COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
"What we see in Canberra isn't the problem it's a symptom of a deeper more cynical divide or decline in our once civil society."
Absolutely, just the same as Trump was an inevitable outcome as opposed to an aberration.
There's a multitude of factors driving this, very few of which can be dealt with or reversed.
to begin with they can deal with it by ending the mandates and the restrictions for all except for the vulnerable. that what the evidence says. they are drunk on an abuse of executive power. of course people are angry. unless of course you were one of the lucky ones who benefited as so many have.
Trudeau has enacted emergency powers to dismantle peaceful democratic process. Canadian civil liberties council says the powers were enacted unlawfully.
Trudeau freezing bank accounts of those suspected of donating to peaceful protest.
The federal government has not met the threshold necessary to invoke the Emergencies Act. This law creates a high and clear standard for good reason: the Act allows government to bypass ordinary democratic processes. This standard has not been met. 1/3
— Canadian Civil Liberties Association (@cancivlib) February 15, 2022
The Emergencies Act can only be invoked when a situation "seriously threatens the ability of the Government of Canada to preserve the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Canada" & when the situation "cannot be effectively dealt with under any other law of Canada."
— Canadian Civil Liberties Association (@cancivlib) February 15, 2022
The Emergencies Act can only be invoked when a situation "seriously threatens the ability of the Government of Canada to preserve the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Canada" & when the situation "cannot be effectively dealt with under any other law of Canada."
— Canadian Civil Liberties Association (@cancivlib) February 15, 2022
Trudeau created a political emergency out of nothing. He needs to be put up against the wall. Dictators are not welcome in democratic societies. If you think that Trudeau et al don’t want a social credit system to make dealing with any political dissent much more convenient then you’ve got your head in your arse.
Don’t worry, @JustinTrudeau isn’t “calling in the military”. He is just authorizing banks to unilaterally freeze your accounts on the basis of suspicion alone, no court order required, with legal immunity. I hope everyone realizes how much more dangerous this is than the military
— Viva Frei (@thevivafrei) February 14, 2022
BREAKING: Premiers of Alberta, Manitoba, Quebec, and Saskatchewan oppose Trudeau decision to invoke the Emergencies Act on the truckers
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 14, 2022
BREAKING: Trudeau regime now using terrorism laws to go after crypto and crowdfunding pic.twitter.com/Fj8ge0Pyzy
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 14, 2022
Blowin wrote:Trudeau created a political emergency out of nothing. He needs to be put up against the wall. Dictators are not welcome in democratic societies.
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1493348317895528458?ref_src=twsrc...
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1493310278615904269?ref_src=twsr...
strange...an elected dictator. Wonder how that works?
bonza wrote:to begin with they can deal with it by ending the mandates and the restrictions for all except for the vulnerable. that what the evidence says. they are drunk on an abuse of executive power. of course people are angry. unless of course you were one of the lucky ones who benefited as so many have.
I'm talking about much bigger, broader social change.
Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Trudeau created a political emergency out of nothing. He needs to be put up against the wall. Dictators are not welcome in democratic societies.
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1493348317895528458?ref_src=twsrc...
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1493310278615904269?ref_src=twsr...
strange...an elected dictator. Wonder how that works?
You think no dictator was ever elected?
Seriously bloke …why not just stick to being a small hearted right wing little business bloke? It’s pretty much the top of your range. Tread on the tops of people’s heads as you chase those shiny coins around bloke. Real asset to the community you are bloke. How many times did you vote for Tony Abbott ? Every opportunity you got hey bloke. You cried tears of pain after Howard left office hey ya fucken anti social shit bag.
Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Trudeau created a political emergency out of nothing. He needs to be put up against the wall. Dictators are not welcome in democratic societies.
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1493348317895528458?ref_src=twsrc...
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1493310278615904269?ref_src=twsr...
strange...an elected dictator. Wonder how that works?
You think no dictator was ever elected?
Seriously bloke …why not just stick to being a small hearted right wing little business bloke? It’s pretty much the top of your range.
None are voted out..and Trudeau the woke clown should be gone next election.
Blowin wrote:Roadkill wrote:Blowin wrote:Trudeau created a political emergency out of nothing. He needs to be put up against the wall. Dictators are not welcome in democratic societies.
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1493348317895528458?ref_src=twsrc...
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1493310278615904269?ref_src=twsr...
strange...an elected dictator. Wonder how that works?
You think no dictator was ever elected?
Seriously bloke …why not just stick to being a small hearted right wing little business bloke? It’s pretty much the top of your range. Tread on the tops of people’s heads as you chase those shiny coins around bloke. Real asset to the community you are bloke. How many times did you vote for Tony Abbott ? Every opportunity you got hey bloke. You cried tears of pain after Howard left office hey ya fucken anti social shit bag.
If you knew how much money I got from the GOVT when covid hit...you would be apoplectic.
PS, I bought a new seafox commander.
Thx for your taxes, snowflake. :)
yep AndyM no argument there. I guess I see how the 2 are intertwined. I think about the inequality issue and how much and already huge gap has widened during the pandemic. extreme, prolonged and unscientific restrictions have been imposed on the population often with no transparency and genuine discussion with the public regarding the link between the need for imposing such harsh measures and the evidence. meanwhile the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten shat on. furthermore the sheer arrogance in allowing the wealthy, sporting groups (money) and powerful routinely receive exemptions on the restrictions the rest of us have to put up with has been a huge slap in the face.
I'm hopeful the mandates and restrictions are about to end but surprise surprise it seems our political masters are finding it hard to relinquish their new found powers.
Well we aren't exactly spoilt for choice. By design our 'democracies' are dominated by limited parties. Right wing, left wing, same body. If it wasn't Trudeau in Canada it would have been some other eager puppet. Just like Oz. Scomo on 60mins last week, Albo next week.. Where's the rest of them.
AndyM wrote:bonza wrote:to begin with they can deal with it by ending the mandates and the restrictions for all except for the vulnerable. that what the evidence says. they are drunk on an abuse of executive power. of course people are angry. unless of course you were one of the lucky ones who benefited as so many have.
I'm talking about much bigger, broader social change.
x2
can anyone foresee a time if all covid restrictions were lifted the perennially angry among us would all of a sudden go home to tip prune the roses? Not going to happen, a new issue will emerge stoked on or most likely engineered by the usual suspects with something to gain.
QLD cho said today they will look at ending mandates in March.
They should be ended right now. This is only to please the bed wetters like roadkill and Co.
Businesses are suffering due to the huge FeAR campaigns for 2 years. Now as it turns out you just need a fucking Panadol and a lay down unless your a fat fuck full of diabetes & over 60 years old.
Businesses and healthy people are still being punished. Enough is enough.
Stick your mandates up your man date
GuySmiley wrote:AndyM wrote:bonza wrote:to begin with they can deal with it by ending the mandates and the restrictions for all except for the vulnerable. that what the evidence says. they are drunk on an abuse of executive power. of course people are angry. unless of course you were one of the lucky ones who benefited as so many have.
I'm talking about much bigger, broader social change.
x2
can anyone foresee a time if all covid restrictions were lifted the perennially angry among us would all of a sudden go home to tip prune the roses? Not going to happen, a new issue will emerge stoked on or most likely engineered by the usual suspects with something to gain.
doesn't mean we shoudlnt do what is the right thing to do
GuySmiley wrote:AndyM wrote:bonza wrote:to begin with they can deal with it by ending the mandates and the restrictions for all except for the vulnerable. that what the evidence says. they are drunk on an abuse of executive power. of course people are angry. unless of course you were one of the lucky ones who benefited as so many have.
I'm talking about much bigger, broader social change.
x2
can anyone foresee a time if all covid restrictions were lifted the perennially angry among us would all of a sudden go home to tip prune the roses? Not going to happen, a new issue will emerge stoked on or most likely engineered by the usual suspects with something to gain.
People have much less trust in the government after this enormous fuck up of human rights.
They will be under huge scrutiny and so they should be. Wolves in sheeps clothing. All of em. Doesn't matter it its Clot Morrison or Clive Palmer.
However Clive seems the better option right now (this one is for DickVocal)
I had family members who voted him in last time.
Don't think they will go there again.
There’s crew on here who will jump at the chance to elect a petty tyrant whom they assume will always be on the same side of political issues as themselves. Guaranteed there’s a few more of them out there.
Thank Christ most of them will be extinct in a couple of decades tops.
“ People have much less trust in the government after this enormous fuck up of human rights.”
Again it pre-dates this and has been building maybe for decades.
For reasons that we’ve discussed before we’ve reached a tipping or turning point in society.
No rose pruning ahead.
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freeride76 wrote:I had family members who voted him in last time.
Don't think they will go there again.
Im voting for United Australia Party as long as their preferences go to Campbell Newman as announced.
Labor & Liberal will be dead last.
Bring it on VicLocal. I'm ready
burleigh wrote:freeride76 wrote:I had family members who voted him in last time.
Don't think they will go there again.
Im voting for United Australia Party as long as their preferences go to Campbell Newman as announced.
Labor & Liberal will be dead last.Bring it on VicLocal. I'm ready
Haha, brilliant satire!
AndyM wrote:burleigh wrote:freeride76 wrote:I had family members who voted him in last time.
Don't think they will go there again.
Im voting for United Australia Party as long as their preferences go to Campbell Newman as announced.
Labor & Liberal will be dead last.Bring it on VicLocal. I'm ready
Haha, brilliant satire!
We have nothing to loose with the absolute peanuts in government now.
I couldn't care less if Clive gets a few more billions from it.
I have been pushed too far personally and financially from the last two years from this bullshit and i know i'm not alone.
Labour or Liberal will NEVER get my vote again.
Tik... tok...
An explosive new legal filing alleges the 2016 presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton paid an internet company to “infiltrate” servers at the White House and Trump Tower to frame former President Donald Trump.
Fox News reported Special Counsel John Durham says the purpose was to “establish an ‘inference’ and ‘narrative’ to bring to government agencies linking Donald Trump to Russia.”
“This is a whole new level of corruption and is of grave concern,” U.S. Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio – the House Intelligence Committee ranking member – told Maria Bartiromo of Fox News on “Sunday Morning Futures.”
shortenism wrote:Well we aren't exactly spoilt for choice. By design our 'democracies' are dominated by limited parties. Right wing, left wing, same body. If it wasn't Trudeau in Canada it would have been some other eager puppet. Just like Oz. Scomo on 60mins last week, Albo next week.. Where's the rest of them.
Democracy... What's it good for, eh?
Goofy4 wrote:"I genuinely feel sorry for them......."
I'm still sorting through the myriad of issues that this pandemic has visited upon myself, my loved ones, my community, my state, my nation and my species. It's still relatively early days in what looks like being a protracted experience. There's some aspects of the situation that seem fairly conclusive i.e. the virus being predominately airborne, quite contagious and of higher risk to those with pre-existing medical conditions and those who are elders. There are other aspects which seem to be open for debate due to the need for more evidence over longer periods of time. It seems logical that there will be a variety of perspectives in these circumstances and I'd be looking to engage in respectful and constructive discourse so as to both learn and assist others......feeling "sorry" for others based upon differing views seems pretty condescending to me - coming from a presumed superior position in circumstances where a lot of solid fact is yet to be determined doesn't work for mine.
Good post. What's happening is the earth's protective magnetic field is declining rapidly and they've all gone mad as incoming cosmic rays increase.
burleigh wrote:Labour or Liberal will NEVER get my vote again.
They will, if Clive preferences them.
velocityjohnno wrote:burleigh wrote:Labour or Liberal will NEVER get my vote again.
They will, if Clive preferences them.
Read above. They have announced their preference is going to Campbell Newman Liberal democrats (not liberal) . If they stick to the deal they have my vote
Never underestimate the ability of ordinary working folk to vote against their own personal and community interest.
COVID Vaccines cause AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Don't shoot the messenger.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/13/the-covid-19-vaccines-cause-aids/?fbcl...
shortenism wrote:COVID Vaccines cause AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Don't shoot the messenger.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/13/the-covid-19-vaccines-cause-aids/?fbcl...
And herein lies the problem.
It takes a very short amount of time to fabricate and publish any kind of wild theory, which is then in turn easily promoted by those people with an agenda.
It takes an expotentially larger amount of time to disprove this theory.
All the while, it's spreading virally by those who use get-out-of-jail-free cards like "don't shoot the messenger".
shortenism wrote:COVID Vaccines cause AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Don't shoot the messenger.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/13/the-covid-19-vaccines-cause-aids/?fbcl...
Only a fucking idiot, like you, would believe this and spread this.
Seriously, it is a 1 min google search to find out this is complete BS.
what a fucking moron you are, Shorty
thermalben wrote:shortenism wrote:COVID Vaccines cause AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Don't shoot the messenger.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/13/the-covid-19-vaccines-cause-aids/?fbcl...
And herein lies the problem.
It takes a very short amount of time to fabricate and publish any kind of wild theory, which is then in turn easily promoted by those people with an agenda.
It takes an expotentially larger amount of time to disprove this theory.
All the while, it's spreading virally by those who use get-out-of-jail-free cards like "don't shoot the messenger".
I think shortenism is just taking the piss with this post , extreme conspiracy and low credibility on the media bias fact check rating . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-expose/ 
thermalben wrote:shortenism wrote:COVID Vaccines cause AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Don't shoot the messenger.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/13/the-covid-19-vaccines-cause-aids/?fbcl...
And herein lies the problem.
It takes a very short amount of time to fabricate and publish any kind of wild theory, which is then in turn easily promoted by those people with an agenda.
It takes an expotentially larger amount of time to disprove this theory.
All the while, it's spreading virally by those who use get-out-of-jail-free cards like "don't shoot the messenger".
You mean fabricated rubbish like “ get vaccinated and you’re a dead end for the virus- you can’t spread it”
And
“Let me just tell you one thing. Take these vaccines and you will not get covid.”
Second one was the President of the USA. First was the Head of USA’s covid response.
shortenism wrote:COVID Vaccines cause AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Don't shoot the messenger.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/13/the-covid-19-vaccines-cause-aids/?fbcl...
No probs Shorty - just make sure that needle is clean before you get your jab.
Supafreak wrote:thermalben wrote:shortenism wrote:COVID Vaccines cause AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Don't shoot the messenger.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/13/the-covid-19-vaccines-cause-aids/?fbcl...
And herein lies the problem.
It takes a very short amount of time to fabricate and publish any kind of wild theory, which is then in turn easily promoted by those people with an agenda.
It takes an expotentially larger amount of time to disprove this theory.
All the while, it's spreading virally by those who use get-out-of-jail-free cards like "don't shoot the messenger".
I think shortenism is just taking the piss with this post , extreme conspiracy and low credibility on the media bias fact check rating . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-expose/
nice try...I'm guessing he will try and run with the out you used. The village idiots looking out for each other.
Supafreak wrote:I think shortenism is just taking the piss with this post , extreme conspiracy and low credibility on the media bias fact check rating . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-expose
OK, so if Shortenism's post was for the lols, then how are we to determine what posts are genuine, and which are just having a larf?
bonza wrote:I guess the counter argument to that is if one chooses to engage.. but then simply dismisses the poster / protester as a nutter without addressing the argument when a solid one is put forth (e.g. mandates) then one risks alienating the sympathisers and ultimately perversely undermining ones argument "to trust the science" far better then any 5G chemtrail (insert conspiracy of choice here) nutter could.
Bonza, should I address the argument Shortenism has provided, and 'do my own research' as to whether Covid vaccines cause AIDS? I've got a busy arvo, and would prefer not to waste time on frivolous claims.
gsco wrote:I no longer see the funny side of ridiculing those poor people who have gone so far down the far right conspiracy theory rabbit hole (or whatever you want to label it as) that they are now well beyond saving.
This seems to be a reflection of the US neoliberal capitalist attitude of thinking something along the lines of "as long as I'm in a well off and privileged position in life, not only do I not give a flying fuck about disadvantaged and marginalised people but I'm also going to ridicule and hammer them into the ground even further..."
I genuinely feel sorry for them.
Curious on how gsco's theory applies in this case.
Goofy4 wrote:"I genuinely feel sorry for them......."
I'm still sorting through the myriad of issues that this pandemic has visited upon myself, my loved ones, my community, my state, my nation and my species. It's still relatively early days in what looks like being a protracted experience. There's some aspects of the situation that seem fairly conclusive i.e. the virus being predominately airborne, quite contagious and of higher risk to those with pre-existing medical conditions and those who are elders. There are other aspects which seem to be open for debate due to the need for more evidence over longer periods of time. It seems logical that there will be a variety of perspectives in these circumstances and I'd be looking to engage in respectful and constructive discourse so as to both learn and assist others......feeling "sorry" for others based upon differing views seems pretty condescending to me - coming from a presumed superior position in circumstances where a lot of solid fact is yet to be determined doesn't work for mine.
Goofy4, totally understand you'd interpret what I said in that way. But it wasn't intended to give that meaning - I wasn't trying to say that I feel sorry for people who don't have the same opinion as me. Was more like trying to say the opposite.
btw that aids article isn't funny either. Nor does it add to meaningful debate. It just distracts from genuine issues society is currently facing and grappling with.
Edit: I pressed the comment button and then saw Ben's post. Yes not funny or appropriate. Even less funny or appropriate than bagging loose units in our society (in this covid context). Also dangerous since it might actually send someone down into a dark conspiracy theory rabbit hole out of which they may never resurface. Even more dangerous in that it could cause genuine mental and physical problems in someone by inducing stress, anxiety and lack of sleep etc if one was to start worrying about if they actually did have aids.
(But this is just my opinion.)
thermalben wrote:shortenism wrote:COVID Vaccines cause AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome). Don't shoot the messenger.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/13/the-covid-19-vaccines-cause-aids/?fbcl...
And herein lies the problem.
It takes a very short amount of time to fabricate and publish any kind of wild theory, which is then in turn easily promoted by those people with an agenda.
It takes an expotentially larger amount of time to disprove this theory.
All the while, it's spreading virally by those who use get-out-of-jail-free cards like "don't shoot the messenger".
9, 10, 7, ABC do it all day every day so don't think its fair to put this 'lack of responsibility' for content argument squarely on me Thermal... And I can hear 'but they regurgitate from trusted sources'.. I rest my case.
gsco wrote:Edit: I pressed the comment button and then saw Ben's post. Yes not funny or appropriate. Even less funny or appropriate than bagging loose units in our society (in this covid context).
Out of interest, on a scale of one to ten, how do you classify someone as a 'loose unit'?
At what point can they be bagged, and at what point do you stop, and start feeling sorry for 'em?
My point is: some people clearly look like they're unhinged. But, the most dangerous people are those who don't.
shortenism wrote:9, 10, 7, ABC do it all day every day so don't think its fair to put this 'lack of responsibility' for content argument squarely on me Thermal... And I can hear 'but they regurgitate from trusted sources'.. I rest my case.
"I rest my case"?
Jobs,Jobs,Jobs not Jabs.
Getting Down to the nitty gritty.
"We have nothing to loose with the absolute peanuts in government now.
I couldn't care less if Clive gets a few more billions from it.
I have been pushed too far personally and financially from the last two years from this bullshit and i know i'm not alone.
Labour or Liberal will NEVER get my vote again."
We're gonna be a white minority
We won't listen to the majority
We're gonna feel inferiority
We're gonna be white minority
What I see is a lot of people upset over losing some privileges feeling like second class citizens and becoming a Minority for the time being .I hope after all this blows over and it will is some remembering how it felt to be treated like that and being more aware of others that have been less fortunate before all this even started.
thermalben wrote:gsco wrote:Edit: I pressed the comment button and then saw Ben's post. Yes not funny or appropriate. Even less funny or appropriate than bagging loose units in our society (in this covid context).
Out of interest, on a scale of one to ten, how do you classify someone as a 'loose unit'?
At what point can they be bagged, and at what point do you stop, and start feeling sorry for 'em?
My point is: some people clearly look like they're unhinged. But, the most dangerous people are those who don't.
By far the most dangerous people in this entire situation have been those in leadership positions.
How many anonymous internet comments are the equivalent of the Canadian Prime Minister saying the unvaccinated are misogynistic and racist and questioning how long the society he runs should “tolerate “ them ? He’s just given an entire nation the green light to discriminate and incite hatred against a subset of the population.
Who’d have been surprised if some unhinged weirdo started knocking off people they suspected were unvaccinated in order to follow Trudeau’s lead and cease tolerating these people? I wouldn’t have been. The worst is that it’s not just a political slur against people, it’s a smear he’s crouched as public safety and this inspires the weirdos who have already gone down the “ Covid is Black Death” conspiracy rabbit hole to get ultra weird.
Not to mention the whole gaslight narrative about how much of a threat covid was to the general population in the first place. The fear mongering was debilitating, destabilising and destructive to individuals and society and it was never justified. All perpetrated by political leadership and all far more insidious and dangerous than anything any internet opinion ever wrought.
"Bonza, should I address the argument Shortenism has provided, and 'do my own research' as to whether Covid vaccines cause AIDS? I've got a busy arvo, and would prefer not to waste time on frivolous claims."
if it was me then nahh i mostly (try ) avoid such claims. its clear to most what that was. short has form and has been challenged and abused endlessly on here on many claims so pretty clear his position on things. I am more concerned with those on the other side who ridicule and dismiss when someone like short says something of substance. some continually lecture the "antis" on 'science and evidence' and so when it is presented its important to acknowledge it. given the times I think that's dangerous as it potentially alienates more people.
think it leads to better conversations as well.
doesn't matter who says it. i try and do it. not always successfully.
We are all in this, um…..together?
Gotta laugh or you’ll cry….
“INGLEWOOD, CA—A who's who of LA elite, many of whom have been vocal advocates of mask mandates, appeared to be huge hypocrites on Sunday as they cheered on the Rams at Super Bowl LVI while maskless. However, they were quick to assure everyone that they had been wearing high-tech invisible masks only rich people know about.
"No, we were totally wearing masks! They're just... um, invisible. They use... um, top-secret invisibility technology only rich people know about," explained Lebron James to a tearful child who has never known a life without masks.
Lebron James, crypto-miner Matt Damon, and director Ben Affleck were just a few of the celebrities who had access to the invisible masks. Damon, who previously starred in Elysium, a film about a ruling class who doesn't share their life-saving medical equipment, was reportedly oblivious to the irony.
"Now don't forget to mask up and get vaccinated! We're all in this together," chimed in a laughing J.Lo, also wearing a high-tech invisible mask.
When asked if the invisible masks will be made available to common people, Jennifer Lopez became offended. "I put on my diamond-studded pants the same as everyone else, one leg at a time!"
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti was also in attendance and appeared to be unmasked but confirmed he didn't need a high-tech one as he can hold his breath for over four hours.“
thermalben wrote:Supafreak wrote:I think shortenism is just taking the piss with this post , extreme conspiracy and low credibility on the media bias fact check rating . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-expose
OK, so if Shortenism's post was for the lols, then how are we to determine what posts are genuine, and which are just having a larf?
bonza wrote:I guess the counter argument to that is if one chooses to engage.. but then simply dismisses the poster / protester as a nutter without addressing the argument when a solid one is put forth (e.g. mandates) then one risks alienating the sympathisers and ultimately perversely undermining ones argument "to trust the science" far better then any 5G chemtrail (insert conspiracy of choice here) nutter could.
Bonza, should I address the argument Shortenism has provided, and 'do my own research' as to whether Covid vaccines cause AIDS? I've got a busy arvo, and would prefer not to waste time on frivolous claims.
gsco wrote:I no longer see the funny side of ridiculing those poor people who have gone so far down the far right conspiracy theory rabbit hole (or whatever you want to label it as) that they are now well beyond saving.
This seems to be a reflection of the US neoliberal capitalist attitude of thinking something along the lines of "as long as I'm in a well off and privileged position in life, not only do I not give a flying fuck about disadvantaged and marginalised people but I'm also going to ridicule and hammer them into the ground even further..."
I genuinely feel sorry for them.
Curious on how gsco's theory applies in this case.
Your post is the reason why I keep coming back to this thread. So much rich material for social analysis. You are highlighting some critical issues that are very hard to answer.
Also, I would be curious as to the % of visitors who visit this thread out of the total number of Swellnet visitors. I reckon it's a very small %. I have a hypothesis that most of the population doesn't give a shit about the stuff being discussed in these forums (or at least they are not giving it big importance).
I am personally experiencing x 2 Australias:
1) Online Australia - aggressive, intolerant, dominated by an army of twitter addicts and extreme populism
2) Real World Australia - much more peaceful, a place to have good debates, can have dinner with people who hold different opinions etc...
I am really interested in exploring the ratio of people who predominantly spend time in each category.
Speaking of low credibility , roaddill said “ nice try...I'm guessing he will try and run with the out you used. The village idiots looking out for each other. “ …………sounds like you have some sort of conspiracy going there roaddill .
thermalben wrote:Out of interest, on a scale of one to ten, how do you classify someone as a 'loose unit'?
At what point can they be bagged, and at what point do you stop, and start feeling sorry for 'em?
My point is: some people clearly look like they're unhinged. But, the most dangerous people are those who don't.
Let me clarify what I mean, and yes I haven't said it well at all.
I don't care about bagging people. I agree it's a birthright. And I think it's super funny. Including when people bag me (and Roadkill has done some good ones, keep 'em up). I can be a quite unhinged sometimes too. And I bag people all the time myself.
What I didn't agree with above was people cherry picking the most extreme unhinged loose units from the protests and trying to make it look like everyone in the protests were like this. It's just not true.
I might be wrong, but I was actually trying to get at with the above posts on bagging people, the point I was trying to make, was it appeared at times that certain people have posted pics and/or videos of these extreme loose units under the guise of "just trying to be funny" or "just trying to bag them" but really they seemed to be indirectly joining in the "debate" but doing it "in disguise" by pretending that they weren't.
What I really don't agree with is the style of debate and discourse everywhere in society now - in politics, social media, news media, this thread, etc. Social media has magnified it beyond extreme and seemingly beyond repair.
It's not a lot of sensible, meaningful debate that we're seeing going on around us in politics or life, or in this thread.
It's all just selective cherry picking, ignoring alternative evidence, taking things and comments out of context, personal attacking and discrediting and undermining, ganging up, discrediting and defaming the source (and not even reading it), not playing the ball, diversions and distractions, misdirection, shifting the topic, fear mongering, ignoring core arguments people are trying to make, twisting people's arguments into something they are not actually trying to argue, presenting obviously dishonest content and fabrication and lies, trying to cancel and censor people, personal abuse and attacking, etc.
People just start with a political and/or ideological bias or extreme stance on something and just use any warfare-like tactics of misinformation, propaganda and deception etc to prove and reinforce their bias or ideology. I see people doing this day in day out in this thread, in politics, the media, workplaces, in the home, everywhere. It's kind of all people do on social media. The ABC is as bad as anyone for doing this. The people handling the covid decision making for our society seem to be among the worst for this too.
Actually my online workplace has been torn apart from it. it started with the Trump division and then morphed into covid. People have had to resign due to the division and polarisation. Some of my circles of friends have been separated. And people regularly mention families have been torn apart.
The Trump and now covid division, polarisation and politicisation has devoured society. We seem to be lost in it with no let up in sight. Where will the division and polarisation end? Often it seems that the covid polarisation actually is just Trump polarisation. It's nearly fair to say that US politics has spilled over and ruined Australian society.
Yes, totally accuse me of being a naive simpleton who came down in the last rain shower, and say something like "what are you on about mate, that's just how life and particularly politics is and always has been, wake up." I'll 100% agree with that one. It's true.
I agree with your point though. The most dangerous people are those who are well educated, well articulated, even inspirational and charismatic, etc, but who are deceptive and pushing extreme agendas.
Great post gsco, I agree wholeheartedly.
flollo wrote:Also, I would be curious as to the % of visitors who visit this thread out of the total number of Swellnet visitors. I reckon it's a very small %.
Spot on.
flollo wrote:I have a hypothesis that most of the population doesn't give a shit about the stuff being discussed in these forums (or at least they are not giving it big importance).
I am personally experiencing x 2 Australias:
1) Online Australia - aggressive, intolerant, dominated by an army of twitter addicts and extreme populism
2) Real World Australia - much more peaceful, a place to have good debates, can have dinner with people who hold different opinions etc...
Yep, agreed.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia