COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster

Neil Mitchell, bloated windbag and shock jock groupie for the perennially angry.

Listening to Neil Mitchell or start quoting him is one of those thresholds some people go through between a once carefree life and one where you get wound up about your neighbour’s dog barking or leaves on your path. Before you know it you’re the grumpy old man people avoid at family gatherings.

..... mmmm, I’ve hoaxed called him many times over years, got on air and all ... strictly for piss take therapy purposes of course.

It’s threads like this where I get my political fill up of news. Find Swellnet one of the better sites to be able to get a balanced grasp on most issues! Great insights!

"balanced grasp on most issues!"

Oh please lets be honest and real here, Swellnet forums are in no way balanced 90% of posters here are left wing labor & greens voters that just parrot what was printed in yesterdays Guardian or in Facto's case the most obscure far left online source he can find.

Blowin and Sypkan normally provide some aspect of alternate views even though they identify as moderate left wing or centralist and still hate on LNP and Scomo etc, but they seem to have gone missing of late?.

Currently its a complete echo chamber other than odd post from myself and T-Rex.

Edit: okay thank god some balance has been restored in the other thread again.

Was thinking the same thing Indo without naming names.

Politically, these forums are about as balanced as my diet.

You gotta admit, it sets the place up for when 'shock' election results come in and the people don't vote far-left...

Lots of egg on faces this morning. What has Morrison and his Murdoch attack dogs got to say for themselves now apart from apologising to Dan Andrews. You too Jonquil, what do have to say for yourself?

IT wasn’t a security guard that caused the 2nd wave .....

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/patient-zero-for-victoria-s-...

@ Indo " but they seem to have gone missing of late?."

I think it is a case of, like many of us, that over the years you get to a point where you just don't log in here for a while and give it a break or all the BS will do your head in. The amount of times I have started to comment and just deleted it and walked away.

"Currently its a complete echo chamber other than odd post from myself and T-Rex."

Presumably if you had an argument you would use it. The concept of balance, as used here, seems to have degenerated to the point that every truth somehow demands a lie to "balance" it.

Top Gun right wingers, Indo and D-Rex. Who is Maverick and who is Goose?

Indo, everyone gets their say here yeah?? How is that not fair and equitable?? No censorship here.

Does an opinion balance out a fact? No grasshopper.

"You gotta admit, it sets the place up for when 'shock' election results come in and the people don't vote far-left...

Has there ever been an election where people have expected a far left result?

Definitely not in my lifetime.

Depends upon the 'source' of your facts.

Agreed Zen especially when most “news” these days is opinion.

Far left? Do we have a far left party in Australia?

Good question, Guy. It'll be interesting to see the answers here.

Earth to Jonquil
Earth to Jonquil

Caspar has gone MIA. So too Sypkan, billy the kid, and blowin.
I reckon Caspar has a few more "BLM caused the second wave" posts in him, before he realises he's just embarrassing himself and slinks off and joins the other ex- hard right swelltonians.

Jonquil the old bean will be back soon enough, just waiting for his apology to Dan Andrews and damnation of Slow-mo for fucking up the Ruby Princess and Aged Care. Come-on Jonquil man up.

Not sure our old mate from a Scandinavian background is man enough to put up his hand and issue an apology or criticise his beloved PM. Don't go holding your breath GS, or you're a dead man.

Nah, not going to do that but you reminded me of Deadman, a great movie & sound track ..... https://m.

"Indo, everyone gets their say here yeah?? How is that not fair and equitable?? No censorship here."

Stunet & co do a pretty good job on moderating etc, I never suggested it was unfair, just that there is little balance here.

Or neither is the views a true representation of either the general Australian community or even the surfing community, you can even see this with the FB comments under Swellnet articles or even under the main articles which are more diverse in view points.

Its just what it is though, it is kind of surprising though seeing most regular posters here are 40+ but still very woke...weird mix.

@fitzroy-21 yeah im hearing you, i normally get a good break when i take an Indo trip, but not this year, i could do with a good break from it all.

@ Guy Doesn't sound very convincing "leaked emails" not that it matters much still wasn't run very well and still resulted in a second wave, i dont see much difference, im not calling for Dan to be sacked like some though, it's his mess to sort out.

So some night manager at a quarantine hotel got covid 19 because he obviously wasn't following distancing protocols and it's Dan's fault. Geez Caspar, give it a rest mate, You're just embarrassing yourself now.

Is that what you believe now Vic?

I thought you weren't that gullible.

Night manager 'eh? Of course, how did anyone not see that?

Let’s wait for the independent review on hotel quarantine shall we but meanwhile Scotty apologised for his aged care fuck up today, 200 dead another 1200 with the virus and Scotty says sorry. WTF. Meanwhile the RC into Aged Care again hears today there is still no plan, but it’s alright, Scotty says sorry from his pulpit ..... you know I heard from a nurse that went into one of I’m sorry Scotty’s nursing homes to rescue the residents most of whom were covered in shit, dehydrated and seriously malnourished. One poor soul had ants crawling around a large puss filled open wound but Scotty’s sorry.

That would be lovely, thankyou Guy.

Zen, virtually every media outlet in the country is reporting case zero was the night manager, and there's an email trail showing this is the case.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-melbourne-patient-zero-not...
Might need to put up your hand and accept some reality Zen, or do you have some alternative facts for us?

Hey GS, notice how the only times the LNP takes action (distanced themselves from Clive Palmer's HV challenge) and issues apologies (aged care disgrace) is when issues start causing them significant political damage? These fuckers are only sorry when it starts costing them votes.

how the fuck does patient zero being a night manager excuse dan andrews government for their botched quarrentine?

Its still a botched hotel quarrentine model

most interesting folks that pleaded to stop the blame game, are so vehemently involved in the blame game

its astounding the aged care system weren't ready for coming disaster, but its also astounding dan andrews was desperately ordering a special order of face masks at the beginning of looming lockdown (already loomed actually...) just weeks ago

both forms of government had 6 months to prepare for coming vitus wave, but, it seems, well, ...they didn't...

'the lucky country'

how the fuck does patient zero being a night manager excuse dan andrews government for their botched quarrentine?
He's an employee in a private company that was selling hotel rooms to the government. He's accountable to the hotel management company and there's no chain of command even remotely linking Andrews to this guy. It's the longest bow ever.
"Its (sic) still a botched hotel quarrentine (sic) model". Established by the Federal Government and forced on the states.

...speaking of blame game and lucky country...

maybe oz should be looking at its whole aged care system, and the fact we have the highest number of oldies in aged care in the world, and that maybe we should all be thinking of taking more responsibility. instead of blaming governnents, arrangements, and systems we all well know are lacking in so many ways

and maybe we should have a real big boy pants conversation about the wider implications of the above, realistic expectations in aged care, and quality of life and outcomes in general...

we could also look at alternatives that dont lock crew away for convenience. locked away, isolated and compartmentalised

something like a dutch model of child care side by side with aged care, creating actual 'communities', could be a viable option, ...if we're all 'too busy' to take on such responsibilities that is...

locked away from gaze (and responsibility), tended to by a transient, largely new migrant workforce (invaluable, but terribly exploitable) just dont seem to be a great option atm

" but its also astounding dan andrews was desperately ordering a special order of face masks at the beginning of lockdown just weeks ago"
Oh FFS Sypkan, you're getting absolutely desperate. The only place with a shortage of PPE in Victoria has been aged care homes. (A federal responsibility)
Andrews didn't drop the ball on PPE, the aged care sector did.

whether patient zero was a night manager, a security guard, or a bloody bus boy, if they had cops or adf it probably wouldn't have happened

quarrentine procedure is the problem, not patient fucking zero

are you really as dumb as you appear?

or just constantly campaigning?

dan andrews special order of 2 million masks as he announced lockdown

...lets not conflate issues and continue the 'blame game'

see questions above, do you really think your one eyedness wins anything? anyone?

Not dumb Syp, myopic imo.

Ha ha! The eyes have it!

"if they had cops or adf it probably wouldn't have happened"
That quite possibly is the dumbest comment ever. Tell me again how cops and the military would actually run a large private hotel? I think you'll find coppers and the military don't actually have that skill set. You really haven't thought this one through have you sypkan.
Hey, maybe if we put the military into meat works, that would stop the outbreaks in those workplaces too!!!

...ummmm, ...maybe just like sydney and other places had cops and adf overseeing things in hotel quarrentine...

you know, the other places, that didn't have massive quarrentine failures

yeh, its me thats dumb, not thinking things through...

you really intrigue me, if ya gonna be a condescending cunt, at least do it well, like the others...

you're one odd fish viclocal, real odd, something missing, sparking out somewhere? something's not right...

Hands up who’s had enough of the Dan Andrews bashing ?
Goes to show just how much power Murdoch has that people would even think to blame an ALP Premier for this crippling viral outbreak just because he made a couple of understandable decisions.

First of all , let’s realise that Dan was taking care of a situation that most moronic conservatives aren’t even aware of and it’s a situation that’s bigger than the virus which is killing people before their due and destroying our economy and way of life ! When Dan prioritised social inclusion over the trained professionals who probably would have prevented the needless deaths of Australians it was a brave move . Let’s not forget the destruction wrought if social inclusion of minorities hadn’t been considered when creating a front line of defence for those who may succumb to the virus . https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/world-grips-epidemic-dangerous...

Dan always has his eye on the big picture ! So what if he engaged in a bit of politicking when awarding the contract ? How else is he supposed to keep power out of the hands of the stupid conservatives who will stoop to any level to get their hands on the leadership ?

Let’s be honest here. How can Dan really be held responsible for something a sub contractor did ? You really think the ALP somehow knew that one day , somewhere in the future , something might go wrong and the only way they could claim plausible deniability was by contracting out all their work ? Sounds like more conservative conspiracy theories to me ! You want me to believe the whole party is in on this big secret just to avoid accountability ? Dan and the Victorian ALP are just doing what they were elected to do and that is to subcontract government work exactly like every other neoliberal government around the world. If the people of Victoria didn’t want Dan subcontracting work they would have voted in a party that wasn’t going to privatise every governmental responsibility. The fact that they did means Andrews has a mandate to subcontract the trivial stuff like quarantine so that he can stick to the important job of governance.

Imagine if conservatives had been running Victoria ! Bloody Scott Morrison ! The state would be in the doghouse !

The only reason that the ADF and police ran efficient and effective quarantines at hotels in all the other states is because Murdoch wasn’t dedicating every front page to bring them down.

Sypkan, It's "quarantine" not "quarrentine".
And when you write "yeh, its (sic) me thats (sic) dumb," it's really hard to disagree with you.

who's desperate now?

wanker

grammar nazi, (sic) writing, wanker

Night night sypkan. By the way, you should start your rants with a capital.

...very faux academic guardianista...

We can work on apostrophes later.

Yeah!

Vic is oarsome at spelling and grammar.

You've been skooled Syp.

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Vic Quarantine Inquiry Pivotal Omissions...that will never see the light of day...

18 March -Hillsong Princess 2,700 Quarantine breach by ABF /NSW Health

27th March ...PM hatches plot to spread Covid from Airports to City centres.
PM / States split the Quarantine but Scomo has first & last say (Do as I say... Ok!)
This is why Vic can't recall any plan..because it was Scomo's Plan.

Did Federal Govt hot wire Event/Rydges hotel chain & direct States to use them.
Were these Hotels fit for Quarantine or was it a Federal Govt Package Rort?

Why did Feds re-direct o/s (known highest risk) covid spreaders into Capital Cities?
Why are Scomo's Quarantine [+] cases free to spread thru-out our city's transit ?

Is it safe for Rydges to outsource 3 meals a day via Who Knows catering firms.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/forced-coronavirus-quarantine-for...

Day 1 > Scomo's Federal Police / ABF were heading up Syd' Rydges Quarantine
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/hotel-quarantine-rydges-syd...

1st of many AFP / ABF / ADF Quarantine fails

Day 1 > NSW AFP / Rydges lose 33 Cruise Doctors (Find 6) > (27 slip interstate).
Fed Police Fail comes one week after Hillsong Princess Fail in same city.
Oz #1 Security fail by > Rydges+ Fed+State Police +ABF+NSW Health > ADF

Day 1 > PM's Address - (ADF will be billed to each state)...not a disaster relief!
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/update-coronavirus-measures-270320

Scomo :(ADF / ABF / Red Cross) NSW costs are picked up by other states! Ok!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-18/millions-spent-on-sydney-quaranti...

Oz Quarantine bills from highest to lowest > Vic > Qld > WA > SA > NSW....
Scomo : "2nd biggest Airport (Victoria) gets no extra relief...go hire some [visas]"

Media broadcast Syd' Rydges breach failure...Vic say keep yer #1 Fed Team fail.
Media would crucify Premiers recruiting failed Fed Police + ABF after 2x mega fails.

Why would Media insist Vic to go backwards with expensive failed Quarantine?

Scomo's Rydge's Manager smooched a Covid Guest to wipe out Labor & Victoria.

Victoria never Charged anyone for Care or Quarantine under WHO protocol.
Scomo & other States cashed in on the Pandemic.
So why are Victoria seated before the inquiry & not the other corrupt Govts?
Dan is on Post Office Walls & Oz Post crown Scomo for Oz Skyrocket Stamp Set.

If anyone cares to review Hotel Quarantine Breaches.
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/489404?page=23#comment-679810

Rundown...
WA- (Med Staff- Well over 30 escape breaches in 2 cbd Hotels) Private Security.

NSW-(36 / 4 Escapes > 9 recaptures) AFP+ NSWP + ADF + ABF + nsw Health
Lib Govt/NSW Police claim zero? (That is blatant lie & Media lap this Lib' vomit up)
Media herald NSW Team Hero as the Gold Standard...(Wake up Oz!)

Media quote Libs own Defence timeline as a definitive article ...omitting the PM.'
Yes, Defence offered Premium pricing! But never once offered up an act of charity.

Qld -(3 / 5 Escapes > 4 recaptures) Qld Police + ADF
PM's Rydges ( No Air/Light cells) Led to Raids/Escapes & Human Rights rulings.
Scomo's Bne Rydges binned the swabs in June & opened up Swinger Parties!
Quarantine folk were / are outraged at Scomo's Haunted House.
Scomo set up the deal, only he can sabotage Quarantine...Qld Election > Cases Up!

Following Nations /States had ...1-2 Escapes NZ / NT / Tas / SA / ACT
Victoria had just one failed escape.
Crowne Plaza Quarantine breach as man climbs down into Vic Police Quarters.
Sorry if that mucks up yer Victorian Hotel Quarantine Crisis.

tbb is not being smart & equally fears the Victorian Rydges Crazy Floor Show!"
Scomo's Rydges Hot Hotel Chain are running a Quarantine Crisis package tour!
Don't let the truth about Oz quarantine interrupt yer make believe inquiry.

Why can't the Hot Hotel Crisis be a Hot Hotel Chain of EVENT/s...it makes sense?
Why are they grilling Dan...we all know who cooked up the Hot Hotel batches.
Only a freak gathers all the world's virus & then releases it upon our City Centres!