumpy has the media machine against him is to me, a bizarre fantasy.
Trump is the media in the USA. He's built a career out of being a media star.
He's ruthlessly used both legacy media (Fox) and new media (Twitter) as his personal mouthpieces.
Trump in no way has any impediment in using media as his vehicle, moreso perhaps that any other president in history.
I think the idea that Trumpism may have corrective effects against either corruption or trickle down economics is also fallacious.
Trump, moreso than any other Prez, has shamelessly enriched himself, family and close friends using the power of the executive.
The only distinguishing feature about Trumps nepotism/corruption has been the absolute shameless way he has employed it.
It will not be a salutary lesson.
Same for trickle down economics.
His tax cuts have been unambiguously aimed at further enriching the wealthy.
His whole economic program has been trickle down writ large.
He may leave a legacy of economic nationalism. America First may have some legs.
He may leave a legacy of watering down the woke political agenda of identity politics, if political power is realised to be significantly weakened by abandoning the concerns of white, working class Americans.
Antipathy and great power competition with China is now a bipartisan position in American politics so I think his legacy there of wrestling with China more openly will continue into a Biden administration if he wins.
"No matter who wins this election things will not largely change."
I agree to a certain point GS.
The checks and balances to the US political system are centuries old and were designed to prevent extremists or the mob taking over, and no matter how outdated their constitution is, they don't like changing it. eg 2nd amendment.
They now have a situation where a cynical power hungry party can block any changes if they control congress or the Senate. Everything changed when Newt Gingrich became leader of the house in the late 1990s. The GOP's default position was to reject everything the Clinton administration did, even if it was good for the country. The GOP did the same to Obama late in his term. Reaching across the isle became pointless, and politics in the USA suffered badly. The GOP don't mind this because they'd prefer a broken system compared to one that delivers progressive outcomes.
Sure there won't be any rapid change under Biden, but he may be able to reduce the heat of Trump's dumpster fire, especially in terms of international relations.
@Sickaz,
Biden said that he "expects" to win Penn, and that he "feels good" about the result, which is different in both emphasis and tense to what Trump said.
"If you want to pin this as being unique to Trump, you really are fundamentally missing the bigger picture."
not at all AndyM. Scomu and Boris do it big time too. if only we were more like NZ, Canada and some of the Scandinavian countries. not that they are perfect, but their governments are a shit load better than scumo's corrupt fuckers who got in on the back of palmer..
Faark...he he
Also, this. Really important to watch (couple of mins, but worth it). From a week and a half ago (Oct 23rd).
Thanx for posting that link Ben...yes it's Excellent.
Here's a few massive election anomalies flying under the radar..
2 x Record Age Prez candidates = 74yr old (vs) 77yr old ... (Sure to fire up voterz)
110yr Vote Record = 160m-67% (US-2016-138m-58.1%) (vs) UK-2019-67.4%)
Record Poll Booth Cull =10% (1688 booths)
tbb: Wotz it all mean?
Record Slow Count = Extra 22m Votes in 10% less 6ft covid restricted booths!
Who are these new voters & why come out to vote for 2 renowned old pervs?
Before we Tally..note the wild demographic that defies human scale.
tbb thinks someone is stackin' somethin'....
Registration
18-19 yr/old -*Spike + *Suppression States > (*South Dakota less 46%?)
(*Idaho +132%) Minnesota +74% / Kansas >California >New Jersey >Maine +55%
Both States share similar #11 population rate + Both are 9 /10 white.
But differ 178% in 1st time 2020 voter enrolment anomaly.
*- South Dakota were victims of Ballot Booth purge...(50-100 Less Booths)
They also closed voter registration 15 days prior to record Grandpa Shoot out!
*+ Idaho were afforded 5 more booths + mobile booths to their doors.
Same day Vote registration / Party change Ballot combo at General Election.
Record Pre Poll spooked God's children to vote out Covid Demons.
Like an Aussie Boxing Day Stampede...outta my way you, I wanna dunk Grandpa!
Idaho came out on top! ( 2020 Voting Rate 85% Total) see > (2016 Hawaii 43.2%)
tbb did squint & stretched it to 60% difference...but 178%. (Perhaps pets Vote?)
18-24 yr / olds (Way less hype in 2nd time voters) Reads high in swing states?
Idaho +39% / Georgia +35 / Minnesota-Vermont +34%
Oregon is so suss!
Oregon has high voter % = 2016 -80.3% (2020 + 400,000 more registered)
Oregon Youth % = Was the 3rd lowest > less 20% votes than 2016 (Huh?)
Again this just can't ring true...tbb may examine another day! (It's Cooked!)
Southern States registered 2million more Latinos now 14.6m
1.7m (313%) aged 18-39. ( I guess we read about these numbers of Latinos!)
Latinos helped Democrats to victory but...
Trump has reported 200% jump in some religious Latino circles due to Covid.
Religious folk / youth above & here or any kind are sticking with Trump.
God Trump is milking the Covid Cooties in religious heartlands Nation wide.
Be fair to say Covid is keeping Trump Alive.
In closing the 1st time Youth votes Idaho 132% > Latinos 313% are off the charts!
Keep in mind up to 70% Georgia Blacks / Youths were denied..(Postal & Booths)
2020 rolls out a wild 383% US Youth Vote Anomaly
Summary : way Less Blacks > way way more White / Latino Religious Youth.
Blacks / Indians register weeks in advance travel 400 miles & wait 12 hours to vote.
Evangelical Youth whistle the mobile booth disco & change any colour they like.
Record Poll numbers hide the fact that USA are running the biggest sham election.
tbb & crew are just saying...we hear ya brothers! [BLM]
Cheers Vic.
And with regards to that "spiritual advisor" vid posted by Ben, may I add -
holy fuck.
some of the stuff in this thread makes fonzie on his water ski's look positively oscar winning
Can you imagine living next door to Paula White? Man you would never get to sleep she would be one very noisy fuck :[
Republican voters have sent the following into power;
1. A full on Qanon nutter
2. A 25 year old who went on a Hitler history tour because it was on his bucket list. When he won, he tweeted "suck it liberals".
3. A dead person
but that video Ben posted is next level batshit crazy.
Republican voters? Really? do you mean traditional republican conservatives who were for family, church and community, who cared about truth and fairness? Nah, people who voted Trump weren't Republican voters in a historical sense.
..... and is the Republican Party actually still the party people voted for 20, 30 or longer years ago? No again.
At the risk of repeating myself Trump was always going to be the narcissistic pea brain he has been as president but it is the Republican Party that supported him through thick and thin that people should be white hot angry about. The Republican Party that once stood for something that has compromised itself so badly for power.
It's scary shit folks, we are witnessing historic events.
Everyone relax . The trouble is over .
Now we are back to the financially advantageous illegal invasions of innocent countries committed under ever President exception Trump.
At least you won’t have to read mean tweets.
haha. WTF is that chick in the video?? Scomo woulda been frothing on that shit. And great research TBB.
Yep! Bernie nailed it Ben. Bernstrodamus!!
'US election result is in doubt, but one thing's for sure: The economy will never be the same'
"While a Biden administration would more likely adopt a less pugnacious approach to Beijing, the course has been set. America has become more insular and so too will the rest of the world, a trend that has accelerated since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic.
At some stage, should relations deteriorate markedly between the US and China, we may be given no choice as to where we send our minerals and energy. It could well be a directive from Washington."
Mean tweets, Blowin?
But what about his just plain idiotic ones? Like the petulant Goodyear accusation that sent stocks spiralling down but could've been averted with just one Google search? Or his "intelligence" about the Beirut bombing that no other intelligence agency knew about?
Yeah, we'll miss those.
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@MSignorile on twitter - 1h-
"In Arizona the Trumpers are outside the processing center chanting, "Count those votes!"
In Georgia the Trumpers were chanting, "Stop the count!"
You can't make this up"
haha. Just like an episode of the Simpsons Sheepdog.
Compulsory voting and the Australian Electoral Commission.
Yew!
@ Guy
Below is my comment that you say is made up bum splatter, so instead of just ignoring it or challenging it, you post some photo implying im a goat fucker or something. (the second time in the last week or so)
"Looks like the USA is going to go back to kissing Chinas' arse and back to another war in the middle east :("
Yeah it's a quick simple half tongue in cheek one liner posted this morning when i saw it looks like Trump want get in so a little disappointed, but does it hold any possible truth ?
Well we know Trump has played hard ball with China over trade and been critical of them allowing the virus to escape among other things.
Will this continue under Biden or will things go back to more arse kissing type diplomatic relations?
Can you see Biden taking the same no BS approach towards China as Trump?
From a recent Time article
“If Biden wins, he may take a multilateral approach, more coherence with U.S. alliances. If Trump wins, he’ll definitely continue harsh policies toward China.”
https://time.com/5904705/us-election-china-foreign-policy-trump-biden/
Wars: We know Trump is the first president since the 50's not to get involved in more wars overseas.
Is the trend likely to go back to normal or stay as Trump has set it?
Based on history its fair to say the likely hood is USA will get involved in more conflicts and Biden is not exactly a departure from your typical USA president.
"One Good Thing: Trump first president since Carter not to drag America into foreign wars"
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/one-good-thing-trump-first-president-sinc...
So is my comment fair or just bum splatter?
BTW. I even choose news sources im sure you love.
That video is weird, but its just as weird there is a twitter page called "right wing watch" and even sadder people follow it.
Im not on twitter but god, i really hope there isn't one for the right called "left wing watch" that would be even weirder.
Sypkan, you are right, just looked it up, he can run again in 2024 if he loses. It has a precedent and is allowed under the US Constitution. Fuck me, This shit is never going to end. I have no doubt he will do it, maybe this time with Ivanka as VP. The left will freak out and I give him a good chance of getting back in.
It’s going to be a hassle resetting the doomsday clock to imminent destruction if Trump gets back in again.
The hands on that thing look quite weighty.
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank