New Victoria restrictions
No mate . I just listened to the advice given by the World Health Organisation.
Vic on what basis do you disagree with the WHO?
"Vic on what basis do you disagree with the WHO?"
AndyM, unlike blowin, I don't cherry pick stuff to reverse engineer an ideological outcome.
After 10 months of Covid 19, anyone with half a brain has worked out that this virus is very predictable. Blind Freddy could see Europe and the USA were getting another wave as the weather cooled and they relaxed social distancing regulations.
Only a village idiot (hello blowin) can't join the dots between relaxed restrictions, increased infection rates, and the economic damage that causes. Restrictions will be eased but they have to do it incredibly slowly or we will just end up with a 3rd wave. I'd rather believe the medical experts in Australia than a racist imbecile on swellnet.
I actually agree with soggydog, I'm more than happy to keep the viccos over there... nothing personal... ...actually maybe a little personal...
but the fact is, the virus ain't that bad, the death toll ain't that high, the science has changed... significantly...
and, oz is paralysed by it's success
Im cool to keep oz as it now, truly best case scenario for my little existence... but this either/or mentality re. lockdown isn't rational.. its become totally political, and that is now appearing more dangerous than the virus
I actually still think the virus should be treated with extreme caution, but my reasons are way different to the crap peddled on here
The political narrative for Covid is definitely changing. It’s no longer a health crisis; slowly but steadily it’s more about personal liberty and economics.
Figure this. Victoria is apparently following the Federal (Crisis) Cabinet’s recommended approach to lockdown yet Morrison and Frydenberg are touring the country calling for Victoria to open up.
Further, NSW approach good, Tasmania and SA good but WA and Qld very bad.
What every pandemic in the last 100 years has shown is the 2nd and 3rd waves were deadlier than the first. The northern hemisphere going into winter is cherry ripe for massive infection rates and especially so with weak and confused messaging on Covid; knuckleheads like Johnson and Trump are useless because you can’t be popular(ist) and Covid effective at the same time.
Reflection: last weeks budget will see the country over a trillion in debt. No problem? Ok, for all that borrowed money Morrison spent last week name one lasting economic reform that will provide productivity increases in the future. There wasn’t any not one, just tax cuts to the base which coincidently further erodes the ability of any future government to fund the sort of urgent structural reforms the country needs.
A trillion pissed up against the wall!
Guy....no point discussing third waves or infection rates unless it’s acknowledged that the virus is no where as deadly as it was initially made out to be. It seems that some are having a hard time realising that not many of the extreme actions taken to combat the virus were ever needed.
It’s not a case of us now being in a better position to reassess our level of response but the fact that the virus is now better understood and known to be not even remotely as terrible as we first believed.
Here’s an observation : Victorians are far , far more likely to still carry on like it’s the Spanish Flu revisited instead of just a virus which might be potentially dangerous for a small percentage of a specific demographic within the population . I think that Victorians act like this because the propaganda about the virus is still being pushed in their faces so hard.
In the other states , it seems that no one beyond the the anxiety prone really seems to really give a fuck. And nor should they for they’ve seen that the whole episode has been so overblown that it’s ridiculous. Many people love the free money and controlled borders cause it suits their lifestyle, it’s got nothing to do with surviving the virus .
Anyone who says that returning to normal life is displaying hatred of humanity or that those questioning the authoritarian impulses of politicians are callous murders with the blood of viral victims on their hands are people who do not understand the science. All evidence shows that the virus IS NOT THAT DEADLY.
The Science :
CDC data :
Vic what cherry picking?
What reverse engineering?
The WHO's stance has changed, why would you not take this on board - is it ego?
Or maybe anything that supports the stance of an ideological opponent is just not open for consideration.
I actually don't care either way, lockdown or no lockdown, it's not affecting me.
I'm just curious as to the thought processes going on here.
Trump’s Covid Doctor ( as pictured above) has (1,) issued a written statement saying he does not endorse the use of his picture in Trump’s political campaign and (2,) Been banned by the White House from any further public comments on the matter.
"In a world first, a number of health experts from all over the world came together calling for an end to coronavirus lockdowns earlier this week.
They created a petition, called the Great Barrington Declaration, which said that lockdowns were doing “irreparable damage.”
“As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” read the petition.
“Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.”
The petition has had 12,000 signatures so far.
It was authored by Sunetra Gupta of the University of Oxford, Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University."
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-backfli...
Blowin, whatever and wherever the truth (ie the true medical science) is on Covid the thing I will never forget nor forgive about this pandemic is how it’s been politicised and people / voters have been encouraged to split down party political lines. The old divide and conquer trick no more so than in Nth America but a lesser degree here. Well Morrison’s budget not only emptied the cookie jar it also raided the flour supplies for decades ..... it’s locked the country into neoliberal policy for decades and a massive unprecedented explosive increase in immigration when is safe (it’s the only way the economy will grow in the future otherwise the country is bankrupted).
Blowin, Do you want to back out now about your CDC facts and figures, or would you like me to humiliate you first?
Ignoring the politicised back and forths between crew sitting pretty....outside of the lockdown zones.....this was refreshing to see from Daniel Andrews today:
Question:
Is the government reassessing the targets it has set?
Daniel Andrews:
Yes we are, I think.
They are a series of targets that are based on 1,000 plus assumptions, and as I have said many times, data always trumps the assumptions that we have fed into any model.
Even if it is a robust model between lots of universities and experts and we have a number of research institutes, bored as we have continued to evolve that.
It may be at a point where we have to call it, where we have to say that this is as good as it will get, that means there is some greater risk, that means that the task of keeping this thing suppressed will be harder, but, that is where we find ourselves, and that the choice that we have to make.
WHO's position hasn't changed, in fact they just reaffirmed their support for lockdowns.
It was one adviser in an interview with Boris Johnson's old rag, then some lazy headlines such as in the Age today.
Come on Vic Local ....embarrass me ?
In the past few days alone you’ve claimed :
1 / Trumps “ shoulder breathing “ shows he’s still ready to die - fact check BULLSHIT
2/ Trump has jeopardised the lives of dozens of his inner circle with his virus - fact check ( no one died ) BULLSHIT
3/ Donald Trump’s words led to the plan to kidnap a US governor - fact check ( Kidnappers were Anti Trumpers ) BULLSHIT
4/ Stating that the WHO has reversed its lockdown advice is “ cherry-picking “ - fact check BULLSHIT
I could go on but I’ve been away a bit and it’s a bit boring but you get the picture.
Stok - thanks for that update. All signs absolutely pointing to an easing of restrictions this Sunday that at least will allow significantly more outdoor activities to take place, including travel distances increased or travel limitations removed completely. I still reckon the metro/regional border will stay for a bit.
The only thing with this now is that anyone eyeing off a trip to Qld or WA in the near-to-medium term probably needs to kiss those plans goodbye. If Vic keeping ticking along with a handful of cases then they aren't letting us in. Really wonder what the future holds for Victoria for the next 12 months or so.
Dx3 and Stok hope you crew get some waves/good outcomes out of the announcement.
Borders: Can regional Vic go to NSW/SA/NT/TAS currently? I didn't think so? In WA's case I think McGowan has said no letting border down until 28 days of no infections Australia wide.
Blowin. When you’re quoting the same figures as Pete evens it doesn’t end well. Sure you don’t want to back out now?
Why are you so scared bloke ?
Your panic is ugly and unbecoming. Feel free to remain locked in your basement if the world is too threatening.
Blowin the figures you are quoting have been doing the rounds on social media and Fox News. They aren't from the CDC. They are a misrepresentation of the CDC figures by a factor of 100. Somebody doesn't understand maths mate.
https://www.aap.com.au/death-rate-figures-for-covid-19-dont-add-up/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the second time you've tried to pass off these figures, and you got exposed as a fraud a couple of months ago?
I think the phrase "zero credibility" suits you to perfection.
Yes , you’re right. They are ratios.
The true figures reveal that the fatality rate amongst those infected who are younger than 49 years old are actually lower than the fatality rate of influenza. And the data for those over 60 are heavily skewed due to the age bracketing extending to over 100 years old.
Does this fact influence your opinion or are you determined to remain staunchly in the wrong over the severity of the virus. Do you ever reassess your ideological position with new information or do you just assume a stance and cement it into permanence ? I think it’s the latter and it’s how a fool goes about his business.
You sound an awful lot like Pete Evan’s extreme opposite. He has swallowed the lie that there is no virus whilst you’ve swallowed the lie that it’s a second Spanish Flu / plague.
You’re as equally removed from reality and just as comedically stupid..
Cheers VJ - would love nothing more than that feeling of rubbering up and then paddling out. Soon enough I hope.
No idea on the regional VIC's and borders, if not now pretty soon I think, WA & QLD excluded for the moment.
"It may be at a point where we have to call it, where we have to say that this is as good as it will get,"
Yeah, that was a big change in approach dropped in there. Maybe 5km rule goes this weekend - wave pool? - then ring of steel two weeks after? They usually say they like to monitor changes for 14 days.
"You sound an awful lot like Pete Evan’s extreme opposite."
Thanks blowin. I am. Unlike Evens (and yourself), I only use facts in my argument.
You've bullshitted again and been out by a factor of 100. "Yes , you’re right. They are ratios." Oh my. They aren't ratios at all. Stop it, you're embarrassing yourself so much.
The thing is, you're not embarrassed, and you've responded with a ridiculous straw man argument.
This is your MO. Bullshit piled on top of bullshit.
"Yeah, that was a big change in approach dropped in there. Maybe 5km rule goes this weekend - wave pool? - then ring of steel two weeks after? They usually say they like to monitor changes for 14 days."
I bet the high court challenge has spooked them a bit too. Highly unlikely to get anywhere and like Clive's will take a while to get going but it will suck in resources and money to fight. Like the curfew easier just to drop the restrictions.
Floodgates will be open soon, enjoy the last few weeks of relatively uncrowded surf!
Scomo dumps his mistress over Dirty Dazza's Dipstick.
NSW Alert ~ Level 5 Meltdown! ( NSW Premier is on the run...dob her in!)
NSW Premier grabs the bag, crashes Vic border gates, finger salutes her old state!
Gladys : "Hello! Is this Dan's Hot Hotel...2 year Quarantine with bouncers, no cops!"
Opposite of Pete Evans - best compliment ever.
Dx3 - yep...not expecting that anytime soon. I am however expecting it to happen in an abrupt way.
Cheers VJ - it's getting better now. I've been kitesurfing heaps as there's a bit more daylight, and it's been a windy spring.
I know for all those living out of Melbourne and Victoria, keeping the borders closed almost indefinitely seems great. This also applies to international borders too. But it aint - we need to be able to learn to move freely again and manage this, otherwise we may as well kiss tourism and skilled migration goodbye...among other things.
"It may be at a point where we have to call it, where we have to say that this is as good as it will get,"
posted above, that's music to my ears. Call it already. Lets start living again
Vicland Vice.
{ Censored Qld Mag hailing exemplary Victorians bossing Vicland }
Eddie parachutes into 'Ministry of AFL / Logies / Vic Mogul-Minogue Exemptions.
Tip for Crew " Buyer is said to be High Profile figure in Toorak."
2020 Toorak buyer paid equal record price of $25m for Mermaid Beach house.
Buyer intends it as a family Holiday Home...( VIP must have AAA List Exemption?)
Sold by (Breakfree) Tony Smith former AFL Player paid $12m in 2014
https://www.realestate.com.au/news/tony-smiths-beachfront-mansion-sold-i...
* Smartarse Qldurrz kept dobbing in Hire Cars & Nomads with Vic Rego Plates..
Turns out Qldurr Nomads & Rent'a'Cars register vehicles in Vic as it's cheaper!
That's bullshit hey! Just when Qldurrz thought we could outsmart our cousins!
"Bring Snacks" The Border Run.
tbb request: Bikies say they exploited an interstate loophole to re enter Qld.
It is true, now largest gangs in over a decade & Bully are Showcasing their Stars.
Possible they must exempt interstate Funeral Motorcades or Corpse transfer.
Typical of Bikies to suss that out...whatever the loophole is, it's working big time!
More than that...Bikers claim interstate Chix rivalry weakens interstate united front.
In their words - "Oz #1 Bitch fight " is refuelling Bikers to spice up Xmas Toy run.
Vic minivanclan (Deadset Oz Jobseeker Classic)
https://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbourne/videos/victorians-in-minibus-fin...
https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSMelbourne/videos/2628451810739577/
3rd Time Unlucky?
https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSGoldCoast/videos/293721155014968/
Tyresome Exemption immortalized by Tatt.
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-melbourne-real-est...
Mandatory Melbourne Magnates Muscle their way in.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/closures/magnate-flees-victori...
https://www.smh.com.au/national/truckie-escape-linfox-heir-exempt-from-q...
Pentecostal party pros steal handbags of Melb' coronavirus to share it with Qld
https://www.facebook.com/9NewsMelbourne/videos/queensland-covid-fears/11...
Vic Showies (vs) Qld Towies
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-08/show-workers-booted-from-mackay-a...
"Floodgates will be open soon, enjoy the last few weeks of relatively uncrowded surf!"
Thanks! My uncrowded surf is St Kilda Pier! So apologies for when I drop in on you - accidentally! - in a few weeks, I'm just out of touch, nothing personal!
Don't blow up the spot Patrick0710!
There's no surf in St Kilda don't bother looking.....
Ha ha! Shit, you're right! I meant Elwood, great spot there!
Can get some pretty epic little grinders at Elwood when the conditions line up perfectly.... shit I've said too much
"I know for all those living out of Melbourne and Victoria, keeping the borders closed almost indefinitely seems great. This also applies to international borders too. But it aint - we need to be able to learn to move freely again and manage this"
Yep. I reckon the state-by-state approach was the right approach initially and achieved a lot, but it's now time to change that. We need to switch to thinking of it as a national problem - wherever an outbreak occurs we combine to throw national resources at keeping it under control as much as possible. In other words, not just talking about opening, but how we are going to open, that's what we need to talk about.
Easier said than done, I know, but we have to try.
Note to the Coalition: Yelling at Labor governments in public is not the best way of getting this done. Last time I checked, Queenslanders really don't like people from Sydney telling them what to do.
I completely get what you're saying Patrick, and it does make sense to at least try take a national approach. Long term state border closures won't help anyone. I guess that ingrained state mindset is a tough one to crack though, not to mention the state paid for resources or state tax payer resources that will be required if the virus kicks up a notch again.
If there's one thing I've really hated that this pandemic has done is turned the country on itself, and created a divide & fear of different states. That's a political aspect of the pandemic that has been shocking to see and will linger for quite some time. For Victorians in particular, we'll continue to cop it the longest.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/three-new-covid-19-cases-eme...
Outbreak in Shepparton. Mass testing in town.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/anger-in-shepparton-after-on...
Locals not happy. For regional Vic with no infections, even if you are doing everything right, this is the situation to watch out for.
Has anyone else noticed mask wearing is quickly going out of fashion where they are?
Not in supermarkets, shops etc but just people walking the dog, down the beach, on the job site...
I'm all for it to be honest, this has got to end.
The days of obeying this fuckwit premier that has no concept of what constitutes day to day life for the average Victorian has got to come to a close.
The damage to society through self harm, domestic violence, mental health issues is going to far outweigh the damage to our economy. Andrews has to go.
Let me tell you a story goofyfoot.
Last night I went up to Geelong Hospital and I can tell you, mask wearing wasn't "quickly going out of fashion".
Not allowed in without a mask, hand wash, temp check, and then I was handed a hospital grade mask. Not one person in the hospital didn't have a mask on. Have you worked out why yet?
So while you may think it's cool people aren't wearing masks, maybe consider the example of the medical professionals. They will have to deal with a third wave if fuckwits like you get their way and pretend ignoring medical advice doesn't have consequences.
Cool story Vic
You really are a brainwashed fella aren’t you? Andrews can do no wrong in your eyes. Wake up Vic
Goofyfoot, not sure if you’ve read this story linked below. I’m sure you doing it tough but consider those on the front line too. Nobody wants to be wearing PPE unnecessarily let alone be dealing with this pandemic on a daily basis....
Bit different at a hospital compared to walking the dog.
Regardless, I can't fathom how much disposal PPE is being churned out and dumped these days.
Rabbit like I mentioned it’s same old story at supermarket, bank, petrol station etc, I haven’t been to a hospital for a while but I’m sure it’s full PPE there as well.
I’ve noticed less mask wearing in areas that are more open, in fresh air, generally when you’re not shoulder to shoulder with people or touching handles or doors or whatever straight after someone else.
Of course VL the muppet had to go to the absolute extreme example about a hospital, fucks sake seriously VL get a grip. You’re an embarrassment. You think you’re an authority on EVERY SINGLE topic that is mentioned in these forums. The ego is out of control with you mate
"You think you’re an authority on EVERY SINGLE topic that is mentioned in these forums."
My opinions on lockdowns are absolutely consistent with the expert's advice. I'm just over fucking idiots putting other people's lives, and economic recovery, at risk. Wear a fucking mask until Prof Sutton says it isn't required anymore.
How stupid are people?
I mean I see them wearing masks riding a bike, jogging and even driving a car!
But its ok for kids not to wear them-mmm aren't kids renowned for bringing home bugs from kinder, school, etc and infecting the family?
Hysterical if it wasn't so obvious so many are brainwashed and scared. These pathetic humans should take themselves out and save Covid doing the job.
P.S anyone with Covid should self immolate so that we can get outta lockdowns!!!
That comment is about as fair a call as what our Governments and their idiots advise.
Maybe.
I was down in Sydney recently and saw people sitting in their cars alone with the windows rolled up and still wearing a mask.
Sad.
But strangely enough I still couldn’t help laughing.
It is obvious, is it not, that restrictions limit virus numbers and obvious too that educated health experts in positions of responsibility should be supported, not undermined. These restrictions also show how our planet can begin to weather bigger issues than the virus. We are all in this together earthlings ...
"I was down in Sydney recently and saw people sitting in their cars alone with the windows rolled up and still wearing a mask.
Sad.
But strangely enough I still couldn’t help laughing."
You are such an idiot blowin. Firstly, How the hell does this effect you mate?
Secondly, correct mask wearing involves not touching it unnecessarily. You're actually laughing at people doing the right thing. The person you're laughing at might be a medical professional trying to preserve their supply of quality masks in between home visits, but all you see is an "stupid person".
Just between you and me, people wearing a mask in their own car is the least of your problems.
Heart disease kills on average 48 people per day in Australia . In 2018 heart attacks killed 17500 people.
Do you stand at the Maccas drive through yelling at people that they are recklessly killing their families by serving up junk food , Vic Local ?
If not , why are you such a sanctimonious twat about this cause of death and not the others ? I’ll tell you why - cause you’re a sanctimonious twat regardless and this media hyped virus has given you the belief that you can carry on acting like a sanctimonious twat only now you think you’ve got a social license to do so.
You smell of fear bloke. Have a shower !
VicLocal I can't help but think your extreme example comparing a hospital visit to goofyfoot's story of people not wearing masks at the beach or out walking their dogs, not to mention neglecting to acknowledge the bit he said about people still wearing it in supermarkets etc, your views will play a big part in the continued broken society we're going to be dealing with post-covid, a society where anyone that dares to breathe a bit of fresh air when there is nobody around is looked at by some as an individual that wants everybody to die of this virus.
You'd have to be fucking brain dead or on the Labor payroll, maybe both, to think that comparing the requirement to wear a mask on a hospital visit is the same as someone not wearing it whilst they are out going for a walk and they are able to keep their distance from others. But that's what you did with your little story. Well done, shit story.
Thanks dx3, I was going to reply to him that I’ve never advocated for stopping all mask use. But really what’s the point, the blokes a clown. I’ve got the fucken thing wrapped around my neck constantly, ready to put it on whenever I leave my car basically. I’m no where near one of those people who refuse to wear masks. But, when I walk my dog before work at 6:00am, or check the surf and there’s no one around I’m not putting my mask on.
Of course VL will be around soon to spin his usual diatribe. I’m seriously starting to think he’s related to Andrews
Just watched the press release from Dan Andrews and I really feel for how victorians are going to once again pay for others stupidity. Not sure how they are going to police the 1 hour exercise policy but a trip down the coast for a surf could be costly. I understand these new restrictions are mainly Melbourne suburbs and I’m very grateful for where I live NSW Qld border. When we were in shutdown there was no time limit for our exercise thank god as a 3 hour surf kept me sane after losing my job.